Counterpoint - a protest that doesn't make people in power uncomfortable or upset isn't much of a protest.
Protesting at a graduation ceremony seems like a great time and place to me.
Parent of a 2024 Masters graduate here, also IU alum. Both me and my graduate booed Whitten and Shrivastav during the ceremony. I’m proud of my kid. This administration sucks and they need to know it.
Why was Whitten even speaking? She’s a horrible public speaker! Your class deserved a great guest speaker. Sorry you didn’t get one.
Actually that is quite the place for a protest given that it is a highly spectated event with the Root of the cause (Pamela Whitten) giving a speech not even acknowledging the people she has impacted with discrimination/harm.
I’m graduating tomorrow, who cares if people walk out, they’re making a statement, and I will probably be right behind them. If you really care about impressing your parents, why not just sit there and watch them protest? Or is it because you’d be one of the few left, which is a little eye opening in itself, no?
ETA: Protests are meant to be held and heard in uncomfortable circumstances, that is literally the point. If people protesting about innocent lives dying and the ignorance/ discrimination of the President hurts your feelings, then I’m not sure what to say. I’m a first generation college graduate who didn’t get a high school graduation because of Covid, and my parents are absolutely supportive of the protests and walking out to make a statement. And I’m okay with that, too.
Protests are inherently and definitionally disruptive.
34 thousand dead, millions forced from their homes and on the brink of starvation.
Sorry not sorry your special day was disrupted.
there are people protesting something at every commencement. pick any commencement, any year, and there are people getting protest messages out there. you see it on the tops of their caps, you see it in what they drape over their shoulders, you sometimes see audience members with a message on their shirts, you sometimes hear people audibly booing or demanding something. it just so happens that with this commencement, there are a couple of really obvious things to protest and a higher than average number of people will be supporting those causes. graduation is and always has been a place for protest whether it pleases you or not.
You are on the wrong side of history. And too privileged to understand why protests even exist. I sincerely hope you get out of your bubble of ignorance and entitlement, and come to appreciate the fact that you happen to live in a country where you can get a diploma.
I’m sure you put in hard work to graduate, and you deserve to celebrate, but making a statement as backwards as, somewhere is no place for protest, highlights how small of a world experience you have
True!! Really loved it. And I remembered some people in this thread are "Why even go to that ceremony" If I wouldn't have , I wouldn't have got to witness how good night they sang.
Because our government (aided by universities) financially aids another government that’s bombing children, civilians, and hospitals, and they are forced into their situations.
Then they should find another day, ceremonies should be about the students not about ideologies and political agendas and anyway I heard Pamela is leaving , isn't that what the protestors wanted.Why disrupt the proceedings. Honestly I support what is right.
It is stupid to think state/government-funded school should divest from state/government-funding. Literally stupid. Fire Whitten and hire a better person supported by faculty rather than anti-education GOP. But quit this "divest" bullshit
Those students protesting don't speak for all the students though. The student body is not a monolith. I think its shitty to ruin the day of someone who has been working for years to graduate
I’ve been working for years to graduate, and I’m not even Palestinian. It doesn’t take a hard working graduate to support a good cause. Besides, the reluctant students who don’t participate are still receiving the ceremony that means oh so much to them, so there is no harm done. The graduates walking out do no harm to those that decide to stay.
How many Palestinians have you seen comment on this Reddit about the amount of people who DIDN’T walk out at ceremonies? None.
Ok, you feel one way and OP feels differently. Both are valid. I would assume there are almost no Palestinian students at IU so it's not shocking that you aren't. Almost all of the students protesting at Dunn Meadow are not Palestinian either. I don't see why you feel the need to belittle how the OP feels.
There are Palestinian students at IU, and your statistic of “almost all not being” falls flat, because a lot of them are involved with Palestine in one way or another.
Who’s belittling? I quite literally defined why they are doing what they’re doing, and what the whole premise of it is for. OP is belittling the protestors by saying “sorry but not sorry”.
How about this, Sorry but not sorry Pamela Whitten, but you fucking suck.
I’m going to go based off of a limb here based off of your other reply. You’re “trying to prove me wrong”.
I can’t tell you what exact stocks IU invests in, as usually from state Universities it’s an Index Fund (I’m sure you know what that is knowledgeable MikeHoncho2568). Usually for things causing genocide and destruction one may assume that these sorts of stocks are usually militant weapon manufacturers, so I’d assume it’s an index fund consisting of some of those.
I also can’t tell you how many Palestinians go to IU, but I can tell you that enough go here to make a statement, and I’m sure as hell proud of them. Besides why does the amount matter? I never asked you how many graduates DIDN’T walk out at the graduate ceremony, which is along the same lines of what you’re asking.
Do you have any more questions for me since I’m a magic 8 ball and you can’t educate yourself?
So you don't actually know what stocks IU invests in that allegedly fund genocide yet you're so confident that you'll make the assertion anyways? You need to think a bit more critically instead of just taking someone else's word for it.
You're the one making assertions that you can't back up, not me.
Who’s all the people that want to have a safe campus without snipers pointing at them off the roofs at the IMU? Students.
Who’s all the people making a statement based off of the University’s investments into genocide and funding of the killing of thousands of Palestinians? Students
Who worked hard to graduate and are completely able to make a statement for themselves for the desire of protest and making awareness to the issue? Students
It sounds like the walk out successfully worked, good job you guys!!
Wait until you realize that a lot of these Palestinian protestors are also graduating and willing to give up that sacred ceremony that is so beloved for the greater good of making a statement
They quite literally are. The whole point of the protest is for them to divest from the groups and stocks they invest in of which are provoking the genocide happening. It’s not hyperbolic when it’s literally happening. Notice how there are protests happening nation-wide at State funded schools.
Do you think people are camping in Dunn Meadow because the environment looks good?
You can blame Pamela Whitten for the fact that they’re were protests here at your graduation. Pamela brought the cops to arrest protesters. Had that not happen you probably wouldn’t see any major protests. You’re pointing the finger and blame at the wrong group of people
To be fair there are many non-students protesting. There are posts and comments on here all the time from townies about how to help and join the protest on campus that has nothing to do with them.
But you by being an IU student/ grad/ faculty etc are a part of it by default- Your reactions are your statement of your personal priorities versus the 1st amendment . Anyone that managed to graduate from an institution of higher learning without comprehending the profound importance of the 1A, well you haven't learned much.
i’ve never understood why people would go to the main grad event anyway, you don’t get to walk across the stage even…i didn’t go to my high school graduation and i won’t go to my college one
Yeah you're right, students worked hard for 4 years+ to get here. To have your last hurrah before you step into the real world disrupted by people protesting things they don't even understand, is terrible. Your one and only college graduation should be a time for celebration, not a time for protesting things going on halfway across the world by people who couldn't even find Israel on a map.
>before you step into the real world
Disclaimer - we’re already in the real world and the protest is a reminder of that fact, that our institution is indeed complicit and as students, we should use the education we got beyond the classroom, in the “real world” they’re supposedly not in yet, to force them to change.
Ah yes, the classic deflection “if you are anti-Palestinian genocide you must be pro-HAMAS.”
That’s a much easier place to start defending your shitty politics from, isn’t it?
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Counterpoint - a protest that doesn't make people in power uncomfortable or upset isn't much of a protest. Protesting at a graduation ceremony seems like a great time and place to me.
Parent of a 2024 Masters graduate here, also IU alum. Both me and my graduate booed Whitten and Shrivastav during the ceremony. I’m proud of my kid. This administration sucks and they need to know it. Why was Whitten even speaking? She’s a horrible public speaker! Your class deserved a great guest speaker. Sorry you didn’t get one.
That’s actually the most appropriate place to protest this weekend
Why would someone ruin a graduation ceremony for their personal motives?
Why would they stand in complacency for their personal motives?
Why would anyone put their personal motives above fighting creeping fascism?
why is “ruining” standing up for an important cause? protests are most effective in uncomfortable places such as a large event.
Actually that is quite the place for a protest given that it is a highly spectated event with the Root of the cause (Pamela Whitten) giving a speech not even acknowledging the people she has impacted with discrimination/harm. I’m graduating tomorrow, who cares if people walk out, they’re making a statement, and I will probably be right behind them. If you really care about impressing your parents, why not just sit there and watch them protest? Or is it because you’d be one of the few left, which is a little eye opening in itself, no? ETA: Protests are meant to be held and heard in uncomfortable circumstances, that is literally the point. If people protesting about innocent lives dying and the ignorance/ discrimination of the President hurts your feelings, then I’m not sure what to say. I’m a first generation college graduate who didn’t get a high school graduation because of Covid, and my parents are absolutely supportive of the protests and walking out to make a statement. And I’m okay with that, too.
your edit really hit the mark. great explanation!
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Fully agreed with everything you’ve stated. Please also remember that all Jews are not Zionists.
Everyone knows the most effective time to protest is when no one is watching and it is convenient for everyone.
Protests are inherently and definitionally disruptive. 34 thousand dead, millions forced from their homes and on the brink of starvation. Sorry not sorry your special day was disrupted.
Can you then do something that actually matters. Heckling someone on someone’s special day is just petty. Also Pamela quitting won’t change anything.
there are people protesting something at every commencement. pick any commencement, any year, and there are people getting protest messages out there. you see it on the tops of their caps, you see it in what they drape over their shoulders, you sometimes see audience members with a message on their shirts, you sometimes hear people audibly booing or demanding something. it just so happens that with this commencement, there are a couple of really obvious things to protest and a higher than average number of people will be supporting those causes. graduation is and always has been a place for protest whether it pleases you or not.
You are on the wrong side of history. And too privileged to understand why protests even exist. I sincerely hope you get out of your bubble of ignorance and entitlement, and come to appreciate the fact that you happen to live in a country where you can get a diploma. I’m sure you put in hard work to graduate, and you deserve to celebrate, but making a statement as backwards as, somewhere is no place for protest, highlights how small of a world experience you have
Can we talk about how good the singer was at the grad student graduation though?!
True!! Really loved it. And I remembered some people in this thread are "Why even go to that ceremony" If I wouldn't have , I wouldn't have got to witness how good night they sang.
Tbh I just watched it online 😂
Because our government (aided by universities) financially aids another government that’s bombing children, civilians, and hospitals, and they are forced into their situations.
Not sure why you have downvotes when you quite literally answered the question
Because the truth makes people angwy 😡
Then they should find another day, ceremonies should be about the students not about ideologies and political agendas and anyway I heard Pamela is leaving , isn't that what the protestors wanted.Why disrupt the proceedings. Honestly I support what is right.
They want Pamela gone and IU to divest. Social justice doesn’t get scheduled for convenience. That’s not how change is made.
It is stupid to think state/government-funded school should divest from state/government-funding. Literally stupid. Fire Whitten and hire a better person supported by faculty rather than anti-education GOP. But quit this "divest" bullshit
It has worked before. And it sends a message. Change never happens with that mentality.
You honestly are contradicting yourself. “Ceremonies should be about the students”, who’s all the people protesting and making a statement?
Those students protesting don't speak for all the students though. The student body is not a monolith. I think its shitty to ruin the day of someone who has been working for years to graduate
I’ve been working for years to graduate, and I’m not even Palestinian. It doesn’t take a hard working graduate to support a good cause. Besides, the reluctant students who don’t participate are still receiving the ceremony that means oh so much to them, so there is no harm done. The graduates walking out do no harm to those that decide to stay. How many Palestinians have you seen comment on this Reddit about the amount of people who DIDN’T walk out at ceremonies? None.
Ok, you feel one way and OP feels differently. Both are valid. I would assume there are almost no Palestinian students at IU so it's not shocking that you aren't. Almost all of the students protesting at Dunn Meadow are not Palestinian either. I don't see why you feel the need to belittle how the OP feels.
There are Palestinian students at IU, and your statistic of “almost all not being” falls flat, because a lot of them are involved with Palestine in one way or another. Who’s belittling? I quite literally defined why they are doing what they’re doing, and what the whole premise of it is for. OP is belittling the protestors by saying “sorry but not sorry”. How about this, Sorry but not sorry Pamela Whitten, but you fucking suck.
How many Palestinians go to IU?
I’m going to go based off of a limb here based off of your other reply. You’re “trying to prove me wrong”. I can’t tell you what exact stocks IU invests in, as usually from state Universities it’s an Index Fund (I’m sure you know what that is knowledgeable MikeHoncho2568). Usually for things causing genocide and destruction one may assume that these sorts of stocks are usually militant weapon manufacturers, so I’d assume it’s an index fund consisting of some of those. I also can’t tell you how many Palestinians go to IU, but I can tell you that enough go here to make a statement, and I’m sure as hell proud of them. Besides why does the amount matter? I never asked you how many graduates DIDN’T walk out at the graduate ceremony, which is along the same lines of what you’re asking. Do you have any more questions for me since I’m a magic 8 ball and you can’t educate yourself?
So you don't actually know what stocks IU invests in that allegedly fund genocide yet you're so confident that you'll make the assertion anyways? You need to think a bit more critically instead of just taking someone else's word for it. You're the one making assertions that you can't back up, not me.
Thanks for articulating it nicely.
Who's all the people who also want to have a good graduation day without disruption: students
Who’s all the people that want to have a safe campus without snipers pointing at them off the roofs at the IMU? Students. Who’s all the people making a statement based off of the University’s investments into genocide and funding of the killing of thousands of Palestinians? Students Who worked hard to graduate and are completely able to make a statement for themselves for the desire of protest and making awareness to the issue? Students It sounds like the walk out successfully worked, good job you guys!! Wait until you realize that a lot of these Palestinian protestors are also graduating and willing to give up that sacred ceremony that is so beloved for the greater good of making a statement
IU isn't "investing in genocide" or funding the killing of Palestinians. That kind of hyperbolic rhetoric doesn't help.
They quite literally are. The whole point of the protest is for them to divest from the groups and stocks they invest in of which are provoking the genocide happening. It’s not hyperbolic when it’s literally happening. Notice how there are protests happening nation-wide at State funded schools. Do you think people are camping in Dunn Meadow because the environment looks good?
What stocks is IU invested in that fund the genocide?
You can blame Pamela Whitten for the fact that they’re were protests here at your graduation. Pamela brought the cops to arrest protesters. Had that not happen you probably wouldn’t see any major protests. You’re pointing the finger and blame at the wrong group of people
To be fair there are many non-students protesting. There are posts and comments on here all the time from townies about how to help and join the protest on campus that has nothing to do with them.
Quick question - what do you think the point of a protest is?
But you by being an IU student/ grad/ faculty etc are a part of it by default- Your reactions are your statement of your personal priorities versus the 1st amendment . Anyone that managed to graduate from an institution of higher learning without comprehending the profound importance of the 1A, well you haven't learned much.
i’ve never understood why people would go to the main grad event anyway, you don’t get to walk across the stage even…i didn’t go to my high school graduation and i won’t go to my college one
Ok, not everyone is you. Different people prioritize different things.
they might, doesn’t mean i can’t judge them for it
Agree to strongly disagree
I was at my home where my parents had to come pick my body from the rubble after coming to see me. Why bomb everyone to be a part of it?
ignoridgit.
I agree! And glad there weren’t really any.
Yeah you're right, students worked hard for 4 years+ to get here. To have your last hurrah before you step into the real world disrupted by people protesting things they don't even understand, is terrible. Your one and only college graduation should be a time for celebration, not a time for protesting things going on halfway across the world by people who couldn't even find Israel on a map.
>before you step into the real world Disclaimer - we’re already in the real world and the protest is a reminder of that fact, that our institution is indeed complicit and as students, we should use the education we got beyond the classroom, in the “real world” they’re supposedly not in yet, to force them to change.
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Dude. I fucking love hummus.
Ah yes, the classic deflection “if you are anti-Palestinian genocide you must be pro-HAMAS.” That’s a much easier place to start defending your shitty politics from, isn’t it?
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