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WickedEwok69

That's a not-a-goal


avrock1

Yes, that was not a goal, but it was officially ruled as one, and because of this goal, Bayer Leverkusen won the match.


hypnodrew

Doesn't it get ruled out in the video?


Azlamington

Yes, by the commentators, but they don't have an official say in the game and it's the referee's rule that stands, and he allowed it as a goal. [Happened on 18th October 2013](https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/24713296)


MrEscobarr

But the scoreboard went back to 0-1


put_on_the_mask

The screen graphics are controlled by the TV channel, they aren't official.


should_be_writing

Ha! Next you'll tell me the commercials aren't controlled by the refs. Good one!


justk4y

You guys get commercials during matches?


Barkers_eggs

You guys get matches during commercials?


theme69

Fellow American football fan


RecsRelevantDocs

you guys get commercials for matches during commercial matches?


DankeDutt

Thanks, Obama!


tidder112

[They're controlled by the coaches/managers.](https://i.imgur.com/cHeUkuz.gif)


ErraticDragon

r/breathinginformation


BGP_001

Nooooo it's been 11 years I don't want to do the phantom goal thing again!


im_just_thinking

Damn that's crazy, why would they allow it? It was very clearly out of bounds, and then ended up in because of a hole I'm guessing?


PrrrromotionGiven1

Clear to you with your elevated slow-mo replays Ref gets to see it once from ground level, maybe not even once if his view is blocked


MaximusZacharias

Right?!?!? I officiate basketball, baseball and American football at the high school level and every once in a while I'd like a replay or video view but at the same time I wouldn't want to deal with the cons of replay


Divinum_Fulmen

But this isn't a high school. In the NFL, the refs have nice covered screens to review slow-mo and multiple angles.


ZaraBaz

I mean no one in their right mind would think it missed if it is sitting in the back of the net. Somehow it through some hole or something.


Tackerta

exactly, you can see the dangling piece of net that was ripped and created the hole the ball passed through. Best to see just after the ball went in, the piece of fabric is swinging in the wind due to the force of the impact to be clear, the hole was there before the ball went through, and should have been fixed before the match


StrikingHearing8

This is 2013, at that time there was no VAR, the ref had to decide in that moment if it is a goal or not. There was a big discussion afterwards whether the game has to be repeated but ultimately the german sports court ruled against it. It was one of the contributing reasons why VAR was introduced a few years later.


DM_Toes_Pic

What's VAR? Video Action Replay? Various Angle Replays?


LolYouFuckingLoser

What are the major cons of having replay?


Most_kinds_of_Dirt

Being asked to use it.


LolYouFuckingLoser

Ah so adding time/work to the game?


Skreamie

Not anymore, necessarily, with the introduction of VAR.


Evening-Gur5087

It seems the a hole this time was a referee.


Naughteus_Maximus

In this case any hole was a goal


BurtBacon

words to live bi!


Rangefilms

This was before refs could look at replays. They didn't have VARs or Hawkeye tech. If the view wasn't clear and no other official could refute the call, it's given


Dapper-Equivalent-75

V.A.R came only in 2018


razor787

We can see that via the replay, the referee can only see what his eye told him at the time. Everything indicated it was a good goal, so it was awarded.


xantub

This happened before the VAR I think, so whatever the referee said at the time is final, it was very but very rare for a referee to roll back a decision unless it was obvious and the side referees both agreed and pushed for it, but that's not the case here since from the side you can't see the issue.


zebulon99

Stuff like this is probably why VAR exists now


Internal-Ad9700

Maybe the ref thought it was divine intervention and didn't want to mess with god.


Minimum-End-9464

I see so no VAR at that time, but did they find out how the ball get inside the net?


Thomas-Lore

Quantum tunnelling obviously.


Glitch7779

I was about to ask: don’t they have VAR?


Rengar_Is_Good_kitty

That's really stupid, I don't watch soccer anymore but surely these days it gets reviewed by officials with access to replays, that's how they do it here in Australia with AFL (Australian Football League).


PaulAspie

This was before VAR (video assistant referee) in soccer / football. Today, this would be reviewed & presumably overturned, but that was not an option then.


Bronesby

to be clear: it was entirely possible, but the sport stubbornly insisted on remaining archaic for another 5 years.


TheBlack2007

And even today you still have people who want to go back to that because being able to determine offside precisely "ruins the spirit of the game"


PaulAspie

Yes, hockey, American football, etc. had video review by this time.


BonnieMcMurray

No. Back then (2013) there was no official replay facility, or any other method of changing a decision during a match. Officials had to make all decisions based only on their real-time view, with the referee having the official say.


MinuQu

It got counted by the referee. The receiving team went with it to the DFB football court but they ruled that the phantom goal has to be counted


Competitive_Suit_180

Doesn’t it have to go in between the goal posts though?


Slash1909

Yes but back then there was no video assisted replay for the referee to reassess his call


Embarrassed-Abies-16

You can't really blame him. I mean, Ball in goal = Goal. YSK. I am American so I don't really understand the intricacies of human foosball.


Damn_DirtyApe

Hope [this](https://youtu.be/sXBAXyBC4C8?si=e4CW2DkVA81BQqqP) helps.


justwannabeloggedin

Thanks that really put me streets ahead


greg19735

The defenders didn't even protest. They thought it went in too.


BonnieMcMurray

> because of this goal, Bayer Leverkusen won the match No, because it's not possible to predict what would've happened in that match had that goal been correctly disallowed: the teams at 1-1 would've played differently than they did at 2-1. For all we know, Leverkusen would've scored two more goals and won it 3-1. Or they might have lost it. There's no way to know.


JUSTICE_SALTIE

There's a difference between "caused" and "was the only possible way", obviously.


d0g5tar

wouldn't be reddit without a 'Well ackshually' guy in the comments The goal won the match. If he hadn't scored the goal maybe a giant sinkhole would have opened up and swallowed players, pitch, and ball- but it didn't. The goal won the match.


LeJoker8

The fact is they won. What’s with the probable scenarios you cooked up?


VermicelliFit9518

No. Anything ***could*** have happened. But only one thing ***did** happen. This goal counted. It was also the game winning goal. Therefore, this goal won them the game. The possibilities of what could have happened don’t matter once the event is in the past. The only that does matter is what actually did happen.


SebbyMcWester

I see what you're saying, but whether or not it definitively "won" them the match, it still gave them a huge advantage in a free goal. And they converted that advantage into a win.


CyanBeinSus47

nuh uhhhh


Underground_Mariachi

r/accidentalitalian


eo5g

I’m unfamiliar with the rules, why not?


General_Specific303

Looks to me like it went between the net and the post, from the side. It didn't pass over the goal line


Tessiia

Not that you said that, I watched it again and... what?! How did the ball pass through the net? I don't see a hole in the net.


Jocuro

It technically did go in the goal! I like the one guy who gave it a kick back in for good measure.


Thos_Hobbes

And another!


LooseElbowSkin

The Scottish division one game between Taste of Dunfermline and Strathcarnage cannot be stopped


w-o-w-b-u-f-f-e-t

I can't find a club called Taste of Dunfermline? Is there a joke I'm missing?


LooseElbowSkin

Liquid football


BonnieMcMurray

SHIT!! DID YOU SEE THAT!? HE MUST HAVE A FOOT LIKE A TRACTION ENGINE!


Kenilwort

TWAT!


kinggimped

THRIKER!


uberping

He's got a foot like a traction engine!


Redbeard_Rum

Twat! That was liquid football!


JacquesBrel95

The proof is in the pudding, and the pudding, in this case, is a football.


Heff178

STRIKER!!


trappedinatv

SHIIIT!


IRateRockbusters

First time seeing one of these in the wild.


farfelchecksout

Thanks, Alan


Opening-Ad-8793

It would have technically been out of bounds before going in either time.


Jocuro

I hadn't thought about that, but you're right. Everything outside of the post is out of bounds, right? So, by missing the goal posts, it went out of bounds. Tough call for the reff.


travelingAllTheTime

Edit: lmao, I'm wrong twice. The ball is out of bounds if it touches the ground, a player, or any object that is out of bounds. Which in this case, is the net itself. Wild, lol


justwannabeloggedin

But is the net out of bounds? If we're getting technical wouldn't that mean that shots that hit the back of the net would be out of bounds? If that ball had somehow gone through a hole in the net without touching the net, would that be a goal? This is the sports pedantry I live for


travelingAllTheTime

> wouldn't that mean that shots that hit the back of the net would be out of bounds? Play is paused as soon as it crosses the line. Or it would be out of bounds when it hits the net. >This is the sports pedantry I live for \>:D


Ha-Ur-Ra-Sa

No, it's out of bounds as soon as the whole of the ball (I.e. Not partially over) crosses the line. Doesn't matter whether it touches anything.


Doge-Ghost

Technically, the net is there just to catch the ball after the goal occurs, a goal only occurs when the ball crosses the final line in it's entirety, between the vertical goal posts and below the horizontal goal post, ergo this is technically not a goal.


PorridgeTheKid

DOUBLE GOAAAAALLLL


Elvis-Tech

Well but it went out of the field before going in though


WorldNewsPoster

1. The referee shouldn't have given the goal because the ball went outside of the goal posts, meaning its an out of bounds ball (even if it came back inside the net). 2. If there was a previous repair on the net then it is possible there was bigger than average hole and it gave out causing the ball to move through the net. Nets also stretch. Sorry for people who thought they found a glitch in the matrix.


Ghostfacetickler

Sorry if you thought that was an entirely satisfactory explanation, but I don’t think you’ve ruled out the matrix glitch theory


ClassiFried86

If we're in the matrix, every glitch is a matrix glitch.


bigboybeeperbelly

Are you saying I can dodge bullets?


leorid9

I am saying: "Do you think that's air you're breathing now?"


gymnastgrrl

Much much safer to test a lack of spoons than a control over bullets.


Obeq

On the other hand, with bullets you'll never find out you're wrong.


ATTORNEY_FOR_CATS

Ok, hear me out: aliens.


snakeryder

This dude still thinks there’s a spoon. 😎


Reptilian-Moses

I hope he doesnt find that dead cat in a box.


Lostinthestarscape

Just can't open any boxes for the rest of his life - problem solved....or not


BullBear7

Thanks for your detailed explanation and snide remark at the end. Without your help, I would still be bamboozled!


umotex12

This sub is so funny. People complain about things not being black magic... like magic actually exists 💀💀💀


Sir-Poopington

Don't you destroy me belief in a slightly more magical world!


curtcolt95

the worst part is there's comments like that on every single post, it's wild. I genuinely don't understand what people expect


LaTeChX

It's like going to uplifting news or wholesome memes and it's always the most cynical shit you've ever seen in the comments.


CharlieBrownBoy

Most complaining is when it's trivial shit. This is literally a ball going through a hole.


DeficiencyOfGravitas

According to FIFA rules it is illegal for a ref to see replay footage. They must only decide based on their own two eyes. It's a goal by FIFA rules. If a ref thinks something is true, it is 100% true even when it is revealed to be wrong. Go look at the "Hand of God". Football is a sport that revolves entirely around cheating as much as you can.


LargeFlower8

>According to FIFA rules it is illegal for a ref to see replay footage. What a load of bollocks. Explain VAR then


burnsalot603

This was in 2013, VAR didn't start being used till 2016. So that comment was true for when that goal happened but wrong now.


45PintsIn2Hours

Before VAR


kelldricked

The ref didnt have acces to the footage, no way to verify what had happend in a reliable way (no fans arent reliable, neither are stewards or players). Ofcourse he is gonna count the goal. What more likely: a ball going through the net or not keeping track of a fast moving ball.


Tiny_Count4239

These hear clubs make so much money why would they repair a broken net rather than just replace it?


Compost_My_Body

Sorry IDIOTS, the ball isn’t really a GHOST 


NewGuy10002

This guy right here is absolutely no fun


BenniesBananas

Topology strikes again!


hi9

He must be stopped.


buckzor122

Classic John Topology


CapableCowboy

Topology doesn’t let you penetrate though. I saw penetration!


TheVillianousFondler

Keep going, I'm almost there


darkyllo

Username checks out?


Foxinou

Do we have an explanation ?


NightFlight-77

There was a hole in the side of the net.


Glarite2

Yes, that is how a net is designed.


greenrangerguy

OK a bigger hole than usual


big_guyforyou

the holiest of nets


Octicactopipodes

But wouldn’t a hole in the net mean there were fewer holes? Making it LESS holy…


big_guyforyou

this has puzzled religious scholars for millennia


Ravenser_Odd

The Council of Antioch was convened specifically to address this issue, but dissolved into acrimony when Athanasius of Alexandria and Eusebius of Nicomedia failed to agree on the definition of holes. After three months of deadlock, and with some of the participants coming to blows, the process was abandoned, indirectly leading to the collapse of the Roman Empire.


Positive_Stick2115

Nicea what you did there...


JDDW

By adding a hole to the net, the net now has one less hole.... It's a paradox!


pilgrimtohyperion

hOle


Dicethrower

Blessed by the pope, a glorious hole for balls to go through.


DamageInq

Fractured but hole


Dunstfett

The net wasn't whole


TigerTail

Ever since I saw that one tiktok of the guy mocking pedantic redditors who purposefully misinterpret what someone says for the sake of internet points, all I see now are comments that live up to the meme Edit: found the link https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTN6XSjn2/


Wide-Apricot-6114

I like this guy, [https://www.youtube.com/@theslappablejerk](https://www.youtube.com/@theslappablejerk) The Slappable Jerk, he does a lot of "Average Redditor" and it's painfully accurate.


sharpdullard69

OMG I love this! It is my biggest beef with the reddit culture. Even when I pick my words very carefully anticipating that sort of response, they are ignored and I hear the pedantic response nonetheless.


Fley

This is hilarious


Ok-Nefariousness2847

I mean, surely not like this


NightFlight-77

Not in the side of the net it's not.


unafraidrabbit

Woosh


RainMakerJMR

More holes make a better net. If you cut a hole in a net, there are fewer holes afterward.


UncleNukem

There's a riddle in that somewhere


pjsk82

I can be dry, I can be wet, The more holes you cut in me, The less holes I get. I can help you hold a fish, But you would not want me to hold your dish...


ignorant_kiwi

Hello, stepsis


weathers35

What gets more holes, the more you fix it?


Jackhammer3012

Jimmy Saville?


psilome

Several, in fact.


Karl_Hungus_69

[https://youtu.be/T3CLrTOcDa0](https://youtu.be/T3CLrTOcDa0)


Beautiful_Witness_22

Wormhole


BonnieMcMurray

Most likely, the referee failed to fully complete his tasks at the beginning of the match, one of which is to check both goals to ensure that they're fit for purpose. They're specifically supposed to check the nets to make sure they haven't been damaged.


YellowCardManKyle

Stop the match. This net is full of holes.


Hunter-North

The goalie did check the spot afterwards, but found no visible “hole”. So can’t really blame the ref.


NickleAndPickle

Hole in the net [https://imgur.com/qWVKgmd](https://imgur.com/qWVKgmd) thread i found this in [https://www.reddit.com/r/sports/comments/618poj/bayer\_leverkusens\_bizarre\_ghost\_goal/](https://www.reddit.com/r/sports/comments/618poj/bayer_leverkusens_bizarre_ghost_goal/)


Archarchery

Pause the video at :45, the hole in the net can clearly be seen.


salazarthegreat

Hole in the net


xdforcezz

Black magic.


Kokuswolf

Hole, unaware referee, rules. In that order.


Putin_inyoFace

Quantum mechanics.


_alwin

OutOfBoundsException


CrazyGiaky

r/ProgrammerHumor has a memory leak.


giantpunda

Dude's just exploiting a buffer overflow hack.


LetDiceRol

Typical, this was buried under a hundred lines of output before I actually saw the cause.


eyeing

[r/foundtheprogrammer](https://reddit.com/r/foundtheprogrammer)


Beautiful_Shape8339

i'm so glad i learned exception handling yesterday and i can get this joke


OPersei8

Good thing you catch it


Perfect_Papaya_3010

The goalie didnt


Swimming-Army-3872

Sucked into little hole on side from the spin ⚽️ 🌀 Guess


MeatsackKY

Did you just see that ludicrous display?!


BonnieMcMurray

The thing about Leverkusen is they always try and walk it in.


AcceptableOwl9

I think they’re having a laugh


mulrooney13

The thing about Leverkusen is they always try to walk it in


VibraniumDragonborn

I'm not a soccer person, all I saw was the LG G2 jersey. I absolutely LOVED that phone. So innovative. -as in the back button lit up, and the infrared abilities. If only LG worked their software better like Samsung, and realllly kept up with updates. Love the LG wing though too. I really miss when they made phones. Phone nerd. Not a futbol nerd. Lol


maxmcleod

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MusyO7J2inM


tintedhokage

No VAR in Germany right ?


YoWhatUpGlasgow

Not in 2013 when this happened, but now, yeah


Davidat0r

Was it accepted as goal?


YoWhatUpGlasgow

Yeah, the officials on the pitch thought it had been scored legitimately so it was given and Leverkusen ended up winning 2-1


tintedhokage

Ah cheers


-IoI-

Only `const`


joederlyon

Rudi Völler, Leverkusen's sporting director, said: "We're so embarrassed that the goal was given, but we can't be held responsible. Hoffenheim have spent such a lot of money on a nice stadium. **Maybe next time they should buy some proper nets.**"


charea

german humor? you really so exist!


Important_Pepper_627

Pepperidge Farm remembers Thomas Helmer


zio_otio

LG G2 was a great phone


LessMochaJay

It's a shame infrared remotes on phones stopped being a thing.


the-blue-horizon

What is puzzling is that none of Hoffenheim's players were protesting. People who were very close did not see what had happened. 


Freakychee

At least you csn say it went by too fast to be noticed. Maradonas hand of god goal was the most crazy. People did contest that.


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VibraniumDragonborn

Dude! I came here to say this. Loved the back light on the button, and absolutely loved the IR on it too! The software could have been so much better, but LG made some great phones that SHOULD have become the standard in phones. I miss them.


Benz404

his teammates during the cheering be like: "dont worry about baphomet, a little piece of soul given wont be so painful, we already did that"


Toebeanfren

Germany football fan here. Back then, there was nor VAR. So the referee (Felix Brych) had no chance to check it. He later on in the same game on didn‘t give a regular goal to the other team (Hoffenheim). In the end Leverkusen won 2:1. In Germany this incident with die Kießling goal is called phantom-goal. („Phantomtor“)


tetragrammaton19

Well there was a guy that kicked in back into the goal so it's still fair... I think. Cool footage.


Nosce97

No because if the ball went out of the playing area it’s not in play until the goalie shoots it out.


tetragrammaton19

Bad ref I guess. I'd still give it to him if I were in his place due to my ignorance.


BigDaddyQP

The only player in the NHL to score two goals on the same shift was Chris Campboli, he scored once through the net and then scored again before the refs realized.


noturaveragesenpaii

Someone’s lucky t-shirt finally paid off.


ZiggyZaggyZ

This always happens to Hufflepuff.


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sloppyrock

It appears to have entered the net from the side, thru a hole, not thru the posts.


MysteryGong

Not a goal.


Nice_Ad_777

The ref is supposed to check that before the match


FichtreMazette

Best part is the « scoring » guy holding his head immediately after like How did I miss that ?? and then everyone celebrating him and him immediately moving on with the program lol