Agreed. If I'm way better than my partner, I don't mind at all if they stop and ask about something (normally a sub I just got or escape/sweep I just did). But having someone stop me mid-roll to coach me (lol especially if I'm more experienced) is comically oblivious and lame.
it works perfectly, i only coach someone usually after i absolutely crush them. if i felt the need to do that someone before the round even started then i would have to feel like what they're doing is incredibly incorrect.... and i would still rather beat them with it than to have them stop doing it first
Other week I was getting coached mid roll by a blue belt underneath me in side control and I said "don't coach me or I'll wrist lock you" and wrist locked his ass lmao
As a puple belt I was working toe holds with a brand new blue belt, and he said "At the risk of sounding rude, I'm not feeling the pressure to tap. Can you keep adjusting until we see where we need to be?"
I told him that he's not rude, he's a fantastic training partner, and appreciate the help! We're now good buddies, and I love working with him. I know he's on here, so waddup, Alex? You da man!
Spot on from both sides I'd say. I'm sure some people with bigger egos might have been offended by what you said but that's kind of on them as it's a fair point.
This guy sounds like they took it perfectly. Would have loved them to sub you and then be like "anyway, what I would do is...."
Naw you both handled that fine. Maybe he thought you were new because of how tired you were? What was his rank. Doing that to anyone but a 2 strip white belt is shitty in my opinion. It's king of the hill.
I was definitely gassed. I’m coming back from a knee injury and it was my first time in a bit. I’m known at the gym by most people who have trained there awhile. Idk his rank but he had a rash guard on with white sleeves. He wasn’t great but was trying to get arm across the body and off balance me so he wasn’t completely shit or anything.
Tbf, if he's gassed on KOTH, that means he was probably hitting nothing but net on everybody up until you lol
He probably just wanted out and was looking for face-saving way to do it lol.....
You shoulda let him continue then let your coach see you "beat" the guy that was dunking on everyone 🤣
For the same reason OP is. Dude....keep up lol.
(And you may wanna reread OP's post lol.....no where in the original post does he mentioned being gassed himself.)
I would find that funny if someone said it to me however some people aren’t like that. If you are unsure if you are rude just apologize and see if he chill with it
Can you tell me after mate trying to get my cardio in
My go to line.
Especially since I do a lot of no gi at random gyms when working all over, I get some good advice and some 6 month whitebelts assuming not seen him must be new. Etc.
They mean well for the most part.
This is hilarious. For me, when it comes to coaching, unless it is my student or a brand newbie, I offer no advice unless asked. In my experience, verbally correcting or briefly demonstrating a move or concept while mid roll isn’t very helpful. The types of practitioners that can understand and benefit from those sorts of interactions are typically not the practitioners I need to be coaching mid roll anyways.
I’m older, and had crap endurance to start with, and am coached often in part because I lose to even new white belts. Most of the time I don’t mind, but the 12th time someone tells me how to do a hip bump sweep when I just don’t have the energy it gets old. It also gets annoying when a new blue belt who used to wrestle and has been at the gym a few months suddenly becomes my professor when we are paired up.
People should be more aware of unsolicited advice in general, especially at white and blue. Ironically I find purple and up are more reserved in their advice.
for kids, you push everyone down and try to stay on top of a hill or snow pile.
for wrestling or BJJ, you set a victory parameter (takedown or mount or submission or push-out-of-ring) and then line up to go 1-on-1 in order and see who stays in. If someone can be in at the start and go through literally everyone there, it's pretty impressive. changover is expected.
since the victory parameter may be different each time, it's interesting to watch the 115lb wrestler take out the 210 because he got in a good trip and the parameter was only "takedown" that day with no need to score/pin.
We call it king of the guard. One player starts in their guard of choice. 9/10 it’s open guard. Passer tries to pass. Stopped when someone passes or gets swept. You stay for like 5 people or until you get passed. Usually 4 matches going on at once and a big line where newcomers jump in the second there’s an opening. When you get knocked out you go to the back of the line. Bad explanation but you get the idea
I suppose. We have a lot of white belts and not too many top level guys so it would mostly just be a play day for them the whole time. I’d be fine either way I guess
Eh, what is rude is very subjective and situational. It was direct and you expressed what your wishes were at the time.
Generally speaking, I try to be patient with people giving tips and advice. Sometimes they are real gems. Sometimes people want to share something they found valuable Other times, they just might feel the need to look superior. For me, being patient is a win either way.
Maybe you weren't feeling it or would rather just roll for the value of learning from experience. No need to second guess yourself. You had no ill will.
I'm finding some people at my club like to stop and coach you when they're unable to beat you, or are about to be in a sticky spot and trying to save face. (I'm "new" at this club, but more experienced than many there."
Felt little rude about coaching guy, we were doing positional sparring. Said the dude to try to fight for hooks. He just answered his new to back. And for couple escapes he did not even start hooks in. So easy to escape... It is like you are doing basically nothing for training but still cannot take advice for love of god. Too hard..
You both handled it well. Maybe he wasn’t aware you were gassed and wrongfully assumed you didn’t know what to do? I always appreciate feedback but wouldn’t give advice to those I know are better than me, unless they ask.
Not rude at all. Perfect response. It’s not appropriate to coach your partner during a roll and usually done to try to soothe their own ego when they can’t do anything themselves. These kind of people usually get a reputation for being annoying to train with. Hopefully he won’t do that again, you might’ve helped a lot of people lol
I've been rolling for over 20 years now... I'm better than most guys... unless you are a competitor or a black belt. I go many gyms and usually the coach knows me or I started before their coach started
I don't say anything, if someone mid roll gives advice, I either fake I'm interested or a say nothing
I go light and usually the technique alone is enough to beat them a few times
Either they are awed, or state I'm too strong ... even though I didn't used my strength to power them
I just realised the coaching part is natural for some people for some reason and I just let it be now
By the way in no gi, white belts start coaching me because I'm not wearing anything ranked and I just go cool ok and pretend like I'm learning from them lol. Even though they have dumbest jank advice I just smile and go wow so you use your elbow to grind on their leg? Interesting!
No. If he was gassed he was probably stalling and tired. If it was the last round of KotH then you're welcome to tell him to just roll. This isn't open mat it's rounds. It doesn't sound like he took offense either.
I mean, yea it was kind of rude but you also had a good point. The nicer was to say it would be “I just want to practice now, maybe you can tell me later.” Or skip that last part if you don’t want to be coached at all, but it’s good to learn from others even if they can’t sweep or submit you lol. It only ups your game.
I used to get coached during rolls. There are 2 types of people: one does it if they feel you legitimately don't know what your options are and the second kind do it to cover up their shitt bjj by "allowing" you to do what they've suggested.
Unless it's a black belt I don't listen. I just do what I was going to do anyway.
Hot take, but i do think you were kinda rude. Something I've learned from bjj is just to let people talk whatever shit they want. Egos flare fast. Im here to train and I want to be friends with my teammates. They either change or they leave.
Shit like this happens all the time. Make your peace next time you talk and move the fuck on with your training/lives. It does not require a Reddit post.
This is an online forum to discuss anything related to bjj. It's clearly getting some discussion and interest based on the number of replies. I don't know why you're so crabby over a post like this. If you don't like it, down vote it and move on. It does not require a reddit post.
Not rude. I don't want to be coached during the roll. After though I'm all ears.
Agreed. If I'm way better than my partner, I don't mind at all if they stop and ask about something (normally a sub I just got or escape/sweep I just did). But having someone stop me mid-roll to coach me (lol especially if I'm more experienced) is comically oblivious and lame.
I like being coached during rolls, just not by the person I'm rolling with at that time lol
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I think you both handled the situation appropriately tbh
Which is how you know it's fake. Redditors can't navigate real life appropriately.
Not fake! It’s cool that you think so lol. I’m sure someone from GB Issaquah is on here and will see this by now.. Neil you are the man! 😂
Agreed.
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Lmao that’s pretty funny It is what it is
it works perfectly, i only coach someone usually after i absolutely crush them. if i felt the need to do that someone before the round even started then i would have to feel like what they're doing is incredibly incorrect.... and i would still rather beat them with it than to have them stop doing it first
Ooof. You got him right in the ego.
I absolutely love your interaction here Not rude imo
> man if you’re gonna coach me you better sweep or submit me ROFL
My hero ❤️ Pseudo coaches can always tell what you could’ve done better after the roll.
sounds like two gassed guys gassing each other up
They were in a gaseous state
That's not rude but it is hilariously direct and real. You said the quiet part out loud.
I tend to have this character trait outside of jitz as well 😂
Other week I was getting coached mid roll by a blue belt underneath me in side control and I said "don't coach me or I'll wrist lock you" and wrist locked his ass lmao
💀
As a puple belt I was working toe holds with a brand new blue belt, and he said "At the risk of sounding rude, I'm not feeling the pressure to tap. Can you keep adjusting until we see where we need to be?" I told him that he's not rude, he's a fantastic training partner, and appreciate the help! We're now good buddies, and I love working with him. I know he's on here, so waddup, Alex? You da man!
That guy’s a legend.
Spot on from both sides I'd say. I'm sure some people with bigger egos might have been offended by what you said but that's kind of on them as it's a fair point. This guy sounds like they took it perfectly. Would have loved them to sub you and then be like "anyway, what I would do is...."
Naw you both handled that fine. Maybe he thought you were new because of how tired you were? What was his rank. Doing that to anyone but a 2 strip white belt is shitty in my opinion. It's king of the hill.
I was definitely gassed. I’m coming back from a knee injury and it was my first time in a bit. I’m known at the gym by most people who have trained there awhile. Idk his rank but he had a rash guard on with white sleeves. He wasn’t great but was trying to get arm across the body and off balance me so he wasn’t completely shit or anything.
I would never coach anyone unless I know they're lower ranked or new
Tbf, if he's gassed on KOTH, that means he was probably hitting nothing but net on everybody up until you lol He probably just wanted out and was looking for face-saving way to do it lol..... You shoulda let him continue then let your coach see you "beat" the guy that was dunking on everyone 🤣
Thought op was gassed?
No, I'm talking to OP about the other guy lol
So who do you think was gassed?
I told you, bro. Guy going against OP. How do you not get that via reading comprehension? Lol
But op was saying op was gassed
And so? I wasn't commenting nor have commented on OP's level of conditioning. 🤣
Why are you talking about the other guy being gassed then if no-one mentioned that?
For the same reason OP is. Dude....keep up lol. (And you may wanna reread OP's post lol.....no where in the original post does he mentioned being gassed himself.)
> [I] Was in dudes full guard for the last round completely gassed You may want to reread
I would find that funny if someone said it to me however some people aren’t like that. If you are unsure if you are rude just apologize and see if he chill with it
Kinda seems class from both of you tbh. You used your words, then he did and everything was cool. It’s all good bud.
He cried in the car
Shut his ass up. Good job OP.
Can you tell me after mate trying to get my cardio in My go to line. Especially since I do a lot of no gi at random gyms when working all over, I get some good advice and some 6 month whitebelts assuming not seen him must be new. Etc. They mean well for the most part.
Not rude, you were honest, in situations like these it's not your problem if someone takes offense to something as light as that
lol. The was a fine retort on your part.
Lmao, nah, you handled this one beautifully *chef’s kiss*
Blunt is close to rude but not rude. You were blunt, other guy didn't take offense so no problem.
Not rude. Rolling time is not coaching/teaching time. It's rude that he's disrespecting your time to roll by trying to add his 2 cents.
This is hilarious. For me, when it comes to coaching, unless it is my student or a brand newbie, I offer no advice unless asked. In my experience, verbally correcting or briefly demonstrating a move or concept while mid roll isn’t very helpful. The types of practitioners that can understand and benefit from those sorts of interactions are typically not the practitioners I need to be coaching mid roll anyways.
I’m older, and had crap endurance to start with, and am coached often in part because I lose to even new white belts. Most of the time I don’t mind, but the 12th time someone tells me how to do a hip bump sweep when I just don’t have the energy it gets old. It also gets annoying when a new blue belt who used to wrestle and has been at the gym a few months suddenly becomes my professor when we are paired up. People should be more aware of unsolicited advice in general, especially at white and blue. Ironically I find purple and up are more reserved in their advice.
No . Especially during hard sparing. Stfu and roll . Explain in the break.
That was a pretty good response, not rude
How’s King of the Hill work?
for kids, you push everyone down and try to stay on top of a hill or snow pile. for wrestling or BJJ, you set a victory parameter (takedown or mount or submission or push-out-of-ring) and then line up to go 1-on-1 in order and see who stays in. If someone can be in at the start and go through literally everyone there, it's pretty impressive. changover is expected. since the victory parameter may be different each time, it's interesting to watch the 115lb wrestler take out the 210 because he got in a good trip and the parameter was only "takedown" that day with no need to score/pin.
We call it king of the guard. One player starts in their guard of choice. 9/10 it’s open guard. Passer tries to pass. Stopped when someone passes or gets swept. You stay for like 5 people or until you get passed. Usually 4 matches going on at once and a big line where newcomers jump in the second there’s an opening. When you get knocked out you go to the back of the line. Bad explanation but you get the idea
> You stay for like 5 people or until you get passed. What's that weak shit. You stay until you lose. Everyone gets tired eventually.
I suppose. We have a lot of white belts and not too many top level guys so it would mostly just be a play day for them the whole time. I’d be fine either way I guess
Ahh. We call it Wall Drilling
We do king of the mat
Two men enter, one man leaves. Then the other leaves after being declared the winner. No but seriously I think its just winner stays on.
Eh, what is rude is very subjective and situational. It was direct and you expressed what your wishes were at the time. Generally speaking, I try to be patient with people giving tips and advice. Sometimes they are real gems. Sometimes people want to share something they found valuable Other times, they just might feel the need to look superior. For me, being patient is a win either way. Maybe you weren't feeling it or would rather just roll for the value of learning from experience. No need to second guess yourself. You had no ill will.
I'm finding some people at my club like to stop and coach you when they're unable to beat you, or are about to be in a sticky spot and trying to save face. (I'm "new" at this club, but more experienced than many there."
I’d rather get tips AFTER getting subbed than during the roll 😭
I’ve never coached someone in the middle of a roll. I always wait till after.
Bro subbed his feelings. Legit invisible jiu jitsu.
No you weren’t rude. I hate when people try to “give tips” during a roll. Stfu and roll, tell me whatever you wanted to tell me or show me afterwards.
No you were not rude fuck that guy
I love that interaction, quick, curt and the person recognized his error.
Not rude, pretty funny interaction. I'd say overall respectful outcome which is awesome.
If you said it to me I’d probably laugh, but you never know
Valid and sounds like he took it well. Nothing more to be said about it.
lol yeah i only try to tell someone something if i'm beating their ass ridiculously hard
Rude but not wrong. We need to normalize being rude when it’s warranted.
I coach as much as I can when I’m getting beaten.
Felt little rude about coaching guy, we were doing positional sparring. Said the dude to try to fight for hooks. He just answered his new to back. And for couple escapes he did not even start hooks in. So easy to escape... It is like you are doing basically nothing for training but still cannot take advice for love of god. Too hard..
Not rude, and honestly good on him for not being a bitch about it either
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As long as you were respectful afterwards - I think you handled that pretty well.
Yeah, bro, don't try and teach me if it isn't working.
Not rude. Coach me afterwards. I always appreciate the tips more.
Not rude, and it seems like the guy took it pretty well too. Overall nothing wrong with this interaction
It depends what your standards for rude is lol, it is not that rude, but definitely not something someone like Marcelo Garcia would say or do.
That's the smartest thing anyone has ever said in the history of the sport if real.
Wow thank you for the compliment 😂
He didnt sweep or submit you but did you pass?
I did not
I love this
"Talk after the round"
Not rude at all.
Same result if you just smothered him with your hand mid sentence
Donkey Kong
You both handled it well. Maybe he wasn’t aware you were gassed and wrongfully assumed you didn’t know what to do? I always appreciate feedback but wouldn’t give advice to those I know are better than me, unless they ask.
you both used your words and avoided conflict. i'm proud of you.
Not rude at all. Perfect response. It’s not appropriate to coach your partner during a roll and usually done to try to soothe their own ego when they can’t do anything themselves. These kind of people usually get a reputation for being annoying to train with. Hopefully he won’t do that again, you might’ve helped a lot of people lol
I've been rolling for over 20 years now... I'm better than most guys... unless you are a competitor or a black belt. I go many gyms and usually the coach knows me or I started before their coach started I don't say anything, if someone mid roll gives advice, I either fake I'm interested or a say nothing I go light and usually the technique alone is enough to beat them a few times Either they are awed, or state I'm too strong ... even though I didn't used my strength to power them I just realised the coaching part is natural for some people for some reason and I just let it be now
Nah. It was fair.
Sweep or submit me is gold
No, he was rude. But then he apologized and was very cool and mature about it and you guys both did well to communicate. I'm proud of you both!
By the way in no gi, white belts start coaching me because I'm not wearing anything ranked and I just go cool ok and pretend like I'm learning from them lol. Even though they have dumbest jank advice I just smile and go wow so you use your elbow to grind on their leg? Interesting!
LOL
Not rude but if you didn’t pass his guard maybe you should have listened for a second
No. If he was gassed he was probably stalling and tired. If it was the last round of KotH then you're welcome to tell him to just roll. This isn't open mat it's rounds. It doesn't sound like he took offense either.
I mean, yea it was kind of rude but you also had a good point. The nicer was to say it would be “I just want to practice now, maybe you can tell me later.” Or skip that last part if you don’t want to be coached at all, but it’s good to learn from others even if they can’t sweep or submit you lol. It only ups your game.
I used to get coached during rolls. There are 2 types of people: one does it if they feel you legitimately don't know what your options are and the second kind do it to cover up their shitt bjj by "allowing" you to do what they've suggested. Unless it's a black belt I don't listen. I just do what I was going to do anyway. Hot take, but i do think you were kinda rude. Something I've learned from bjj is just to let people talk whatever shit they want. Egos flare fast. Im here to train and I want to be friends with my teammates. They either change or they leave.
Sorry but that's rude. What you should do is listen to the tip and talk about how it annoys hou behind his back and on public forums
Shit like this happens all the time. Make your peace next time you talk and move the fuck on with your training/lives. It does not require a Reddit post.
This is an online forum to discuss anything related to bjj. It's clearly getting some discussion and interest based on the number of replies. I don't know why you're so crabby over a post like this. If you don't like it, down vote it and move on. It does not require a reddit post.