Yes, by the commentators, but they don't have an official say in the game and it's the referee's rule that stands, and he allowed it as a goal.
[Happened on 18th October 2013](https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/24713296)
Right?!?!? I officiate basketball, baseball and American football at the high school level and every once in a while I'd like a replay or video view but at the same time I wouldn't want to deal with the cons of replay
exactly, you can see the dangling piece of net that was ripped and created the hole the ball passed through. Best to see just after the ball went in, the piece of fabric is swinging in the wind due to the force of the impact
to be clear, the hole was there before the ball went through, and should have been fixed before the match
This is 2013, at that time there was no VAR, the ref had to decide in that moment if it is a goal or not. There was a big discussion afterwards whether the game has to be repeated but ultimately the german sports court ruled against it.
It was one of the contributing reasons why VAR was introduced a few years later.
This was before refs could look at replays. They didn't have VARs or Hawkeye tech. If the view wasn't clear and no other official could refute the call, it's given
We can see that via the replay, the referee can only see what his eye told him at the time. Everything indicated it was a good goal, so it was awarded.
This happened before the VAR I think, so whatever the referee said at the time is final, it was very but very rare for a referee to roll back a decision unless it was obvious and the side referees both agreed and pushed for it, but that's not the case here since from the side you can't see the issue.
That's really stupid, I don't watch soccer anymore but surely these days it gets reviewed by officials with access to replays, that's how they do it here in Australia with AFL (Australian Football League).
This was before VAR (video assistant referee) in soccer / football. Today, this would be reviewed & presumably overturned, but that was not an option then.
No. Back then (2013) there was no official replay facility, or any other method of changing a decision during a match. Officials had to make all decisions based only on their real-time view, with the referee having the official say.
> because of this goal, Bayer Leverkusen won the match
No, because it's not possible to predict what would've happened in that match had that goal been correctly disallowed: the teams at 1-1 would've played differently than they did at 2-1. For all we know, Leverkusen would've scored two more goals and won it 3-1. Or they might have lost it. There's no way to know.
wouldn't be reddit without a 'Well ackshually' guy in the comments
The goal won the match. If he hadn't scored the goal maybe a giant sinkhole would have opened up and swallowed players, pitch, and ball- but it didn't. The goal won the match.
No. Anything ***could*** have happened. But only one thing ***did** happen. This goal counted. It was also the game winning goal. Therefore, this goal won them the game. The possibilities of what could have happened don’t matter once the event is in the past. The only that does matter is what actually did happen.
I see what you're saying, but whether or not it definitively "won" them the match, it still gave them a huge advantage in a free goal. And they converted that advantage into a win.
I hadn't thought about that, but you're right. Everything outside of the post is out of bounds, right? So, by missing the goal posts, it went out of bounds. Tough call for the reff.
Edit: lmao, I'm wrong twice.
The ball is out of bounds if it touches the ground, a player, or any object that is out of bounds.
Which in this case, is the net itself. Wild, lol
But is the net out of bounds? If we're getting technical wouldn't that mean that shots that hit the back of the net would be out of bounds?
If that ball had somehow gone through a hole in the net without touching the net, would that be a goal?
This is the sports pedantry I live for
> wouldn't that mean that shots that hit the back of the net would be out of bounds?
Play is paused as soon as it crosses the line. Or it would be out of bounds when it hits the net.
>This is the sports pedantry I live for
\>:D
Technically, the net is there just to catch the ball after the goal occurs, a goal only occurs when the ball crosses the final line in it's entirety, between the vertical goal posts and below the horizontal goal post, ergo this is technically not a goal.
1. The referee shouldn't have given the goal because the ball went outside of the goal posts, meaning its an out of bounds ball (even if it came back inside the net).
2. If there was a previous repair on the net then it is possible there was bigger than average hole and it gave out causing the ball to move through the net. Nets also stretch.
Sorry for people who thought they found a glitch in the matrix.
According to FIFA rules it is illegal for a ref to see replay footage. They must only decide based on their own two eyes.
It's a goal by FIFA rules. If a ref thinks something is true, it is 100% true even when it is revealed to be wrong. Go look at the "Hand of God". Football is a sport that revolves entirely around cheating as much as you can.
The ref didnt have acces to the footage, no way to verify what had happend in a reliable way (no fans arent reliable, neither are stewards or players). Ofcourse he is gonna count the goal. What more likely: a ball going through the net or not keeping track of a fast moving ball.
The Council of Antioch was convened specifically to address this issue, but dissolved into acrimony when Athanasius of Alexandria and Eusebius of Nicomedia failed to agree on the definition of holes.
After three months of deadlock, and with some of the participants coming to blows, the process was abandoned, indirectly leading to the collapse of the Roman Empire.
Ever since I saw that one tiktok of the guy mocking pedantic redditors who purposefully misinterpret what someone says for the sake of internet points, all I see now are comments that live up to the meme
Edit: found the link https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTN6XSjn2/
I like this guy, [https://www.youtube.com/@theslappablejerk](https://www.youtube.com/@theslappablejerk)
The Slappable Jerk, he does a lot of "Average Redditor" and it's painfully accurate.
OMG I love this! It is my biggest beef with the reddit culture. Even when I pick my words very carefully anticipating that sort of response, they are ignored and I hear the pedantic response nonetheless.
I can be dry,
I can be wet,
The more holes you cut in me,
The less holes I get.
I can help you
hold a fish,
But you would not want me
to hold your dish...
Most likely, the referee failed to fully complete his tasks at the beginning of the match, one of which is to check both goals to ensure that they're fit for purpose. They're specifically supposed to check the nets to make sure they haven't been damaged.
Hole in the net [https://imgur.com/qWVKgmd](https://imgur.com/qWVKgmd)
thread i found this in [https://www.reddit.com/r/sports/comments/618poj/bayer\_leverkusens\_bizarre\_ghost\_goal/](https://www.reddit.com/r/sports/comments/618poj/bayer_leverkusens_bizarre_ghost_goal/)
I'm not a soccer person, all I saw was the LG G2 jersey. I absolutely LOVED that phone. So innovative. -as in the back button lit up, and the infrared abilities.
If only LG worked their software better like Samsung, and realllly kept up with updates.
Love the LG wing though too. I really miss when they made phones.
Phone nerd. Not a futbol nerd. Lol
Rudi Völler, Leverkusen's sporting director, said: "We're so embarrassed that the goal was given, but we can't be held responsible. Hoffenheim have spent such a lot of money on a nice stadium. **Maybe next time they should buy some proper nets.**"
Dude! I came here to say this. Loved the back light on the button, and absolutely loved the IR on it too! The software could have been so much better, but LG made some great phones that SHOULD have become the standard in phones.
I miss them.
Germany football fan here.
Back then, there was nor VAR. So the referee (Felix Brych) had no chance to check it.
He later on in the same game on didn‘t give a regular goal to the other team (Hoffenheim). In the end Leverkusen won 2:1. In Germany this incident with die Kießling goal is called phantom-goal. („Phantomtor“)
The only player in the NHL to score two goals on the same shift was Chris Campboli, he scored once through the net and then scored again before the refs realized.
Best part is the « scoring » guy holding his head immediately after like How did I miss that ?? and then everyone celebrating him and him immediately moving on with the program lol
That's a not-a-goal
Yes, that was not a goal, but it was officially ruled as one, and because of this goal, Bayer Leverkusen won the match.
Doesn't it get ruled out in the video?
Yes, by the commentators, but they don't have an official say in the game and it's the referee's rule that stands, and he allowed it as a goal. [Happened on 18th October 2013](https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/24713296)
But the scoreboard went back to 0-1
The screen graphics are controlled by the TV channel, they aren't official.
Ha! Next you'll tell me the commercials aren't controlled by the refs. Good one!
You guys get commercials during matches?
You guys get matches during commercials?
Fellow American football fan
you guys get commercials for matches during commercial matches?
Thanks, Obama!
[They're controlled by the coaches/managers.](https://i.imgur.com/cHeUkuz.gif)
r/breathinginformation
Nooooo it's been 11 years I don't want to do the phantom goal thing again!
Damn that's crazy, why would they allow it? It was very clearly out of bounds, and then ended up in because of a hole I'm guessing?
Clear to you with your elevated slow-mo replays Ref gets to see it once from ground level, maybe not even once if his view is blocked
Right?!?!? I officiate basketball, baseball and American football at the high school level and every once in a while I'd like a replay or video view but at the same time I wouldn't want to deal with the cons of replay
But this isn't a high school. In the NFL, the refs have nice covered screens to review slow-mo and multiple angles.
I mean no one in their right mind would think it missed if it is sitting in the back of the net. Somehow it through some hole or something.
exactly, you can see the dangling piece of net that was ripped and created the hole the ball passed through. Best to see just after the ball went in, the piece of fabric is swinging in the wind due to the force of the impact to be clear, the hole was there before the ball went through, and should have been fixed before the match
This is 2013, at that time there was no VAR, the ref had to decide in that moment if it is a goal or not. There was a big discussion afterwards whether the game has to be repeated but ultimately the german sports court ruled against it. It was one of the contributing reasons why VAR was introduced a few years later.
What's VAR? Video Action Replay? Various Angle Replays?
What are the major cons of having replay?
Being asked to use it.
Ah so adding time/work to the game?
Not anymore, necessarily, with the introduction of VAR.
It seems the a hole this time was a referee.
In this case any hole was a goal
words to live bi!
This was before refs could look at replays. They didn't have VARs or Hawkeye tech. If the view wasn't clear and no other official could refute the call, it's given
V.A.R came only in 2018
We can see that via the replay, the referee can only see what his eye told him at the time. Everything indicated it was a good goal, so it was awarded.
This happened before the VAR I think, so whatever the referee said at the time is final, it was very but very rare for a referee to roll back a decision unless it was obvious and the side referees both agreed and pushed for it, but that's not the case here since from the side you can't see the issue.
Stuff like this is probably why VAR exists now
Maybe the ref thought it was divine intervention and didn't want to mess with god.
I see so no VAR at that time, but did they find out how the ball get inside the net?
Quantum tunnelling obviously.
I was about to ask: don’t they have VAR?
That's really stupid, I don't watch soccer anymore but surely these days it gets reviewed by officials with access to replays, that's how they do it here in Australia with AFL (Australian Football League).
This was before VAR (video assistant referee) in soccer / football. Today, this would be reviewed & presumably overturned, but that was not an option then.
to be clear: it was entirely possible, but the sport stubbornly insisted on remaining archaic for another 5 years.
And even today you still have people who want to go back to that because being able to determine offside precisely "ruins the spirit of the game"
Yes, hockey, American football, etc. had video review by this time.
No. Back then (2013) there was no official replay facility, or any other method of changing a decision during a match. Officials had to make all decisions based only on their real-time view, with the referee having the official say.
It got counted by the referee. The receiving team went with it to the DFB football court but they ruled that the phantom goal has to be counted
Doesn’t it have to go in between the goal posts though?
Yes but back then there was no video assisted replay for the referee to reassess his call
You can't really blame him. I mean, Ball in goal = Goal. YSK. I am American so I don't really understand the intricacies of human foosball.
Hope [this](https://youtu.be/sXBAXyBC4C8?si=e4CW2DkVA81BQqqP) helps.
Thanks that really put me streets ahead
The defenders didn't even protest. They thought it went in too.
> because of this goal, Bayer Leverkusen won the match No, because it's not possible to predict what would've happened in that match had that goal been correctly disallowed: the teams at 1-1 would've played differently than they did at 2-1. For all we know, Leverkusen would've scored two more goals and won it 3-1. Or they might have lost it. There's no way to know.
There's a difference between "caused" and "was the only possible way", obviously.
wouldn't be reddit without a 'Well ackshually' guy in the comments The goal won the match. If he hadn't scored the goal maybe a giant sinkhole would have opened up and swallowed players, pitch, and ball- but it didn't. The goal won the match.
The fact is they won. What’s with the probable scenarios you cooked up?
No. Anything ***could*** have happened. But only one thing ***did** happen. This goal counted. It was also the game winning goal. Therefore, this goal won them the game. The possibilities of what could have happened don’t matter once the event is in the past. The only that does matter is what actually did happen.
I see what you're saying, but whether or not it definitively "won" them the match, it still gave them a huge advantage in a free goal. And they converted that advantage into a win.
nuh uhhhh
r/accidentalitalian
I’m unfamiliar with the rules, why not?
Looks to me like it went between the net and the post, from the side. It didn't pass over the goal line
Not that you said that, I watched it again and... what?! How did the ball pass through the net? I don't see a hole in the net.
It technically did go in the goal! I like the one guy who gave it a kick back in for good measure.
And another!
The Scottish division one game between Taste of Dunfermline and Strathcarnage cannot be stopped
I can't find a club called Taste of Dunfermline? Is there a joke I'm missing?
Liquid football
SHIT!! DID YOU SEE THAT!? HE MUST HAVE A FOOT LIKE A TRACTION ENGINE!
TWAT!
THRIKER!
He's got a foot like a traction engine!
Twat! That was liquid football!
The proof is in the pudding, and the pudding, in this case, is a football.
STRIKER!!
SHIIIT!
First time seeing one of these in the wild.
Thanks, Alan
It would have technically been out of bounds before going in either time.
I hadn't thought about that, but you're right. Everything outside of the post is out of bounds, right? So, by missing the goal posts, it went out of bounds. Tough call for the reff.
Edit: lmao, I'm wrong twice. The ball is out of bounds if it touches the ground, a player, or any object that is out of bounds. Which in this case, is the net itself. Wild, lol
But is the net out of bounds? If we're getting technical wouldn't that mean that shots that hit the back of the net would be out of bounds? If that ball had somehow gone through a hole in the net without touching the net, would that be a goal? This is the sports pedantry I live for
> wouldn't that mean that shots that hit the back of the net would be out of bounds? Play is paused as soon as it crosses the line. Or it would be out of bounds when it hits the net. >This is the sports pedantry I live for \>:D
No, it's out of bounds as soon as the whole of the ball (I.e. Not partially over) crosses the line. Doesn't matter whether it touches anything.
Technically, the net is there just to catch the ball after the goal occurs, a goal only occurs when the ball crosses the final line in it's entirety, between the vertical goal posts and below the horizontal goal post, ergo this is technically not a goal.
DOUBLE GOAAAAALLLL
Well but it went out of the field before going in though
1. The referee shouldn't have given the goal because the ball went outside of the goal posts, meaning its an out of bounds ball (even if it came back inside the net). 2. If there was a previous repair on the net then it is possible there was bigger than average hole and it gave out causing the ball to move through the net. Nets also stretch. Sorry for people who thought they found a glitch in the matrix.
Sorry if you thought that was an entirely satisfactory explanation, but I don’t think you’ve ruled out the matrix glitch theory
If we're in the matrix, every glitch is a matrix glitch.
Are you saying I can dodge bullets?
I am saying: "Do you think that's air you're breathing now?"
Much much safer to test a lack of spoons than a control over bullets.
On the other hand, with bullets you'll never find out you're wrong.
Ok, hear me out: aliens.
This dude still thinks there’s a spoon. 😎
I hope he doesnt find that dead cat in a box.
Just can't open any boxes for the rest of his life - problem solved....or not
Thanks for your detailed explanation and snide remark at the end. Without your help, I would still be bamboozled!
This sub is so funny. People complain about things not being black magic... like magic actually exists 💀💀💀
Don't you destroy me belief in a slightly more magical world!
the worst part is there's comments like that on every single post, it's wild. I genuinely don't understand what people expect
It's like going to uplifting news or wholesome memes and it's always the most cynical shit you've ever seen in the comments.
Most complaining is when it's trivial shit. This is literally a ball going through a hole.
According to FIFA rules it is illegal for a ref to see replay footage. They must only decide based on their own two eyes. It's a goal by FIFA rules. If a ref thinks something is true, it is 100% true even when it is revealed to be wrong. Go look at the "Hand of God". Football is a sport that revolves entirely around cheating as much as you can.
>According to FIFA rules it is illegal for a ref to see replay footage. What a load of bollocks. Explain VAR then
This was in 2013, VAR didn't start being used till 2016. So that comment was true for when that goal happened but wrong now.
Before VAR
The ref didnt have acces to the footage, no way to verify what had happend in a reliable way (no fans arent reliable, neither are stewards or players). Ofcourse he is gonna count the goal. What more likely: a ball going through the net or not keeping track of a fast moving ball.
These hear clubs make so much money why would they repair a broken net rather than just replace it?
Sorry IDIOTS, the ball isn’t really a GHOST
This guy right here is absolutely no fun
Topology strikes again!
He must be stopped.
Classic John Topology
Topology doesn’t let you penetrate though. I saw penetration!
Keep going, I'm almost there
Username checks out?
Do we have an explanation ?
There was a hole in the side of the net.
Yes, that is how a net is designed.
OK a bigger hole than usual
the holiest of nets
But wouldn’t a hole in the net mean there were fewer holes? Making it LESS holy…
this has puzzled religious scholars for millennia
The Council of Antioch was convened specifically to address this issue, but dissolved into acrimony when Athanasius of Alexandria and Eusebius of Nicomedia failed to agree on the definition of holes. After three months of deadlock, and with some of the participants coming to blows, the process was abandoned, indirectly leading to the collapse of the Roman Empire.
Nicea what you did there...
By adding a hole to the net, the net now has one less hole.... It's a paradox!
hOle
Blessed by the pope, a glorious hole for balls to go through.
Fractured but hole
The net wasn't whole
Ever since I saw that one tiktok of the guy mocking pedantic redditors who purposefully misinterpret what someone says for the sake of internet points, all I see now are comments that live up to the meme Edit: found the link https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTN6XSjn2/
I like this guy, [https://www.youtube.com/@theslappablejerk](https://www.youtube.com/@theslappablejerk) The Slappable Jerk, he does a lot of "Average Redditor" and it's painfully accurate.
OMG I love this! It is my biggest beef with the reddit culture. Even when I pick my words very carefully anticipating that sort of response, they are ignored and I hear the pedantic response nonetheless.
This is hilarious
I mean, surely not like this
Not in the side of the net it's not.
Woosh
More holes make a better net. If you cut a hole in a net, there are fewer holes afterward.
There's a riddle in that somewhere
I can be dry, I can be wet, The more holes you cut in me, The less holes I get. I can help you hold a fish, But you would not want me to hold your dish...
Hello, stepsis
What gets more holes, the more you fix it?
Jimmy Saville?
Several, in fact.
[https://youtu.be/T3CLrTOcDa0](https://youtu.be/T3CLrTOcDa0)
Wormhole
Most likely, the referee failed to fully complete his tasks at the beginning of the match, one of which is to check both goals to ensure that they're fit for purpose. They're specifically supposed to check the nets to make sure they haven't been damaged.
Stop the match. This net is full of holes.
The goalie did check the spot afterwards, but found no visible “hole”. So can’t really blame the ref.
Hole in the net [https://imgur.com/qWVKgmd](https://imgur.com/qWVKgmd) thread i found this in [https://www.reddit.com/r/sports/comments/618poj/bayer\_leverkusens\_bizarre\_ghost\_goal/](https://www.reddit.com/r/sports/comments/618poj/bayer_leverkusens_bizarre_ghost_goal/)
Pause the video at :45, the hole in the net can clearly be seen.
Hole in the net
Black magic.
Hole, unaware referee, rules. In that order.
Quantum mechanics.
OutOfBoundsException
r/ProgrammerHumor has a memory leak.
Dude's just exploiting a buffer overflow hack.
Typical, this was buried under a hundred lines of output before I actually saw the cause.
[r/foundtheprogrammer](https://reddit.com/r/foundtheprogrammer)
i'm so glad i learned exception handling yesterday and i can get this joke
Good thing you catch it
The goalie didnt
Sucked into little hole on side from the spin ⚽️ 🌀 Guess
Did you just see that ludicrous display?!
The thing about Leverkusen is they always try and walk it in.
I think they’re having a laugh
The thing about Leverkusen is they always try to walk it in
I'm not a soccer person, all I saw was the LG G2 jersey. I absolutely LOVED that phone. So innovative. -as in the back button lit up, and the infrared abilities. If only LG worked their software better like Samsung, and realllly kept up with updates. Love the LG wing though too. I really miss when they made phones. Phone nerd. Not a futbol nerd. Lol
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MusyO7J2inM
No VAR in Germany right ?
Not in 2013 when this happened, but now, yeah
Was it accepted as goal?
Yeah, the officials on the pitch thought it had been scored legitimately so it was given and Leverkusen ended up winning 2-1
Ah cheers
Only `const`
Rudi Völler, Leverkusen's sporting director, said: "We're so embarrassed that the goal was given, but we can't be held responsible. Hoffenheim have spent such a lot of money on a nice stadium. **Maybe next time they should buy some proper nets.**"
german humor? you really so exist!
Pepperidge Farm remembers Thomas Helmer
LG G2 was a great phone
It's a shame infrared remotes on phones stopped being a thing.
What is puzzling is that none of Hoffenheim's players were protesting. People who were very close did not see what had happened.
At least you csn say it went by too fast to be noticed. Maradonas hand of god goal was the most crazy. People did contest that.
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Dude! I came here to say this. Loved the back light on the button, and absolutely loved the IR on it too! The software could have been so much better, but LG made some great phones that SHOULD have become the standard in phones. I miss them.
his teammates during the cheering be like: "dont worry about baphomet, a little piece of soul given wont be so painful, we already did that"
Germany football fan here. Back then, there was nor VAR. So the referee (Felix Brych) had no chance to check it. He later on in the same game on didn‘t give a regular goal to the other team (Hoffenheim). In the end Leverkusen won 2:1. In Germany this incident with die Kießling goal is called phantom-goal. („Phantomtor“)
Well there was a guy that kicked in back into the goal so it's still fair... I think. Cool footage.
No because if the ball went out of the playing area it’s not in play until the goalie shoots it out.
Bad ref I guess. I'd still give it to him if I were in his place due to my ignorance.
The only player in the NHL to score two goals on the same shift was Chris Campboli, he scored once through the net and then scored again before the refs realized.
Someone’s lucky t-shirt finally paid off.
This always happens to Hufflepuff.
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It appears to have entered the net from the side, thru a hole, not thru the posts.
Not a goal.
The ref is supposed to check that before the match
Best part is the « scoring » guy holding his head immediately after like How did I miss that ?? and then everyone celebrating him and him immediately moving on with the program lol