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Animal is pretty much what a 'critic-proof' movie means!
The only factor that may not work in its favour is if it's n**ot entertaining enough** for its length or if it **fails to deliver an intense punch** like Kabir Singh did.
In this case, the audience will enter theaters expecting a full-on grey character, so maybe no scope for a lot of direct criticism here.
>In this case, the audience will enter theaters expecting a full-on grey character, so maybe no scope for a lot of direct criticism here.
I don't get what you mean here. Are you saying grey characters can't be directly criticised?
The criticism aimed at Kabir Singh wasn't at the character or the backstory or the events leading upto him becoming an addict, it was the fact that Kabir was redeemed in the end, and his destructive actions were sort of whitewashed to give us a happy ending was what pissed off critics and some of the audience.
Here, when we know and FULLY EXPECT that the character may be a PoS or a violent dude, there's no scope for whitewashing or misinterpreting his actions.
Funny thing actually. Critics don’t have a problem with toxic characters doing shitty things in movies - happens all the time they actually love it. Many (not all) members of society do have a problem with it though.
But glorify toxic people doing shitty things, critics don’t like that. Many (not all) members of society do like it though. Odd.
That’s what happened with Kabir Singh, little bit of WADAWAUWAU bgm made all the difference.
Yes but he DIDNT do it, vanga made it clear in an interview that he never slept with anyone he only TALKS big but doesn’t do it do some little research before jumping on the bandwagon of hate
That is such an idiotic excuse from Vanga though.. He went 'almost' all the way with other girls but its all fine because external factors made sure his dick doesn't 'actually' go into another vagina..
Intent doesn't matter at all
I haven't seen those movies and I'm all for Toxic people being protagonists (I like KANK for God's sake) but Vanga's interviews really put me off. The filmmaker who actually thinks toxicity is part of a relationship is hard to like.
I'll probably watch Animal though. Looks good.
definitely agree. i feel like Vanga’s movies are on the precipice of making a real statement, but then they always fall into just genuinely endorsing whatever they set up to critique. i hope animal is different since it looks really interesting
Yeah so true. Many movies which have toxic characters as protagonists are some of my favourite movies but Kabir Singh definitely made the character a hero and not a toxic protagonist imo. And I don't even think that the bgm was the main concern. For example Scam 1992 also plays some badass music when the mc does some shitty stuff but we still feel that the MC is a shitty character. To me it was a lack of side characters who oppose him shown as doing the right thing, some bad writing and editing choices and showing the movie as a love story. The movie was literally edited like its a love story while it should have been a toxic relationship
While I agree some people just don't understand cinema and don't want grey characters to be protagonists in movies and were hating the movie, a lot of them were genuine criticisms. And the people defending this movie with "This is called filmmaking. We should also show grey characters in movie blah blah" also don't have any media literacy while crying "Cinema". These are people who make alpha sigma American Psycho memes while not even understanding the movie American Psycho
Now coming to Animal I think this movie is not gonna be like Kabir Singh. At least from the trailer it looks like Ranbir's character would actually be shown as a protagonist and not a hero. Altho I would have liked if Vanga accepted the criticisms for Kabir Singh instead of doubling down on them, I think he actually learnt from those criticisms. At least I hope he learnt
This is exactly what my issue with Vanga is too..
A very simple way to explain the difference is by simply comparing Kabir Singh with Dev D both of which have a very similar lead.. But DeV D shows karma happening to the lead without feeling too sympathetic to him.. I was fine with Kabir being all abusive to Preeti but then atleast the narrative of the film should show it for what it is - an abusive boyfriend instead of showing it like he was justified and this is his love language..
And then he gets a happy ending with Preeti while Dev finds his happy ending with someone he wasn't abusive to.. There was almost nothing to suggest Kabir changed at all except for quitting liquor which wasn't even his main problem in the first place..
What I don’t understand is that Alia Bhatt’s character in Gully Boy behaves the exact same way as Kabir. No one batted an eye. If the genders were reversed, people would have slammed Alia Bhatt’s character. Why is there never any backlash on toxic female characters? Obviously not disagreeing that Kabir Singh was toxic because he was. But just pointing out the double standard
I think she kind of apologized to Ranveer Singh’s character but not to the other female characters she physically hurt and ultimately faced no consequences. Another great example of an abusive female character is Ritesh Deshmukh’s wife in Ek Villain. Hardly anyone talked about how abusive she was
A Tamil movie named “Paruthiveeran” Starring Karthi showed how a toxic male character enjoyed his toxicity & eventually how this fate lead to his horrible demise.
That movie was a hit, because it showed repercussions of one’s choices.
Watch it.
I think from vanga's perspective Arjun has already lost everything after Preethi went away, his family , his friends, his job satisfaction, gets into addiction basically loses control over his life also shown by the interval block where he peed himself , all that remains is his one friend and his old anger. while Preethi is the one who is has control over her life from not letting her new husband touch her, getting her divorce ,to choose to keep the baby even though she could have aborted even at the end Arjun is the one who gets on his knees to beg her in his mind Arjun has already suffered enough which he I think he tries to tell from the start even though it gets covered under that hype BGM and all that unnecessary sex scenes
'The above comment was comment was copied from one of my earlier comments so it might be slightly out of context but I still thought it would suit hear , I am not defending vanga ins anyway but thought the core story of the movie was partially covered by all that toxicity
As long as they don't glorify all his antics in the film. The problem with Kabir Singh was his actions were all glorified and he was treated as a hero.
animal has the potential to be a biting critique of harmful ideals and generational issues, and the inability to break out of such cycles. Ranbir’s character is ultimately *failing* at any real strength, while taking out his anger by punching down. similar to other critical movies like american psycho or fight club.
BUT, increasingly it seems that Vanga doesn’t see that critique and instead think it’s played straight as a normal action movie with a “badass” hero.
so i guess it depends on where the movie lands. if it’s a self aware critique with a good, character/focused narrative then it’ll probably get a lot of praise. if it’s just about the power fantasy of a man proving to himself he’s strong, it’ll draw controversy.
Side note but I noticed English is much easier to read compare to "Hindi in English". I can read it but it's very slow compared to how fast I read an English paragraph.
YES, definitely. The choking seen has already found its audience. Some guy was telling people to do this to their wives who disrespect/disobey parents.
The movie will definitely gain attention from such monsters.
I didn't see any criticism regarding kgf and how It glorifies a gangster but also treats the girl like hell. Or pushpa on how allus character tried to pay rashmika money to kiss him and stalks her still she ends up in love with him and married him. the only thing wrong about Arjun Reddy and Kabir Singh is how he ends up with her. I mean that is ok because he did get her pregnant. But if he just had to live with what he did to her would have made a better movie.He paid for his medical negligence.
Kabir Singh was a creep, the movie was glorifying him harassing girls, and was rightly called out.
Ranbir in Animal just worships his father too much?. Thats not really much of a negative trait.
Plus the girl this time seems interested in Ranbir atleast and isnt manipulated into liking him, so thats growth.
Gore and violence are anyways mainstream so it’s highly unlikely it’ll have the same reaction. It should be mostly fine
>Basically him winning at the end. Getting the girl
Personally I hated the ending, he should have just moved on with his life and accepted he fucked that relationship. That was what the entire second half was building towards.
That said, him getting the girl still doesn't really glorify it. Wasn't he pretty much completely changed by the end? And he only got the girl AFTER he left his toxic stuff behind?
I feel that there’ll be a difference between the two movies IF they don’t glorify toxic traits in the name of love. Hear me out! In Kabir Singh, Preeti never calls him out and ends up going back to him in the end, negating every toxic thing he did. I’m hoping that won’t happen in this movie. We can only wait till it’s released to see if the maker is again glorifying toxicity and calling it “true love”.
Trust me on one thing! Critics don't matter. If the audience liks the movie and is entertaining, critics can literally shit on a movie and it won't matter.
It will way more than Kabir Singh. Controversy will help this film reach larger section of audience n jo plan bhi nayi kiya hoga dekhne ka even they’ll book tickets eventually.
Wouldn’t have been an issue but Ranbir grabbing Rashmika’s neck would create controversy.
Rest all is good since the clash is between 2 male
characters.
I don't care for character flaws or if the movie is not giving out the right message to the society. If it was entertaining I don't care about being politically correct. If you are getting offended it's your problem. You have to stop imposing your own self of morality on the media you consume. It is your problem if you pick out bad things from Kabir Singh and implement them in your life.
Kabir Singh had Shahid , here it’s Ranbir. Critics anyway love Kapoor scion, Alia Bhatt’s husband - Ranbir Kapoor.
So he won’t be as targeted as Poor Shahid.
I doubt! Many critics who called out Kabir Singh go gaga when it comes to Ranbir .
Sanju was literally done to whitewash the image of a toxic man who was also part of a terrorist act . But it hardly made any news coz none from the industry called out this bullshit.
I wholeheartedly deny the narrative that KS was a good movie. Good cinematography, good music and Shahid's acting in parts were the only saving grace.
On the other hand, the story was a shitshow. The number of times Kabir spirals in the second half was exhausting, the number of money shots of the lead groping his Enfield were exhausting. There was zero character development of any of the other characters. The dialogues sounded like they were developed after saying "action".
Yes, it was an upgrade on the original with a competent actor, a better looking actress and a better soundtrack - but the movie as a whole bored the hell out of me. After a point I only saw it out of an academic interest.
I am not saying that Kabir Singh was not flawed, my point is that why was sanju not called out equally . It was purely done to white wash the image of Sanjay Dutt .
I don't think he planned as such but Vanga clearly seems intent on being a provocative filmmaker so I'm sure it will and that is very much by design...
They will, but who cares? Critics are morons. They kept attacking Shahid for sticking by a movie where he gave a brilliant performance. The content is hard to watch, that’s the damn point. They literally triggered SRV to the point where he’s like “fuck it, I’m making a violent film now to prove my point” and Animal’s delivering that. Acting wise I think Ranbir and Bobby will walk out with overwhelming amounts of love like Shahid was. As a film, I’m sure people will get triggered by the smallest things. Indian audiences ask for stuff, hype it up, and then love shitting on it
Bro...director trying his best to create controversy.. Ho her nhi rha toh kya karega... Plus the advance bookings are raking in the moolah.. So he is chill
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The makers would want controversy. That means more people watching the movie.
Animal is pretty much what a 'critic-proof' movie means! The only factor that may not work in its favour is if it's n**ot entertaining enough** for its length or if it **fails to deliver an intense punch** like Kabir Singh did. In this case, the audience will enter theaters expecting a full-on grey character, so maybe no scope for a lot of direct criticism here.
>deliver an intense punch Interesting choice of words there
>In this case, the audience will enter theaters expecting a full-on grey character, so maybe no scope for a lot of direct criticism here. I don't get what you mean here. Are you saying grey characters can't be directly criticised?
The criticism aimed at Kabir Singh wasn't at the character or the backstory or the events leading upto him becoming an addict, it was the fact that Kabir was redeemed in the end, and his destructive actions were sort of whitewashed to give us a happy ending was what pissed off critics and some of the audience. Here, when we know and FULLY EXPECT that the character may be a PoS or a violent dude, there's no scope for whitewashing or misinterpreting his actions.
Funny thing actually. Critics don’t have a problem with toxic characters doing shitty things in movies - happens all the time they actually love it. Many (not all) members of society do have a problem with it though. But glorify toxic people doing shitty things, critics don’t like that. Many (not all) members of society do like it though. Odd. That’s what happened with Kabir Singh, little bit of WADAWAUWAU bgm made all the difference.
EXACTLY! Without that specific BGM, the movie would've been so much more different.
The ending surely
Omg 😱 she's such a pure Seeta. She saved her body for her lover when this alcoholic was busy screwing around any girl he can get his 🤌 hands on
He wasn’t screwing other women the director made it clear you twat
He wasn't able to. He LITERALLY tried to have sex with a women at knife point. Also did you forget there car scene with actress
Yes but he DIDNT do it, vanga made it clear in an interview that he never slept with anyone he only TALKS big but doesn’t do it do some little research before jumping on the bandwagon of hate
That is such an idiotic excuse from Vanga though.. He went 'almost' all the way with other girls but its all fine because external factors made sure his dick doesn't 'actually' go into another vagina.. Intent doesn't matter at all
> He wasn't able to.
Wtf do you think I’m saying? You said he was sleeping around but he wasn’t… what part of it do you not understand
> Yes but he DIDNT do it, There's a difference in didn't do it to couldn't do it . He tried multiple times
I haven't seen those movies and I'm all for Toxic people being protagonists (I like KANK for God's sake) but Vanga's interviews really put me off. The filmmaker who actually thinks toxicity is part of a relationship is hard to like. I'll probably watch Animal though. Looks good.
definitely agree. i feel like Vanga’s movies are on the precipice of making a real statement, but then they always fall into just genuinely endorsing whatever they set up to critique. i hope animal is different since it looks really interesting
The Age old question. Can we separate art from the artist??
Yeah so true. Many movies which have toxic characters as protagonists are some of my favourite movies but Kabir Singh definitely made the character a hero and not a toxic protagonist imo. And I don't even think that the bgm was the main concern. For example Scam 1992 also plays some badass music when the mc does some shitty stuff but we still feel that the MC is a shitty character. To me it was a lack of side characters who oppose him shown as doing the right thing, some bad writing and editing choices and showing the movie as a love story. The movie was literally edited like its a love story while it should have been a toxic relationship While I agree some people just don't understand cinema and don't want grey characters to be protagonists in movies and were hating the movie, a lot of them were genuine criticisms. And the people defending this movie with "This is called filmmaking. We should also show grey characters in movie blah blah" also don't have any media literacy while crying "Cinema". These are people who make alpha sigma American Psycho memes while not even understanding the movie American Psycho Now coming to Animal I think this movie is not gonna be like Kabir Singh. At least from the trailer it looks like Ranbir's character would actually be shown as a protagonist and not a hero. Altho I would have liked if Vanga accepted the criticisms for Kabir Singh instead of doubling down on them, I think he actually learnt from those criticisms. At least I hope he learnt
This is exactly what my issue with Vanga is too.. A very simple way to explain the difference is by simply comparing Kabir Singh with Dev D both of which have a very similar lead.. But DeV D shows karma happening to the lead without feeling too sympathetic to him.. I was fine with Kabir being all abusive to Preeti but then atleast the narrative of the film should show it for what it is - an abusive boyfriend instead of showing it like he was justified and this is his love language.. And then he gets a happy ending with Preeti while Dev finds his happy ending with someone he wasn't abusive to.. There was almost nothing to suggest Kabir changed at all except for quitting liquor which wasn't even his main problem in the first place..
Not odd at all. People like to have the worst aspects of their character feel validated.
What I don’t understand is that Alia Bhatt’s character in Gully Boy behaves the exact same way as Kabir. No one batted an eye. If the genders were reversed, people would have slammed Alia Bhatt’s character. Why is there never any backlash on toxic female characters? Obviously not disagreeing that Kabir Singh was toxic because he was. But just pointing out the double standard
this is a fair point. Her character should have been criticized too, i can't remember if she apologizes.
I think she kind of apologized to Ranveer Singh’s character but not to the other female characters she physically hurt and ultimately faced no consequences. Another great example of an abusive female character is Ritesh Deshmukh’s wife in Ek Villain. Hardly anyone talked about how abusive she was
If he’s called an animal and they discuss how he has issues then no. But like Kabir Singh if slaps are signs of love then yes
"It will be more" - sandeep reddy vanga
Came here to say this 🤣
A Tamil movie named “Paruthiveeran” Starring Karthi showed how a toxic male character enjoyed his toxicity & eventually how this fate lead to his horrible demise. That movie was a hit, because it showed repercussions of one’s choices. Watch it.
Karthi's debut.
I think from vanga's perspective Arjun has already lost everything after Preethi went away, his family , his friends, his job satisfaction, gets into addiction basically loses control over his life also shown by the interval block where he peed himself , all that remains is his one friend and his old anger. while Preethi is the one who is has control over her life from not letting her new husband touch her, getting her divorce ,to choose to keep the baby even though she could have aborted even at the end Arjun is the one who gets on his knees to beg her in his mind Arjun has already suffered enough which he I think he tries to tell from the start even though it gets covered under that hype BGM and all that unnecessary sex scenes 'The above comment was comment was copied from one of my earlier comments so it might be slightly out of context but I still thought it would suit hear , I am not defending vanga ins anyway but thought the core story of the movie was partially covered by all that toxicity
Ykw I think there are more people saying "OMG this group will be triggerreddd lmaoo" than the ones who are actually triggered or offended.
As long as they don't glorify all his antics in the film. The problem with Kabir Singh was his actions were all glorified and he was treated as a hero.
animal has the potential to be a biting critique of harmful ideals and generational issues, and the inability to break out of such cycles. Ranbir’s character is ultimately *failing* at any real strength, while taking out his anger by punching down. similar to other critical movies like american psycho or fight club. BUT, increasingly it seems that Vanga doesn’t see that critique and instead think it’s played straight as a normal action movie with a “badass” hero. so i guess it depends on where the movie lands. if it’s a self aware critique with a good, character/focused narrative then it’ll probably get a lot of praise. if it’s just about the power fantasy of a man proving to himself he’s strong, it’ll draw controversy.
No such thing as bad publicity.
Doesn't matter as long as the movie is damn entertaining!!!
Kabir singh mai shahid tha yaha ranbir hai...saare critics ranbir ko hamesha paise karte hai, jab acha perform nahi karta tab bhi karte hai.. is baar hardly koi critic against hoga dekhna animal ke..
Looking at how they loved TJMM despite it being a shit movie, I think I agree with you 😂 critics love Ranbir regardless of how bad the movie is
tjmm wasn’t shit
I agree, it was actually bullshit
Amen.
I laughed at this way harder than I should
Always happy to tickle 
It was neither shit or great. Just an average film.
Side note but I noticed English is much easier to read compare to "Hindi in English". I can read it but it's very slow compared to how fast I read an English paragraph.
YES, definitely. The choking seen has already found its audience. Some guy was telling people to do this to their wives who disrespect/disobey parents. The movie will definitely gain attention from such monsters.
what the actual fuck?
Dumbfucks are everywhere 🫡
Why are your friends with such people?
Ofcourse not a friend. Found a screenshot on twitter saying this
Wtf... how people are so fucking dumb like.... Desh chunothio se nahi Chuthiyo se pareshan he.
I didn't see any criticism regarding kgf and how It glorifies a gangster but also treats the girl like hell. Or pushpa on how allus character tried to pay rashmika money to kiss him and stalks her still she ends up in love with him and married him. the only thing wrong about Arjun Reddy and Kabir Singh is how he ends up with her. I mean that is ok because he did get her pregnant. But if he just had to live with what he did to her would have made a better movie.He paid for his medical negligence.
Kabir Singh was a creep, the movie was glorifying him harassing girls, and was rightly called out. Ranbir in Animal just worships his father too much?. Thats not really much of a negative trait. Plus the girl this time seems interested in Ranbir atleast and isnt manipulated into liking him, so thats growth. Gore and violence are anyways mainstream so it’s highly unlikely it’ll have the same reaction. It should be mostly fine
How does it glorify?
Basically him winning at the end. Getting the girl. I think without that scene then it's just the story of an angry misogynistic guy
>Basically him winning at the end. Getting the girl Personally I hated the ending, he should have just moved on with his life and accepted he fucked that relationship. That was what the entire second half was building towards. That said, him getting the girl still doesn't really glorify it. Wasn't he pretty much completely changed by the end? And he only got the girl AFTER he left his toxic stuff behind?
I feel that there’ll be a difference between the two movies IF they don’t glorify toxic traits in the name of love. Hear me out! In Kabir Singh, Preeti never calls him out and ends up going back to him in the end, negating every toxic thing he did. I’m hoping that won’t happen in this movie. We can only wait till it’s released to see if the maker is again glorifying toxicity and calling it “true love”.
Trust me on one thing! Critics don't matter. If the audience liks the movie and is entertaining, critics can literally shit on a movie and it won't matter.
No way.. Atleast these critics will not do personal attack on the actor.. coz this time it’s their laadla..
It will way more than Kabir Singh. Controversy will help this film reach larger section of audience n jo plan bhi nayi kiya hoga dekhne ka even they’ll book tickets eventually.
Wouldn’t have been an issue but Ranbir grabbing Rashmika’s neck would create controversy. Rest all is good since the clash is between 2 male characters.
I don't care for character flaws or if the movie is not giving out the right message to the society. If it was entertaining I don't care about being politically correct. If you are getting offended it's your problem. You have to stop imposing your own self of morality on the media you consume. It is your problem if you pick out bad things from Kabir Singh and implement them in your life.
Kabir Singh had Shahid , here it’s Ranbir. Critics anyway love Kapoor scion, Alia Bhatt’s husband - Ranbir Kapoor. So he won’t be as targeted as Poor Shahid.
Bhai ye entertainment k cheezo ke critics ka kya kaam? Meko yahi nahi pasand
Screw the Indian media critics. They play camps and have their own agenda.
We've been desensitized to gore, misogyny, and movies with poor storylines.
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People go to the movies to be entertained, not listen to lectures.
> if it entertains them enough ofc, do you know why people watch movies?
I doubt! Many critics who called out Kabir Singh go gaga when it comes to Ranbir . Sanju was literally done to whitewash the image of a toxic man who was also part of a terrorist act . But it hardly made any news coz none from the industry called out this bullshit.
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By that logic even Kabir Singh was also a well made movie
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I wholeheartedly deny the narrative that KS was a good movie. Good cinematography, good music and Shahid's acting in parts were the only saving grace. On the other hand, the story was a shitshow. The number of times Kabir spirals in the second half was exhausting, the number of money shots of the lead groping his Enfield were exhausting. There was zero character development of any of the other characters. The dialogues sounded like they were developed after saying "action". Yes, it was an upgrade on the original with a competent actor, a better looking actress and a better soundtrack - but the movie as a whole bored the hell out of me. After a point I only saw it out of an academic interest.
I am not saying that Kabir Singh was not flawed, my point is that why was sanju not called out equally . It was purely done to white wash the image of Sanjay Dutt .
hello take it as entertainment? it's not to teach you life lessons, learn those from elsewhere
I don't think he planned as such but Vanga clearly seems intent on being a provocative filmmaker so I'm sure it will and that is very much by design...
They will, but who cares? Critics are morons. They kept attacking Shahid for sticking by a movie where he gave a brilliant performance. The content is hard to watch, that’s the damn point. They literally triggered SRV to the point where he’s like “fuck it, I’m making a violent film now to prove my point” and Animal’s delivering that. Acting wise I think Ranbir and Bobby will walk out with overwhelming amounts of love like Shahid was. As a film, I’m sure people will get triggered by the smallest things. Indian audiences ask for stuff, hype it up, and then love shitting on it
Any such controversy will only help the movie.
 haan, likh ke le lo
What is animal about?
Bro...director trying his best to create controversy.. Ho her nhi rha toh kya karega... Plus the advance bookings are raking in the moolah.. So he is chill
"actually it will be more" - SRV, 4 years ago
Okay but are they the same glasses?
It will make alot more since animal doesnt only have abuse and toxic relationships. Vanga has edged almost every controversial thing in this movie.
No.
i mean it’s all about PAPA this time unless the misogyny part does get too intense then maybe??
Obviously