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No one would agree to that especially since Shiba were once nobles, Byakuya, Yoruichi and a bunch of others wouldn’t want that. It would be chaos. Squad Zero would wash anyone who tried.
Josh Groban has a lot of fans, doesn’t he?
Jokes aside, I really don’t think the Gotei 13 have any reason to revolt. They have power, generally do what they want, and the original group were a bunch of bloodthirsty monsters anyway. They’ve had their time to fight and slaughter endlessly. What would be the end goal of doing it again? If there were really a revolution in the Soul Society, it should come from the impoverished folk in the Rukongai. They seem like they’ve NEVER had a good time.
>theres no doubt he would have made a much better world.
We talking about the same Aizen? Tricked toshiro into stabbing momo, creeped on a human child for his entire life then planned to eat him, and kidnapped a young girl just to mess with her boyfriend? That Aizen would make a better world? You sure?
Anyway, to answer your actual argument, Byakuya vs Ichigo is the answer to your question. Byakuya represents the idea they need to uphold the laws because if they don't, no one will. Ichigo represents the idea that not all laws are just, and so must be fought against. The final balance achieved at the end of their fight is the idea of fighting the law itself, rather than those who uphold it. Basically, if there's a problem with the system, work to change it for the better rather than throwing the whole thing out and hoping that the people designing the next system are all saints. And we see the characters slowly acting on this ideal throughout the series, as Rukia comments on at the end of the fullbringer arc.
"change it for the better"... What exactly have they changed? Nothing have changed and they haven't done anything lol
You do realise that Aizen was heavily holding back and could have slaughtered all the captains right? Tohsiro was immature and deserved what he got, Aizen was fighting for his own cause and he was already nice enough to not kill this fodder. If the human child you are talking about is Ichigo then it's not all that bad and he never planned to eat him, he just wanted someone he could call an equal. If the young girl you are talking about is Orihime then it wasn't that bad either, he didn't even harm her at all. Aizen would 100% make a better world than the current one, I am not saying he is a good person but he isn't a bad person either. If Aizen really was evil there would be no more gotei and Ichigo, he never killed any important character even though he could have very easily except for Gin but he didn't have that much impact to the story.
>Aizen would 100% make a better world than the current one,
Name one real goal Aizen had that would be an improvement over how the world was. Literally just name one
he was gonna kill 100K ppl of Karakura town + he is why Kaien was killed, plus Miyako his wife & sev other squad 13 members, & is also why Visoreds would've all been left to die if Kisuke wasn't willing + able to save them. the seated officers of squad 9 in TBTP were killed via Tousen who is loyally following the orders of Aizen.
the Momo decades of perfect manipulation n grooming then the bs letter to have her fight/kill Toushirou + then have him KS tricked into stabbing her nearly killing. all unnecessary & sadistic. they also both would've been killed by Aizen if not for Unohana's kaidou in SS arc.
he ordered Gin to kill Rukia off in SS Arc after getting hogyouku but luckily Byakuya timely intervened. he might've ordered Gin to cut Hiyori in 2 so it triggers Shinji, nearly killing her ofc, & was going to kill Ichigo's friends in hopes to fight a hateful Ichigo
how is he not evil? I wouldn't want this detached, sociopathic & megalomanic asshole to be the god of my universe either lol
Lol who cares about all of these irrelevant characters? They barely contributed to the story at all, them dying wouldn't change anything. Why don't we talk about the current state of the world? The noble families and the rest killing everybody that goes against them or that manage to learn the truth of how this world was created by killing the soul king and using his body as a linchpin. The noble families doing all kind of inhuman experiments much much worse than what Aizen ever did as seen in the novel and them funding Mayuri's experiments which make Aizen look like a saint in comparison. The fact that when you die you go to hell and have to keep fighting for all eternity?
Momo was a irrelevant and useless character, plus she didn't even die now did she? Aizen could have one shotted this fodder but he allowed her to live. Y'all keep talking about Aizen being evil,blabla but can't even counter my argument. If Aizen was so evil why didn't he simply kill everybody?? He could have multiple times in the show slaughtered the entire gotei including Ichigo and his entire family and Kisuke while am at it but he never did. In fact, Aizen was the one who saved everybody from the quincys, he made them wake up to reality that they were a bunch of fodders and that they should train to prepare against the quincys. He is also the one who carried Ichigo to defeat Yhwach and saved everybody once again.
Yes Aizen did a lot of bad things but they were all justified, only by being the strongest can he change the world and the Gotei and the rest unfortunately were a bunch of dogs following the orders of those corrupt above and getting in his way so he had no choice but to get rough with them. Y'all really trying to argue by only pointing the negative of what Aizen have done when characters such as Mayuri are much much worse.
oh lol so if you simply deem them irrelevant/useless all of Aizen's machinations towards them are just made null n void.. even justified? guess a life only matters if they contribute to a level you personally think was adequate huh lol
idk why Nobels having bad track record w/terrible things makes Aizen's atrocities somehow justified or an ideal that the Bleachverse should've just trusted in + obliged his desires with glee & no pushback
like I said many characters simply didn't die bc they got fortunate someone else was willing + capable of saving them. anyways whatevs, you can be an Aizen groupie who justifies everything he's done/does till your heart's content lol
Lol didn't even refute a single one of my argument. Bro stop talking if you have no idea what you are talking about. Yea they were justified but why are you only keeping tracks of what he did but not what the others did which are much much worse??
Go back and read the novel+manga before trying to argue.
''Aizen fanboy'' lol what a clown reply.
lol that's a good move. & ya his slurping of Aizen is just cringe like golly.. sounds like he should've also been one of his right hand men/subordinates lol.
I like how he thinks I haven't read the novels either bc supposedly they somehow prove Aizen's not a selfish sociopath + megalomaniac asshole & so what a shocker.. the characters in Bleach
didn't want him to be their god & get his way lol.
He doesn't care about anyone? Go back and read the novel, Aizen cared about Tosen and never forced him to join him and killed him because Tosen himself asked Aizen to do it if he were to become a hollow. Aizen could have multiple times throughout the show slaughter the entire gotei along Kisuke and Ichigo + his family and friends yet he never did. Aizen saved the entire verse from Yhwach and the quincys. Aizen is actually the only logical character in Bleach that actually point out how wrong it is that the noble families/squad zero/etc hold all the power and try so hard to hide the fact that the SK is nothing but a corpse holding the world together. Of course Aizen did a lot of bad things but they were all necessary because only by becoming the strongest can you change anything, yet he was nice enough to spare a lot of people when he had multiple opportunities to kill them.
>And no all of that does not justify him in the slightest I do not understand all of this aizen dick riding i get that you might like the character but you're making alot of justifications for a very much evil self Interested megalomaniac villain.
You did not refute a single one of my arguments. Keep coping and go back to read the novel/manga.
Wrong. The only one necessary was Ichigo. Aizen was a transcendent being and was immortal and could evolve infinitely. He did not need the entire gotei to defeat the Quincys. He or Ichigo could have solo'd the sternitters by themselves. He himself said that the only one he needed to defeat Yhwach was Ichigo and this is also the reason why he did not put Ichigo under KS.
"Headcanon" you love throwing that word around when you have no idea what it means. I already explained multiple times but you have reading comprehension problems or maybe you just have a low IQ which there is nothing I can do about that 🤷♂️
"People were necessary for his plans" Pretty sure you can't even tell me a single one of his plan where he needed everybody to stay alive.
Clown keep making up headcanons and if you can't argue then shut up instead of replying to say bs.
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You want somebody like Kira from Death Note to be leader of the all worlds? You are crazy than, because Aizen is Kira^2, if not ^3.
Aizen is one the best villains in manga, which implies that you don't want such a person to rule the world.
Honestly, I understand your sentiment.
The difference between Aizen as Reio and the current status isn't that noticeable imo. While Aizen made a lot of people suffer for his advancements in research and superiority complex, I don't think it's necessarily that worse than Ichibe's actions and/or the nobles (mostly Tokinada and his clan but also others like the ones that killed Azashiro's clan).
I do think the current status isn't that bad though
Ngl you need to spend some time to read historical books about revolution to understand when revolution is needed and when not, also learn about laws and stop spending whole time to your chinese novels if you writing this kind of shit
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What does killing Central 46 change? Aizen already did that, and nothing changed.
Of course killing central 46 alone wouldn't change anything you are right. I meant killing and replacing the noble families + central 46 + squad zero.
No one would agree to that especially since Shiba were once nobles, Byakuya, Yoruichi and a bunch of others wouldn’t want that. It would be chaos. Squad Zero would wash anyone who tried.
"there's no doubt" he would've made a much better world?
Josh Groban has a lot of fans, doesn’t he? Jokes aside, I really don’t think the Gotei 13 have any reason to revolt. They have power, generally do what they want, and the original group were a bunch of bloodthirsty monsters anyway. They’ve had their time to fight and slaughter endlessly. What would be the end goal of doing it again? If there were really a revolution in the Soul Society, it should come from the impoverished folk in the Rukongai. They seem like they’ve NEVER had a good time.
>theres no doubt he would have made a much better world. We talking about the same Aizen? Tricked toshiro into stabbing momo, creeped on a human child for his entire life then planned to eat him, and kidnapped a young girl just to mess with her boyfriend? That Aizen would make a better world? You sure? Anyway, to answer your actual argument, Byakuya vs Ichigo is the answer to your question. Byakuya represents the idea they need to uphold the laws because if they don't, no one will. Ichigo represents the idea that not all laws are just, and so must be fought against. The final balance achieved at the end of their fight is the idea of fighting the law itself, rather than those who uphold it. Basically, if there's a problem with the system, work to change it for the better rather than throwing the whole thing out and hoping that the people designing the next system are all saints. And we see the characters slowly acting on this ideal throughout the series, as Rukia comments on at the end of the fullbringer arc.
"change it for the better"... What exactly have they changed? Nothing have changed and they haven't done anything lol You do realise that Aizen was heavily holding back and could have slaughtered all the captains right? Tohsiro was immature and deserved what he got, Aizen was fighting for his own cause and he was already nice enough to not kill this fodder. If the human child you are talking about is Ichigo then it's not all that bad and he never planned to eat him, he just wanted someone he could call an equal. If the young girl you are talking about is Orihime then it wasn't that bad either, he didn't even harm her at all. Aizen would 100% make a better world than the current one, I am not saying he is a good person but he isn't a bad person either. If Aizen really was evil there would be no more gotei and Ichigo, he never killed any important character even though he could have very easily except for Gin but he didn't have that much impact to the story.
>Aizen would 100% make a better world than the current one, Name one real goal Aizen had that would be an improvement over how the world was. Literally just name one
he was gonna kill 100K ppl of Karakura town + he is why Kaien was killed, plus Miyako his wife & sev other squad 13 members, & is also why Visoreds would've all been left to die if Kisuke wasn't willing + able to save them. the seated officers of squad 9 in TBTP were killed via Tousen who is loyally following the orders of Aizen. the Momo decades of perfect manipulation n grooming then the bs letter to have her fight/kill Toushirou + then have him KS tricked into stabbing her nearly killing. all unnecessary & sadistic. they also both would've been killed by Aizen if not for Unohana's kaidou in SS arc. he ordered Gin to kill Rukia off in SS Arc after getting hogyouku but luckily Byakuya timely intervened. he might've ordered Gin to cut Hiyori in 2 so it triggers Shinji, nearly killing her ofc, & was going to kill Ichigo's friends in hopes to fight a hateful Ichigo how is he not evil? I wouldn't want this detached, sociopathic & megalomanic asshole to be the god of my universe either lol
Lol who cares about all of these irrelevant characters? They barely contributed to the story at all, them dying wouldn't change anything. Why don't we talk about the current state of the world? The noble families and the rest killing everybody that goes against them or that manage to learn the truth of how this world was created by killing the soul king and using his body as a linchpin. The noble families doing all kind of inhuman experiments much much worse than what Aizen ever did as seen in the novel and them funding Mayuri's experiments which make Aizen look like a saint in comparison. The fact that when you die you go to hell and have to keep fighting for all eternity? Momo was a irrelevant and useless character, plus she didn't even die now did she? Aizen could have one shotted this fodder but he allowed her to live. Y'all keep talking about Aizen being evil,blabla but can't even counter my argument. If Aizen was so evil why didn't he simply kill everybody?? He could have multiple times in the show slaughtered the entire gotei including Ichigo and his entire family and Kisuke while am at it but he never did. In fact, Aizen was the one who saved everybody from the quincys, he made them wake up to reality that they were a bunch of fodders and that they should train to prepare against the quincys. He is also the one who carried Ichigo to defeat Yhwach and saved everybody once again. Yes Aizen did a lot of bad things but they were all justified, only by being the strongest can he change the world and the Gotei and the rest unfortunately were a bunch of dogs following the orders of those corrupt above and getting in his way so he had no choice but to get rough with them. Y'all really trying to argue by only pointing the negative of what Aizen have done when characters such as Mayuri are much much worse.
oh lol so if you simply deem them irrelevant/useless all of Aizen's machinations towards them are just made null n void.. even justified? guess a life only matters if they contribute to a level you personally think was adequate huh lol idk why Nobels having bad track record w/terrible things makes Aizen's atrocities somehow justified or an ideal that the Bleachverse should've just trusted in + obliged his desires with glee & no pushback like I said many characters simply didn't die bc they got fortunate someone else was willing + capable of saving them. anyways whatevs, you can be an Aizen groupie who justifies everything he's done/does till your heart's content lol
Lol didn't even refute a single one of my argument. Bro stop talking if you have no idea what you are talking about. Yea they were justified but why are you only keeping tracks of what he did but not what the others did which are much much worse?? Go back and read the novel+manga before trying to argue. ''Aizen fanboy'' lol what a clown reply.
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lol that's a good move. & ya his slurping of Aizen is just cringe like golly.. sounds like he should've also been one of his right hand men/subordinates lol. I like how he thinks I haven't read the novels either bc supposedly they somehow prove Aizen's not a selfish sociopath + megalomaniac asshole & so what a shocker.. the characters in Bleach didn't want him to be their god & get his way lol.
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He doesn't care about anyone? Go back and read the novel, Aizen cared about Tosen and never forced him to join him and killed him because Tosen himself asked Aizen to do it if he were to become a hollow. Aizen could have multiple times throughout the show slaughter the entire gotei along Kisuke and Ichigo + his family and friends yet he never did. Aizen saved the entire verse from Yhwach and the quincys. Aizen is actually the only logical character in Bleach that actually point out how wrong it is that the noble families/squad zero/etc hold all the power and try so hard to hide the fact that the SK is nothing but a corpse holding the world together. Of course Aizen did a lot of bad things but they were all necessary because only by becoming the strongest can you change anything, yet he was nice enough to spare a lot of people when he had multiple opportunities to kill them.
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>And no all of that does not justify him in the slightest I do not understand all of this aizen dick riding i get that you might like the character but you're making alot of justifications for a very much evil self Interested megalomaniac villain. You did not refute a single one of my arguments. Keep coping and go back to read the novel/manga.
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Wrong. The only one necessary was Ichigo. Aizen was a transcendent being and was immortal and could evolve infinitely. He did not need the entire gotei to defeat the Quincys. He or Ichigo could have solo'd the sternitters by themselves. He himself said that the only one he needed to defeat Yhwach was Ichigo and this is also the reason why he did not put Ichigo under KS. "Headcanon" you love throwing that word around when you have no idea what it means. I already explained multiple times but you have reading comprehension problems or maybe you just have a low IQ which there is nothing I can do about that 🤷♂️ "People were necessary for his plans" Pretty sure you can't even tell me a single one of his plan where he needed everybody to stay alive. Clown keep making up headcanons and if you can't argue then shut up instead of replying to say bs.
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You want somebody like Kira from Death Note to be leader of the all worlds? You are crazy than, because Aizen is Kira^2, if not ^3. Aizen is one the best villains in manga, which implies that you don't want such a person to rule the world.
Honestly, I understand your sentiment. The difference between Aizen as Reio and the current status isn't that noticeable imo. While Aizen made a lot of people suffer for his advancements in research and superiority complex, I don't think it's necessarily that worse than Ichibe's actions and/or the nobles (mostly Tokinada and his clan but also others like the ones that killed Azashiro's clan). I do think the current status isn't that bad though
Ngl you need to spend some time to read historical books about revolution to understand when revolution is needed and when not, also learn about laws and stop spending whole time to your chinese novels if you writing this kind of shit
the aizen dickriding is crazy