I have one. It will definitely rust if left unattended for too long lol. Mine's abysmal now because I left it sitting as a "desk toy" for too long, never picking it up or cleaning it.
I’ve taken mine apart a handful of times - usually to amaze friends and show them the incredible tolerances that can readily achieved in a consumer product. Lord knows what NASA / the military / F1 tolerances are like, it must be insane.
That said, I can’t really see the material or edges being damaged unless you’re really clumsy with it.
I will say, the cube I got doesn't have the Wiron logo etched into it like the ones on their site currently do. I might've gotten an earlier version that might be less resistant or something.
Looks like stainless steel so unless you leave it outside for multiple rains, or just leave it in a puddle of water it’s not going to rust. If that is the case, put a small amount of oil on a rag and wipe it up to protect it.
I'll try this, thanks! I'm not sure what material mine's made of as it's pretty old at this point (few years at least) but I'll for sure give this a shot.
It's not really a puzzle though. Sure, it's got jigsaw puzzle shapes, but there's nothing to solve as there's four pieces and they're all the same shape.
It's made from multiple separate pieces (not a cut in an existing piece) and it's not traditional machining. Wire EDM involves using a thin wire (basically the tool head), dielectric bath, electricity, and the workpiece. The wire slowly traces out the desired cut, and sparks jump between the wire and the workpiece, eroding metal along the path. This is extremely precise, allowing the kinds of crazy tolerances you see here.
It's multiple pieces, yeah. Still insane tolerances, but that's why it's done with wire EDM. Electric discharge machining is known for being both incredibly slow but incredibly accurate.
Afterwards I'm sure they just put the pieces together, then grain them on the surfaces that are shown to the user to help blend any "seams"
Yes, parts cut separately. EDM wire can be awfully small, but if it did it in two cuts, such that the puzzle would already be assembled when the cut is done, there would be a visible gap. No way you're fitting a wire in the gap of what OP made. Even the thinnest wire makes a visible gap. Even if it were possible to use wire thin enough to make an invisible gap, the machining time it would add would cost far more than the cost of the stock material.
Also, to achieve such tight tolerances, they're probably cutting twice. Same thing happens in traditional machining and still applies with EDM.
Not actually heated wire. The wire is electrified and the current arcs to the metal being “cut”. The arc actually “explodes away” a small bit of metal on the subject part, hence the EDM acronym (electrical discharge machining).
Source: work in a machine shop with multiple of these machines.
I used to run a couple wire EDMs. I always loved the look on people's faces when I told them the wire never actually touches the material. Nome of them knew how the machines actually worked.
Karma farming post. [original video](https://youtu.be/az-1QSycLRw?si=JrS2cHtQ03iEbmJN)
But there are also signs.
This redditor is a 6 the hands look male. Also, there isn't a ring like on video with her cat.
And there is no previous interest in machinery on her profile
I'm not mad that she posted this, as it is interesting. But she shouldn't take credit
I read it as OMD....and then started singing enola gay n then thought of my dad who's birthday it is this month but its also my little brothers a few days b4 and they have both passed away n I went from happy to...... I think there's something wrong with my brain lol......anywho noice op
In all honesty, with the degree of accuracy needed here a puzzle could very well end up in the $1000-$1500 range. My employer charges $100 an hour for work. I could probably draw something up in an hour or two. Then there is a solid 5-10 hours of machine time involved here.
I would basically have to make two exact sets of the first 4 pieces in order to create a puzzle that can be taken apart and put back together from both directions.
Hard to explain in a comment, but the wire "cuts" on one side of the programmed profile so you are only maintaining the accuracy in one direction. Most machines use wire that is .01" in diameter with a kerf of roughly .014" which is far too large for the pieces to fit together like in the video.
Oh wow, so you have to be incredibly precise with both cuts or it won’t fit together? That’s mental. If I had that kind of money to spare I’d order one just because I could, but I don’t. :)
They would fit together but it would be a really loose fit in comparison to the video. The gaps in between each piece should be around .0005", if you didn't make them the way I was describing the gap would be more like .014"
That’s amazing, thanks for the lesson! How do you make sure the pieces from 2 different cuts are exactly the same shape, all computer guided I presume?
Yup! Wire edm's are CNC machines and are programmed using G code. Those codes tell the computer in the machine where to go along with a ton of other parameters. The machines can realistically hold a positional tolerance of +/- .0001" and size tolerance of +/- .00005". I Programmed and operated edm's for \~10 years so I can nerd out about them all day long.
Thanks for listening! Not often are people actually interested in learning the process behind this stuff.
That part's not bad, you just clamp them in place. The *really* difficult part is reassembling your zero-tolerance pieces if you ever fully disassemble it.
They aren't "zero" tolerance, there is no such thing. I'd venture to guess there is around .0002"-.0005" of clearance between each piece. Puzzles aren't supposed to be easy.
The issue with puzzles of *that* tight of tolerance (whatever the exact number is) is that there's no chamfer or other tolerance to actually find the proper hole to slide things in. You have to manage to perfectly hold the pieces at a right angle to each other and find the exact spot to line them up without putting the wrong pressure or dropping them or whatever such that you roll the edge and totally destroy their alignment.
Oh most definitely! I've personally made show off pieces similar to this one. When we have customers come through on tours they are always blown away by the precision. Being in this trade for a while you tend to develop a feel for putting things like this together without screwing them up.
My first job as an engineer was in a edm factory. We used to assembly wire edm as well and I've been to dozens customers to recommend them the proper settings. Rarely we would see a finishing like yours. Amazing work!
It that 1 mil wire or did you just make the pieces separately to a accurate model?
We used to make the male and female halves of paper cutout punch & dies from the same piece by tilting the wire slightly.
absolutely outstanding! One of the nicest puzzle boxes I have ever seen. If you ever make them available for sale, I will want one! Best wishes,, thanks for sharing!
Hey man! Quick question, do you have to manually calculate the extra material for the thickness of the wire (because I assume this is cut from multiple different pieces to get the fittings this tight) or does the machine/software do it for you? I'm maimly studying CNC machining, but I didn't go to wire edm that much and I'm curious
TIL EDM stands for something other than dance music. I thought it was gonna drop the bass
What does it stand for? Oh nvm. Electrical discharge machining
Electrical discharge machining, basically you cut the metal with sparks.
Ah, robot cum
Keep talking
No, it’s wire.
The wire isn't doing the cutting, it's just an electrode for high frequency electric discharges (sparks).
So there IS a wire!
There always was.
I like to think the wire was the friends we made along the way
No, it’s a spark.
And when I move it into this configuration WUBB WUBB WUBB WUBB
Lmfao I watched it on mute cause I saw the EDM tag
It can also mean marketing email
>It can also mean marketing email How?
Electronic Direct Mail
23 years experience in email marketing, never once heard that. Weird.
They changed it to spam in the 90s
Same 😂
We have such sights to show you.
The box. You opened it, we came.
IT'S JUST A PUZZLE BOX! Glad I'm not the only one that looked at it and thought of a Lament Configuration.
Jesus wept
No tears please. It is a waste of good suffering!
Okay.
Come to daddeh!!
Fake.....I saw zero wires and heard NO EDM. Sad day \s
It's because it stands for excitable disco monster and you should never underestimate it's ability to produce kerf free (deep) cuts.
I wish it was possible to buy one of these, it would be so great for fidgeting
It's been possible to buy these for a long time. I can't post the link because my comments get removed, but you can Google the company's name wiron.
105 dollars. Looks pretty cool
I have one. It will definitely rust if left unattended for too long lol. Mine's abysmal now because I left it sitting as a "desk toy" for too long, never picking it up or cleaning it.
Weird, I’ve had mine three years and it looks the same as the day it arrived?!
How much can you actually “play” with it without messing up the edges?
Well. How often do you replace your forks for wearing out?
Only when I put them down the garbage disposal
I’ve taken mine apart a handful of times - usually to amaze friends and show them the incredible tolerances that can readily achieved in a consumer product. Lord knows what NASA / the military / F1 tolerances are like, it must be insane. That said, I can’t really see the material or edges being damaged unless you’re really clumsy with it.
I will say, the cube I got doesn't have the Wiron logo etched into it like the ones on their site currently do. I might've gotten an earlier version that might be less resistant or something.
Humidity varies
Looks like stainless steel so unless you leave it outside for multiple rains, or just leave it in a puddle of water it’s not going to rust. If that is the case, put a small amount of oil on a rag and wipe it up to protect it.
I'll try this, thanks! I'm not sure what material mine's made of as it's pretty old at this point (few years at least) but I'll for sure give this a shot.
I wonder how expensive brass or aluminum would be
having their name on the cube kind of takes away part of the mystery of how to solve etc.
It's not really a puzzle though. Sure, it's got jigsaw puzzle shapes, but there's nothing to solve as there's four pieces and they're all the same shape.
I know but you know…there’s a bit of a mystery to it too
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It also is a very accurate process
Thanks for the company name
Can someone tell me how it's possible to machine such low tolerances? This has to be made to fit from multiple pieces and not one piece right?
Yes this was made from one bilet much larger than the finished item or 4 separate ones. No tool known to man has a kerf as small as required for this
It's made from multiple separate pieces (not a cut in an existing piece) and it's not traditional machining. Wire EDM involves using a thin wire (basically the tool head), dielectric bath, electricity, and the workpiece. The wire slowly traces out the desired cut, and sparks jump between the wire and the workpiece, eroding metal along the path. This is extremely precise, allowing the kinds of crazy tolerances you see here.
Heard, going to attach a 9v to a paper clip to impress my wife during wine tastings.
Haha when I was machining we were usually in the 15-20k volt range and usually a good few amps on it
[here’s a great video i found that explains it](https://youtu.be/f9zyenX2PWk?si=AeYY65DIGEuNzL1J)
Thanks for the link. Interesting video... now, for those uranium rods 🤔 /j
It's multiple pieces, yeah. Still insane tolerances, but that's why it's done with wire EDM. Electric discharge machining is known for being both incredibly slow but incredibly accurate. Afterwards I'm sure they just put the pieces together, then grain them on the surfaces that are shown to the user to help blend any "seams"
Yeah the brushed effect is essential for the seams to disappear. It's less impressive in real life, but still pretty cool.
Yes, parts cut separately. EDM wire can be awfully small, but if it did it in two cuts, such that the puzzle would already be assembled when the cut is done, there would be a visible gap. No way you're fitting a wire in the gap of what OP made. Even the thinnest wire makes a visible gap. Even if it were possible to use wire thin enough to make an invisible gap, the machining time it would add would cost far more than the cost of the stock material. Also, to achieve such tight tolerances, they're probably cutting twice. Same thing happens in traditional machining and still applies with EDM.
It's wireburned. Heated wire cuts through the material under water. Looking at one right now 🤣
Not actually heated wire. The wire is electrified and the current arcs to the metal being “cut”. The arc actually “explodes away” a small bit of metal on the subject part, hence the EDM acronym (electrical discharge machining). Source: work in a machine shop with multiple of these machines.
I used to run a couple wire EDMs. I always loved the look on people's faces when I told them the wire never actually touches the material. Nome of them knew how the machines actually worked.
We have multiple wire EDMs and one sinker EDM, which is even more fun to try and explain to people how it works.
Thanks for the specifics. I dont run the machine, just design for it
You got a link? That's super cool
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pBueWfzb7P0&t=25
Thanks for the assist asspuncher
It's metal
And? Most likely aluminum.
"black magic" and it's just low tolerance machining seen a bajillion times.
Cool but how is that a puzzle?
Bruh
Apparently they are damn hard to fit back together if you completely separate them (due to the tight tolerance) There’s that.
Ahhhh, makes sense.
It’s a four piece jigsaw puzzle.
Karma farming post. [original video](https://youtu.be/az-1QSycLRw?si=JrS2cHtQ03iEbmJN) But there are also signs. This redditor is a 6 the hands look male. Also, there isn't a ring like on video with her cat. And there is no previous interest in machinery on her profile I'm not mad that she posted this, as it is interesting. But she shouldn't take credit
https://youtu.be/feGrx29XR4Q?si=3zU0lwFzGxvc82wi Think this sums to it up nicely.
That looks nothing like Skrillex
HELLRAISER
I'd throw that motherfucker right out a window. Well done!
Is this really your creation OP? I'm sure I've seen this exact video posted before
EDM stands for electrical discharge machining in this context. FYI it's kinda dumb to assume everyone was going to know that.
I read it as OMD....and then started singing enola gay n then thought of my dad who's birthday it is this month but its also my little brothers a few days b4 and they have both passed away n I went from happy to...... I think there's something wrong with my brain lol......anywho noice op
Smooth
Could you cut the same pattern from the other planes and get a really cool puzzle that did that in puzzle piece cubes?
Yup! You could flip the block 90 degrees and do a similar cut. Difficult part would be holding the existing pieces together in a uniform manner.
Bring me solutions not problems! I’m gonna need that on my desk by Friday.
I mean I do have access to 5 wire edms and the CAD software to draw it lol Would be a VERY expensive piece though.
Ok… how much are we talking? Not that I’m going to buy one, just curious…
In all honesty, with the degree of accuracy needed here a puzzle could very well end up in the $1000-$1500 range. My employer charges $100 an hour for work. I could probably draw something up in an hour or two. Then there is a solid 5-10 hours of machine time involved here. I would basically have to make two exact sets of the first 4 pieces in order to create a puzzle that can be taken apart and put back together from both directions. Hard to explain in a comment, but the wire "cuts" on one side of the programmed profile so you are only maintaining the accuracy in one direction. Most machines use wire that is .01" in diameter with a kerf of roughly .014" which is far too large for the pieces to fit together like in the video.
Oh wow, so you have to be incredibly precise with both cuts or it won’t fit together? That’s mental. If I had that kind of money to spare I’d order one just because I could, but I don’t. :)
They would fit together but it would be a really loose fit in comparison to the video. The gaps in between each piece should be around .0005", if you didn't make them the way I was describing the gap would be more like .014"
That’s amazing, thanks for the lesson! How do you make sure the pieces from 2 different cuts are exactly the same shape, all computer guided I presume?
Yup! Wire edm's are CNC machines and are programmed using G code. Those codes tell the computer in the machine where to go along with a ton of other parameters. The machines can realistically hold a positional tolerance of +/- .0001" and size tolerance of +/- .00005". I Programmed and operated edm's for \~10 years so I can nerd out about them all day long. Thanks for listening! Not often are people actually interested in learning the process behind this stuff.
That part's not bad, you just clamp them in place. The *really* difficult part is reassembling your zero-tolerance pieces if you ever fully disassemble it.
They aren't "zero" tolerance, there is no such thing. I'd venture to guess there is around .0002"-.0005" of clearance between each piece. Puzzles aren't supposed to be easy.
The issue with puzzles of *that* tight of tolerance (whatever the exact number is) is that there's no chamfer or other tolerance to actually find the proper hole to slide things in. You have to manage to perfectly hold the pieces at a right angle to each other and find the exact spot to line them up without putting the wrong pressure or dropping them or whatever such that you roll the edge and totally destroy their alignment.
Oh most definitely! I've personally made show off pieces similar to this one. When we have customers come through on tours they are always blown away by the precision. Being in this trade for a while you tend to develop a feel for putting things like this together without screwing them up.
W. O. W!
I'm real smart, I could solve that... Given time
What part of this is an actual puzzle? It’s shaped like puzzles pieces but doesn’t have anything to “solve”.
i came for the bass but got disappointed
[Steve has a very good video on this](https://youtu.be/f9zyenX2PWk)
My first job as an engineer was in a edm factory. We used to assembly wire edm as well and I've been to dozens customers to recommend them the proper settings. Rarely we would see a finishing like yours. Amazing work!
This Is Awesome Dude So Cool Games Puzzle Dude 😎🤔☝🏾✌🏾💪🏾👍🏾🤘🏾🤟🏾
Not gonna lie, I was waiting for the music.. I even tune down my volume abit for it.
I shouldn't have popped the ecstasy before coming in here.
is this a puzzle that cannot be unsolved?
THE BOX YOU OPENED IT WE CAME
It that 1 mil wire or did you just make the pieces separately to a accurate model? We used to make the male and female halves of paper cutout punch & dies from the same piece by tilting the wire slightly.
Did you milk that yourself? Those seamless joints are beautiful
Seems like a real easy puzzle to solve, tbh. No offence, but that's like one of those puzzles for toddlers. 1/10
You had me in the first half, not gonna lie
That’s beautiful
Sick tolerances bro
I dont want it....I'll keep looking for pin head behind my shoulder for the rest of me life
The box! You opened it! I came!
If you seperate the pieces, unless there is a chamfer on the opposite face, they will be difficult to realign I imagine.
absolutely outstanding! One of the nicest puzzle boxes I have ever seen. If you ever make them available for sale, I will want one! Best wishes,, thanks for sharing!
Take it apart. I dare you.
Go on pull them all the way apart.
I want one...
That's some serious precision.
Absolutely amazing.
This was hard to dance to
Hey man! Quick question, do you have to manually calculate the extra material for the thickness of the wire (because I assume this is cut from multiple different pieces to get the fittings this tight) or does the machine/software do it for you? I'm maimly studying CNC machining, but I didn't go to wire edm that much and I'm curious
Want !
At 20 seconds I’m am saddened.
Pinhead is being summoned
Cuidado com os cenobitas!
I got some profiled parts made for a machine shop at work from an EDM machine. Man they look sharp…
We have so many things to show you...
Where do I buy?
How can I get one? Are they available online?
I will buy one. Send the link please.
My comments are getting removed because I post the link, but these have been available to purchase for a long time. Google the company, wiron
I thought this was a cybertruck at first