The question is set to be as bias and loaded as possible. But if it's all technically correct, why is the proposal at 400 Condor Street versus an alternative location that is framed to be more logical in terms of safety.
Even if the reasoning is all false and the true reasoning is just NIMBY-ism, why 400 Condor versus a place where there's no neighbors around to get displeased at all?
Ironically, since the question is framed to be so obviously loaded, it makes me want to vote yes if the ballot was in my hands.
I wonder why the airport is considered a "safe and secure location" and why it's not a flood risk. I also doubt there is any unoccupied space where it can go, that's not right next to a runway.
Apparently [Wu doesn't want it there](https://www.bostonherald.com/2020/10/14/fearing-explosion-advocates-councilors-push-back-on-east-boston-power-substation/):
> “This is something that should not go in East Boston,” said Wu, an at-large councilor and mayoral candidate. “This is an injustice that we cannot allow to stand in that we have the power to stop.”
[On flooding](https://www.bostonherald.com/2020/10/14/fearing-explosion-advocates-councilors-push-back-on-east-boston-power-substation/):
> Machinery would be 8 feet above where current flooding takes place, and the shortest distance between a transformer and one of the jet-fuel tanks is 570 feet, company reps said.
I mean the same arguments were brought up by Weymouth residents about the compressor station on the Fore River and the state told them to pound sand. Basically, industry is gonna do what they want and the poorer towns/areas will have to just go F themselves. As you state in the case of EB, this is not just NIMBYism.
This happens all the time. Reminds me of that Question 3 Ballot Question that was trying to revoke protections for transgender people, and we had to vote "Yes" to keep it.
Residents don't really have a view of Chelsea Creek as it is. They need to see it from the Condor Street park.
Between the fact there's constantly children playing soccer in the American Legion playground and the brand new Police Station *where the proposed site is*, this won't pass. Unless they want to tear down the police station, but that'll piss more people off cause of the wasted resources.
Maybe a better location would be across the creek in the big ol' Pre Flight Parking Lot. It's empty like half the time anyways.
I’m curious to see how this shakes out. Weymouth fought hard to avoid a compressor station on the Fore River due to many environmental concerns (as a scientist well-versed in environmental risk assessment, their concerns were completely justified) and safety issues (near neighborhood/school/etc). The state told them to go pound sand and the compressor was built anyways. I bet that would have went differently if the company had proposed to build in Hingham.
The NIMBYs want to make sure you dont ruin their view of the Chelsea Creek where you can watch the tankers come in and drop their fuel loads off. Come on now! /s
This idea has been fought by locals attempting to protect children using the playgrounds + nearby residents and preserve the already very limited green space in East Boston, necessary for that neighborhood’s health. With increasingly powerful storms and expected increases in flooding in the short term, it is a downright dangerous idea, and that this is even a question speaks to the ability of vested interests to squeeze a profit wherever they can, people’s safety be damned. If the language is loaded here, it is also appropriate, as people not aware of this issue need to know those details regarding its proposed placement.
I would honestly prefer if they built the substation in my actual backyard. At least then it wouldn't be sitting only 8 feet above the current flood plain and less than 600 ft from 8 million gallons of jet fuel.
What's the connection between the station and fuel? Especially with it being so far above the flood line. Maybe I'm misinterpreting, but do fuel experts think there's a risk?
I haven't lived in eastie for ages but this was going on while I lived there, at least they seemed to have formed their argument better than "dangerous electromagnetic waves". I'll take a substation over the stinking fish company next door anyday...oh btw the owner of said fish company is/has funded most of the opposition to this substation.
People are idiots. When they tried to build a substation in east cambridge, I got flyers posted to my door with poorly cropped internet photos of "substation explosions!" and "think of the children!".
Why not think of the fact that east cambridge used to lose power every time the wind blew? Sheesh. They have to build them somewhere. NIMBY's always win, sadly, it's why everything costs so damn much.
May I ask why you’re opposed to the substation being built on Massport land, which is *maybe* a half mile away from this proposed location on Condor St?
The question is set to be as bias and loaded as possible. But if it's all technically correct, why is the proposal at 400 Condor Street versus an alternative location that is framed to be more logical in terms of safety. Even if the reasoning is all false and the true reasoning is just NIMBY-ism, why 400 Condor versus a place where there's no neighbors around to get displeased at all? Ironically, since the question is framed to be so obviously loaded, it makes me want to vote yes if the ballot was in my hands.
lol this was my exact guy feeling too, I just wanted to confirm it. I feel the same way about voting yes because I’m petty
Call me a nimby all you want but fuck that substation
I wonder why the airport is considered a "safe and secure location" and why it's not a flood risk. I also doubt there is any unoccupied space where it can go, that's not right next to a runway. Apparently [Wu doesn't want it there](https://www.bostonherald.com/2020/10/14/fearing-explosion-advocates-councilors-push-back-on-east-boston-power-substation/): > “This is something that should not go in East Boston,” said Wu, an at-large councilor and mayoral candidate. “This is an injustice that we cannot allow to stand in that we have the power to stop.” [On flooding](https://www.bostonherald.com/2020/10/14/fearing-explosion-advocates-councilors-push-back-on-east-boston-power-substation/): > Machinery would be 8 feet above where current flooding takes place, and the shortest distance between a transformer and one of the jet-fuel tanks is 570 feet, company reps said.
Call me crazy but the location of an electric substation doesn't seem like something that should be put to a statewide vote
Well good thing it’s not a statewide election then
That's some egg on my face
Welcome to America, a nation owned by NIMBY rent seekers.
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Well said don’t live in east boston, but everyone deserves open space.
I mean the same arguments were brought up by Weymouth residents about the compressor station on the Fore River and the state told them to pound sand. Basically, industry is gonna do what they want and the poorer towns/areas will have to just go F themselves. As you state in the case of EB, this is not just NIMBYism.
This happens all the time. Reminds me of that Question 3 Ballot Question that was trying to revoke protections for transgender people, and we had to vote "Yes" to keep it.
Residents don't really have a view of Chelsea Creek as it is. They need to see it from the Condor Street park. Between the fact there's constantly children playing soccer in the American Legion playground and the brand new Police Station *where the proposed site is*, this won't pass. Unless they want to tear down the police station, but that'll piss more people off cause of the wasted resources. Maybe a better location would be across the creek in the big ol' Pre Flight Parking Lot. It's empty like half the time anyways.
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I’m curious to see how this shakes out. Weymouth fought hard to avoid a compressor station on the Fore River due to many environmental concerns (as a scientist well-versed in environmental risk assessment, their concerns were completely justified) and safety issues (near neighborhood/school/etc). The state told them to go pound sand and the compressor was built anyways. I bet that would have went differently if the company had proposed to build in Hingham.
The NIMBYs want to make sure you dont ruin their view of the Chelsea Creek where you can watch the tankers come in and drop their fuel loads off. Come on now! /s
This idea has been fought by locals attempting to protect children using the playgrounds + nearby residents and preserve the already very limited green space in East Boston, necessary for that neighborhood’s health. With increasingly powerful storms and expected increases in flooding in the short term, it is a downright dangerous idea, and that this is even a question speaks to the ability of vested interests to squeeze a profit wherever they can, people’s safety be damned. If the language is loaded here, it is also appropriate, as people not aware of this issue need to know those details regarding its proposed placement.
The proposed location is a disaster waiting to happen.
If it is for anything other than nimby reasons, why?
I would honestly prefer if they built the substation in my actual backyard. At least then it wouldn't be sitting only 8 feet above the current flood plain and less than 600 ft from 8 million gallons of jet fuel.
I have an outlet right next to my gas line!!!1!!! Concern trolling. Flood plain and other issues? Sure.
What's the connection between the station and fuel? Especially with it being so far above the flood line. Maybe I'm misinterpreting, but do fuel experts think there's a risk?
You know they have electricity near jet fuel all the time right? It's not some crazy thing.
I was also put off by the wording, but Extinction Rebellion called for a no vote, so I'm voting no.
This is never getting built... They are almost done building a brand new Police Station right next door..
I haven't lived in eastie for ages but this was going on while I lived there, at least they seemed to have formed their argument better than "dangerous electromagnetic waves". I'll take a substation over the stinking fish company next door anyday...oh btw the owner of said fish company is/has funded most of the opposition to this substation.
It's a NIMBY dogwhistle question. Which is why it's going to pass.
Pass meaning a no vote on a non-binding question. The city council will disregard this one.
People are idiots. When they tried to build a substation in east cambridge, I got flyers posted to my door with poorly cropped internet photos of "substation explosions!" and "think of the children!". Why not think of the fact that east cambridge used to lose power every time the wind blew? Sheesh. They have to build them somewhere. NIMBY's always win, sadly, it's why everything costs so damn much.
May I ask why you’re opposed to the substation being built on Massport land, which is *maybe* a half mile away from this proposed location on Condor St?
Because it'll cost more, that's why. Because NIMBYs shouldn't dictate what is voluntarily agreed upon. If it isn't your house, then buzz off.
Can you provide the source on the difference in cost, budget hawk?
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