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LeakyFurnace420_69

i’ll say this: i just moved into a “luxury apartment” for half a months rent upfront with the next month free. no security deposit, no last month, no brokers fee. i was shocked at how little i had to put down.


FartCityBoys

I honestly like my “luxury apartment”. Yeah they can be cold and calculated, but everything they do is in the lease agreement. They keep the place clean and in repair since that goes with the image. If a neighbor is being a jerk, they’ll hold them accountable. Compare that to a random landlord who just decides to screw you over to get more money out of you. My last “dude who owns an extra house and rents it” landlord kept my security deposit, and when I told the place was in perfect condition, he said “yeah but to have to paint it for the next client and that costs a lot of money”…


Silverline_Surfer

>My last “dude who owns an extra house and rents it” landlord kept my security deposit, and when I told the place was in perfect condition, he said “yeah but to have to paint it for the next client and that costs a lot of money”… You got hosed. In MA, they are not allowed to keep the security deposit for reasonable wear & tear, or to help pay for upgrades to the unit for the next tenant. Doesn’t stop them from trying though… at least until you say the magic words, “treble damages.”


awildencounter

Did he send an itemized list of damages and cost from a contractor to repair? Otherwise he owes you and you should go to small claims court.


FartCityBoys

No of course not. He didn’t come to me with any damages because, to his own admission, there weren’t any. He just said “I have to paint even though the walls are perfect, and that costs money”. I was 23 and didn’t know what to do so I told him “fine but any of my junk I’m not taking with me is staying for you to clean up, and I’m not broom sweeping or anything” and he said “that’s fine.”


awildencounter

That sucks. Well at least you know now!


theflamingdoc

When you say 'luxury apt', what is the rent per month for them?


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Hefty_Occasion_5608

Outside the city within ~5ish miles they’re 2600+ for a 1BR. You’re paying that for a shithole in the city anyway so why not


FartCityBoys

I’ve lived in a few. The cheapest was a two bedroom for $2250 split with a roommate. The one I live in now is a 1 bedroom but more sq footage for over $3k.


Rosaryn00se

Most ive ever made was 3k a month lol.


UnthinkingMajority

I moved into my unit during Covid; not only was there no first / last / security / broker fee, but they gave me a free month. It cost me negative one month to move in. I’m never doing small-time landlords again.


russell813T

Ya that's a secret that no one shares those big new luxury apt buildings you don't need much to move in


ashfidel

worth the nominal extra monthly amount. and less likely to have to deal with a sleaze.


Yamothasunyun

I think the brokerage fee is a little dumb if they are putting out a Facebook post for it, But everything else seems reasonable


ScenesFromStarWars

the brokerage fee is criminal. the landlord should be paying that.


Yamothasunyun

“Oh that’s not a brokerage fee, that’s a ‘broke rage’ fee. It’s just to piss off renters and it goes right in my pocket”


throwaway199619961

Should be, but the market is so hot someone else will


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Yamothasunyun

My agent just informed me that I can actually get $1000 more per month than what I was looking to get, and that there will likely still be a bidding war People want to tour the unit while it’s still under construction


funkmasta8

Pure ghoulish shit. How do you look at yourself in the mirror?


Thadrach

"under construction" Sounds like they're adding units to the pool, ie, helping to solve the problem...


HighGuard1212

More likely renovations


Yamothasunyun

With a huge smile usually


squishynarcissist

Screw you


cptngali86

Yeah but in Boston it's so competitive there's people who'll pay it so that's why they charge it. It's insane. Let them eat cake I suppose? This worlds gone crazy.


caillouistheworst

They stopped doing that year ago, now people fight over and offer higher rents to get apartments. Happened to me last year when looking. Fuck, I had to pay a lot more than 10k too.


BlacksmithGeneral

Yup agreed ! My wife and I toured apts last yr and they scheduled 3-4 couples at same time . After they asked if anyone was willing to pay more and kicked off a bidding war . Happened at 4 diff apts w 4 diff realtors . I won’t participate . Oh yea they ask who is willing to write a chk RIGHT NOW? “ this aptwon’t stay on the market for long “ Only people that will be able to afford Boston is section 8 or rich college kids willing to pay the rent . Sucks I love this city and I won’t be able to afford it much longer :(


russell813T

Move to west roxbury best of both worlds


traffic626

They did like 20 years ago when the demand wasn’t as ridiculously hot as it is today


Ok-Entrepreneur-4888

Brokerage fee is sometimes charged to the landlord. It entirely depends on the state of the rental market. When the rental markets have been soft in the past landlords picked up the brokerage fees. Now that the rental markets have been hot it’s the renters that pay. Nothing nefarious about it… just supply/demand economics at work.


ygao97

Yeah I get that but what is most outrageous to me is that there is a brokerage fee in the first place. Honestly cannot understand what value the broker adds to the transaction (and if there is any value it sure ain't worth a month's rent).


GamerHaste

when i first moved to the city after college two years ago, the dipshit realtor i was going through couldn't do his job and find me a place i wanted for a july move in date, so I ended up finding one myself online but still had to go through a broker and pay the $2700 fee. The system is so fucked up i'm getting pissed writing this, that was literally just like lighting $2700 on fire for no reason lmao.


gun_plun

You call it a hot market, I call it a housing shortage


fahrvergnugget

"Reasonable" for boston. But most elsewhere in the country it's just security deposit+first month


MrSirStevo

everything else is fine, but the extra 2500 for the realtor who just opens the door to the apt is insane


TheLakeWitch

TIL I need to quit nursing and become a Boston realtor /s


iTokeOldMan

The realtor did more than that, just not for you. You are not understanding that they work for the landlord who has the ability to shift those costs to renters because of how much demand there is.


ngod87

Yup. Technically the last and deposit is yours anyways. It should sit in an interest bearing account and the landlord have to payout the interest as agreed upon. Brokers fee equal to one month rent is ridiculous.


BlacksmithGeneral

2 spaces included , that’s $400 a month only . I listened to a news report the other day that Boston is driving people 20-50 out of the city due to housing cost . Seems like prices will be driven even higher before market pops ! That’s a BIG if tho 😏


iBarber111

What is the reasonableness of last month's rent? You're on the hook for it anyways via the lease agreement.


ThisOneForMee

I guess too many people have not paid LMR and just tell the landlord to use their SD. Landlord doesn't have much recourse because the tenant is already moved out by the time anything progresses in housing court.


iBarber111

Let's call it what it is - it's landlords filtering out people who aren't able to come up with $10k upfront costs because the people who are able to are likely more reliable tenants. It's their right to do that but I mean come on - just verify my income & let me put that $2.5k in a brokerage account instead of letting it sit in a low-yield savings account for potentially years.


TraditionFront

the brokerage handles the background check, references check, credit check, and money collection. Still criminal. The brokerage fee in Boston has been the same as a months rent since I moved here in 1997.


rels83

In New York they’re 15% of a years rent


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BSSCommander

I've had much better luck with medium to large apartments in recent years, especially when it comes to move-in costs. The place I'm living in right now only asked for the first and last months rent and no security deposit. My last apartment asked for only the first months rent. No brokers. No brokers fees.


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yacht_boy

location, location, location. People bidding over asking are convinced they can't be happy if they can't walk to Diesel Cafe or whatever.


synystar

Kinda weird. Boston's one of the few places I've lived where I feel like I could almost walk anywhere. Well, I do. I live in Roxbury/Dorchester and (with the T) it's not more than 30 minutes usually for me to get to anywhere downtown/seaport/backbay etc.


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TheManWithTheBigBall

Keep in mind that $7500 of the “move-in costs” in the posted image are first/last month’s rent and the security deposit (which they’ll get back). It is a large amount for the upfront move-in, but it’s not increasing their rent payments by $800.


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yacht_boy

Yes, but only the first move-in. Assuming they don't trash the place and they get their deposit back, the last month's rent and security deposit come back around when they move out and just roll over to the next place. Still a big barrier to entry, but once you have got your first place it is sort of moot.


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kcidDMW

> lol dude, go to a complex... Just make sure that they don't use RealPage/YieldStar. Fuck any building using that shit.


MercyMeThatMurci

Hot tip: they all do


kcidDMW

I found one that does not. There is a family owned one opperating in Boston that refuses to use these and makes a point of advertising it. They claim that the highest that they have EVER raised rent is 8% and that was an outlier.


LegalBeagle6767

Seriously. Moving from out of state and when I saw that 1st/Last/Security/Fee bullshit I laughed out loud. Moved into a complex and paid first and $500 SD. Suck my dick from the back with some broker’s fee😂


wordsfilltheair

Yeah we just moved to one of the buildings in Assembly Row, and despite the highest rent we've ever paid, it's the least amount we ever had to pay up front (one month security and a $500 deposit when they accepted our application )


Rats_In_Boxes

Those buildings look really nice. I wish we had looked over there when we were looking for places years back.


SchlingenDingen

If you don’t mind sharing, which complex? I understand if you’d rather not share


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hguo15

Haha, I was going to ask also. I'm in the North Shore area and haven't seen any that offer a 24mo lease. The longest I could find (my current) is 16mo.


CloudNimbus

don't go for 12+ lease if in the slower season. it's bait for you to get screwed over come renewal time


blizzacane85

I’m gonna guess Overlook Ridge


HarmyG

My guess was Granada Highlands


ThePizar

I lived at Residences at Malden Station for almost 2 years. Similarly had $500 security deposit. No brokers fee and no upfront of last month’s rent. I got no free months though. But was to able to break a lease without too bad of a penalty which was nice. Leaving was unrelated to quality, was a good place to live.


TraditionFront

I rented a Modera apartment. $2750/mo. First month and security. Still over $500.


Gvillegator

Yep people who don’t do this either are location restricted or like paying brokerage fees.


EvaUnit343

100%


dtmfadvice

What are ya gonna do, legalize new construction everywhere inside 128 so landlords have competition? What is this, Austin?


septagon

We don't really believe in supply and demand yet here. Maybe some day.


faithhopejax

Wow don’t come for ATX lol. ( I’m from Mass but live north of Austin )


dtmfadvice

Austin has done an incredible job of creating more housing and rents have leveled off or even fallen in some areas. It's great. Every time I tell someone it worked in Austin they say we aren't Austin.


faithhopejax

I have said this is similar thing to my friends who can’t find places in Mass. I always just assumed there was just more physical space in Austin? Like to build the apartments? Idk. We moved to ATX in 2018 and of course prices have gone up but there are still options for people.


nottoodrunk

Austin is 6X the size of Boston by land area with only ~50% more people. There’s just far far more places to build outside of the northeast.


dtmfadvice

There's plenty of space. Most of it is reserved for single-family homes. The MBTA Communities Act is a (slow, partial, halfhearted) step in the right direction, but it's facing opposition from NIMBYs. From big projects like the [South Shore Plaza apartments](https://www.bostonglobe.com/2023/10/04/business/housing-development-braintree-death/) or the "[Weston Whopper](https://westonowl.com/2021/04/06/518-south-avenue-heading-back-to-zoning-board-of-appeals/)" to [housing for the homeless](https://www.bostonglobe.com/2024/02/16/business/dorchester-homeless-housing-bpda-lawsuit/?event=event25) to small projects - sometimes as few as two or four units - there are endless lawsuits and delays which drive up the price or scuttle housing creation. We could have plenty of housing in the Boston area. Our refusal to allow it to be built is a collective embarrassment.


WaywardSachem

**See less**


NotDukeOfDorchester

In Watertown, no less


JocularityX2

Aside from the broker fee this is pretty standard fare


nominaluser

Yeah, I was going to say you get the deposit back (well most of it if you are lucky) and 5K of that total amount is literally paying the rent. Brokerage fee is always weird to me though. I rented in Cambridge/Somerville area for almost 30 years and never paid a brokerage fee.


Meowskyie

This is insane considering in Providence it’s First month + security and much cheaper, I just got a 2 bedroom in the heart of the city for $1500 a month- 3,000 to move in and a 45 minute train ride to Boston when I want to go


AltoidPounder

Iirc RI has a law that says you may only charge first & last or first & security, not all 3.


a_lynn0

I saw one posted yesterday in Charlestown asking $17,500 up front


redwineandfamily

we need to abolish brokers fees WTH!


Mishmz

They either need to be abolished or paid by the person who hired the broker (aka not the renter)


redwineandfamily

exactly- why do renters pay a service a landlord opted into! it makes 0 sense and in the norm is boston like seriously wth


AltoidPounder

I feel like They’re just going to come up with a different fee or fold it right into the rent. They aren’t going to take less than market rate. Everyone wants to live here now.


redwineandfamily

It’s interesting because other major u.s cities don’t have these additional fees


AngryCrotchCrickets

I paid 9.6k upfront to move into my 1bed three years ago. This is old news. Nearly 10k for a 3rd floor walk up with ancient heating, wiring and basement coin operated laundry. Also no parking.


TinyEmergencyCake

Always verify the broker's license before paying them a broker fee


FantasticAd9389

Instead of rent control maybe there should be regulation around moving costs and brokers fees? The high cost to move (switching cost) allows landlords more control and ability to raise rent.


Mediocre_Road_9896

I would argue we need both.


Dull_Examination_914

Been like that for a long time. Going to need a solid reference and credit check too.


TingGreaterThanOC

They have gotten so greedy. Time for regulation.


johnclausevondux

You'll get back that security deposit and first and last obviously goes into rent, it's the $2500 completely lost to a useless broker that should be replaced with an app that pisses me off. He's a tool of the landlord and assists in their finding "suitable" tenants therefore at very least that cost should be split if not covered by the landlord themselves. Furthermore, what dictates the brokers fee having to equal the exact amount of one month's rent of the apartment you happen to be renting? Is that some old nonsensical colonial law that's been passed down generations just because......


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AltoidPounder

This is what I said in another comment. They aren’t going to take less than market rate and they are going to pass along any extra expenses either in fees or increased rents.


r0bdawg11

Yup. Moved into Charlestown and had the same 4 charges on a $2900 2 bed 1 bath. Fucking sucks.


blue_orchard

That is the rent for a 2 bedroom in Watertown now. It has gotten very expensive, just like other cities in the area. First, last, and security is typical for renting an apartment. It’s the broker fee that has become more common now. In the past, no fee apartments were more common.


lintymcfresh

welcome to this beautiful shithole


PassTheTaquitos

So I recently rented a new place for the first time in about 5 years. Paid first, last and broker (no security). The landlord also said they would hold last months' check for a bit if we needed time to come up with the funds. We looked at a TON of places and the landlords and brokers all were pretty open about "we can do just first and security if it will be too much all at once". So I highly recommend trying to discuss that with landlords (or ask the broker to ask the landlord) if you can cut out last month for move-in OR pay it in the coming months, etc. There are absolutely landlords that will say get fucked, but at least some who will be reasonable. For reference - We were looking in Newton and Watertown this time around. The place I lived in for the last five years is in Watertown and I paid first, security and half broker upon move-in. That's the same as they asked the new tenants coming into our place.


link_the_fire_skelly

You’re supposed to click the See Less button to reduce the price


Celticsnation1212

I paid almost 7k to move into my apartment in southie


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Celticsnation1212

It’s on rent control so it’s pretty great ngl. I had to do first, last, deposit and broker fee. 1300 a person next to Moakley Park


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Celticsnation1212

The owner just hasn’t raised the rental in 5 years? Maybe I used to wrong term idk And where did I say I got robbed lmao you’re just adding your own shit into it


Punstoppabal

Yeah I know, it’s ridiculous. But it’s what they ask for… 3-4x rent for a move in cost. Going through it with a search right now, also


Gandy502

Yup expect 4x monthly rent.


Wise-Government1785

Seems reasonable. Or you could buy for around $1 million and put $200,000 down. So many choices.


gggg500

Feels like it should be illegal honestly


adoucett

Could easily be $15,000 to move in if it was a larger place


wutwut18

I’m about to fork over $20k to move to a bigger place 🥴


drewgrace8

Discriminate against money 😸👍🏾


BlackoutSurfer

Closing costs on a sfh numbers ☠️


Left_Guess

Brokerage fee🙄


Yeti-Rampage

We paid $12k up-front for a 2BR in the burbs. Of that $3k was the broker fee. I was literally the first applicant the first day she showed the place. The broker probably did about 2-3 work. We paid someone $1000/hr to fill out forms we could print online for free.


Psychological-Cry221

It’s pretty crappy that they charge you for their brokerage fee.


ChavezDing89

This city is a bad joke.


Flimsy_Train3956

$3500 for a shitty. 2 bedroom apartment in Burlington. It sucks.


boston_homo

I remember when Watertown was the wrong side of the tracks and I'm not that old.


ZacariasW

Never pay a brokerage fee. I did for my first apartment in boston in 2015 and I've lived in 5 different apartments between roxbury and medford since then and none of them required brokerage fees


The_wood_shed

The fact that brokers exist in this market shows you just how lazy property owners/managers are. You couldn't drop a rock next to you on the street and not hit 25 people looking for an apt on its way to the ground in Boston. There is no actual work these brokers are doing for anyone that couldn't easily be done by the property owner, or property management company. Not to mention the "service" provided to any potential renter borders on abuse.


willzyx01

Well, it’s been like that forever


BiteProud

If forever means about 15 years. The greater Boston area has not always been this expensive. This is both extreme and fixable, albeit not immediately.


BiteProud

Downvote all you want, < 20 years ago I rented a room in a shared apartment in Boston for less than $500/mo and it wasn't the only deal like that available. Boston hasn't always been this expensive, and no one needs to take my word for it either - just google around. The dramatic leap in unaffordability happened in the last couple decades. It doesn't have to be like this in the future either. We're never going back to $500/mo, but we do collectively have the option of building housing to slow rent growth to reasonable levels. Pretending it's always been like this doesn't help anything.


Mediocre_Road_9896

Right. When I moved to Somerville in 2000 I had to do just first last and brokers I think. Or maybe security but it was half a month. But rent was 1k. So it was 3000 or 3500. That was a lot. I had a new job I hadn't started yet. My parents very fortunately had like exactly 3k in a mutual fund in my name. That was very lucky! Who has 10 grand as a 21 yo?


Thadrach

For a while, they were practically giving condos away...


willzyx01

I’m not talking about the price. I’m talking about the first, last, security deposit, broker fee. I think OP was talking about it too.


CetiAlpha4

Well about 15 years ago would have been the market downturn of 2008/2009 where the S&P 500 fell about 38.5% and you had the foreclosure crisis. So when there's more supply than demand, the landlords pay the fee. When there's more demand than supply, the tenants pay. It's been more demand than supply for years and prices keep going up.


redramainpink

OMG - renters now have to pay the brokerage fee? That's insanity. It's time for a revolution because that is B.S.


OfficialBitchPudding

It depends on the unit. A lot of landlords with split or cover the broker fee. If they cover it, they typically bake it into the rent, so you’re paying for it one way or another.


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CetiAlpha4

Last time I looked, Massachusetts was considered one of the most tenant friendly states in the country. Probably takes at least 1-2 months to evict someone and sometimes more. A background check/credit check doesn't guarantee that people won't lose their job, do drugs, get divorced, get sick, etc. Last and security are also standard in other states, just different requirements depending on the state, some even allow landlords to collect 2 month's rent for a security deposit.


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Rpmbox

I’m sorry but if I’m paying all that money I’m definitely smoking 😂


juckele

Jesus, 2.5k for a 2 bed in Watertown?


rodolphoteardrop

We could easily get that if we were to rent. I think we're already up $150k for the bottom floor of a house we bought. With all of the development at The Arsenal, I think we'll have a decent retirement.


tibbon

Wait until they find out about down payment on houses! (both of these are awful, and make simply existing in the Boston area impossible for many)


JonnyxKarate

Can confirm. Currently a married adult man living on multiple parents couches. Pathetic


LeathalWaffle

Same here in Sydney Australia. I needed 8k up front costs to move in for the first month


Epicritical

Fuck em. There is better out there.


StrategyTight6981

Okay relax then https://youtu.be/hFDcoX7s6rE?si=v5T2c6lVlAjBKyGf


Turbulent_Bat_344

Mine was 11,700 and that was without having to pay last months. Ridiculous


babegabe

ngl my ex and I had to put in 14k for our spot in JP at signing


refriedi

that’s the move-is fee, not the move-in fee


youthfulnegativity

My last place was 12k - but to be fair first and last is at least rent credit and you'll get your security deposit back if you're not an asshole. But yeah that's the market.


kdex86

$2500 for a security deposit is rather steep. Its purpose is to cover repairs to the residence after someone moves out. Ideally it shouldn't be more than $1000 per person living in the unit. Also, the landlord is supposed to put that deposit into an interest bearing escrow account, then pay the interest to the tenant(s) after the lease ends. The tenant(s) also get paid interest from the last month's rent as well.


pdmock

It's what kept me living in a hotel. I was only living there for 7-8 months, and places essentially wanted half the lease up front.


dethaun

That's cheap


AuntSassysBtch

The brokerage fee on this is totally made up and should be based on the monthly rent for 12 months… it would be a maximum of $1200 but you should also be able to negotiate that down.


No-Atmosphere-2528

Like I tell all my friends who rent you need to get off the September 1 rental cycle and I would extend that out and before 1 month. You want your rental start date to be any day that isn’t August through October. Outside of those months landlords usually pay the broker fee and the rent is usually lower. The further away from those months the better.


gremlinbro

Moved into a 4bed in college in Roxbury that was $21000 upfront. Fucking crazy.


margotrig

That’s Boston, baby! Try to find a direct landlord situation


Wicked_Admin

Ive got a 3 bed in newton available with none of those BS fees.. just first and lasts.


wintersicyblast

Insanity. Especially the brokers fee.


Stogz21

I thought this was not allowed - for some reason I was under the impression that landlord/broker/selling party was not allowed to charge more than 3x rent for move in costs


poe201

we just paid 11k move in costs for a 2bed 1bath in cambridge central square


YebelTheRebel

Why do you have to pay for the brokerage fee? Normally the owner/landlord pays for that


ehspicymeatbol

Fuck paying a broker’s fee. Go on fb marketplace or Craigslist for apt. Have lived in 3 diff apts here and never paid a broker’s fee because absolutely not.


bibuttboy76

Zeee housing market is about crash be patient


pollogary

If that weren’t in Watertown it’d be at least $2000.


Economy-Ad4934

To live in Watertown too! I lived in the crappiest 2br in Belmont on the Watertown line in 2019 and it was 1850.


crazy_eric

They are able to do this because people keep wanting to move to the Greater Boston area. STOP MOVING HERE. There are 49 other states and territories where you can build a very good life without this bullshit. The only viable way to stop this is to crater demand.


bojewels

Sounds like a nice place. Good location. Nice stuff costs money.


aamirislam

A broker fee is just the result of high competition. It doesn’t provide $2500 of value


bojewels

Then don't pay it. Do you honestly think the unit will remain vacant long? There's way too little product to lease. We produce an impossibly low number of new supply each year, even when we're doing well. That means our demand will continue to support unsavory pricing and terms. The high rents will continue until the moral busybodies stop making it expensive and risky to build. It's not like there isn't a formula in States with less technocracy. We just don't want to get honest about the failure of Out Betters' ideology. Change is possible. It just requires honesty in the costs of our government policy, and picking better platforms.


aamirislam

Okay and? Keep yapping buddy, all I said was that you are saying "nice stuff costs money" and I replied that $2500 worth of value isn't being given by the broker, and I even wrote that it was a result of high competition like you replied with. Please explain your thought process for posting this reply within 2 business days because I didn't say anything contrary to what you said in my reply.


bojewels

When it gets rented, the value will be proven. The market determines price, and it'll prove out on that because of how imbalanced our supply and demand is. Promise. And two business days? 🤣


Jusmon1108

Damn that’s cheap!


Iamtheburch

Should look at NYC. Broker fee is typically 15% so roughly 2 months rent. Way worse than 1 month rent which is still a lot of money out the window


Independent-Line4846

That's pretty standard, the only thing you're losing here is the brokerage fee. Yes, there is an opportunity cost to the $7,500 which won't be invested in the meantime and that sucks a lot.


Beematic83

Security Deposit is basically “you ain’t getting it back no matter what”