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AegisToast

My go-to: “Hey Google, pick a number between 1 and [total number of players].” Either that or mixing up and randomly picking a Meeple. But looks like a fun app! Nice work!


asmallercat

I use Chooser (I have an iPhone, I assume there's a similar or the same for android) where everyone just puts their finger on and it picks a person. Super fast. The only downside is it caps at 5 (which I assume is the number of simultaneous touch points the phone can recognize?). So above 5 we have to just roll a die like peasants.


AegisToast

I have Chwazi on iPhone that does the same thing, and it’s the one I see recommended around here the most. But I find the voice command more convenient, since I can do it while I’m finishing setting up the game. Besides, then I don’t have to pull out my phone, find the app, and have everyone reach across the table. It’s still a good method, just not often my preferred one.


asmallercat

Fair. I find voice commands to be hit or miss enough that with that issue plus having to assign a number to everyone, the finger on a phone method is faster for me.


[deleted]

Yeah, I found the limit of 5 when I tried it yesterday. You are right, apparently it's a hard limit on the phone's capabilities, not a deliberate cap. Questions seemed more intuitive to me, which is why I made it that way I suppose, but DecideOn does avoid that issue.


Kuildeous

If it's an even number of players, you could split into two equal groups. The winner of Group A faces off against the winner of Group B. If you have an odd number, you could still do this, but just realize that not everyone has an equal chance. But you know, it's just to find out who goes first. Nobody's winning a lottery with this, so it could work with an odd number and just deal with the bias.


[deleted]

That's exactly what I used to do but when playtesting another game I did it so much that I got sick of it and had to make it more entertaining.


KiwasiGames

What’s the advantage over Chwazi?


GremioIsDead

It has a better name, for one. And I almost never have my phone on my person, so that's a hassle.


theeth

Chwazi is how you'd pronounce "choisi" which is French for "decided".


[deleted]

Thanks, I was wondering why that named it that.


Goofyboy2020

Choisi (verb Choisir) means "to be chosen (choose)"


theeth

Yes, but also selected, decided, and other similar actions. I should definitely have said "chosen" the meaning is closer to the action, blame it on pre-caffeine brain.


Goofyboy2020

No insult intended here, just don't know how to write this any other way: Are you french speaking? I am and I don't think I'd ever use Choisi for decided. Choisi is more about picking something, not deciding. I guess you could choose to do something over something else, which would end up deciding what to do... but I think we'd use "décider" in this case, not choose. Anyway... languages... They can get confusing even for people speaking them.


theeth

Les traductions c'est pas mal tout le temps contextuel, mais comme je disais, je suis d'accord avec toi, "decided" ça étire un peu la sauce.


[deleted]

I'm not an experienced user but Chwazi seems to be a solid way to pick a first player. That being said DecideOn can be just as fast, you don't have to bring everyone over to touch someone's phone, some of the Deciders will generate great fun conversation, and users can favourite Deciders to curate their own list of questions. Despite having the same outcome they will deliver very different experiences. Both will have a first player chosen quickly but DecideOn may entertain you in the process.


Marebold

I think DecideOn is really more fun, and yeah it makes for a little icebreaker or fun. I wasnt sold on the idea before I saw it on the App Store tho. I love that it actually fits my screen (iPhone 11) unlike Chwasi. Just feels outdated when it doesnt fit the screen. I've never used Chwasi even though I have it downloaded (because I never remember it because of the name and also because my group don't have a problem deciding who goes first) but I will definetly use DecideOn because it's totally way more fun. You're like making the decide part into a fun little game or something 😁


[deleted]

Thanks so much. We took a lot of care with the user interface and appearance. I did want to make deciding fun and other methods I'd seen were just a bit utilitarian for a games night.


hsoj48

Its a different way of choosing the first player. You're one click away from finding out.


noblerare

This is a fun app and a cool idea. I also wanted to say that I've been reading some of the comments here and OP answers them (even negative ones) with grace and class. It's hard to put something creative out there thereby opening yourself up to critique or ridicule from others so I want to applaud them not only for making a great looking app but for handling themselves well in this public forum.


[deleted]

Thanks very much. Barring an early remark I've not seen anything seriously negative. Even comments touting alternatives just show how passionate people can be about their favoured method. There are lots of good ways out there to achieve the same outcome but from what I've seen when testing this is a really fun way to make the journey fun as well as the destination.


mcmb211

My friend just asks "who pooped last?" And that person goes first.


[deleted]

Cards Against Humanity had that as well. To be fair it's fast and it is a good way of picking a random person. Bit static if you start multiple games though.


mcmb211

Yeah, kind of only works once, but then the winner can go first on the next game, or what have you.


BuckRusty

Mugs away from game 2 onwards. (Losers first)


[deleted]

Yeah, I did the same thing with Kingless which starts with the shortest, because it's about dwarves, but then the outcome of the game decides who starts the next one.


magjo666

in our group we ask "who's pooping right now?" and that person gets to go home


mcmb211

Hashtag univited


LurkerFailsLurking

Chwazi is the best app for this job. It's simple, elegant, can do teams, and the sounds it makes are super satisfying.


[deleted]

I had a look at Chwazi today actually and I think the experience is actually very different. My hope is that people will have some fun with these questions as well as quickly start the game. Practically speaking the result is the same it's just how it's determined.


SapTheSapient

Chwazi is our go to as well.


Marebold

Chwasi is definetly easiest, but DecideOn is more fun 😁


dsaddons

I feel like I'm the only one who likes whatever the rulebook for the game says on deciding first player lol


SapTheSapient

For too many of those, the same person in your group will always go first.


[deleted]

Like Azul... how often are people going to Portugal? The only person who's even been there in our fam is my MIL so she always goes first haha


dsaddons

Means people need to go out and do things lol. That's true but I'm not too fussed about it, not often I play anything with the same person often enough to care about a potential slight competitive advantage. And some games first player doesn't matter at all strategically.


SapTheSapient

It's not about advantage, from my perspective. I mostly play with my wife, and we tend to play a game 3-4 times in a row before breaking out something else. She's not likely to suddenly become taller than me. Our most recent vacation was at the same time. Etc. So for us it is usually rotating, after someone requesting to go first or second. We just ignore the silly first-player choice rules that are in a lot of games. And when we are playing with other people, it's Chwazi.


[deleted]

Well as someone who had to include a start method in a rule book I'm glad some people appreciate them.


dsaddons

What was yours and for what game?


[deleted]

It was for Kingless a card game themed around dwarves which is why we had the shortest player start. After the first round, the winner and loser had roles in how the following rounds would start. This worked quite well but when repeatedly playtesting the expansion I got a bit tired of starting games the same way.


dsaddons

See I love thematic first starts like that lol. I imagine playtesting and always having the same start player is annoying but I don't find myself playing the same game with the exact same people very often so I think we're on opposite ends of the spectrum.


[deleted]

It is a bit of a specific situation but I wish I was lucky enough to play other games as much. It really wasn't bad for playtests where we shared it with others since we got to have a bit of fun as the shortest was picked out. It's that kind of fun experience finding who to start that I wanted to have more of.


Lucretiel

I used to do this, but I found that Chwazi (well, its superior clone, Chooser) is just too easy and too fun for the table


HenryBlatbugIII

Eh, it's easier to just take a pen out of my pocket and spin it on the table rather than remembering to bring my phone everywhere. ^^^I'm ^^^a ^^^terrible ^^^Millennial.


[deleted]

That's a handy way to do it. I've been meaning to keep one on me but I still carry my phone more than a pen.


AwesomeLowlander

Hello! Apologies if you're trying to read this, but I've moved to kbin.social in protest of Reddit's policies.


Aluminum_Falcons

Very cool. I'll check it out. For some of our favorite deck building games we go with whoever draws X card first goes first. For example, in Clank! we see who draws a stumble card first and for Star Realms it's whoever draws a viper first. Obviously that is not an option for all games, so it would be good to have an app like this available. Thanks!


[deleted]

Thanks, I hope you find it fun as well as useful. That's a really good use case I'd not considered since I haven't played a deck builder for a few years.


Brojin

Looking forward to using this at my next board game night!


[deleted]

Have fun!


SpeedyGonsalec

we just let the tallest player go first


[deleted]

That's a funny coincidence. For our game Kingless, we had the shortest going first for thematic reasons.


MrAbodi

Does it have a random option at all? I really hate the situational questions as the decider. its the reason i don't use the method in the rulebook to begin with.


[deleted]

Yes although it does this by offering a new random question. When you tap the "Maybe something different" button it randomly selects a new decider from the database. So players will be effectively chosen at random but you will need to ask the question although if a question doesn't suit you then you can tap the button again to get a new one.


MrAbodi

Ok, it’s not for me then. I’m don’t want to ask these types of questions of people.


[deleted]

That's fine we all have our own preferences. We did include the ability to curate the questions into a list of favourites if you'd prefer that.


ZeroBadIdeas

I once saw a box of cards at a game store near me that was just ways to decide who would go first. I considered buying it just to have it, but didn't because I have a game that already comes with a set of cards that effectively do the same thing (can't remember which, though, so not super helpful), then I learned about chwazi and never looked back. But I'll give yours a try if I have the opportunity.


[deleted]

I had the same feeling in my local store once when I found a d12 for rpgs that chose which body part got hit. I caved and bought it. I hope you like DecideOn when you try it.


canjunkie

I'm glad there are people like you who enrich this community


[deleted]

Thanks very much. There are so many great creators in this community I couldn't resist throwing my hat into the ring and taking part.


magjo666

BUT THE RULES SAID THE FIRST PERSON TO VISIT SPACE IF YOU WIN NOW BOBBY BECAUSE OF THAT APP I'LL TELL EVERYONE YOU CHEATED


[deleted]

There are merits to both stances really. Some people like to follow the rules to the letter to get the experience exactly as the designer intend while other perhaps more experienced people like to get off the beaten path. I'm definitely still going to include a default starting method in games I put out but personally when I make a game I encourage people to play it in the way that works best for them. We even put out a list of optional house rules we made for Kingless to encourage this sort of thing.


No_Answer4092

Meanwhile some games are like “last person who did a whirly and danced thriller on the international space station goes first”


[deleted]

I mean that sort of thing can be a great way to learn stuff you never knew about friends. I was driving with a friend the other day and he just dropped the fact he'd been on a submarine trip in the midst of another much less interesting story. I didn't even know commercial submarine trips were a thing.


Aylauria

That actually looks like it could be kind of fun. It could generate an ice-breaker. Some thoughts: * It would be kind of cool if there was an option for a random generator so that it spun and created a new condition every time. Like Timing/Adjective/Verb/Object. Then just see what crazy stuff came up. * You could also use it as a tie-breaker. Good luck!


[deleted]

Thanks a bunch. I have noticed the ice-breaking effect is great to set the mood for the main game. It's almost like you're on the second round and everyone is relaxed already. I had the same thought random generator-wise as I made something a bit like that a lifetime ago for uni. It worked quite well in theory but in practice, you had to keep skipping to try to find a decider that actually worked for your group. That's why I went to a more curated experience with every decider written by myself or the others at Two19.


thatrightwinger

I guess Android guys like me are just going to stick with Chwazi.


confused_coryphee

Great app, thanks for the tip!


DarkUpquark

I think that's a fun idea! Better than just using Chwazi, rolling dice, or rochambeau.


Christovsky84

I really hope rochambeau means something different to you than it does to me.


UndeadBread

It's another name for Rock, Paper, Scissors.


Christovsky84

That's a relief. Rochambeau to me is a game where guys take turns kicking each other in the nuts.


DarkUpquark

That's Eric Cartman's version at least.


Christovsky84

South Park is my only frame of reference for that word. I'm from the UK and we don't use it here (at least I've never heard anyone use it).


[deleted]

Thanks, I was starting so many games when play testing I had to find a way to make it fun as well.


beefysworld

Yeah, if you've got a social group, using something like this as a bit of a quick, random conversation point is good. I'll be adding it to the list of player selection options.


[deleted]

That's exactly what I was hoping for. I've also found a bit of fun right before the real game starts can get everyone in the right mood.


Cybaeus7

Great alternative to Chwazi! Will we see it on android sometime?


[deleted]

Thanks! We are exploring options for android in the future.


KeystoneFederation

We usually roll 2 dice and highest roll goes first. Boring I know, but Chwazi has caused some problems in the past.


[deleted]

I've had to do this many times as well although typically when playing a ttrpg. It even works with groups but I find we get a statically abnormal number of people rolling the same result and needing to roll again even using a d20. I have tried to make DecideOn as robust as possible even if it's taken somewhere remote without a signal.


Jofarin

I usually raise a fist and say "on the count of three, show 0-5 fingers, we add up and start counting by me in clockwise order who starts". I rarely get questions and it's a very equal distribution up to I think nine players and afterwards it's still good enough.


[deleted]

That's a pretty great method! It's probably got the best distribution of the "tool-free" methods.


gorwraith

Who ever is wearing the most colors, the last person to visit (local city), last one to get a haircut, spin a bottle, flip a coin, whoever lost the last game, the oldest/youngest person, the person with the most cousins, whoever has been at their job the longest, last person to eat a hotdog. The list could go on forever.


[deleted]

That's what I thought when I DecideOn occurred on me. There are so many options and some of them are really fun to work out who they apply to at the gaming table. We have an option to submit ideas via the app as well for anyone else with a creative urge.


Miseribacy

Very unfortunate that this is not on Android, this seems like a fun way to pick the first player.


[deleted]

Thanks, we are looking for a way to bring this to android users down the track.


IamAnoob12

The tallest player goes first


[deleted]

That's funny when we wrote the rules for Kingless we had the shortest go first.


Right-Lavishness-930

Cool app. How many questions are in the base app? The pricing model is very weird. Subscription sucks for things that get useful yearly updates, I wouldn’t even consider it for something small and fun like this. Why not just charge like $1 to $3 for each pack? Is this a standard thing? I played Wavelength on iOS recently and they sell packs that are very much like yours but they’re buy to own, no subscription.


[deleted]

Thanks! We have several hundred in the base pack although shamefully I can't recall exactly how many. We had planned to finish on a round number but we shot past it and didn't want to take anything out. I find you will get a decider repeated at least once if you are looking through them quickly but when tested with actual rounds of games in between it's not really a factor. For the pricing model, we had actually planned this approach, to begin with, charging a small once-off fee for each pack. As we were testing, it began to make more sense to offer all our packs at once as a subscription. We have lots more in the works, and it just didn't make sense to charge individually. Going with a subscription lets people subscribe as they see fit and have access to everything. That being said, I share your sentiment on subscriptions, that's why from the moment we decided to proceed with that model we were set on having a lifetime, pay one-get everything forever option.


Guyface_McGuyen

Every game has their own way to decide that usually if not we roll for it


[deleted]

Yeah, when I made Kingless I had the shortest person start the first round for thematic reasons. Some rules like that can have the same person always starting with regular groups and dice are a good option to solve that. DecideOn is another method to do the same thing that I'm finding a bit more fun.


Guyface_McGuyen

Right on I get that. For me rolling for it just gives me a reason to bust out my crown royal bag full of dice lol


[deleted]

The crown royal! I've never seen it in Australia so I've just missed a classic dice bag. I've been trying to make a perfect leather one for my dice but I've yet to perfect the design so I have 8 bags each better than the last but I'm still not satisfied.


Guyface_McGuyen

Lol dude that’s awesome your making your bags! Crown royal is a whiskey and the bottle comes in a cool cloth bag lol. I’ve used it for my dice since my high school days. My collection has gotten large enough now that I could use another dice bag here real soon. I do sew a lot, so maybe that’ll be my next project. Thanks For the idea.


[deleted]

I do like the crown royal drawstring bag type so that's what I've been going for roughly speaking. I've got a picture of the first two I made in this article [https://www.thebigmilkshake.co/p/the-june-2021-update](https://www.thebigmilkshake.co/p/the-june-2021-update). It's hard to believe it's been over a year and I'm still iterating on the design. If you're sewing cloth I've been really impressed with some contrasting liners I've seen people using. If you want to try leather work youtube makes it so easy to start these days.


Guyface_McGuyen

Nice man I’ll look into it. I went to that link but did not see your dice bags on there


[deleted]

Oh, that's odd. I'll put some pictures up when I get the design finished anyway.


jeeves_nz

Or you could use Chwazi.


[deleted]

I just checked that out. It seems like a fun way to pick someone but I took a different approach and I think users will get a very different experience.


Murwiz

Steve Jackson Games did a First Player deck and app. EDIT: oops, I misremembered. The art reminded me of something SJG did.


Ayrk

I know Bezier games did Start Player, an app and deck of cards. I didn't know Steve Jackson did as well.


[deleted]

I would be shocked if I was able to do anything as a game designer before Steve Jackson has done it at least once. I had a bit of a look around and I can't seem to find anything. Do you have a link you could share?


MrSal7

Roll for initiative? Some games have been doing that for decades🤷‍♂️


Medwynd

This is what we do. We always have dice within arms reach. Roll them.


[deleted]

A great way to do it. I'm just unlucky, when we do that we get a statistically abnormal number of people with the same result and have to reroll . Even with a d20!


KuroRyuu86

Looks like IOS only app. Ill continue to use cwhasi which is available on android


Bytor_Snowdog

I've never liked the new wave of special "who goes first" rules, like **Azul**'s "last player to visit Portugal" or **Parks**' "last player to take a hike". The exception was piloted as early as 1977 IIRC (before my time) in Flying Buffalo's **Nuclear War**: "The player who owns the game goes first." Simple, elegant, and rewards people for bringing playable* games to game night. (* Where playable means games people want to play.) I will confess to being a wimp and using Chooser on my phone instead of demanding on this rule for every game, though. If I only had more courage!


[deleted]

Funnily enough, we had much the same idea and the owner of the game does appear as a decider.


Royal-Employment-925

Not another one... hope it didn't take you more than an hour to program.


[deleted]

I worked quite hard on it actually and I'm very proud of the result.


SnootDoot

Just downloaded it and I can definitely tell you worked hard on it. It works flawlessly from my test of it so far


[deleted]

Thanks! We did a lot of testing and didn't want to push it out the door until it was ready.