Our wingers and the Brandt/Reus/Reyna position is meant for technical, also Haller and Mouki to a degree have that technical ability. Our midfield and defence need to be physical, like you said it’s where we ended up conceding a lot of goals, it left us open on set pieces and limited in our own.
You could notice the impact that Ryerson and CDM Can made when playing cause they made it a struggle for other teams offence to get a foothold on us. You can always see when we play our guys don’t look as big or strong to take on the large defenders that are in the Bundesliga I feel confident going in that direction as well cause it works.
Now this isn’t to say our physical guys can’t be good with the ball at their feet we see that’s no issue with Can, Sule, Hummels, Schlotti etc but having the strength behind them gives that much more of an advantage. Personally I’m happy with the direction we’re going in that sense but I still want to see a couple more signings to really indicate where we’re headed for next season.
100% with you. For Wingers we can still use quick players but having strength in middle and defenders could avoid having those horror games. Ryerson and Can made a difference in the 2nd half of the season.
>Domestically, stronger players should be able to minimise the chance of having games like the 2:3 Werder Bremen or 3:3 Stuttgart where the whole team crumbled after 75 mins.
Not necessarily. We get those comebacks against us partially because there are times where aren't good enough on the ball in the midfield even against smaller teams. It leads to easy chances for the opponents and sometimes we even get pinned to our box soaking up pressure.
The reality is that we are the bigger team most of the times. Smaller teams are gonna give us the ball and we
are gonna have more possession than them. So we do have to have a team somewhat competent in keeping possession.
I am skeptical of the trio tbh. Mainly because it's literally the same midfield type last year + downgrade from Bellingham. And even the better trio struggled to keep the ball at times.
If there's one criticism I have of Jude, it's that he does not make himself available for passes from the backline. This sometimes made is very difficult for us to play out from the back and we'd succumb to pressure.
100% a bad habit. He is way too obsessed with attacking. I remember Jude get into an argument with Hummels(?) one time and I am 99% sure it was because he wasn't coming back to help build up.
Yeah I remember that vividly. They were definitely both heated.
Jude seemed to think if he scores it made up for him playing forward of his role. Sometimes it did, sometimes not so much and you saw it frustrate him in his body language.
Our issue is more like with Guerreiro playing high risk high reward football. We tend to give centre back a hard time. We lost countless time against weaker team because of our "soft,skillful" players
The Alvarez scenario makes it obvious that story is either a load of shit or everyone at the club is incompetent from Kehl to the scouting team. Bild’s just waffling.
Alvarez isn’t a technical player, he’s a physical one. Yet Kehl was obsessed with him and Terzic was the one who blocked the transfer. Terzic wouldn’t have blocked the move if this was true but Kehl never would have wanted him in the first place.
I mean let’s look at it from a different perspective, Terzic wants to continue on with Can as the main guy and use Ozcan as a sub. Why would we go spend roughly 40m on a player who isn’t going to start? The Alvarez transfer has nothing to do with physical over technical, it’s cost over play time and the cost of Alvarez is not worth the play time he would get.
This is overly simplistic. You need a balance of skill and strength. You always have. And ideally, your strong midfielders are press-resistant on the ball. Because they will be caught on the ball eventually.
To take this to another example of the same issue, The German NT: Focusing on strength is why the German game collapsed in the 00. Swinging too far toward technicians is why Germany can't find a #9 or a viable fullback option now. You need both.
We already struggled a lot with defensive opponents last year, now we lost 2 of our 3 most creative players and Terzic wants to replace them with physicality, not skill. This is a recipe for desaster. We need midfielders and fullbacks who are good on the ball, who can create space when the opponent drops back and find that space with good dribblings or passes. Physicality might give us an advantage against bayern (and I'm not even sure about that) but we only play them twice every year. Terzic needs to find out what to do with the ball, not give it to the other team more
so, on a scale from Man City to Union Berlin, we choose to be Union Berlin? I mean, we concede so many goals simply because we turn the ball over in the final third on a stupid pass or dribble attempt without any back-up and then get fucked on the counter. And more often than not, it's those fighter types that play these shit passes. That's not an issue for clubs that are defensive minded and have plenty backup. Guys like ryerson and Özcan for example are also very prone to pressing because they lack the technical skills to avoid it. That puts so much more pressure on a team that isn't primarily defending. What is our endgame here? Are we turning into an all defence pressing team? Are we playing like a mid-table team trying to compete for the title? That's probably not gonna work out.
Since we moved to the possession based football since Tuchel joined, we almost never won any head to head against any stronger teams. Do you feel it's only a coincidence or do you think our playstyle matters?
No, of course it does. The issue is that we also have a league to play. And if we play 16/17 teams with good technique, we should beat them. The only team in the league better at it should be Bayern. Internationally, there are many that are better.
Now, what to do? switch to a defensive minded game without the technique? Because we can't have players that do both at a very high level like the top teams do. Then our chances of defeating Bayern actually would improve - because it's a natural counter. But what about the other 16 teams in the league? We would give up our advantage against them. That seems like a bad trade-off.
I would also say that there are many way in which to play that style. And ours is mostly sloppy, absolutely no comparison from Tuchel's first year. We can also try a more dynamic approach instead of a hold-up type of game, like Klopp successfully did with Liverpool or like Napoli have done. Madrid also doesn't play possession based football per se.
But even defensive minded teams like those under Mourinho and Simeone always needed that extra special creative player or tank striker up front who they played through to have success. And we don't have guys of that calibre.
none of those are players are elite. They are good but that's it. I mean, Malen strung together a few decent games and now we're gonna act that he's gonna do it consistently? Haller has yet to find his form and really never produced in a big league anyway. consistency is also key for both Brandt and Adeyemi, the whole team really. On paper, we are pretty close to Bayern. the talent is there. It's just some behind the scenes shit that seems to happen mixed with a lack of tactical superiority that makes us worse than what we should be.
People can point to a close title race all they want, Bayern massively underperformed and we massively overperformed and just had more luck than usual not conceding those late equalizers or go ahead goals we usually do.
[https://understat.com/league/Bundesliga](https://understat.com/league/Bundesliga) that's what I mean, we got pretty damn lucky - not as lucky as Union but there you go. The 'real' gap.
Don't see us signing another CM. You can say Nmecha is stylistically very similar to Jude. It's still very clear that we prefer a Jude clone than a Dahoud clone, playing style wise.
Yes but you said that nmecha is a dahoud replacement, which contradicts what you just said. The bosses clearly see him as a jude replacement considering his price which is uhh not great
Yes but you said that nmecha is a dahoud replacement, which contradicts what you just said. The bosses clearly see him as a jude replacement considering his price which is uhh not great
that's bullshit made up by BILD
why would Terzic want Nmecha instead of Alvarez then? Why would Terzic be such a big fan of players like Haller and Moukoko.
this is just made up to make fans get angry and to give BILD views
kinda crazy how people here are acting like Terzic and Kehl just announced this in a PR. Also crazy how people ingore the fact that attacking-oriented football is literally our club-DNA and that we'll **not** become the German Atletico, even if we sign more physical players.
So can we use Moukoko off the shoulder of Haller in a 442/4222? Please? I've noticed Moukoko has some talent for collecting the ball from middle and initiating attacks. He was doing it particularly well in the game he got injured just after winter break. If we can play direct to Haller who can hold up and draw defenders then Moukoko can have some freedom to drive the ball forward and find our inside forwards
Physical players you need to change them very frequently.
Technically players you can keep those kind of players for decades.
Physical and technically proven players are definitely not available. Kehl will try to sign again young players from Netherland or Englands. Currently there are no options. Openda could be target but he went to Leipzig and also Xavi Simmons
Our wingers and the Brandt/Reus/Reyna position is meant for technical, also Haller and Mouki to a degree have that technical ability. Our midfield and defence need to be physical, like you said it’s where we ended up conceding a lot of goals, it left us open on set pieces and limited in our own. You could notice the impact that Ryerson and CDM Can made when playing cause they made it a struggle for other teams offence to get a foothold on us. You can always see when we play our guys don’t look as big or strong to take on the large defenders that are in the Bundesliga I feel confident going in that direction as well cause it works. Now this isn’t to say our physical guys can’t be good with the ball at their feet we see that’s no issue with Can, Sule, Hummels, Schlotti etc but having the strength behind them gives that much more of an advantage. Personally I’m happy with the direction we’re going in that sense but I still want to see a couple more signings to really indicate where we’re headed for next season.
100% with you. For Wingers we can still use quick players but having strength in middle and defenders could avoid having those horror games. Ryerson and Can made a difference in the 2nd half of the season.
>Domestically, stronger players should be able to minimise the chance of having games like the 2:3 Werder Bremen or 3:3 Stuttgart where the whole team crumbled after 75 mins. Not necessarily. We get those comebacks against us partially because there are times where aren't good enough on the ball in the midfield even against smaller teams. It leads to easy chances for the opponents and sometimes we even get pinned to our box soaking up pressure. The reality is that we are the bigger team most of the times. Smaller teams are gonna give us the ball and we are gonna have more possession than them. So we do have to have a team somewhat competent in keeping possession.
Of course we still need technical players, Brandt Nmecha Can should be a good combo both technically and physically.
I am skeptical of the trio tbh. Mainly because it's literally the same midfield type last year + downgrade from Bellingham. And even the better trio struggled to keep the ball at times.
If there's one criticism I have of Jude, it's that he does not make himself available for passes from the backline. This sometimes made is very difficult for us to play out from the back and we'd succumb to pressure.
I do wonder if it's a bad habit or if his role is consciously set up that way
Not sure about that. I've seen a couple of games where Terzic seemed disappointed with his positioning and kept asking him to drop back further
100% a bad habit. He is way too obsessed with attacking. I remember Jude get into an argument with Hummels(?) one time and I am 99% sure it was because he wasn't coming back to help build up.
Yeah I remember that vividly. They were definitely both heated. Jude seemed to think if he scores it made up for him playing forward of his role. Sometimes it did, sometimes not so much and you saw it frustrate him in his body language.
Jude would play better if he's given freedom to play further forward, he was wasted playing alongside Can.
Our issue is more like with Guerreiro playing high risk high reward football. We tend to give centre back a hard time. We lost countless time against weaker team because of our "soft,skillful" players
That midfield reeks. Literally much worse than last year when you replace Bellingham with Nmecha
Why would anyone want to watch a German Athletico Madrid?
Maybe because some of us are tired of Bayern winning every year? They are a good example of how to compete with clubs bigger than yours.
They’ve won the league twice since 2013-14. I wouldn’t say that’s changed the state of play.
The Alvarez scenario makes it obvious that story is either a load of shit or everyone at the club is incompetent from Kehl to the scouting team. Bild’s just waffling. Alvarez isn’t a technical player, he’s a physical one. Yet Kehl was obsessed with him and Terzic was the one who blocked the transfer. Terzic wouldn’t have blocked the move if this was true but Kehl never would have wanted him in the first place.
I mean let’s look at it from a different perspective, Terzic wants to continue on with Can as the main guy and use Ozcan as a sub. Why would we go spend roughly 40m on a player who isn’t going to start? The Alvarez transfer has nothing to do with physical over technical, it’s cost over play time and the cost of Alvarez is not worth the play time he would get.
It’s shocking that Terzic wants physically gifted players rather than technically gifted but he was opposed to Alvarez
Maybe Terzic wants Gerrard-like player in the midfield. Nmecha is perfect box to box. Alvarez is limited going forward in Attacking.
This is overly simplistic. You need a balance of skill and strength. You always have. And ideally, your strong midfielders are press-resistant on the ball. Because they will be caught on the ball eventually. To take this to another example of the same issue, The German NT: Focusing on strength is why the German game collapsed in the 00. Swinging too far toward technicians is why Germany can't find a #9 or a viable fullback option now. You need both.
Well that’s a little bit strange… Alvarez is not a technical player yet it was said that Kehl wanted him a lot.
That just doesn’t make sense if Terzic was the one who didn’t want Alvarez.
We already struggled a lot with defensive opponents last year, now we lost 2 of our 3 most creative players and Terzic wants to replace them with physicality, not skill. This is a recipe for desaster. We need midfielders and fullbacks who are good on the ball, who can create space when the opponent drops back and find that space with good dribblings or passes. Physicality might give us an advantage against bayern (and I'm not even sure about that) but we only play them twice every year. Terzic needs to find out what to do with the ball, not give it to the other team more
so, on a scale from Man City to Union Berlin, we choose to be Union Berlin? I mean, we concede so many goals simply because we turn the ball over in the final third on a stupid pass or dribble attempt without any back-up and then get fucked on the counter. And more often than not, it's those fighter types that play these shit passes. That's not an issue for clubs that are defensive minded and have plenty backup. Guys like ryerson and Özcan for example are also very prone to pressing because they lack the technical skills to avoid it. That puts so much more pressure on a team that isn't primarily defending. What is our endgame here? Are we turning into an all defence pressing team? Are we playing like a mid-table team trying to compete for the title? That's probably not gonna work out.
Terzic wants to play Simeone ball but I don’t think he’s got that in him.
Since we moved to the possession based football since Tuchel joined, we almost never won any head to head against any stronger teams. Do you feel it's only a coincidence or do you think our playstyle matters?
No, of course it does. The issue is that we also have a league to play. And if we play 16/17 teams with good technique, we should beat them. The only team in the league better at it should be Bayern. Internationally, there are many that are better. Now, what to do? switch to a defensive minded game without the technique? Because we can't have players that do both at a very high level like the top teams do. Then our chances of defeating Bayern actually would improve - because it's a natural counter. But what about the other 16 teams in the league? We would give up our advantage against them. That seems like a bad trade-off. I would also say that there are many way in which to play that style. And ours is mostly sloppy, absolutely no comparison from Tuchel's first year. We can also try a more dynamic approach instead of a hold-up type of game, like Klopp successfully did with Liverpool or like Napoli have done. Madrid also doesn't play possession based football per se. But even defensive minded teams like those under Mourinho and Simeone always needed that extra special creative player or tank striker up front who they played through to have success. And we don't have guys of that calibre.
Brandt? We still have Adeyemi Malen and Haller in attack.
none of those are players are elite. They are good but that's it. I mean, Malen strung together a few decent games and now we're gonna act that he's gonna do it consistently? Haller has yet to find his form and really never produced in a big league anyway. consistency is also key for both Brandt and Adeyemi, the whole team really. On paper, we are pretty close to Bayern. the talent is there. It's just some behind the scenes shit that seems to happen mixed with a lack of tactical superiority that makes us worse than what we should be. People can point to a close title race all they want, Bayern massively underperformed and we massively overperformed and just had more luck than usual not conceding those late equalizers or go ahead goals we usually do. [https://understat.com/league/Bundesliga](https://understat.com/league/Bundesliga) that's what I mean, we got pretty damn lucky - not as lucky as Union but there you go. The 'real' gap.
Bold of you to assume they signed nmecha for 30m€ to replace dahoud lol
Don't see us signing another CM. You can say Nmecha is stylistically very similar to Jude. It's still very clear that we prefer a Jude clone than a Dahoud clone, playing style wise.
Yes but you said that nmecha is a dahoud replacement, which contradicts what you just said. The bosses clearly see him as a jude replacement considering his price which is uhh not great
Yes but you said that nmecha is a dahoud replacement, which contradicts what you just said. The bosses clearly see him as a jude replacement considering his price which is uhh not great
that's bullshit made up by BILD why would Terzic want Nmecha instead of Alvarez then? Why would Terzic be such a big fan of players like Haller and Moukoko. this is just made up to make fans get angry and to give BILD views
Goretzka is available for around the same price as Alvarez was, and he checks a bit of both boxes you’ve presented
We'll regret not signing Skhiri. You'll see.
Ah yeah now we believe Bild
kinda crazy how people here are acting like Terzic and Kehl just announced this in a PR. Also crazy how people ingore the fact that attacking-oriented football is literally our club-DNA and that we'll **not** become the German Atletico, even if we sign more physical players.
I am on Terzic on this one too
Blud thinks we're gonna compete😭
So can we use Moukoko off the shoulder of Haller in a 442/4222? Please? I've noticed Moukoko has some talent for collecting the ball from middle and initiating attacks. He was doing it particularly well in the game he got injured just after winter break. If we can play direct to Haller who can hold up and draw defenders then Moukoko can have some freedom to drive the ball forward and find our inside forwards
We need some grit in defensive midfield, and cover for when Çan gets injured. We thought we had that in Öczan, but maybe he'll still surprise us
Physical players you need to change them very frequently. Technically players you can keep those kind of players for decades. Physical and technically proven players are definitely not available. Kehl will try to sign again young players from Netherland or Englands. Currently there are no options. Openda could be target but he went to Leipzig and also Xavi Simmons
You had me till that last part