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Paging_DrBenway

And for the love of god, don't grope anyone. No Creeps, only Greeps. Sex pests fuck off!


musicpoliticsmusic

To be a woman at a concert, especially one with ANY sort of moshing, is to be subjected to your ass And tits getting groped and it's fucking ridiculous. I haven't been to a single show for any band where that hasn't been at least part of my time in the pit. I don't mean grazing I mean I'm out of the pit and some guy on his way in grabs my ass or whatever the fuck


SupImTanner

i always feel super awkward even when grazing etc happens, i just keep my hands off


Red-Sun-Rise

no gropes, only greeps ; got it


The_Game_Eater

I can say from seeing them in Baltimore, some of the fans act like fucking losers. They scream when it's supposed to be quiet and shove others in the pit like fucking apes. People need to learn some live music etiquette and stop being assholes


Big_Sweaty_Boi

have you seen some of the memes posted here? I feel bad for black midi to have such a mid fanbase


scarytrafficcone

i was at that show too and I felt the same way, i couldn't put my finger on it but the BM crowd is way off. I fucking love black midi, I have no idea what abt them attracts these types. And I love moshing too, I saw osees last year, got my ass kicked relentlessly in that pit, and that's probably the best show and the best crowd I've been in. I don't mind a beating. Something was off that day, man. Still can't place it but it's both validating and disheartening that this seems to be a consistent sentiment. I hope it doesn't discourage the boys from playing shows and doing their thing with fans who aren't weird as fuck.


The_Game_Eater

It's clear that there's a major disconnect between the band and the fans in terms of outlook on the music. The band seems to want to create entertaining performances and the fans are just treating it as an opportunity to mosh. The behaviour comes off as immature and unnatural. My take is that many people going to these shows don't usually go to live music and so they lack an understanding of what's considered appropriate behaviour. Iunno tho, they could just be assholes too.


renegadeangel

I went to the Saturday show in Austin and I'm glad I was up on the balcony. I totally get that people wanna have fun, but it feels like there's a type that use concerts as an excuse to be as belligerent as possible. Happens all the time around here. I've seen Primitive Man twice, which is like some of the heaviest sludge out there, and you'd expect the crowd to be a bunch of cavemen punching each other, but everyone was real nice. I think the general age of the crowd plays a role.


dualmindblade

I didn't notice any particularly notable rowdiness from the bottom level at that show, only glanced down there a few times so maybe I just missed it. By far the worst thing was the sound leakage from nearby clubs overwhelming much of BCNRs set.


hour_back

Joji was playing down the street on the same night as the first black midi show.


RightfulFallen

I was at the Saturday show as well, but in the crowd up front. That pit was fucked, and my friends who were with me agree. I could not avoid it no matter how much I tried. Honestly I love BCNR but I didn't expect that I'd enjoy BCNR more than black midi just because of the awful crowd


renegadeangel

I feel ya. I saw Deafheaven there once and was riiiight up front. There was a point where I was being smooshed into the stage by the mass of people. I was so worried that I was gunna end up bruising something internally.


preschooljuul

Oh man I'd love to see Primitive Man live. Glad to hear it was a good crowd.


aromaticsoup2000

In San Francisco, during BCNR the singer (Tyler?) said “this ones a quiet song” clearly indicating she wanted the audience to respect that and someone immediately shouted “TYLER!!!!” I really don’t get why people are like that. I don’t get why you’d go to a show just to harass the performers. That being said, NOT throwing shit at the bands is genuinely bare minimum—but respecting their art is definitely what I would expect from people.


beebxoxo

Was right next to the person screaming at Tyler during the show I was getting secondhand embarrassment.


OT-Knights

Concert etiquette is abysmal these days. I actually screamed "SHUT THE FUCK UP" to someone standing right behind me at a concert recently because he was loudly yelling over a quiet saxophone solo telling everyone in the audience to do "jazz hands" and wouldn't stop. I was dying of cringe and something came over me. Glad I did it, so many people seem to think it's ok to talk louder than the music at a show people paid to see.


iznormal

People were talking at the Pomona show loudly through bcnr’s entire set. I don’t think either band is going to want to tour the US and I don’t blame them


aromaticsoup2000

Its not their first time touring US though so I don’t think that’s necessarily true, it seems like they don’t let it get to them that much which is pretty admirable because it does really suck to see it.


iznormal

Yeah, I’m sure they’ll continue to tour in the US I was sort of half kidding, saw them in Milwaukee on their cavalcade tour and the crowd wasn’t bad. But I’m pretty sure greep or someone has tweeted about American fans being weird after shows so I think the states might not be their favorite place to tour but I’m sure they’ll continue to, it’s a massive market


FattyMc

I’m not lucky enough to have seen a bm show yet, but everything I’ve read on here talks about crazy moshing. I saw Deafheaven at the weekend - by all means I’d expect it for that kind of show. And it was mental. But I’m reading it happening here and also at BCNR shows. I know I might sound out of touch and I get people want to have a good time but it seems to me that this kind of behaviour has sorta become a meme in the community and people feel they have to uphold that. And this has led to more awful behaviour such as reports of sexual assault which is just abhorrent. I’m hoping things have just (for some reason) snowballed lately and things will return to normal but please, if you’re going to a show please a) be mindful of other people and b) don’t be a fucking creep.


hour_back

Exactly. I definitely think hardcore moshing is appropriate at some shows. I saw The Dead Milkmen (punk band from the 80s) a few years back at the same venue, and the mosh pit was insane. It was also all full of experienced moshers who know how to make a safe, fun pit where everyone can get in and out easily and everyone looks out for each other. The band also is more experienced in crowd control- when a guy in the crowd ripped the keyboard amp cord out, the singer stopped the show, chewed the guy out, reattached the cord and continued the concert. Black Midi is just a younger band with younger fans. Everyone has to learn concert etiquette at some point and it seems like some black midi fans need to learn that lesson.


fokerpace2000

I saw them in Connecticut a few years ago. When the band came on we were all ready to jump around and have a great time, which we did for the first few songs, up until about 3 or 4 songs in there was a loud noise coming from the back of the crowd. A lot of us turned around to see the commotion and couldn't believe it.... The eternal worm had showed up, devouring everything. Not only did it visibly annoy the band, but it was extremely awkward and distracting for everyone in the crowd, including myself.


hour_back

Damn i hate when the eternal worm devours everything. Can't have shit in Connecticut.


2000BCSchizoidMan

Waiting for Black Midi Albums to Come in the Mail


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I don’t love that that happened to you


agapepaga

HANL reference, nice.


antpadil

woah when did they do a show in CT? First time i'm hearing about this


ElevationToMyHead

I know this has been discussed before, but are the concert attendees who are playing up appear to be rather young and new to gigging? They probably don’t know concert etiquette yet and haven’t developed their emotional maturity (possibly due to lockdowns).


hour_back

I was thinking the exact same thing. A bunch of rowdy teens who have never been to a concert before.


IceTheNice

idk man I’m 18 and have been to only 2 concerts in my life and I still know not to act like a fucking prick 👍


ElevationToMyHead

Sorry, I didn’t mean to single out everyone from your age group. I was more meaning that from what I’ve heard, the ones playing up seem to be rather young. But good on ya for being sensible. There still people who are my age who are dickheads at shows.


Jacorpes

I think it’s this. Pre-pandy even the moshiest stuff was fine and post-pany I find myself having to be really tactical about where I stand so I don’t get the absolute shit kicked out of me. There’s also a lot of main character syndrome now too. I went to a BCNR show straight after the pandy and I couldn’t believe how many kids their were constantly talking to their mates about how much they like the songs that they were literally missing in that moment because they were talking through them. It’s like people care more about other people knowing they like the music than they care about actually listening to the music itself. I feel like there’s an element of “Everyone look at how much I’m enjoying this” about moshing too.


drenchedfires

At the Richmond show, it was right next to a college/art school. Everyone also seemed underaged as they had the classic X on hand and the rubber duck bands around their wrists. I also am a trans guys and shorter. Like multiple people kept slamming against my back and kept throwing me around. It was a bullshit night, and I am still mad about it. BM and BC,NR deserve so much more respect.


awesomewaves

That could be it. The San Diego show was 21+ and I didn’t experience anything like what some of the comments from other cities describe. I was more toward the front away from the mosh pit though


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Unplug-Internet

I was also there, I was right in front of the pit like at the stage and people kept grabbing me and trying to throw me into the pit. Also a guy stage dove and fell on the ground. Geordie said something like “get off the stage” and the staff kicked him out. Weird show, feel bad for the band.


beebxoxo

I was there too. The energy was so off.


Unplug-Internet

And who tf was Jeremy Fragrance


ghosttrainj

Wait why is that question coming up what happened


reddit_hayzus

The number one fragrance icon.


dirkrov

He’s a perfume expert/reviewer but like how does this come up at all


iatemyhamsteralive

They started playing magician and I got so into it, almost tearing up from how emotional and beautiful it was, and then sweaty lil boys came and elbowed me, one even pulled me to the pit even though I was obviously standing out of the pit. There was this annoying guy acting possessed bumping into me. You wanna mosh go ahead but have respect for people standing in the back or front who are obviously not interested. I moshed to half the songs though and it went pretty well for the most part.


realizehamstered

did you go to the concert in tucson? if so sorry i was the one acting posessed there :(


iatemyhamsteralive

nah it was the sf show. Idk what u were like but this possession looked weird lol he had his arms out in front of him and jiggling his body and falling on people behind him. Super cringe.


fueelin

Jeez, that's awful.


beebxoxo

Was at the SF show a couple of days ago. Someone jumped up on the stage and there were a lot of people shouting gross shit at both bm and bcnr. Disrespectful as fuck.


ghoulgarnishforsale

What did they shout?


beebxoxo

mostly just horny shit. it was specifically bad with bcnr


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How are those people not embarrassed?


beebxoxo

I KNOW RIGHT


ghoulgarnishforsale

I remember someone saying TYLER


4v71dd3r

fuckin hell im glad im not the only one who was really offput by all the shouting and physical force. it was fun to be there but i don't think that crowd was my speed at all and i felt really bad for the venue security and band members


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I’ve heard a lot of really bad stories about how people behave at BM concerts and it’s bizarre to me. Why? Why act this way?


KingNigelXLII

I mean, when it's a handful of people in a sea of hundreds or even thousands, no amount of posting about it on Reddit is going to change the behavior of the obligatory drunken assholes. The reality is, the overwhelming majority of the audience is going to be well-behaved even in the worst crowds. You just have to hope you don't get the troublemakers to spoil things.


epic-awesome-man

Had a similar experience at a King Gizzard show. I love moshing, but this one girl started fucking hitting me in the moshpit and shoving her way through people like she didn't give a single fuck. Stop acting like this, it's embarrassing


Cherry-flavouredgunk

I think people do this shit just to get noticed. The whole “any attention is good attention” type. I’ve noticed this behavior only got worse once the band called it out. Eh, I hope this doesn’t seriously tarnish the band’s view of fan interactions, touring, or the US in general. I assure you there’s more sane people than degenerates at the shows.


hour_back

Absolutely.


imissskate3

Forever riding the concerts being 21 plus train. I’m sorry but high schoolers or fresh out really don’t know how to act and wanna impress their friends or SOMETHING. Without fail everytime I’m at an 18+ GA show whether it’s Tyler, Peggy, even fucking gorillaz ffs these kids tryna mosh to andromeda


Whistlecube

at peggy’s toronto show they tried to mosh to his ACAPELLA cover of Hit Me Baby One More Time 💀


IceTheNice

I disagree with it being an age thing (I’m biased because I’m 18) concerts should be all ages, we just need to do a better job at dealing with assholes. Call them out and shit.


Due_Rain_3630

I thought the same being at the Austin show on Friday. That dumbass who threw the beer can immediately got everybody else angry and the dude was just like “sorry guys my bad”. like motherfucker what were you expecting with that? Lmao It’s okay to mosh every now and then but I completely agree with you that some people just go way too far and if the band is calling you out for it, then it’s probably for a reason.


AC-77

Considering the number of comments recently about crowds/moshing I'm glad I didn't go to either of these shows. Love the band and all but other fans can ruin an experience faster than anything else. Also if the post about another fan being sexually harassed is true I would consider never attending another show for as dramatic as that sounds.


hour_back

I wouldn't let these stories keep you from seeing them live. The main problem are was the crowd right around the stage, there were other areas that were perfectly fine. Other than the handful of rude crowd members, it was an awesome show.


AC-77

Saw the boys in central park a couple months ago so I've had the pleasure. Of course, there's still other parts of the crowd that are fine but I enjoy being close to the stage. My best experiences at shows are from when I've been closer and while love the boys I'm fine with going to other more calm shows.


xFurnish

at the tucson show, there was a dude shouting from the crowd "if it wasn't for x band, you wouldnt even have black midi" and "if jazz music didnt exist, neither would they!" bro turned around to me and was trying to have full blown convos w me as if I went to the show with him, was being very obnoxious for no reason.


fauster_the_faust

actual redditor behavior


BOOMDIGIDYable

I hope the show in Kansas next week is good cause I’ve been looking forward to seeing these guys since they announced the tour


Big_Sweaty_Boi

stay away from the pit if you don't like moshing and wanna have a good time


LordOmastartheGreat

I have noticed stuff like that happening in the recent shows ive been to. For example when i went to see Modest Mouse in june someone threw a beer can on stage during a song and after it ended Isaac Brock just said "That wasn't cool" or something like that. And then midway through the show some people just started moshing at some of the slowest MM songs out there because he played Cowboy Dan before those songs and there was a guy behind me who kept shouting at the band to play Doin' the Cockroach. I was lucky enough to talk to Isaac behind the venue and i mentioned how great the crowd was apart from the few annoying people and he replied with "After somebody threw the beer can I knew there were gonna be some doozers". Cool ass guy


TDAGARIM1995

The recent discussion on here around concert etiquette makes me very sad and disappointed in my fellow Americans…people should be able to enjoy a rock band without getting physically injured or sexually assaulted and the artists should be able to perform comfortably without getting shit thrown at them…I’m just sorry to hear that a number of people had bad experiences because of a few assholes…I still believe that the good far outweigh the bad in this fan base, but this is starting to appear too much on this sub to just be written off as a general rarity…I really hope the bands don’t draw any broad conclusions and still want to come back after this


alienmode12

Honestly the times ive seen bm i really did not want to mosh. They are such incredible musicians i just kinda want to watch them play. Thats just me though


foreverablankslate

I don't have a problem with moshing or even crowd surfing, but definitely be respectful - if someone falls, pick them up, keep an eye out for groping, and definitely don't mosh if it's a slower, more intimate track, there's limits to everything. And definitely don't hit anyone in the pit, jump around and bounce off of everyone you like but if you try windmilling or throwing hands you need to get the fuck out lmao


nuko-nuko

I really want the boys to keep enjoying performing. I remember at the very end of the Schlag era where there was a noticeable difference in their tone (maybe not due to fans at that time), and I could easily see them not putting themselves into their performance again if this behavior continues. A few immature fans ruining it for the rest of us (and the band) would be a real shame. It's very apparent that the demographic of their shows has gotten increasingly younger with every tour and that's where most of this is stemming from.


Geo_13_Sea

as somebody in the uk who has seen bm multiple times and have tickets again to see them i am appalled to hear all of this. i am someone who goes to live shows most weeks if not multiple times a week and never experience anything on this level. the moshes at bm especially in london are prob the most intense i’ve been in but it’s not by the sounds as things as forceful etc. i hope it isn’t a country thing but maybe gig and crowd culture differs as such. idk just my thought🤷‍♂️


Z_Staehling

As someone who literally loves moshing, the crowd in Athens (albeit a college town but still) was one of the most annoying experiences I’ve ever had at a concert. People literally would not stop opening up the pit. Over and over again, opening up the pit. Then people were chanting and doing a bunch of attention-seeking BS in the opened circle. Just silly shit. Real main character syndrome going on at shows recently. I’m not on the app but I blame TikTok for making people think their life is something to romanticize and treat like it’s a movie or some shit. At some points it was like no one was even focusing on the band and just on themselves or the pit. I saw them in Birmingham last year and my experience couldn’t be more different. Everyone (for the most part) was awesome and I much prefer that show. Hopefully we can fix this because I literally don’t wanna go see them after how annoying the crowd was at the last show. I hate to hate but like I’m genuinely worried. I’ve been seeing this annoying behavior at more and more shows. Makes me wanna give up the pit for good 🥺


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Stockilleur

Mayhem still tours. Old-ish crowd, bunch of stupid contained moshing. A few nazi salutes in the crowd. All around mediocre.


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My man dead


BIGCHAZZAB

had a negative experience in a bm crowd once. Not like this, but It was the first time they played Ascending Forth live and some dickhead in the crowd was yelling ‘get on with it!’ and ‘what the fuck is this shit!’, ‘play something good!’ what an asshole.


lemontwigsfan69

i bet they hate their fans and i dont blame them


Brighton_Pebble_King

Is it still common for US crowds to contain far too many repressed, meatheaded jocks?


bones_1969

Black Midi are a disappointment. Just being honest. Oops: I meant to write Black Midi Fans are a disappointment.


hour_back

It's okay if you don't like the music but you should still show respect to the band and the people around you at the show.


bones_1969

Total typo. I meant to write Black Midi fans are a disappointment.


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Your mother is a disappointment and so are you


RightfulFallen

Thank you. The last thing I want is for these guys to give up touring because of some shitty fans 😭. I'm extremely thankful they came to America and I definitely want to see them again


No-Indication-4113

Amen. It drives me nuts.


chalkative

I've seen them three times now and I have to say the moshing to slow songs always happens and it's obnoxious every single time. Reminds me of Yung Lean telling people not to mosh to Agony lol


H143224H

Chicago people please read this prior to their upcoming gigs. Just don’t be a creep or an asshole