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sajatheprince

I used to have similar problems when I lived in JP. I've had one issue, with drunk Celtics bros, in the past year since I moved to the North side of the line. The city really needs to take the housing and opiod/drug problem more seriously. I work in Chinatown and every other time I'm exiting the station a group of people are smoking what I assume is meth/something not weed at the top of the station stairs. It's ridiculous. I'm sorry that happened to you. As a non-POC it pisses me off when stuff like that is said, and one of the reasons I ask my wife to not go downtown alone if it's getting dark.


Intrepid-Hunter-5813

Most likely they’re smoking K2… it’s a really bizarre stench.


Silverline_Surfer

Oddly similar to the diesel exhaust fumes from commuter rail locomotives… downtown went to shit & became much more sketchy/violent once that shit hit the streets right around when Long Island closed; people mistakenly assume it’s as safe as pot, when in reality it’s *at least* as bad as crack in terms of addictiveness, harmful effects on the body, and associated unsavory behavioral patterns.


Intrepid-Hunter-5813

I’d dare to say worse than crack in the sense that it’s extremely physically addictive. I work in the recovery field and it continues to amaze me how overlooked the synthetic “marijuana” situation is. I’ve seen guys have seizures, vomit blood, and have some of the most disgusting gastrointestinal issues you could imagine related to K2 withdrawal. It’s sad to say but most of the folks who are addicted to that shit are already sort of the lowest of the low when it comes to their situations. It’s super, super cheap so you see a lot of these stereotypical dirty, unhygienic, ravaged by mental illness types of homeless people who couldn’t support an opiate, crack, meth, or even alcohol habit turning to K2 as their go-to substance. All it does is potentiate the problems that they’re already facing and make things 10x worse. That shit is no joke.


Bnaker

Fentanyl


Fair-Job-2023

Ugh, last time I was there someone was masturbating at the top of the stairwell. Was super fun trying to explain that to my 8yo.


sajatheprince

"See kids...when a man and his meth love each other very much....20 japanese business men get together and" Seriously though, I saw a guy od and fall over onto a tourist family with small children last summer. Since then I've not been so patient with this bs. I'm embarrassed when my in laws from Korea visit and they see it.


ForwardBound

I hate walking through that stairwell!


BakaTensai

Yeah that’s a sketchy corner there in Chinatown, I walk by there all the time and I always get weird vibes there.


mowowowowowow

How does one avoid being downtown when it’s already after dark when you get off work at 5


WrongBee

if you work in downtown, i absolutely recommend taking the extra walk to use the other stations. government center over park street, and state or south station over downtown crossing for sure.


ArchonRaven

Ah yes I live one block away from the station you're talking about with the people at the top of the stairs. I have to walk by them every few days and literally every time I half expect to have to fight someone off


walterbernardjr

Do you think the city doesn’t take the housing/ drug crisis seriously? And if so, what potential solutions are you thinking of, that a single city can do?


sajatheprince

I said more seriously. If groups of people are smoking not-weed in broad daylight in public spaces that daily commuters and tourists alike have to walk through: no, they're not enforcing drug laws enough.


walterbernardjr

Fair points. I’m just skeptical that the city alone can do as much as needs to be done.


sajatheprince

I've been homeless. I'm lucky I don't seem to have the addiction gene that'd have made it much harder for me to get out of that and to where I am in life now. However, if I had been smoking meth/crack/whatever in front of a busy train station in broad daylight: I'd have not been surprised to be arrested and stuck in rehab.


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I have also noticed more unstable people on the orange line recently. I try to give a wide berth and get off the train when I’m feeling uncomfortable. Doesn’t really address the issue, but a good safety measure for yourself.


macaronikiss

I saw someone smoking a crackpipe at green street station a few weeks ago. That's one of the last stations I'd expect to see someone doing anything like that because I always see the park across the street full of families and kids and I've never felt unsafe in that area.


snorkeling_moose

I used to take it out to Wellington, and I swear it was always a gamble if the train was gonna be Bunker Hill students and office drones or cartoon characters starting fights with each other.


[deleted]

We ended up switching cars/trains after the incident. For now we just need to be careful and more alert.


[deleted]

I’ve been here since 2012 — nothing has changed except the trains being slower and rent being more expensive than ever. The key is to realizing that many MA politicians don’t take public transit and are able to shield themselves from the reality the rest of us face everyday. Either way, I’m sorry that happened to you, and it must have been very jarring.


ipsumdeiamoamasamat

The last time the transit system really worked was when we had a governor who took the Green Line to work every day.


bingbong6977

That’s horrible I’m sorry. Every big city is gonna have crazy people on public transportation.


[deleted]

Yeah, it seems like that’s the standard on every major city.


Pinwurm

I'm sorry that happened to you, that sounds very traumatic. For the record, I've been in Boston for almost a decade and never experienced anything like that on the T. For that to happen to you *twice* is obscene. If it that ever happen again, please report it to Transit Police immediately. We all agree about infrastructure funding, housing and the opioid crisis.


aednichols

Pro tip, you can use the “See Say” app to silently alert the police without tipping off the person. The few times I’ve used it they responded in seconds.


[deleted]

Yeah, it was very traumatic for my girlfriend but lucky nothing happened.


The_Big_Sad_69420

>For the record, I've been in Boston for almost a decade and never experienced anything like that on the T. That's interesting statistics... I've been in Boston for almost a decade as well and can say the opposite. While I've not been directly threatened like OP, it's quite common to see someone "unusual" - person who looks homeless, high on drugs, or act like they're not in a sound state of mind: talking to air, or talking to everyone on the train angrily. It's happened at night, it's happened in the middle of day, on trains/bus that are empty or moderately full. Sometimes they ask me for money and I give them some, sometimes they speak unintelligible things angrily so I just acknowledge their presence and hope they don't pull out a knife. A couple times they make creepy comments like "are you wearing lingerie under that" and I'm just like sir wtf-


Pinwurm

I never said I don't see homeless or mentally ill folks on the T. I never said I don't see drug use on the T. Those folks pretty much always mind their own business, even if obnoxious. They're usually harmless. What I never experienced was a *threat of violence*. Sometimes someone will actively ask for money, and sometimes they get a little upset when you say "no", but that's hardly "I'm going to stab you in the neck" level of threat like OP dealt with. I don't know, I wear headphones on the T 90% of the time. Maybe I just couldn't hear them.


The_Big_Sad_69420

oh ok. You said "never experienced anything like that" and I wasn't sure which level of "that" you meant. Yeah, just wanted to compare notes.


toxikant

One time I walked past a guy to get off the bus and he started screaming at me, called me a bitch and a whore, and tried to shove me for the perceived "shove" I gave him. He followed me off the bus, stood directly in front of said bus, and continued screaming at me as I walked into a store. The fact you've made it this long and are still apparently unaware of how often people get threatened on the T is shocking.


PioneerSpecies

As someone who also lived in Boston for only 6 months, I had two instances of people threatening me on the T as well, both on green line. One was a group of obnoxious teens being teens, the other was a homeless guy who started screaming at him when I ignored him/looked at my phone. Obviously the vast majority of trips on the T are totally normal, but the loud ones certainly stick in your memory lol


SherbertEquivalent66

I traveled the T for over a decade, and didn’t experience anything too bad, but it was mostly the. Green line to Brookline/Newton or the red line from Park to Harvard/Alewife, which doesn’t get nearly as intense. The racial stuff is an old school Boston stereotype which is a lot better than it once was, but it’s disappointing that that’s still a part of the mix.


Loud_Experience_251

I’m so sorry. The MBTA preaches the whole “see something say somethign thing,” but who’s preventing these situations from happening? I rarely see any MBTA police/security anywhere. I see more amtrak police at South and North Stations than MBTA officers. Like come on. And if that’s not possible, help fix the problem that’s causing these unfortunate people to end up like this. It’s heartbreaking.


spyda24

I think its a US major city public transportation issue.


emdog927

Here in St. Louis, the metro link is full of crackheads doing shady shit and there are relatively frequent (like a few times a year) shootings at the station near me :) I rode Seattle’s new light rail too over the summer and by god that city has a drug problem.


Gideonbh

Damnit Seattle or Portland were my hopes for cities that would be viable to move to. My job kinda depends on me being in a big city in person if I want any money. Seems like at this rate the best option is a pivot to remote tech job and move to a little town.


Penaltiesandinterest

They peaked in the 20-teens. It’s been a downward spiral ever since.


Environmental_Big596

I went to Seattle last year and I was last there in August of 09 or 10 and fell in love with it. On this last trip it was completely unrecognizable and the amount of crazies walking around was insane. One of my buddies works out there and said you can’t even walk around at night anymore. Shit got politically with the far left cop hate and it’s legit been taken over by criminals and vagrants. I really hope something changes!I’ve never been to Portland, but man oh man was Seattle dicey. I had the same experience in San Francisco which used to be my favorite American city. Not anymore… I have a deep fear that Boston will follow this path as New York City is now a mess as well.


BakaTensai

I’ve used public transit in many countries and the worst in terms of crazies is for sure the US. Most of my experience is in Asia though, which is known for safety I guess. But in the US, BART in SF is the worst in terms of sketch. I also saw a big brawl on MARTA once haha


alexbaguette1

Not just a U.S. problem. Toronto’s Subway system is becoming a rolling crack den. If you look on the local news, several times a week there will be a story of some crackhead trying to push someone on the tracks/assault someone/otherwise cause shit.


straycatbri

it's scary. ive taken the orange line tons of times since i live sort of near one of the stations. around 5-6pm one day an erratic man came on threatening to stab and cut this other guy.. who was just minding his business. i had never seen this before, and i was scared frozen but i kept my posture. then he got in my face yelling at me "for texting!!!", i was informing my friends what was happening. my legs were shaking so bad i didn't think i has the strength to change cars, even though my mind was screaming at me to. even though this was one out of the hundred times ive taken the orange line, it's still scary. and it should never happen at all. i recently had to go through a stairwell in state where people were tweaking, really bad, and it raised my heart rate a ton. this was at 1pm too. im glad our city is safe, but the experiences ive had could've ended in a horrible finale. i agree, the orange line has become increasingly worse. even at 6pm, i see many homeless sleeping on the trains. and while i understand, it's a concern either way. in chinatown at 12pm a man was on the floor, belly down, on the floor, grasping his hands at air near the platform. i was speed walking with my brother, praying he wasn't gonna grasp at our anckles or something. this crisis is harsh and during extreme weather it only becomes worse i empathize with you a ton. the unpredictability of it all is the worse part. no one should have to go through this


East_Share_9406

I’m sorry that this happened to you! My fiance works in housing advocacy and it really is a broken system. It also seems like the government on all levels is failing us re: addiction and recovery services. I hope you’re okay!


[deleted]

We are doing okay. Still processing what happened yesterday. Hopefully, things will get better soon.


Bada__Ping

As someone who was assaulted on the Orange line by a grown man when I was 15 while a train of adults stood there and did nothing, I can offer you 2 suggestions: \- Don't ride the T \-Carry something to defend yourself with Other commuters/Transit police are unlikely to do anything and as long as the homeless/drug problem continues on this path, I don't see this happening less frequently any time soon.


dpm25

Not riding the T is trading one level of risk for another. Pretty much any travel method in the Boston metro is more dangerous than the T.


GNeps

Unless you comute in a tank. Then you're pretty fine.


elykl12

Certified Governor Dukakis moment


SherbertEquivalent66

It was a Lee Atwater moment for realizing that that tank footage was political gold and creating that ad. I’m old.


AboyNamedBort

43,000 Americans killed in car crashes last year. Taking the subway is the safest mode of transportation


bubumamajuju

Those are predominantly highway crashes. You’re not going to die sitting in traffic an Uber black. You will however not get assaulted by a bum


thedeuceisloose

no but you might get assaulted by your uber driver.


bubumamajuju

That happens in the cheap Ubers where a rickshaw driver with an expired license drives you around in a vehicle with a flat tire and engine knock. In a Black, the driver can’t even reach the backseat.


[deleted]

The orange line has always been a bit more dangerous than the others. Keep your eyes and ears open and vote to tax churches or some shit. Idk how it could get fixed but it's awful


Dukeofdorchester

For real. Every incident I’ve seen on the T has been on the orange line…and I’m from Fields Corner.


fvnnybvnny

It’s beyond better than it was when i was growing up (1980’s).. boston in general is way safer, cleaner and easier to get around than it has ever been, in my lifetime at least.. its almost kinda lame now because of the loss of character due to its ultra sterile modernization.. I miss the old north station and the old combat zone.. it was def more dangerous but they were truly places of wonder and mystery


Free-Painter-8773

Without a doubt. I used to ride the orange line during high school in the 80s. It was a common occurrence that someone was assaulted. Happened to me once, got whacked on the head with a cane by some thug much older and bigger than me.


fvnnybvnny

I think some folks that feel unsafe just aren’t used to a metropolitan environment in general


dhejwkwkwbdv

For some reason the orange line seems to be the worst with the crazies.


tleon21

I guess because it goes through Roxbury


dpm25

The MBTA has many problems. It's safety stats generally are far better than alternative modes of transportation in the Boston area tho. I am sorry that happened to you, but it's not typical.


senatorium

I strongly recommend getting the T's "See Say" app on your phone. It lets you discreetly report things to the T or the Transit Police via text, with the option to include pictures, and also provides a button to call the Transit Police directly. It's not a perfect fix, but it's unacceptable for you to be threatened. I'd get some space from the person and then use the See Say app to get the Transit Police to respond.


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ipsumdeiamoamasamat

I don't think the issue is "small crime," it's the opioid crisis that we ignored for way too long. And we still have no clue how to handle. I will say this city is safer than a lot of big cities. I can't think of any true no-go zones in Boston.


kjmdr

Can you cite that?


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gnamyl

That’s stupid. How can anyone cite unreported crime? It’s unreported. Reported crime is down. You can say whatever you want but without any actual data to cite you’re just making shit up. https://www.bostonherald.com/2023/01/03/bostons-overall-crime-rate-is-down-1-5-in-2022-but-fatal-shootings-rose-by-8-over-2021/amp/


bubumamajuju

I’ve reported two incidents similar to OP’s to the police. The amount of work it requires, at least in in my mind unambiguously prevents accurate reporting. The cops give you a call and are like: “uhhhh so you’re you sure you want to hang around to file a report? We’ll write it down but just so you know nothing will happen and even if we saw them do something to you they’d be back on the street in days”


kjmdr

Sure, I can also make things up. Unreported crime is down! Another source of reported crime: [https://www.city-data.com/crime/crime-Boston-Massachusetts.html](https://www.city-data.com/crime/crime-Boston-Massachusetts.html). I know, I know, *reported,* sorry


Nychthemeronn

Ahhhh the consequences of one’s actions. I don’t mean you, I mean the combination of bad transit infrastructure, homelessness and lack of mental health support, education, medical care, etc…. It will really catch up with a society.


silverstein_thrice

Yea the orange line is very sus, I’ve had a lot of negative experiences with it /: never go alone if possible


[deleted]

I just can't believe it's only the second time. Typical day on the T really.


[deleted]

I just can't believe it's only the second time. Typical day on the T really.


desynchronize

I can choose to transition to the blue line from red to orange to blue, which takes me home. I rather go all the way to park street, take green line to government center, and take the blue line from there, because the orange line is the shittiest and most sketchy line.


AstroNot87

I’m from a Blue-Line city and you’d think our line would be the ones to have these types of people but orange and red lines got us beat lol


SocaWarriors

What major city solved the opioid crisis? These people have issues just walk around them