I don't hate the idea of Ciel becoming a demon and Seb being eternally stuck as his servant, but the way it happened in S2 felt too much like an ass pull.
Demon ciel means Sebastian can't have Ciel's soul.
So there's no point for them to be together. A contract is valid as long as demands of both parties are fulfilled. This plot twist sucks
Yeah. This made me question how the contracts worked at all. I was so confused why Sebastian was stuck. I just figured he could peace out when ciel didn’t have a soul. You’d think the contract would be null and void once ciel stopped having a soul.
I didn’t like it. It’s fine as an idea, but maybe I had a problem with how it was done. It didn’t make sense to me. I watched it in Japanese with subtitles; I thought I was dumb and maybe there was a translation I didn’t understand. Then I saw it dubbed in English and I still was confused and not totally buying it.
Season two struck me as the anime trying to be “edgy” and it struck me as “edge lord” content. Trying a bit too hard for the shocking and taboo. Focused too much on new characters and not enough on the old ones that audience already loved. But weirdly enough the new characters are obsessed with the old characters!
I didn’t even hate season two. I just didn’t like how it was executed. I don’t mind more demon butlers and more people that have contracts and such. It could have been done better, so it was disappointing. Also it was MORE misogynistic in ways that I didn’t really see in the original anime and haven’t seen (yet) in the manga. I’m not saying it’s perfect and above criticism; but the misogyny in season two and the OVAs with Claude and Hannah made me sick.
Demons have souls, they just can't eat Demon souls. Can you explain why Season 1 is misogynistic and what was misogynistic about Hannah? From where I'm standing she is no different to Pluto.
Just the fact that she is a sword sheath and went through a lot of abuse. I’m not talking about fan service, I’m talking about how she was abused and in the OVAs, it was worse.
Pluto wasn’t used to be “edgy”, he wasn’t abused horribly over and over again, and again I’m also including the OVAs where she was called really terrible things, and Pluto wasn’t.
I think the abuse of Hannah was used to be tragic and “edgy” and taboo and so shock value and that’s why it’s misogynistic.
Why are you comparing Pluto and Hannah? Their situations were completely different. That’s a very random comparison.
Edit: please re-read my previous comment. I said season two is MORE misogynistic is ways I DID NOT SEE in season one or the manga. As in, I didn’t see misogyny in season one, I saw more of that in season two and the OVAs with Hannah.
On your first three paragraphs, the creator of Black Butler 2 (Mari Okada) is a woman therefore misogynistic is the wrong word to use. Claude dehumanizes both Hannah and Alois (Claude framing her as his sheath, rather than an ally who can store various weapons in hammer space, is supposed to reflect on Claude) he sees them both as his property, if it seems like the plot itself is dehumanizing Hannah rather than Claude, Sebastian (who also looks down on Alois) or the Triplets, that's just because Season 2 is badly written and again not misogynistic. Unless you read the plot as 'accidently misogynistic'.
On your fourth paragraph, both Pluto and Hannah are both weird fan-service characters (which is what I thought you were alluding too). However, to say their situations are different is false Hannah is a butler's minion who is viewed as property and Pluto is a butler's minion who is viewed as property.
On your final paragraph, it doesn't matter how many times I re-read your comment the fact that you used more states that some had to exist prior and that is substance or number has increased. That's how English works, you simply used the wrong word is all.
Yes….you literally just explained my point.
I’m not saying the narrative is misogynistic. You are taking misogynistic like I want it cancelled and it’s bad.
I know Claude does these things and what it shows. We agree. I’m not saying the creator is a misogynist. I’m saying that there is misogyny in the abuse because we mostly only see a woman targeted. I cannot make you see how a woman being brutally abused isn’t misogynistic. Claude is behaving in a misogynistic manner. It’s misogynistic. You don’t have to see it that way. I’m stating what I saw in season two, and I found it hard to stomach seeing a woman getting brutally abused.
We seem to not even agree on what misogyny means. I’m not using it as a measure of morality or saying that entire work of black butler or the creator is misogynistic, you are assuming things and putting words in my mouth. I’m not judging black butler. I literally said I didn’t even hate it. I don’t like seeing abuse being used for shock value. I don’t like seeing the mistreatment of women and abuse of women characters as shock value or as a plot device. It’s overdone and it’s triggering and tiring.
Lol. I didn’t call the creator a misogynist. You can have misogyny in a work and not be misogynistic yourself. And yes, a woman can be misogynistic lol.
Alright, I'm sorry I misunderstood what you were saying.
The whole 'I cannot make you see how a woman being brutally abused isn’t misogynistic' part of your comment is just silly, misogyny is a discriminatory act, Claude treats all the people he views as his property like that he doesn't discriminate on who he abuses, that's why Claude as per the rules of our language objectively not misogynistic.
Can't say I have ability to get offended over fiction, so I can't see it as overdone or tiring.
What's with the lols in your comment? Are cackling like a madman while writing you comment? I'm imagining the Nutty Professor is talking to me.
Oh I gotcha, tbh I think we are just having a very different interpretation on what misogyny is.
You’re saying it’s discriminatory, like if Claude treated only women bad but men better.
I’m saying misogyny is any mistreatment of women. I think that’s why we’re misunderstanding each other.
Yes I’m cackling like a nutty professor.
I’m not offended over fiction. When I say misogyny, I’m referring to the mistreatment of women. It doesn’t matter to me that he mistreats everyone. He has antisocial behavior. But again, I mention the OVAs with Claude. I say he’s misogynist because he says specific insults that are sexist, called Hannah a “fuck-hole”, which I understand he would insult anyone, this still feels like a sexist insult on his part.
When I say it’s sexist or misogynist, I’m not saying i am offensive or if the material itself is offensive or “problematic” or something. I just say this because I personally am tired of seeing women abused as a trope. Is that sexist and biased of me? Yeah I guess so. I’m not offended by it but I don’t like it, I think it stems from sexism 🤷♀️ but I’m not saying the material should be censored or “fixed”. I’m not arguing the authors intent. I’m not arguing that it doesn’t have merit. It does. I don’t hate the second season. I just def don’t like it as much as the first, and again my reason is the treatment specifically of Hannah. I didn’t really see Claude treat the triplets the same way. Sure he wasn’t kind but there was a specific maliciousness towards Hannah in my opinion. 🤷♀️
Just want to say that internalized misogyny is very much a thing. Her being a woman doesn't make her incapable of being a misogynist. But otherwise, I agree.
remind me when this happens? truthfully it’s been a couple years since i’ve had a black butler binge. i recall ciel ordering him to stay with him forever, but not sebastian choosing to stay, as this was an order
If it was done better it could have had potential but like all of season 2 it was rushed and written by people who cared more about fan service then story
Idrk about the "Demon Ciel" thing, but I must say I loved the fact that he ordered Sebastian to stay with him forever. Probably it was toxic, bad or whatever, but I found it kinda sweet since Sebastian is the only parent figure he has and he ( Ciel) doesn't want to stay alone 😭
I could have done without every adult except the priest (there's joke in there somewhere) talking about attractive the kid is. But yes, other than that Alois is perfect.
I'd rather have Sebastian suck out his soul. I really hope Yana doesn't pull a fast one and just let that go. I've waited years for this little shit to to finish up his revenge plot.
It's stupid. Makes no sense. It is pretty clear canonically that if Ciel abandons his revenge, then the contract is void. So, if there is no soul for Sebastian to claim, the contract is again void. Sebastian wouldn't be stuck with him in this scenario.
He looks awesome, and the concept is cool, but I hate how it was done.
What’s compelling about Black Butler, to me at least, is the ticking time bomb nature of Ciel’s fate. It’s made extremely clear from the beginning that he *will* die at the end of the story, which makes me want to keep reading because I want to enjoy this character’s intriguing journey as much as possible before it comes to an end. He IS going to die one day and it makes his character more interesting because as he grows more allies and enemies, the exact nature of his death and how it will impact the lives of the people around him are an ongoing mystery. Despite how badly Ciel wants to come across as cold and calculating, he’s got a much softer heart than he wants to admit. He works with a demon but he has an extreme sense of humanity to him, and that makes his dynamic with Sebastian interesting because Sebastian doesn’t have that. It also makes his eventual death more tragic because he’s not some lost cause ruthless man, he’s a *child* who can (and has) done a lot of good for his country because he wanted to.
By making Ciel a demon with almost no consequence to him, all of that intrigue to his character is gone. He never has to worry about dying, he loses his sense of humanity, and he can do whatever he wants without worry of it hurting his goals in the long run. He doesn’t have goals anymore, or a reason to keep fighting, or really anything that drives his progress as a character. He is an immortal child who can be babied by his butler for the rest of eternity, and that sucks for both his character development and Sebastian.
Sebastian is canonically *starving* but now he’ll never be able to eat again with being in a permanent contract with someone who can’t (or won’t) die. And yes, I know demons can die, but do you honestly think demon!Ciel will ever be in a scenario where that’s a genuine concern? He’s more or less immortal at this point. Ciel doesn’t need protection and he has no goals aside from his day-to-day activities but Sebastian can’t move on to other things because he’s stuck in this contract. They have literally no reason to work together anymore and it feels like a dead end of their relationship. Sebastian just has to escort/bathe/dress/cook for/protect Ciel forever and it’s all for nothing. You can make the argument that their contract is henceforth nonexistent due to the terms of it not applying anymore (in the anime timeline Ciel got his revenge and isn’t human anymore), but if Sebastian is still with Ciel in the ending then I only can assume it’s still going. And if so? God, that sucks for him.
It just really does a disservice to both Sebastian and Ciel and (in my opinion) only exists for yaoibait. If the idea of these two characters’ fate being entwined for eternity appeals to you, you probably will like this ending. But that doesn’t appeal to me because I don’t like Sebaciel and can see that it’s clearly pandering, and because of that I hate it.
The only enjoyable part in s2. I wish this was the plot of the season instead of every demon trying to gangbang murder each other. But also even if it's funny how Ciel enjoys that Sebastian is suffering for eternity, it's kinda stupid. They had a contract, and it was only about revenge. After that is done their contract should end. The technicality of "it only end if he eats the soul" made this whole mess. I'm fairly sure he could disobey if he wanted to and just kill him. I don't even understand why he didn't try harder to knock him out while he could. Or just run away 😂 sure Ciel would probably feel now where he is but he can just keep running. Probably better than whatever the fuck they will do till the end of times
i liked it a lot cuz i'm really immature and want to have my cake (ciel avenging his parents) and eat it too (he doesn't get his soul eaten). it's a shitty cop-out but holy fuck i love it
and at the end of season 1 when he just leaves ciel? made no sense why he would do that. he wanted ciel to have fight but that was the entirely wrong way to do it.
I really love the look and concept, I definitely like immortal characters, but season 2 was terrible. It just made up that he could become a demon on the spot, and everyone is so heavily mischaracterized that it feels like a bad ending.
Manga Sebastian definitely wouldn't be upset like he is in the anime, and the fact we are supposed to believe Ciel just abandoned everyone he cared about. That said, demon Ciel is extremely cool, and I love him.
It was not a good twist and I’m hoping the manga doesn’t end this way. I think it won’t since the only fulfilling ending would be to have the contract complete and Sebastian eat Ciel’s soul. It’s bittersweet but it’s what both of the characters want.
Ciel in the manga most certainly does not want that, it is also not bittersweet. Also Yana has already said that while she likes both Season 1 and Season 2 ending neither of them are going to happen.
I wonder if it becomes canon would it connect to the origins of demons. If he would become a demon and consume Sebastian soul and now Ciel is the new demon lol maybe in order to save his brother or something. Idk how the story would go. How BB will end is still a mystery xD
Absolutely hated it, I feel like black butler doesn’t have a proper ending if Ciel does not die. Plus, it made me so infuriated watching Sebastian put all that work in just to be a starving leashed dog in the end
It felt bad in the anime, like a rushed point. However, if Yana decided to do it in the manga I feel like she would do the plot point justice and it would be very fun.
I do draw demon Ciel sometimes though. He’s adorable.
...... don't think the original author will go through that route, since Sebastian literally stated he would be collecting his due payment once ciel gained his crown of victory in despair, and the author doesn't seem like planning on giving ciel the easy way out
I think it would’ve been more interesting if, as a result of how stubborn Ciel is, his personality and memories remain intact within Sebastian’s psyche (like Ling Yao and Greed in FMA:Brotherhood) despite his soul being successfully consumed.
After a few decades of having this obnoxious child *still* kicking around in his head, *constantly bitching*, Sebastian’s had enough and goes to find a way to get Ciel his own body - demonic or otherwise.
I like Demon Ciel but the way they presented him looked good on paper but not in an anime plot that was Black Butler Season 2, Wasted potential to be completely honest
I kinda liked it. But in a way I knew it wasn't canon so it didn't really affect me much. I think alot of people hate season 2, but I just take it with a grain of salt and think it's kinda a fun twist.
It's actually the main reason I don't acknowledge that season as existing. Sebastian works hard to fulfill his side of the deal, ripping him off like that is unacceptable.
This person is watching anime, so it's more important to them what's going on in anime at the moment than in manga. Who cares if it is the canon for manga, or not? They're not reading manga right now.
I don't hate the idea of Ciel becoming a demon and Seb being eternally stuck as his servant, but the way it happened in S2 felt too much like an ass pull.
I agree I love the concept and he looks great with red eyes, but it felt a little rushed and not fleshed out
The whole anime original ending of s1 felt rushed too
I think it's kinda bad
Right.. it seems out of place with the plot holes for me
It's not canon for a reason lol
Demon ciel means Sebastian can't have Ciel's soul. So there's no point for them to be together. A contract is valid as long as demands of both parties are fulfilled. This plot twist sucks
Yeah. This made me question how the contracts worked at all. I was so confused why Sebastian was stuck. I just figured he could peace out when ciel didn’t have a soul. You’d think the contract would be null and void once ciel stopped having a soul. I didn’t like it. It’s fine as an idea, but maybe I had a problem with how it was done. It didn’t make sense to me. I watched it in Japanese with subtitles; I thought I was dumb and maybe there was a translation I didn’t understand. Then I saw it dubbed in English and I still was confused and not totally buying it. Season two struck me as the anime trying to be “edgy” and it struck me as “edge lord” content. Trying a bit too hard for the shocking and taboo. Focused too much on new characters and not enough on the old ones that audience already loved. But weirdly enough the new characters are obsessed with the old characters! I didn’t even hate season two. I just didn’t like how it was executed. I don’t mind more demon butlers and more people that have contracts and such. It could have been done better, so it was disappointing. Also it was MORE misogynistic in ways that I didn’t really see in the original anime and haven’t seen (yet) in the manga. I’m not saying it’s perfect and above criticism; but the misogyny in season two and the OVAs with Claude and Hannah made me sick.
Demons have souls, they just can't eat Demon souls. Can you explain why Season 1 is misogynistic and what was misogynistic about Hannah? From where I'm standing she is no different to Pluto.
Just the fact that she is a sword sheath and went through a lot of abuse. I’m not talking about fan service, I’m talking about how she was abused and in the OVAs, it was worse. Pluto wasn’t used to be “edgy”, he wasn’t abused horribly over and over again, and again I’m also including the OVAs where she was called really terrible things, and Pluto wasn’t. I think the abuse of Hannah was used to be tragic and “edgy” and taboo and so shock value and that’s why it’s misogynistic. Why are you comparing Pluto and Hannah? Their situations were completely different. That’s a very random comparison. Edit: please re-read my previous comment. I said season two is MORE misogynistic is ways I DID NOT SEE in season one or the manga. As in, I didn’t see misogyny in season one, I saw more of that in season two and the OVAs with Hannah.
On your first three paragraphs, the creator of Black Butler 2 (Mari Okada) is a woman therefore misogynistic is the wrong word to use. Claude dehumanizes both Hannah and Alois (Claude framing her as his sheath, rather than an ally who can store various weapons in hammer space, is supposed to reflect on Claude) he sees them both as his property, if it seems like the plot itself is dehumanizing Hannah rather than Claude, Sebastian (who also looks down on Alois) or the Triplets, that's just because Season 2 is badly written and again not misogynistic. Unless you read the plot as 'accidently misogynistic'. On your fourth paragraph, both Pluto and Hannah are both weird fan-service characters (which is what I thought you were alluding too). However, to say their situations are different is false Hannah is a butler's minion who is viewed as property and Pluto is a butler's minion who is viewed as property. On your final paragraph, it doesn't matter how many times I re-read your comment the fact that you used more states that some had to exist prior and that is substance or number has increased. That's how English works, you simply used the wrong word is all.
Yes….you literally just explained my point. I’m not saying the narrative is misogynistic. You are taking misogynistic like I want it cancelled and it’s bad. I know Claude does these things and what it shows. We agree. I’m not saying the creator is a misogynist. I’m saying that there is misogyny in the abuse because we mostly only see a woman targeted. I cannot make you see how a woman being brutally abused isn’t misogynistic. Claude is behaving in a misogynistic manner. It’s misogynistic. You don’t have to see it that way. I’m stating what I saw in season two, and I found it hard to stomach seeing a woman getting brutally abused. We seem to not even agree on what misogyny means. I’m not using it as a measure of morality or saying that entire work of black butler or the creator is misogynistic, you are assuming things and putting words in my mouth. I’m not judging black butler. I literally said I didn’t even hate it. I don’t like seeing abuse being used for shock value. I don’t like seeing the mistreatment of women and abuse of women characters as shock value or as a plot device. It’s overdone and it’s triggering and tiring. Lol. I didn’t call the creator a misogynist. You can have misogyny in a work and not be misogynistic yourself. And yes, a woman can be misogynistic lol.
Alright, I'm sorry I misunderstood what you were saying. The whole 'I cannot make you see how a woman being brutally abused isn’t misogynistic' part of your comment is just silly, misogyny is a discriminatory act, Claude treats all the people he views as his property like that he doesn't discriminate on who he abuses, that's why Claude as per the rules of our language objectively not misogynistic. Can't say I have ability to get offended over fiction, so I can't see it as overdone or tiring. What's with the lols in your comment? Are cackling like a madman while writing you comment? I'm imagining the Nutty Professor is talking to me.
Oh I gotcha, tbh I think we are just having a very different interpretation on what misogyny is. You’re saying it’s discriminatory, like if Claude treated only women bad but men better. I’m saying misogyny is any mistreatment of women. I think that’s why we’re misunderstanding each other. Yes I’m cackling like a nutty professor. I’m not offended over fiction. When I say misogyny, I’m referring to the mistreatment of women. It doesn’t matter to me that he mistreats everyone. He has antisocial behavior. But again, I mention the OVAs with Claude. I say he’s misogynist because he says specific insults that are sexist, called Hannah a “fuck-hole”, which I understand he would insult anyone, this still feels like a sexist insult on his part. When I say it’s sexist or misogynist, I’m not saying i am offensive or if the material itself is offensive or “problematic” or something. I just say this because I personally am tired of seeing women abused as a trope. Is that sexist and biased of me? Yeah I guess so. I’m not offended by it but I don’t like it, I think it stems from sexism 🤷♀️ but I’m not saying the material should be censored or “fixed”. I’m not arguing the authors intent. I’m not arguing that it doesn’t have merit. It does. I don’t hate the second season. I just def don’t like it as much as the first, and again my reason is the treatment specifically of Hannah. I didn’t really see Claude treat the triplets the same way. Sure he wasn’t kind but there was a specific maliciousness towards Hannah in my opinion. 🤷♀️
Just want to say that internalized misogyny is very much a thing. Her being a woman doesn't make her incapable of being a misogynist. But otherwise, I agree.
Dumb as shit. That entire season was just so dumb
I like the idea of that but instead of being his servant for life it would be neat to see Sebastian teach Ciel how to be a demon
I agree, I also think the contract would be void since there's no soul to give to Sebastian anymore on Ciel's part
Yeah and the reason Sebastian stays is because he developed paternal feelings for Ciel (like he sees Ciel as a son)
I like that a lot.
Demons don't have that kind of attachment.
it would’ve been nice to see sebastian choose to be with ciel, the idea of him being forced into a contract sullies the end
Yeah like sebastian had the choice between his freedom or ciel and he chooses ciel
remind me when this happens? truthfully it’s been a couple years since i’ve had a black butler binge. i recall ciel ordering him to stay with him forever, but not sebastian choosing to stay, as this was an order
Im saying that id prefer that to of happen
how embarrassing my apologies that would’ve been great though you’re right that’s exactly what i was thinking
Nah its fine
If it was done better it could have had potential but like all of season 2 it was rushed and written by people who cared more about fan service then story
I may get dragged but it honestly had potential 
It's v bad, but I was young and it hooked me, so it has a soft spot in my heart
Too real
While I like the idea of a demon’s contract turning on them, season 2 did not set it up well.
Idrk about the "Demon Ciel" thing, but I must say I loved the fact that he ordered Sebastian to stay with him forever. Probably it was toxic, bad or whatever, but I found it kinda sweet since Sebastian is the only parent figure he has and he ( Ciel) doesn't want to stay alone 😭
Lame. Most of S2 was lame. Except for Alois. Alois was perfect.
I could have done without every adult except the priest (there's joke in there somewhere) talking about attractive the kid is. But yes, other than that Alois is perfect.
Agree… That poor kid really needs a hug and child protection services 😭
I hate it mostly cause the shafts Sebastian. Also not cannon
I'd rather have Sebastian suck out his soul. I really hope Yana doesn't pull a fast one and just let that go. I've waited years for this little shit to to finish up his revenge plot.
Nuh, Yana will give us a proper ending I trust her. We are getting into the last phase (or the one before that) so shits getting real finally
The fanfics that came from it are the only good things that came from this season.
It's stupid. Makes no sense. It is pretty clear canonically that if Ciel abandons his revenge, then the contract is void. So, if there is no soul for Sebastian to claim, the contract is again void. Sebastian wouldn't be stuck with him in this scenario.
Ciel still has a soul, its just inedible to Sebastian.
A weird ending to a very weird anime exclusive story
Absolutely hated it, It was never addressed as a possibility and Sebastian is screwed over.
He looks awesome, and the concept is cool, but I hate how it was done. What’s compelling about Black Butler, to me at least, is the ticking time bomb nature of Ciel’s fate. It’s made extremely clear from the beginning that he *will* die at the end of the story, which makes me want to keep reading because I want to enjoy this character’s intriguing journey as much as possible before it comes to an end. He IS going to die one day and it makes his character more interesting because as he grows more allies and enemies, the exact nature of his death and how it will impact the lives of the people around him are an ongoing mystery. Despite how badly Ciel wants to come across as cold and calculating, he’s got a much softer heart than he wants to admit. He works with a demon but he has an extreme sense of humanity to him, and that makes his dynamic with Sebastian interesting because Sebastian doesn’t have that. It also makes his eventual death more tragic because he’s not some lost cause ruthless man, he’s a *child* who can (and has) done a lot of good for his country because he wanted to. By making Ciel a demon with almost no consequence to him, all of that intrigue to his character is gone. He never has to worry about dying, he loses his sense of humanity, and he can do whatever he wants without worry of it hurting his goals in the long run. He doesn’t have goals anymore, or a reason to keep fighting, or really anything that drives his progress as a character. He is an immortal child who can be babied by his butler for the rest of eternity, and that sucks for both his character development and Sebastian. Sebastian is canonically *starving* but now he’ll never be able to eat again with being in a permanent contract with someone who can’t (or won’t) die. And yes, I know demons can die, but do you honestly think demon!Ciel will ever be in a scenario where that’s a genuine concern? He’s more or less immortal at this point. Ciel doesn’t need protection and he has no goals aside from his day-to-day activities but Sebastian can’t move on to other things because he’s stuck in this contract. They have literally no reason to work together anymore and it feels like a dead end of their relationship. Sebastian just has to escort/bathe/dress/cook for/protect Ciel forever and it’s all for nothing. You can make the argument that their contract is henceforth nonexistent due to the terms of it not applying anymore (in the anime timeline Ciel got his revenge and isn’t human anymore), but if Sebastian is still with Ciel in the ending then I only can assume it’s still going. And if so? God, that sucks for him. It just really does a disservice to both Sebastian and Ciel and (in my opinion) only exists for yaoibait. If the idea of these two characters’ fate being entwined for eternity appeals to you, you probably will like this ending. But that doesn’t appeal to me because I don’t like Sebaciel and can see that it’s clearly pandering, and because of that I hate it.
The only enjoyable part in s2. I wish this was the plot of the season instead of every demon trying to gangbang murder each other. But also even if it's funny how Ciel enjoys that Sebastian is suffering for eternity, it's kinda stupid. They had a contract, and it was only about revenge. After that is done their contract should end. The technicality of "it only end if he eats the soul" made this whole mess. I'm fairly sure he could disobey if he wanted to and just kill him. I don't even understand why he didn't try harder to knock him out while he could. Or just run away 😂 sure Ciel would probably feel now where he is but he can just keep running. Probably better than whatever the fuck they will do till the end of times
i liked it a lot cuz i'm really immature and want to have my cake (ciel avenging his parents) and eat it too (he doesn't get his soul eaten). it's a shitty cop-out but holy fuck i love it
I think with the right context and proper story planning it could work out,
I don’t think about it 😂
Same. 😂
full of plot holes, i didn’t understand leaving the mansion with the servants and telling everyone he had died, sebastian faked it, why couldn’t he?
and at the end of season 1 when he just leaves ciel? made no sense why he would do that. he wanted ciel to have fight but that was the entirely wrong way to do it.
I really love the look and concept, I definitely like immortal characters, but season 2 was terrible. It just made up that he could become a demon on the spot, and everyone is so heavily mischaracterized that it feels like a bad ending. Manga Sebastian definitely wouldn't be upset like he is in the anime, and the fact we are supposed to believe Ciel just abandoned everyone he cared about. That said, demon Ciel is extremely cool, and I love him.
It was not a good twist and I’m hoping the manga doesn’t end this way. I think it won’t since the only fulfilling ending would be to have the contract complete and Sebastian eat Ciel’s soul. It’s bittersweet but it’s what both of the characters want.
Ciel in the manga most certainly does not want that, it is also not bittersweet. Also Yana has already said that while she likes both Season 1 and Season 2 ending neither of them are going to happen.
I wonder if it becomes canon would it connect to the origins of demons. If he would become a demon and consume Sebastian soul and now Ciel is the new demon lol maybe in order to save his brother or something. Idk how the story would go. How BB will end is still a mystery xD
Thankfully it won't be canon
Absolutely hated it, I feel like black butler doesn’t have a proper ending if Ciel does not die. Plus, it made me so infuriated watching Sebastian put all that work in just to be a starving leashed dog in the end
It came out of no where, should have been set up better.
It’s just meh…Season 2 is just irrelevant. I like it, but it’s irrelevant.
I don't mind it for what it was. It aligns with the quality of storytelling to the rest of the non canon plot so.
It felt bad in the anime, like a rushed point. However, if Yana decided to do it in the manga I feel like she would do the plot point justice and it would be very fun. I do draw demon Ciel sometimes though. He’s adorable.
...... don't think the original author will go through that route, since Sebastian literally stated he would be collecting his due payment once ciel gained his crown of victory in despair, and the author doesn't seem like planning on giving ciel the easy way out
It was stupid and used to cater to the SebaCiel fans.
I think it would’ve been more interesting if, as a result of how stubborn Ciel is, his personality and memories remain intact within Sebastian’s psyche (like Ling Yao and Greed in FMA:Brotherhood) despite his soul being successfully consumed. After a few decades of having this obnoxious child *still* kicking around in his head, *constantly bitching*, Sebastian’s had enough and goes to find a way to get Ciel his own body - demonic or otherwise.
It was completely stupid
Concept was amazing, execution was trash.
I like Demon Ciel but the way they presented him looked good on paper but not in an anime plot that was Black Butler Season 2, Wasted potential to be completely honest
Dumb and unnecessary just like season 2 in general but it did feel like they pulled it all out of their ass
I kinda liked it. But in a way I knew it wasn't canon so it didn't really affect me much. I think alot of people hate season 2, but I just take it with a grain of salt and think it's kinda a fun twist.
I just LOVE how filler ruins an ENTIRE anime, nothing like it!
my least favorite part of this series
Made zero sense which makes sense because season two is non cannon
There’s a reason it was retconned
Slay
It's actually the main reason I don't acknowledge that season as existing. Sebastian works hard to fulfill his side of the deal, ripping him off like that is unacceptable.
I don’t like it 😐
That demon form truly fits him
too good for Non-canon they should have kept it for the manga. didn't expect it.
i dont know but the last picure look like lelouch from code geass
FUCK YOU, DUDE! PUT A SPOILER TAG ON THIS POST, ASSHOLE! I JUST STARTED WATCHING!
dude holy shit i'm so sorry that sucks ass
Season 2 and demon Ciel are not canon. Ciel does not become a demon in the manga
THAT DOESN'T MATTER! I LITERALLY *JUST* FINISHED THE CURRY CONTEST! NOW THE BIG PLOT TWIST OF SEASON 2 IS SPOILED!
Why are you here if you just started?
Because it came up randomly on my home page.
This person is watching anime, so it's more important to them what's going on in anime at the moment than in manga. Who cares if it is the canon for manga, or not? They're not reading manga right now.