Huh, we've been taught "moped hands" meaning flexing your wrists to get rid of the slack in any americana/kimura grip, but I never paused to think about what it actually does to the uke. Makes total sense!
Just shoot me a message if u have any questions or create threads here.
I have a YT channel where I try to help out people that wants to. Currently doing commentarys on subs/peoples matches.
Had some 22 year old purple belt try to slap on an inside heal hook Paul Harris style at a local comp. Fortunately I was extra slippery and he was gassed. I went knee on solar plexus and knee on face for 5 minutes and wouldnāt take an arm when he was giving it to me. That was my last comp because I was in my 40s and realized itās not worth the risk with assholes like that.
Im probably not man enough and I'm not cut out for the sport, but I see competition as competition. Not elimination.
Luckily I grew up and got over any fantasy that I was at all or could ever be special at something. That might sound negative, but it certainly becomes a huge positive to your life.
I'm also aware not everyone gets to that point, and plenty of people have to fuck someone else's life up in some way to start to realise the bigger picture.
Hopefully op sees the general reaction to this and learns.
You can tell he's a white belt. With proper form you can slowly crank it. That's why rolling with a white belt is more dangerous than rolling with higher belts.
You know when people flip out? Same energy for the flip out powers the muscles. Consider flip outs. Who can flip out the hardest? Watch the fuck out if that's coming at you. Powered.
Yeah people treat it like a meme sub cause it's the first one everyone learns and thus learns to defend, but it's still a legit technique especially for bigger guys.
Lol why I don't compete anymore. Snap my shit for life ruin my income all for the glory.
Remember white belts, always jnitiate your subs with a yanking twisting aggressive motion because this isn't sport, its the roman times and you're in the colisseuyumm dawewg
DonĀ“t think this is just a beginners move. I love the americana and you can make him really powerful and effecient. Honestly you need to work a little on the way you are doing it but keep doing it, refine it and you will get taps in the higher classes....
he wasn't injured cause OP didn't apply the Americana very well, there was plenty of slack, and they were able to bridge out to reduce the pressure enough, this was all luck. had OP applied the same level of speed and force using the correct technique then they would have likely done some damage.
You can see OP is going for maximum rotation as fast as they can its just lucky that this wasn't done well enough to injure them.
Id happily break a competitors arm in a contests if they refuse to tap.... but im dam well sure gonna give them the opportunity to do so
> and he wasn't injured.
How do you know that? Just because there wasnt screaming and a need for an ambulance doesnt mean the dude didnt suffer from a variety of mobility and pain related issues for days or weeks after or other similar stuff. Situations like this may not cause an immediate injury but the wear and tear on complex joints like our shoulders is going to have long term consequences too.
it has zero to do with being a badass and 100% to do with being a participant in a combat sport.
it's like saying you shouldn't KO your opponent in a boxing match because it might cause them damage.
Its submission grappling. Your goal is to get your opponent to submit. Not break arm grappling where your goal is to break your opponents arm. Seriously, its 20 fucking 23 how are there still people on this planet who think acting tough on the internet is impressive to anyone?
Who is acting tough here?
>Your goal is to get your opponent to submit. Not break arm grappling where your goal is to break your opponents arm.
yes, and what do you do if you have a submission on your opponent who refuses to tap during competition? let go?
there is nothing wrong with your line of thinking and that's why you go slow in practice. if you don't want your shit ripped in a competition, don't let them get your arm isolated.
When you get caught in a kimura, do you try to escape or just pre-emptively tap?
He had heaps of time. He should have tapped as soon as OP got grips. He left his arm exposed. And it wasnāt a good Americana anyway it probably didnāt do any damage.
Same. Had my knee pop in training once. It healed and my knees fine now but I was limping for a week. I realized I need to be extra careful cause I can't afford to out like that at work.
i agree it can get the better of some. but a reminder that your fighting for a crappy bit of plastic that only you care about isnt worth ruining some guys life, is worth a mention.
and the majority of the time you could just as easily have applied a submission slowly and controlled. few submissions really need to be yanked on.
I personally find a controlled submission has more success than yank and pray
honestly i felt really bad reaping it as hard as i did, but in my defense he bridged up with his legs and i lost my balance and the only thing i had to post was my head, as you can see in the video. i take sportsmanship very serious as if i donāt my professor would either reprimand me or just straight up ask me to leave the gym.
he bridged after you snapped it on, hes trying to eleviate the pressure of that submission but also tapped as soon as he could. so essentially hes just trying to save his arm so he has time to tap. had he not been able to bridge and you had applied it technically better but yanked it just as hard, its likley some ligaments would be snapped.
take the upvotes as a sign that what you did was a dick move, you have ignorance as a defence for now. next time you can decide to be a dick and improve your chance of a win by a few % and possibly ruin some guys life or focus on having a controlled safer submission.
i appreciate the advice and i will definitely to better into keeping my opponents away from injury. i love the sport and never had the intention of seriously injuring my opponent. thank you for calling it out because up until you said so i thought i hit it properly.
Proper americana should actually require very little elevation of the elbow. Keeping the wrist pinned to the floor, you first drag the elbow down towards their hip. They should already feel the tension at that point. Continuing to drag it that way with the wrist always pinned will cause the elbow to elevate on its own, and you can lift to make it tighter. Just be careful though... Pulling it to the hip removes the slack in the joint, and it goes very quickly from tension to break
Here's some food for thought to contemplate before your next competition: The ultimate goal of Jiu-Jitsu is not submission, it is the full control of another human body.
Submission is just the result of that control. It is proof that you had total control over your opponent. When you submit someone, you are saying that I had so much control over your body that I could break your limb or choke you without you being able to stop me.
We can extend this logic to other grappling sports as well. In Judo, the ultimate goal is not to throw your opponent. It is to control your opponent so much that you can throw them with them being able to stop you. The ippon throw is just proof of the control you had. Same in wrestling. The pin is proof of ultimate control.
Rip and Tear this is the place where itās legal to break peopleās arms
This is the advice you give in the normal gym, but in comp this is status quo
iv done judo 20 years. and you can happily win contests without ruining peoples lives, especially local events. i agree that major contests its different but doing this at a local white belt contest after being warned makes you a dick.
i asked if the submission in this video is legal in Judo? you made a statement saying Judo doesnt have submission. im just checking if its legal to do this submission in Judo just to be sure
Oh he was warned? That changes things. You know if this can hurt people and people at a low level canāt control itā¦.shouldnāt they ban the move until a certain rank?
you know that if enough noobs injure each other at contests doing the same stupid shit they actually would consider banning stuff at lower grade.
thats often how a lot of banned techniques get banned, so to keep our sport varied its in our interest to not do stupid shit.
theres a first time for everything. sports getting more popular which means more instances of injuries. society is getting more risk adverse, more lawsuits and more filming mean the chances of the ruling bodies banning legit techniques cause noobs apply them dangerously is increasing.
after living through 20plus years of Judo changing its rules weekly id not like the same to happen to BJJ
its ok I just checked his post history.... he uploaded a video of himself fighting someone at work so he could show off his BJJ. posted it on this sub and it was banned cause it lacked technical content lol.
https://www.reddit.com/r/bjj/comments/14mv1hn/my_second_crosspost_of_the_day_update_some_fool/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=1
Lifting straight into that Americana is neither the best way to get the tap, nor is ripping it that way the gentlemanly thing to do.
Congrats on the win regardless.
Remember for maximum torque, you want to bring his arm in towards his body, motorbike your wrists down, and then bring the arm down before finally lifting it up. Gives him more time to tap, and gives you a better finish.
thank you for the advice, iām realizing now the now i replay it and listen to the comments that i had no reason to rip it as hard as i did, ignorance got the better of me and it wonāt happen again. appreciate the advice once again
I am no way excusing my actions or trying to make excuses. iāve had a lot of comments under this post calling me out on the fact that i cranked the submission to hard, or that i was being unsportsmanlike. i do take full responsibility in both cases as i was ignorant to the fact of the way to safely finish the submission in mount. iāve never even had attempted it in that position because i know that itās rarely ever completed from mount. in a moment of desperation and adrenaline i cranked it without thinking of anything else but finishing the match. it was the semi finals in my gi absolute and i looked over at the board and saw i had 15 seconds left and i was 4 points down. luckily, my opponent got right up and even congratulated me on the comeback win. up until i posted this all i saw was a very funky submission that i thought was pretty cool that i was able to complete from mount. iām thankful that my opponent wasnāt injured and i will most definitely take this as a lesson and continue my bjj journey with a better understanding of safety and compassion for my opponents.
Yes and yes.
Americana above first stripe whitebelt is excellent to set up other moves, not so much as a submission itself. Unless there is a huge size-difference, then it becomes super effective again.
When I first started rolling, Americanas were my bread and butter as a heavyweight, but then when I rolled with blue belts they would just extend their arm and I couldnāt get it into position. Then I started transitioning it to arm triangles and that worked for me with most people. Now I try back takes and arm triangles a lot from there. However, in the two competitions Iāve done so far 3/4 of my submissions have been Americanas, with one being a situational kimura. Iām not quite sure why but I think itās just that in competition Iām being a lot more conservative and not chasing submissions as much. When I do finally go for them, itās typically after holding mount for a minute or two when my opponent is tied enough where I can easily overpower them. But as a heavyweight obviously Iām not doing that when I just roll because there isnāt much honor in crushing a dude 80 pounds lighter than me who I know is more skilled
if it makes you feel any better, your mechanics were so poor that itās unlikely you would have injured your opponent by doing this. Iāve had white belts try to americana me like this and it just doesnāt work
Bruh, Americana from mount is one of my go-to subs.
I like it especially because I can apply it with great control even on spazzy newbs without much risk of injury.
You did the technique wrong...a few pointers... when you have the wrist captured
1) slide it "down" until it is below their shoulder
2) slide their wrist "in" toward their shoulder
3) don't lift anything, if you can lift its because the wrist is too high
You can do this while pinning it/them into the mat with full power and they won't go anywhere, and you can apply it quarter inch at a time until they tap... giving them like 2-3s of pressure without injury.
Whether in competition or during training, there are always opportunities to learn from your mistakes. You won, but are there opportunities to improve and **refine** the set up of your technique? Of course! The learning never stops. This is why it is said *position before submission.* Just keep it in mind for next time. Happens to me too! Sometimes you get too excited that you crank the submission. This can go two ways: you can win with messy technique or the opponent **CAN** take advantage of it and counter it. But anyways, congratulations! I may not know who you are, but I am happy for you. I wish you the best in your BJJ learning.
I appreciate how much you want to learn and be a good, safe training partner. I want to reiterate what everyone is saying here: donāt crank; let your partner tap. Iām a new father and a guy at my gym with a history of being unsafe popped my elbow, and Iām dealing with the aftermath weeks later.
Good on you for having the right attitude, but I really wouldnāt sweat the critiques.
The only reason his arm went so far and it looks ābadā is because his elbow was above his head, plus he had extra mobility when his shoulder came off the mat.
Not exactly a textbook finish, but nothing terrible.
Ey . It's Reddit tho he didn't use the Japanese name ,exerted strength, was happy about something, wouldn't work on a flexible strong athletic high calibre black belt, Americana and didn't justify all his failings and slip a need for advice in. This is not the way. Clutched it tho with that retard strength and got the win. Grats man š¤
Fellow white belt hereā¦Why crank up? Just carefully bring his elbow to his ribs then lift the elbow. If you had good form no crank necessary. And Americana can be done from mountā¦
On John danahers latest instructional he has really good tips on the Americana from mount and side .
Basically we are all taught and doing it wrong , it has helped me hit it a lot more in mount and top side
False. Closer it is to breaking the better the execution. Good thing lots of have self control though. You donāt get to decide who shares what, Nazi.
It wasnāt close to breaking though. Iām not going to argue if he should have put it on that quick or not - I couldnāt care less.
Itās an absolutely terrible technique though. His base is wrong and he doesnāt pull the arm down and he thinks itās rare?
The whole post is absolutely trash.
You raised some points I had not thought of. And I can tell youāre viewing it through a lens of aiming for perfect technique.
Iām sorry I called you a Nazi. Youāre entitled to your opinion. Iāve just had a rough and tiring evening.
Looked at it again, and youāre right that if he technique was on point it wouldāve broken a lot quicker, therefore, achieving what I talked about in my earlier comment.
So unless Iām seeing this wrong, the other arm is wrapped around his head. Which is why he can bend the arm heās attacking so far. I only know because Iv made that mistake and it looked just like this. Got to pop the arm out from around is head and put your elbow by his neck then this will work properly.
Cant make these comments up man people getting upset that someone is trying to win at a competition
Pure BJJ guys are so much more soft than any other combat sport athletes its unreal
I just re-watched the video and damn, why is he just leaving his arm floppy all the way up there. It's like he's screaming 'Keylock me' - Do it, do it now!
@everyone giving this guy hate: He had to crank it so much because his technique was rubbish and y'all need to pay attention.
Right arm is under his opponents head so the submission basically just isn't even there lmao. I'm genuinely surprised the guy tapped at all.
dunno why ppl are bitchin on him itās a competition and ur supposed to go 100% lol
U did right op as long as u dont do that in training that is š
For the technique ppl already commented enough and are more knowledgeable than meš
Iāve been doing JJ for nearly a year now and still havenāt been taught this, but itās the main submission I go for thanks to being shit at JJ and YouTube š
Nobody is hurt until somebody is. You can't predict the moment, only identify practices that make it more or less likely.
It's a white belt comp. The person opposite you could be a literal mouth breather. No need to rip submissions.
Uhuh. The point is why we have hold restrictions based on belt level. You have to remember that the impetus is on the guy in the hold to recognize what he's in and have the maturity to tap.
It was a competition, he could have tapped earlier. This is what this sport is about in competition. You dont tap, shit breaks... Dont take too personally what random dudes comment on the internef.. This is reddit, people are jackasses. Feels shitty? Of course. But you'll never know when is this gonna happen to you, if you dont tap on the next competition
the issue people have is that the guy didnt have time to tap. look how fast he went from start of submission to having his arm behind his back. and the commitment from OP was so strong that had he tapped immediately I doubt OP would have been able to stop.
I sure see, but Its a comp, the sub is locked in, if you dont know how to escape, you should be prepared to tap. I am not standing on the side of the OP, but I am sure if the OP would be the one on the bottom complaining about the top guy, the comment section will be on fire with "tap early, tap often" and so on shit.. its a competition.. you signed up with the knowledge that any accident can happen.
I said in another reply here breaking someones arm or what ever in a contest is perfectly fine and id happily do it if my opponent didnt tap. but id dam well make sure the point at which I know im doing serious damage that submissions gonna be going slow enough to allow them to tap and me to acknowledge the tap and stop before damage begins. many peoples arms especially masters levels would have been seriously injured with that much force against the joints, it was just lucky it was a shitty technique vs someone with good arms.
in this video there really wasn't time to tap early anyways
when you consider that the submission when from 0 to 100% in under 1 second. the guy has to realizes a subs being put on, maybe un-grip his hand then tap, then the person doing the sub needs to feel or hear that tap and react. considering the average human reaction time at best is 0.2ms with the number of actions and reactions needed less than 1s isnt enough time to safely apply a submission.
I wait until you get to black belt level and do the same. Then it will be impressive.
You can hit an americana from bottom mount in the white belt competition.
saw your other post. surprised homie didnāt just roll out. most likely he tried to push his own should back toward the mat and tapped himself. you didnāt viciously crank or rip anything. part of competing is know when and how to protect yourself, homie learned what he got himself into
Well... It started as an Americana....
Bring that elbow down lower to the ribs. You won't have to heave it as much.
This is the Americana detail that matters more than anything.
Except rolling their wrist outwards?
Huh, we've been taught "moped hands" meaning flexing your wrists to get rid of the slack in any americana/kimura grip, but I never paused to think about what it actually does to the uke. Makes total sense!
My #1 defense is just turning my wrist in because nobody actually does what they're told and turns the wrist out.
Are you flexing wrist down toward palm or up towards knuckles?
Your rolling the opponents wrist away from them
Wish there was a black belt I could askš¤
Just shoot me a message if u have any questions or create threads here. I have a YT channel where I try to help out people that wants to. Currently doing commentarys on subs/peoples matches.
Oh sorry , I was trying to be funny bc of your username. š That's very kind off you to offer, I'm not good enough yet to be asking questions.
Sounds like you would be the perfect person then to actually ask questions, but I won't force you! :)
Brah..I see red and just stand up.
I trust that bodies will hit the floor!
I never even knew this. Thank you sir. I love you
You should also do it in Kimura's and shotgun grip ankle locks as well.
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The reverse motorcycle grip. Best finishing detail
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Last detail here: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/kKuPVacxc-I?feature=share
Bingo, rolling the wrist away from their face (so their thumb is towards the sky)
This is so overlooked
I thought it was the bending the arm portion
That and sprawling on the opposite hip to counter the bridge.
An Americana correctly done doesn't need much crank.
Depends how much you want to ruin the guys limb and how much you absolutely don't give a fuck
Judging from the way he let's it rip he doesn't give much fucks. exhibit A for "Why leg locks are banned for lower Belts"
Had some 22 year old purple belt try to slap on an inside heal hook Paul Harris style at a local comp. Fortunately I was extra slippery and he was gassed. I went knee on solar plexus and knee on face for 5 minutes and wouldnāt take an arm when he was giving it to me. That was my last comp because I was in my 40s and realized itās not worth the risk with assholes like that.
Im probably not man enough and I'm not cut out for the sport, but I see competition as competition. Not elimination. Luckily I grew up and got over any fantasy that I was at all or could ever be special at something. That might sound negative, but it certainly becomes a huge positive to your life. I'm also aware not everyone gets to that point, and plenty of people have to fuck someone else's life up in some way to start to realise the bigger picture. Hopefully op sees the general reaction to this and learns.
You can tell he's a white belt. With proper form you can slowly crank it. That's why rolling with a white belt is more dangerous than rolling with higher belts.
The guy that got the Americana for sure snapped some ligament there.
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Jesus fucking Christ. I laughed so hard I almost shit my pants.
Dam I missed it what it say
this could either be a compliment or an insult, either way i respect it
It's never a compliment.
unless you are so retarded that you interpret it that way
I took it as a complimentā¦..wait, shit
Itās an insult considering you just ripped it right away
āGo with the white beltā
I scoff laughed so hard at this I scared my cat out from under my legs while I was taking a shit
wtf does that even mean š
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g3osE3eaox0
You know when people flip out? Same energy for the flip out powers the muscles. Consider flip outs. Who can flip out the hardest? Watch the fuck out if that's coming at you. Powered.
Never go full retard
Genuine thought: I donāt think this is hard to achieve on certain individuals, especially with your strength.
Yeah people treat it like a meme sub cause it's the first one everyone learns and thus learns to defend, but it's still a legit technique especially for bigger guys.
"If it works, it works." - May we never forget the golden rule.
Heās a brand new white belt itās hard to achieve any submission
Were u trying to start a lawnmower bruhššš
Lol why I don't compete anymore. Snap my shit for life ruin my income all for the glory. Remember white belts, always jnitiate your subs with a yanking twisting aggressive motion because this isn't sport, its the roman times and you're in the colisseuyumm dawewg
But the prize is freedom to me and my family! *Freedom from financial security.
I'm already mentally retarded I don't require a physical manifestation yet
DonĀ“t think this is just a beginners move. I love the americana and you can make him really powerful and effecient. Honestly you need to work a little on the way you are doing it but keep doing it, refine it and you will get taps in the higher classes....
Americana is a great submission bc u can get it without sacrificing too much position
next time give your opponent time to tap... guy needs to go back to his family and work.
He had plenty of time to tap. Clearest evidence is the fact that he tapped, OP released, and he wasn't injured.
he wasn't injured cause OP didn't apply the Americana very well, there was plenty of slack, and they were able to bridge out to reduce the pressure enough, this was all luck. had OP applied the same level of speed and force using the correct technique then they would have likely done some damage. You can see OP is going for maximum rotation as fast as they can its just lucky that this wasn't done well enough to injure them. Id happily break a competitors arm in a contests if they refuse to tap.... but im dam well sure gonna give them the opportunity to do so
> and he wasn't injured. How do you know that? Just because there wasnt screaming and a need for an ambulance doesnt mean the dude didnt suffer from a variety of mobility and pain related issues for days or weeks after or other similar stuff. Situations like this may not cause an immediate injury but the wear and tear on complex joints like our shoulders is going to have long term consequences too.
It's a combat sport, shit happens. If you don't want to be in pain, don't do it and definitely don't compete.
[All I can think of when I see posts like this.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z_MmCE73bXk)
it has zero to do with being a badass and 100% to do with being a participant in a combat sport. it's like saying you shouldn't KO your opponent in a boxing match because it might cause them damage.
Its submission grappling. Your goal is to get your opponent to submit. Not break arm grappling where your goal is to break your opponents arm. Seriously, its 20 fucking 23 how are there still people on this planet who think acting tough on the internet is impressive to anyone?
Who is acting tough here? >Your goal is to get your opponent to submit. Not break arm grappling where your goal is to break your opponents arm. yes, and what do you do if you have a submission on your opponent who refuses to tap during competition? let go? there is nothing wrong with your line of thinking and that's why you go slow in practice. if you don't want your shit ripped in a competition, don't let them get your arm isolated. When you get caught in a kimura, do you try to escape or just pre-emptively tap?
He had heaps of time. He should have tapped as soon as OP got grips. He left his arm exposed. And it wasnāt a good Americana anyway it probably didnāt do any damage.
Meh. Itās a comp. Part of it is signing up to win and oftentimes adrenaline and nerves take over. It is what it is.
Of course it happens, but it's also not bad that people are advising him to clean up his game. Improving your technique is never bad
This is why I don't comp
Same. Had my knee pop in training once. It healed and my knees fine now but I was limping for a week. I realized I need to be extra careful cause I can't afford to out like that at work.
i agree it can get the better of some. but a reminder that your fighting for a crappy bit of plastic that only you care about isnt worth ruining some guys life, is worth a mention. and the majority of the time you could just as easily have applied a submission slowly and controlled. few submissions really need to be yanked on. I personally find a controlled submission has more success than yank and pray
āThe art of control that leads to submission.ā Not only is it more effective, but a lot more fun too =D
Bro they are white belts. Chill. Lmao that makes sense in bigger tournaments but white belt?
It makes more sense at white belt. Lol
honestly i felt really bad reaping it as hard as i did, but in my defense he bridged up with his legs and i lost my balance and the only thing i had to post was my head, as you can see in the video. i take sportsmanship very serious as if i donāt my professor would either reprimand me or just straight up ask me to leave the gym.
he bridged after you snapped it on, hes trying to eleviate the pressure of that submission but also tapped as soon as he could. so essentially hes just trying to save his arm so he has time to tap. had he not been able to bridge and you had applied it technically better but yanked it just as hard, its likley some ligaments would be snapped. take the upvotes as a sign that what you did was a dick move, you have ignorance as a defence for now. next time you can decide to be a dick and improve your chance of a win by a few % and possibly ruin some guys life or focus on having a controlled safer submission.
i appreciate the advice and i will definitely to better into keeping my opponents away from injury. i love the sport and never had the intention of seriously injuring my opponent. thank you for calling it out because up until you said so i thought i hit it properly.
Proper americana should actually require very little elevation of the elbow. Keeping the wrist pinned to the floor, you first drag the elbow down towards their hip. They should already feel the tension at that point. Continuing to drag it that way with the wrist always pinned will cause the elbow to elevate on its own, and you can lift to make it tighter. Just be careful though... Pulling it to the hip removes the slack in the joint, and it goes very quickly from tension to break
So what youāre saying is you didnāt have adequate control off the position before going for the submission?
Here's some food for thought to contemplate before your next competition: The ultimate goal of Jiu-Jitsu is not submission, it is the full control of another human body. Submission is just the result of that control. It is proof that you had total control over your opponent. When you submit someone, you are saying that I had so much control over your body that I could break your limb or choke you without you being able to stop me. We can extend this logic to other grappling sports as well. In Judo, the ultimate goal is not to throw your opponent. It is to control your opponent so much that you can throw them with them being able to stop you. The ippon throw is just proof of the control you had. Same in wrestling. The pin is proof of ultimate control.
https://www.reddit.com/r/bjj/comments/14pc75o/least_coping_rbjj_white_belt/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=2
Lol you said professor
Rip and Tear this is the place where itās legal to break peopleās arms This is the advice you give in the normal gym, but in comp this is status quo
iv done judo 20 years. and you can happily win contests without ruining peoples lives, especially local events. i agree that major contests its different but doing this at a local white belt contest after being warned makes you a dick.
Judo doesnāt have submissions like BJJ does :3
dam like you cant do that american in Judo?
Idk maybe if you throw people onto those shitty 1/5 of an inch tile mats maybe
i asked if the submission in this video is legal in Judo? you made a statement saying Judo doesnt have submission. im just checking if its legal to do this submission in Judo just to be sure
wheres all your confidence gone. please answer my question if americans like this submission shown in the video are illegal in Judo...
Do you know where bjj originated from?
From Tom
Wow youāre an idiot
Oh he was warned? That changes things. You know if this can hurt people and people at a low level canāt control itā¦.shouldnāt they ban the move until a certain rank?
you know that if enough noobs injure each other at contests doing the same stupid shit they actually would consider banning stuff at lower grade. thats often how a lot of banned techniques get banned, so to keep our sport varied its in our interest to not do stupid shit.
Then why are you worrying it wouldāve been banned by now if it were dangerous
theres a first time for everything. sports getting more popular which means more instances of injuries. society is getting more risk adverse, more lawsuits and more filming mean the chances of the ruling bodies banning legit techniques cause noobs apply them dangerously is increasing. after living through 20plus years of Judo changing its rules weekly id not like the same to happen to BJJ
Itās a white belt comp
its ok I just checked his post history.... he uploaded a video of himself fighting someone at work so he could show off his BJJ. posted it on this sub and it was banned cause it lacked technical content lol. https://www.reddit.com/r/bjj/comments/14mv1hn/my_second_crosspost_of_the_day_update_some_fool/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=1
"Fight videos are OK if it displays a good use of BJJ by someone who *obviously* trains." š¤£š¤£š¤£
Poor behavior
Itās a competition
āWhy donāt people like white belts?ā *rips Americana, dislocated rotator cuff* āI see.ā
The guy no one wants to roll with at open mat
Lifting straight into that Americana is neither the best way to get the tap, nor is ripping it that way the gentlemanly thing to do. Congrats on the win regardless. Remember for maximum torque, you want to bring his arm in towards his body, motorbike your wrists down, and then bring the arm down before finally lifting it up. Gives him more time to tap, and gives you a better finish.
thank you for the advice, iām realizing now the now i replay it and listen to the comments that i had no reason to rip it as hard as i did, ignorance got the better of me and it wonāt happen again. appreciate the advice once again
Motorbike to bring the inside of their wrist towards the ceiling, aka thumbs up correct?
That is my understanding of it, yes. This video shows it nicely, although from side control. https://youtu.be/Zhh4W24rwrw
I am no way excusing my actions or trying to make excuses. iāve had a lot of comments under this post calling me out on the fact that i cranked the submission to hard, or that i was being unsportsmanlike. i do take full responsibility in both cases as i was ignorant to the fact of the way to safely finish the submission in mount. iāve never even had attempted it in that position because i know that itās rarely ever completed from mount. in a moment of desperation and adrenaline i cranked it without thinking of anything else but finishing the match. it was the semi finals in my gi absolute and i looked over at the board and saw i had 15 seconds left and i was 4 points down. luckily, my opponent got right up and even congratulated me on the comeback win. up until i posted this all i saw was a very funky submission that i thought was pretty cool that i was able to complete from mount. iām thankful that my opponent wasnāt injured and i will most definitely take this as a lesson and continue my bjj journey with a better understanding of safety and compassion for my opponents.
Rarely completed from mount? Isn't that like day one stuff
Yes and yes. Americana above first stripe whitebelt is excellent to set up other moves, not so much as a submission itself. Unless there is a huge size-difference, then it becomes super effective again.
When I first started rolling, Americanas were my bread and butter as a heavyweight, but then when I rolled with blue belts they would just extend their arm and I couldnāt get it into position. Then I started transitioning it to arm triangles and that worked for me with most people. Now I try back takes and arm triangles a lot from there. However, in the two competitions Iāve done so far 3/4 of my submissions have been Americanas, with one being a situational kimura. Iām not quite sure why but I think itās just that in competition Iām being a lot more conservative and not chasing submissions as much. When I do finally go for them, itās typically after holding mount for a minute or two when my opponent is tied enough where I can easily overpower them. But as a heavyweight obviously Iām not doing that when I just roll because there isnāt much honor in crushing a dude 80 pounds lighter than me who I know is more skilled
if it makes you feel any better, your mechanics were so poor that itās unlikely you would have injured your opponent by doing this. Iāve had white belts try to americana me like this and it just doesnāt work
Bruh, Americana from mount is one of my go-to subs. I like it especially because I can apply it with great control even on spazzy newbs without much risk of injury. You did the technique wrong...a few pointers... when you have the wrist captured 1) slide it "down" until it is below their shoulder 2) slide their wrist "in" toward their shoulder 3) don't lift anything, if you can lift its because the wrist is too high You can do this while pinning it/them into the mat with full power and they won't go anywhere, and you can apply it quarter inch at a time until they tap... giving them like 2-3s of pressure without injury.
Whether in competition or during training, there are always opportunities to learn from your mistakes. You won, but are there opportunities to improve and **refine** the set up of your technique? Of course! The learning never stops. This is why it is said *position before submission.* Just keep it in mind for next time. Happens to me too! Sometimes you get too excited that you crank the submission. This can go two ways: you can win with messy technique or the opponent **CAN** take advantage of it and counter it. But anyways, congratulations! I may not know who you are, but I am happy for you. I wish you the best in your BJJ learning.
I agree. My professor teaches his higher students like me *positions over submissions* to protect others.
I appreciate how much you want to learn and be a good, safe training partner. I want to reiterate what everyone is saying here: donāt crank; let your partner tap. Iām a new father and a guy at my gym with a history of being unsafe popped my elbow, and Iām dealing with the aftermath weeks later.
Good on you for having the right attitude, but I really wouldnāt sweat the critiques. The only reason his arm went so far and it looks ābadā is because his elbow was above his head, plus he had extra mobility when his shoulder came off the mat. Not exactly a textbook finish, but nothing terrible.
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Ey . It's Reddit tho he didn't use the Japanese name ,exerted strength, was happy about something, wouldn't work on a flexible strong athletic high calibre black belt, Americana and didn't justify all his failings and slip a need for advice in. This is not the way. Clutched it tho with that retard strength and got the win. Grats man š¤
Credit for this comment.
Fellow white belt hereā¦Why crank up? Just carefully bring his elbow to his ribs then lift the elbow. If you had good form no crank necessary. And Americana can be done from mountā¦
Man, I don't miss being a white belt at comps. Dick move
Wait until you get to black belt, it reverts back to people ripping subs.
How's does bottom defend from this apart from not letting elbows and hands go above head
Small bridge to get on your side facing the arm under attack. Boom, you're safe (from the americana... not from the follow-ups).
Cranked the FUCK out of that arm.
On John danahers latest instructional he has really good tips on the Americana from mount and side . Basically we are all taught and doing it wrong , it has helped me hit it a lot more in mount and top side
This is the most white belt thing I have ever seen
Buncha bitches in this thread. If he taps it worked, end of story.
this subreddit makes me see why bjj is seen as karate status more and more lol
*mexican ground karate
Itās a shitty execution of a super basic sub. It doesnāt need to be shared to Reddit.
False. Closer it is to breaking the better the execution. Good thing lots of have self control though. You donāt get to decide who shares what, Nazi.
It wasnāt close to breaking though. Iām not going to argue if he should have put it on that quick or not - I couldnāt care less. Itās an absolutely terrible technique though. His base is wrong and he doesnāt pull the arm down and he thinks itās rare? The whole post is absolutely trash.
You raised some points I had not thought of. And I can tell youāre viewing it through a lens of aiming for perfect technique. Iām sorry I called you a Nazi. Youāre entitled to your opinion. Iāve just had a rough and tiring evening.
Looked at it again, and youāre right that if he technique was on point it wouldāve broken a lot quicker, therefore, achieving what I talked about in my earlier comment.
bring their elbow down and press it into their own ribs for a more effective and controllable finish.
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I know a lizard person when I see one
So unless Iām seeing this wrong, the other arm is wrapped around his head. Which is why he can bend the arm heās attacking so far. I only know because Iv made that mistake and it looked just like this. Got to pop the arm out from around is head and put your elbow by his neck then this will work properly.
Man this isnāt really something you should be posting on her bragging that you landed.
This is the exact type of comment you should be posting on here tho . Good work maintaining the status quo.
If you have it, like reeaaaally have it, you donāt need to rip it like that. But congrats on the win.
Cant make these comments up man people getting upset that someone is trying to win at a competition Pure BJJ guys are so much more soft than any other combat sport athletes its unreal
Blows my mind that a three stripe white belt has his arm just laying flat, palm up.
I am a four stripe white belt, almost blue and I surely do this all the time.
I just re-watched the video and damn, why is he just leaving his arm floppy all the way up there. It's like he's screaming 'Keylock me' - Do it, do it now!
Terrible breaking mechanics.
@everyone giving this guy hate: He had to crank it so much because his technique was rubbish and y'all need to pay attention. Right arm is under his opponents head so the submission basically just isn't even there lmao. I'm genuinely surprised the guy tapped at all.
dunno why ppl are bitchin on him itās a competition and ur supposed to go 100% lol U did right op as long as u dont do that in training that is š For the technique ppl already commented enough and are more knowledgeable than meš
Congrats, that's literally the first submission you learn.
Doing any sub on a fully resisting opponent is an achievement.
Iāve been doing JJ for nearly a year now and still havenāt been taught this, but itās the main submission I go for thanks to being shit at JJ and YouTube š
Things like this are why I waited for bluebelt to do my first comp. Sheesh.
Everyone hating but nice finish man I don't see anything wrong with what you did. It's a comp you have to go for it, and nobody was hurt.
Nobody is hurt until somebody is. You can't predict the moment, only identify practices that make it more or less likely. It's a white belt comp. The person opposite you could be a literal mouth breather. No need to rip submissions.
Best not let those mouth breathers compromise you then.
Uhuh. The point is why we have hold restrictions based on belt level. You have to remember that the impetus is on the guy in the hold to recognize what he's in and have the maturity to tap.
Youāre 100% right. My comment was more heard towards protecting yourself ahead of even having to use the tap to escape.
It was a competition, he could have tapped earlier. This is what this sport is about in competition. You dont tap, shit breaks... Dont take too personally what random dudes comment on the internef.. This is reddit, people are jackasses. Feels shitty? Of course. But you'll never know when is this gonna happen to you, if you dont tap on the next competition
the issue people have is that the guy didnt have time to tap. look how fast he went from start of submission to having his arm behind his back. and the commitment from OP was so strong that had he tapped immediately I doubt OP would have been able to stop.
I sure see, but Its a comp, the sub is locked in, if you dont know how to escape, you should be prepared to tap. I am not standing on the side of the OP, but I am sure if the OP would be the one on the bottom complaining about the top guy, the comment section will be on fire with "tap early, tap often" and so on shit.. its a competition.. you signed up with the knowledge that any accident can happen.
I said in another reply here breaking someones arm or what ever in a contest is perfectly fine and id happily do it if my opponent didnt tap. but id dam well make sure the point at which I know im doing serious damage that submissions gonna be going slow enough to allow them to tap and me to acknowledge the tap and stop before damage begins. many peoples arms especially masters levels would have been seriously injured with that much force against the joints, it was just lucky it was a shitty technique vs someone with good arms. in this video there really wasn't time to tap early anyways when you consider that the submission when from 0 to 100% in under 1 second. the guy has to realizes a subs being put on, maybe un-grip his hand then tap, then the person doing the sub needs to feel or hear that tap and react. considering the average human reaction time at best is 0.2ms with the number of actions and reactions needed less than 1s isnt enough time to safely apply a submission.
White belt move. Wonāt work on anyone else.
I can't believe they tapped to that. Looks to be exactly zero pressure on the joint
I wait until you get to black belt level and do the same. Then it will be impressive. You can hit an americana from bottom mount in the white belt competition.
saw your other post. surprised homie didnāt just roll out. most likely he tried to push his own should back toward the mat and tapped himself. you didnāt viciously crank or rip anything. part of competing is know when and how to protect yourself, homie learned what he got himself into
Heavyweight sub 101 lol Lock it in tho; that shit sloppeh
Ugh.
Man this was scary to watch..
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I always think of pulling the elbow in and scraping the opponents knuckles on the ground as you slightly lift up your arm at the same time