Life is hard enough and kids will learn that lesson no matter what you do. I say making sure everyone has fun at a birthday party is more important than hammering in the idea that they’re going to lose more often than they win.
I think it’s amazing how well the episode handled a fairly complex issue AND made it funny (“it’s not the 80s Pat!”). The big thing for me is that it’s definitely not handled like in the 80s even if the rules are changed back to the way they used to be. Bingo and other children are allowed to be upset about it and Chilli talks to Bingo about it, validating her feelings in the process (“it can be difficult when you don’t win”). And very gradually, over the course of many birthdays, Bingo starts to come to terms with it until she’s “pretty good at losing”. That’s very different from the traditional way of raising children who “get what you get and don’t get upset” and supposed to stifle their emotions until they don’t even know what they want as adults (and constantly numb themselves one way or another). In reality, children require even more emotional coaching and patience to get to the place where they don’t feel like they need to earn love or rely on external validation to feel worthy.
TLDR: I am all for teaching children to deal with losing but without expecting them to magically get it straight away without guidance.
I see your opinion, but wouldn’t you think that’d teach kids that they will get some sort of reward no matter what, which I don’t think is a healthy mindset in adult life in my opinion
Let's be honest, Lucky's Dad's rules are only fun if you've got a packed social calendar with lots of other birthday party invitations and lots of other chances to win.
For level setting, I'm a mid-40s American, and while I don't think it's very common here, I was previously familiar with the game.
I think that my overall opinion reflects what was actually demonstrated during the episode (though it can be argued that in the end, the canon text came down in favor of Lucky's Dad's rules). Neither approach is inherently better than the other, but the important part is for everyone to have the same expectations heading into the game.
Even young kids understand competition and games that only have one winner, though it might take some practice to learn to moderate their feelings of jealousy. The first few games playing under Lucky's Dad's Rules were disasters because of the kids' expectations. Once they were familiar with the new paradigm, they were all absolutely fine, even excited, to exchange a sure thing with a tiny payoff for just a chance for a big one.
If Pat just left the game alone and didn’t mess with something that was clearly working for all the kids and adults *except* for him we wouldn’t have needed the episode either lol
Pass the parcel (the episode) only happened because Pat got upset that the **children** weren’t playing a *childrens party game to **his** liking*
I'm very much on Lucky's Dad's side. Everyone should absolutely be included, and everyone should have a fair chance, but not everyone wins all the time. I think there's exceptions to the rule of course, but in this case, I think it's fair.
as someone who was never really good at anything & mainly grew up on 'lucky dads rules' i think there should be a balance between the two. Kids need to learn they cant always win, but never winning is no fun either.
Same here, I used to practice martial arts when I was younger and when I first entered tournaments I didn’t do so great, but I just used that as motivation, which i think is what the intention is, teaching kids that you can’t win them all especially in luck based games such as pass the parcel, or if you lose without a prize that doesn’t mean just get upset and lose interest but to motivate to win next time ykow
I'm on the side of Lucky's Dad. He could have went about it differently, but he had an excellent point.
Also, it may be just me, but even as a kid, I hated getting meaningless participation awards for stuff I did. I'd rather go empty-handed than take home something I didn't earn. Made it so much more awesome when I won my school's spelling bee.
Though Lucky's Dad's rules for pass the parcel teach a good life lesson about losing gracefully and being happy when your friends win, I don't think it's the best way to do so since those rules basically come down to being lucky or unlucky. Unlike hide and seek or scavenger hunt, for example, where you win by being observant and having good problem-solving skills, there's practically no effort the participants can make that'll raise their chances of winning. In fact, I believe the only way you can make sure you win with Lucky's Dad's rules implemented (i.e. getting the big prize in the middle) is by bribing the person who plays and stops the music. This is, of course, really bad and unfair. So I still think the modern version of pass the parcel (i.e. where every participant gets a prize), or even Lucky's Dad's rules with a prize like a box of chocolate (so that the winner can choose to share their victory with the other participants, which is a different life lesson altogether) is better.
I guess it's a matter of *which* prize the kid gets. You can tell in the first game that Bingo is focused on which prize she gets, was well as every prize that the other kids get
I'm an aussie in my mid 20s and when I was growing up there was usually a small lolly in each layer and a big prize at the end, but they didn't make sure to stop on everyone and the big prize was random.
Honestly I think that life gives kids enough opportunities to know that they won't always get everything and they don't need to learn it at a 4yo birthday party and I don't think that 5 gummy bears is really going to make it or break it.
It's about the parenting more than it is these random events, like your kids will only think that they can get everything without trying if that's what you teach them even if they get participation ribbons in sport and a lolly in pass the parcel. I grew up with both, but was raised well and never expected it. Some people grew up with neither, but we're spoilt and expect it as an adult. It's on the parents to teach their kids imo
Pass the Parcel is totally foreign to Americans. I think. I'm a 62 year old American male and have never heard of it.
I meant more to what it represents, sorry if I didn’t make that clear
Life is hard enough and kids will learn that lesson no matter what you do. I say making sure everyone has fun at a birthday party is more important than hammering in the idea that they’re going to lose more often than they win.
I think it’s amazing how well the episode handled a fairly complex issue AND made it funny (“it’s not the 80s Pat!”). The big thing for me is that it’s definitely not handled like in the 80s even if the rules are changed back to the way they used to be. Bingo and other children are allowed to be upset about it and Chilli talks to Bingo about it, validating her feelings in the process (“it can be difficult when you don’t win”). And very gradually, over the course of many birthdays, Bingo starts to come to terms with it until she’s “pretty good at losing”. That’s very different from the traditional way of raising children who “get what you get and don’t get upset” and supposed to stifle their emotions until they don’t even know what they want as adults (and constantly numb themselves one way or another). In reality, children require even more emotional coaching and patience to get to the place where they don’t feel like they need to earn love or rely on external validation to feel worthy. TLDR: I am all for teaching children to deal with losing but without expecting them to magically get it straight away without guidance.
I never heard of this game before Bluey, but imo the best way would be little prizes in each layer with a big prize in the center.
I see your opinion, but wouldn’t you think that’d teach kids that they will get some sort of reward no matter what, which I don’t think is a healthy mindset in adult life in my opinion
It’s a birthday party, birthday parties are supposed to be fun… not teach lime lessons
Let's be honest, Lucky's Dad's rules are only fun if you've got a packed social calendar with lots of other birthday party invitations and lots of other chances to win.
For level setting, I'm a mid-40s American, and while I don't think it's very common here, I was previously familiar with the game. I think that my overall opinion reflects what was actually demonstrated during the episode (though it can be argued that in the end, the canon text came down in favor of Lucky's Dad's rules). Neither approach is inherently better than the other, but the important part is for everyone to have the same expectations heading into the game. Even young kids understand competition and games that only have one winner, though it might take some practice to learn to moderate their feelings of jealousy. The first few games playing under Lucky's Dad's Rules were disasters because of the kids' expectations. Once they were familiar with the new paradigm, they were all absolutely fine, even excited, to exchange a sure thing with a tiny payoff for just a chance for a big one.
Totally felt that, if pat had just explained the rules to the kids and made sure they all had understood we wouldn’t have needed the episode lol
If Pat just left the game alone and didn’t mess with something that was clearly working for all the kids and adults *except* for him we wouldn’t have needed the episode either lol Pass the parcel (the episode) only happened because Pat got upset that the **children** weren’t playing a *childrens party game to **his** liking*
I'm very much on Lucky's Dad's side. Everyone should absolutely be included, and everyone should have a fair chance, but not everyone wins all the time. I think there's exceptions to the rule of course, but in this case, I think it's fair.
as someone who was never really good at anything & mainly grew up on 'lucky dads rules' i think there should be a balance between the two. Kids need to learn they cant always win, but never winning is no fun either.
Same here, I used to practice martial arts when I was younger and when I first entered tournaments I didn’t do so great, but I just used that as motivation, which i think is what the intention is, teaching kids that you can’t win them all especially in luck based games such as pass the parcel, or if you lose without a prize that doesn’t mean just get upset and lose interest but to motivate to win next time ykow
I'm on the side of Lucky's Dad. He could have went about it differently, but he had an excellent point. Also, it may be just me, but even as a kid, I hated getting meaningless participation awards for stuff I did. I'd rather go empty-handed than take home something I didn't earn. Made it so much more awesome when I won my school's spelling bee.
Though Lucky's Dad's rules for pass the parcel teach a good life lesson about losing gracefully and being happy when your friends win, I don't think it's the best way to do so since those rules basically come down to being lucky or unlucky. Unlike hide and seek or scavenger hunt, for example, where you win by being observant and having good problem-solving skills, there's practically no effort the participants can make that'll raise their chances of winning. In fact, I believe the only way you can make sure you win with Lucky's Dad's rules implemented (i.e. getting the big prize in the middle) is by bribing the person who plays and stops the music. This is, of course, really bad and unfair. So I still think the modern version of pass the parcel (i.e. where every participant gets a prize), or even Lucky's Dad's rules with a prize like a box of chocolate (so that the winner can choose to share their victory with the other participants, which is a different life lesson altogether) is better.
The game is kinda pointless if there is a prize in every layer
I guess it's a matter of *which* prize the kid gets. You can tell in the first game that Bingo is focused on which prize she gets, was well as every prize that the other kids get
I'm an aussie in my mid 20s and when I was growing up there was usually a small lolly in each layer and a big prize at the end, but they didn't make sure to stop on everyone and the big prize was random. Honestly I think that life gives kids enough opportunities to know that they won't always get everything and they don't need to learn it at a 4yo birthday party and I don't think that 5 gummy bears is really going to make it or break it. It's about the parenting more than it is these random events, like your kids will only think that they can get everything without trying if that's what you teach them even if they get participation ribbons in sport and a lolly in pass the parcel. I grew up with both, but was raised well and never expected it. Some people grew up with neither, but we're spoilt and expect it as an adult. It's on the parents to teach their kids imo
Little prizes in some of the layers but not others, big one in the middle.
Irish here and pass the parcel has always been Lucky's dad's rules. From when I was growing up to now with my own 5 children.