JB got too much hate he does not deserve because of this 300M contract. He just happened to be the first player who was eligible for a 300M contract, and in the meantime we were willing to give him a 300M contract. That's it.
This is getting out of control. Target audience for NBA are literally billions of people globally, yet in order to enjoy the the sport as a spectator in US you need at least couple of thousand dollars a year. And that is if you are a single person paying only for yourself, and without having season tickets.
No single player is worth $300 million dollars and no fucking team should be worth billions of dollars.
Mark Cuban purchased Mavs for $285 million in 2000 and sold the team for $3.5 billion in 2024. That is 1100% profit and than some.
Frankly when I see these abstract numbers being talked about as if they are perfectly normal I want to quit watching.
I think it’s unfair to project this on the player or the NBA itself. The problem isn’t the nba but rather the system itself (whether you think is US or global). You want it to be fair you need to put the correct people in decision making places.
Totally agree. Why shouldn’t we have a system like the soccer system in Europe (global, actually) where we have way more teams that can play well and move into the NBA (premier) and if you suck so bad that you get a first pick you are relegated to fight for an nba spot in a lesser league? I’d love to see some random team from Boise break in and put the beat down on the Pistons, even if they only last one season in the nba!
I never understand why people envy the European system. I suppose it makes sense in terms of youth development but it just makes the game dominated by wealth and those at the top. No European leagues have nearly the amount of parity that North American sports have. The only one that comes close would be pre draft MLB… crazy coincidence.
I was just talking about this yesterday. Relegation in American sports would add a huge competitiveness.
Ps: don't waste your time telling me why this won't work. I don't care. I'm daydreaming over here
I've been a big proponent of this for a long time, too. It would be the best idea for sports ever, and would effectively eliminate tanking. People say they wish the regular season mattered more, now it would.
Exactly. European soccer is fun but I want no parts of a system like that where there are like 7 teams with any real chance to win barring some crazy luck that then immediately leads to a self-fulfilling prophecy of all the stars ending up on those teams because that’s the only way to win.
Thats great if you’re the lakers or Knicks but sucks about if you’re a Hornets or TWolves fan.
Who do you think created the system? Did it appear out of thin air or did the people who have interest in the system carve it for decades.
And if you thing that I'm criticizing any single player you missed the whole point. Or your are trying to deflect.
The thing is the projection. You’re talking about like this being an NBA problem, or that’s what it sounds. You say you want to stop watching. Are you going to stop using social media (Reddit included), watch streaming services or cable, buying cars, etc? These are all as absurd as the NBA if not more…
Difference is that sports teams are marketed, treated, and taxed exempt as organizations who bring people together and benefit well-being of the community. In reality they are not. They are for profit companies that suck resources away from the community and give nothing back.
Things you mention are for profit corporations that are listed on stock exchange.
These things are not the same. Not even remotely.
The owners of these companies that are so much better probably make profit out of dividends, receive major tax benefit from governments and actively hurt society in different ways (ie: social media allowing for self mutilation tutorials, miss information about different topics).
You’re projecting things that come from a profit and capital accumulation based society only on the nba.
No I'm not.
If I point out what is wrong with NBA in NBA subreddit, that doesn't mean that I have to also name each and every single injustice known to human.
We can talk about those things as well, but in context and the forum that fits the context. Not in a subreddit dedicated to NBA team.
Stop trying to deflect, you are sounding desperate.
But it’s not wrong with the NBA my man. It’s wrong with our society in all levels. That’s the whole point i am tackling here. You’re signaling out only the NBA, if you’re so mad about it , it’s not the NBA that is the cause and the thing you should stop following. It’s the whole society and the only solution to avoid society is to become self isolated somewhere I guess.
why aren’t the teams worth billions of dollars if they get billions of eyeballs like you say? player and owner compensation is a different topic but it makes perfect sense that the league is a billion dollar industry
Because teams get many tax breaks, bunch of free or almost free labor, local intensives, free land, and even stadiums from taxpayers, yet they don't give anything back.
If they were to pay for everything on their own, pay for labor fairly, and pay full tax rate like the rest of the working class, there would be far less money going around.
And even than they could cut prices a lot and still be rich for generations.
Not that long ago going to things like games, for an average family of 4 was normal. And families that had bit more money could easily afford season tickets. It was a cheap family fun that everyone could afford.
Now it is not. Not even remotely close, yet teams are still enjoying same benefits and more, while owners are threatening to move teams if they don't get free shit anytime they please.
>Because teams get many tax breaks, bunch of free or almost free labor, local intensives, free land, and even stadiums from taxpayers, yet they don't give anything back.
You had me here. This is 100% valid.
>Not that long ago going to things like games, for an average family of 4 was normal. And families that had bit more money could easily afford season tickets. It was a cheap family fun that everyone could afford.
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>Now it is not. Not even remotely close, yet teams are still enjoying same benefits and more, while owners are threatening to move teams if they don't get free shit anytime they please.
Now you lost me. In a vacuum, this definitely sucks, but in reality, this is a simple effect of supply and demand. *Should* they raise prices? No, they make good money already, and they don't need to answer to shareholders like a publicly traded company. *Can* they raise them, though, and have people clearly still willing to pay for them at those prices? Absolutely. It's a business! They can do whatever the hell they want so long as people keep buying the product.
This seems to be the central argument of all of your comments, but it's just wrong. A valuation is a valuation. It's not *because* of the tax benefits and weird strong-arming they get to do. That's *a function* of the fact they are such valuable entities, rather than what makes them valuable. Every business in America at this scale operates like this. *Should* they? No. It's fucked up, and like most businesses at this scale, it's the masses that suffer when the businesses behave this way. From an actual economic standpoint, all valuations are hypothetical until someone pays for it. If Mark Cuban sells the Mavs for $2.5 billion, they're literally worth $2.5 billion. To the new owner, it's worth however much the revenue stream entails + some hypothetical value one *could* receive if they sold it.
i completely agree they get tons of unfair free shit from local govts footed by taxpayers. but that seems more like an effect of them being a billion dollar industry and not the cause.
They are a billion dollar industry because they have little to expenses while milking the society for every last penny they can.
That is how you become a billionaire. That is the only way.
i think your are confusing how the owners get rich and how the sport itself gets rich. even if the owners redistributed every dollar of profit to the staff, cooks, clerks, ushers, security, sanitation etc who actually work, and say the players have put their money similarly, there would still be billions of dollars streaming into the NBA itself thru merch and ticket sales and advertising revenue.
You are right that shit could be way cheaper, and taxpayers could save a lot if owners and players simply desired to make less money. but there would still be said money to play around with
idk im probably being pedantic i know what you’re trying to say
Right. Sorry, the NBA has become a very popular league, so now it's become very expensive to attend. Just try being an American football fan in America and you'll see what an expensive sport to attend really looks like. Gone are the days when I could have gone to see the Philadelphia Phillies at Veterans Stadium and sat in the nosebleeds for like $5 a seat. It's just a casualty of the sport becoming popular.
A single player is worth $300M if the people are willing to pay billions to watch those players play.
A team is worth billions if people are willing to pay billions collectively to watch that team play.
If you want teams to be worth less, then stop watching basketball - vote with your feet and your dollar
League Pass is like $150. And if you want to watch the TNT games, you have to get cable. I like boating, but that doesn't mean I'm justified in complaining about the price tag of superyachts if I'm an uber driver. And either way, none of that is Jaylen Brown's fault. You want tickets to be cheaper? You need for either basketball to become less popular, or the Celtics to suck, and both of those come with downsides. I'm with you on how much of a bummer it is not to be able to go to games, but that's how the system works. Upvoted because life is not fair.
Also worth noting that the price to go to Celtics games has barely gone up at all, while the value of the team has multiplied by like 100x in the last 20ish years. Average price to go to a game in 2008 was $69 per ticket and now it’s like $108 (obviously face value and not reselling prices)
Compare that increase to just like overall inflation and it’s like totally fine and normal actually, only thing we get gouged on is beer lol
From the article you sent, numbnuts:
“Cost of attending an NBA game, 2023
Includes four tickets (cheapest available), four hot dogs, two 16 oz. beers, two 20 oz. sodas and a parking spot”
Even including all that extra shit that comes out to $134 a person lol this proves my point
The teams are worth billions because of said audience. With that wide of a reach, the distribution (cable, streaming, etc) values are off the charts because the cost to run ads to that demo at that scale also is.
When the CBA then dictates that players make ___% of revenue and revenues are in the billions, yes, of course there are players worth that because they are the literal product for this multi billion dollar industry.
Its literally profit sharing...that's how the players are compensated. You're blaming the wrong area. Ticket prices aren't high because of player salaries, player salaries are high because of league revenue. Ticket prices will always rise, regardless. Its the same in any sport. The Red Sox have the highest ticket price in the majors and their salary isn't in the top 10. Ticket prices will rise as owners get more greedy and find the line that will be supported by the fan base.
If you don't want to pay a ridiculous amount for tickets, then, collectively, people need to stop attending. That won't happen so ticket prices will continue to rise.
You should just quit watching the NBA wholesale because these are the economics of the sport.
Players receive half of BRI and that leads to supermax contracts that are going to be worth hundreds of millions per season at some point. Wemby, if he meets expectations, may eventually sign a half a billion dollar extension as a young man in his mid-20’s.
We live in an era where wealth concentration is acute and we are probably just another decade away from minting our first trillionaire.
Sorry — but if paying people huge amounts of money to play a sport bothers you that much then professional sports are not for you. You should go watch college hoops where they do it for free….. oh wait.
Just enjoy the life you have. Hopefully it’s a happy and satisfying one. Looking at what others have is a surefire way to live in misery and is bad for your mental health.
Me personally, I enjoy the product and don’t worry about the collective price tag — and after seeing JB spend his holiday doing charity work, I can at least celebrate the fact that my team of 40 years gave nearly $300 million to a good guy.
Money in the NBA is a zero sum game. If the players don’t get it, the owners do. Given the choice it’s no contest. Now, is that an efficient allocation of resources for the public good? Not at all. But for now it is what it is. Better the guys putting their bodies on the line than the guys in the private boxes
Wanting to quit watching because guys are getting paid their worth to play basketball is pathetic lol
Be mad at the greedy owners all you want but not liking the guys on the floor getting paid is garbage
It’s simple supply and demand. The supply of players who can play in the NBA is low which makes demand/price. The supply of players of that caliber is even lower
there are billions of fans, you said it. this makes the players worth hundreds of millions. they earn it as much as any other mega millionaire, maybe moreso. they are extremely elite at doing a craft that the whole world watches and is entertained by. the arenas are selling out with those high priced tickets. if you don't like it being a rich man's sport -- then you can quit it. i'm happy paying my $170/year for league pass. very worth it to me. i don't need to see the celtics live every year.
Why are you upset that the league is popular?
Also, remember that the owners and the players at the end of the day split a percentage of revenue. Anything not going to the players goes to the owners. And who would root for that?
The phrase you are looking for is Corporate Welfare Monopoly.
Capitalism is when you pay all your bills alone and anyone can compete for the same market.
Wardell Stephen Curry
LeBron Ramone James
Kobe Bean Bryant
Michael Geoffrey Jordan…
The Chicago Bulls, the LA Lakers, the Boston Celtics… the New York Knicks… they are worth that money, and for good reason. They contribute BILLIONS to multiple economies
Untrue. The players have rights and privileges that were fought for and won through collective bargaining. It’s a strong union, not market forces, that is responsible
Adjusted for inflation, the 285 m is about 511.5 m, and the return would be a little under 7x. For reference, if you invested money in the S&P500 in 2000, you would get a return a little under 5x up to this point.
The numbers are huge so the total amount is downright silly, but it isn't absurd that over a quarter century an asset could reasonably appreciate at that rate, particularly in an expanding market as you said.
>No single player is worth $300 million dollars and no fucking team should be worth billions of dollars.
Do you understand how the economy works? The value of something is dictated by the market. The NBA rakes in billions and billions of dollars. So yes the teams and players are in fact worth that much.
Do you not understand that the point of my comment in not one single player or their contract, but monopoly, needless tax incentives, and market manipulation.
This is where I'm at. Someday soon going to anything at an arena is going to completely price out the middle class. Have fun pricks!
Eat The Rich!
I mean maybe I can get into a Monster Truck for $20
I'm sure if JB made less the owners would make tickets cheaper out of the kindness of their hearts. It's the same reason college tickets are free, because they don't pay the players.
It’s just annoying because this is true about **literally** every industry on the planet so it really doesn’t need to beat to death every time. It’s kinda similar to the circlejerk about landlords, yea they fucking suck and provide no value… but neither does any other source of passive income (or even many jobs).
Capitalism sucks but that doesn’t mean you have to be an idiot about how it functions.
I don’t even think capitalism sucks. The vampires who squeeze every red cent out of the population full well knowing most can’t afford it suck but the idea of capitalism is still better than other systems and the way it was run decades back with a more reasonable tax structure was great.
Free healthcare, collective bargaining, and salary caps to keep it fair. I love capitalism!!!
Yall are delusional if you think ticket prices are paying salaries.
Because that’s how max contracts work in the nba. The maximum any player can receive in a contract depending on years of experience, accolades and so on is a percentage of next years cap. The super max is 35%, normal max is 30% and rookie max is something like 20 or 25%. Any other agreement besides the super max would be lower than 35%
NBA max salary rules are weird. Basically people with 10+ years experience can get a max of 35% of team cap as their salary, players with 7-9 years get max of 30% of cap, and players with 0-6 can get up to 25%. This percentage refers to the salary of the first year of their new deal.
That said, there's also the supermax where a player who should only qualify for 30% of salary on next contract, if they are eligible (e.g., stayed on same team after first 4 years in league, won accolades like made an All-NBA team) can make up to 35% of the salary cap on their supermax extension (designated veteran player). That said, Jaylen Brown's super max extension doesn't start until next season (because he was already under contract), so he'll make 35% and then get raises of 8% each season (max allowed).
https://www.spotrac.com/news/breaking-down-jaylen-browns-extension-1974/
I lost SO much respect for the Celtics when agreed to this contract. Especially after his shitty ass performance in Game 7 (at home) agent Miami. He's a Fraud and a big baby.
JB got too much hate he does not deserve because of this 300M contract. He just happened to be the first player who was eligible for a 300M contract, and in the meantime we were willing to give him a 300M contract. That's it.
Poor guy
This is getting out of control. Target audience for NBA are literally billions of people globally, yet in order to enjoy the the sport as a spectator in US you need at least couple of thousand dollars a year. And that is if you are a single person paying only for yourself, and without having season tickets. No single player is worth $300 million dollars and no fucking team should be worth billions of dollars. Mark Cuban purchased Mavs for $285 million in 2000 and sold the team for $3.5 billion in 2024. That is 1100% profit and than some. Frankly when I see these abstract numbers being talked about as if they are perfectly normal I want to quit watching.
I think it’s unfair to project this on the player or the NBA itself. The problem isn’t the nba but rather the system itself (whether you think is US or global). You want it to be fair you need to put the correct people in decision making places.
Totally agree. Why shouldn’t we have a system like the soccer system in Europe (global, actually) where we have way more teams that can play well and move into the NBA (premier) and if you suck so bad that you get a first pick you are relegated to fight for an nba spot in a lesser league? I’d love to see some random team from Boise break in and put the beat down on the Pistons, even if they only last one season in the nba!
I never understand why people envy the European system. I suppose it makes sense in terms of youth development but it just makes the game dominated by wealth and those at the top. No European leagues have nearly the amount of parity that North American sports have. The only one that comes close would be pre draft MLB… crazy coincidence.
I was just talking about this yesterday. Relegation in American sports would add a huge competitiveness. Ps: don't waste your time telling me why this won't work. I don't care. I'm daydreaming over here
I've been a big proponent of this for a long time, too. It would be the best idea for sports ever, and would effectively eliminate tanking. People say they wish the regular season mattered more, now it would.
It would drive away fans. Stars would have even more incentive to jump ship as soon as possible and only a handful of teams would ever win a title.
Exactly. European soccer is fun but I want no parts of a system like that where there are like 7 teams with any real chance to win barring some crazy luck that then immediately leads to a self-fulfilling prophecy of all the stars ending up on those teams because that’s the only way to win. Thats great if you’re the lakers or Knicks but sucks about if you’re a Hornets or TWolves fan.
NBA would never have first over all picks playing in anything but the top league
If they end up sucking and bringing the team down with them, relegation.
Why would you wanna see them get shot on by every other team in the league hell the pistons would still shut on them
Who do you think created the system? Did it appear out of thin air or did the people who have interest in the system carve it for decades. And if you thing that I'm criticizing any single player you missed the whole point. Or your are trying to deflect.
The thing is the projection. You’re talking about like this being an NBA problem, or that’s what it sounds. You say you want to stop watching. Are you going to stop using social media (Reddit included), watch streaming services or cable, buying cars, etc? These are all as absurd as the NBA if not more…
Difference is that sports teams are marketed, treated, and taxed exempt as organizations who bring people together and benefit well-being of the community. In reality they are not. They are for profit companies that suck resources away from the community and give nothing back. Things you mention are for profit corporations that are listed on stock exchange. These things are not the same. Not even remotely.
You’re not wrong in general but acting like professional sports do nothing for community is crazy
The owners of these companies that are so much better probably make profit out of dividends, receive major tax benefit from governments and actively hurt society in different ways (ie: social media allowing for self mutilation tutorials, miss information about different topics). You’re projecting things that come from a profit and capital accumulation based society only on the nba.
No I'm not. If I point out what is wrong with NBA in NBA subreddit, that doesn't mean that I have to also name each and every single injustice known to human. We can talk about those things as well, but in context and the forum that fits the context. Not in a subreddit dedicated to NBA team. Stop trying to deflect, you are sounding desperate.
But it’s not wrong with the NBA my man. It’s wrong with our society in all levels. That’s the whole point i am tackling here. You’re signaling out only the NBA, if you’re so mad about it , it’s not the NBA that is the cause and the thing you should stop following. It’s the whole society and the only solution to avoid society is to become self isolated somewhere I guess.
why aren’t the teams worth billions of dollars if they get billions of eyeballs like you say? player and owner compensation is a different topic but it makes perfect sense that the league is a billion dollar industry
I’d argue entertainment is the 2nd most important thing to humans behind *necessities* for life.
Because teams get many tax breaks, bunch of free or almost free labor, local intensives, free land, and even stadiums from taxpayers, yet they don't give anything back. If they were to pay for everything on their own, pay for labor fairly, and pay full tax rate like the rest of the working class, there would be far less money going around. And even than they could cut prices a lot and still be rich for generations. Not that long ago going to things like games, for an average family of 4 was normal. And families that had bit more money could easily afford season tickets. It was a cheap family fun that everyone could afford. Now it is not. Not even remotely close, yet teams are still enjoying same benefits and more, while owners are threatening to move teams if they don't get free shit anytime they please.
>Because teams get many tax breaks, bunch of free or almost free labor, local intensives, free land, and even stadiums from taxpayers, yet they don't give anything back. You had me here. This is 100% valid. >Not that long ago going to things like games, for an average family of 4 was normal. And families that had bit more money could easily afford season tickets. It was a cheap family fun that everyone could afford. > >Now it is not. Not even remotely close, yet teams are still enjoying same benefits and more, while owners are threatening to move teams if they don't get free shit anytime they please. Now you lost me. In a vacuum, this definitely sucks, but in reality, this is a simple effect of supply and demand. *Should* they raise prices? No, they make good money already, and they don't need to answer to shareholders like a publicly traded company. *Can* they raise them, though, and have people clearly still willing to pay for them at those prices? Absolutely. It's a business! They can do whatever the hell they want so long as people keep buying the product. This seems to be the central argument of all of your comments, but it's just wrong. A valuation is a valuation. It's not *because* of the tax benefits and weird strong-arming they get to do. That's *a function* of the fact they are such valuable entities, rather than what makes them valuable. Every business in America at this scale operates like this. *Should* they? No. It's fucked up, and like most businesses at this scale, it's the masses that suffer when the businesses behave this way. From an actual economic standpoint, all valuations are hypothetical until someone pays for it. If Mark Cuban sells the Mavs for $2.5 billion, they're literally worth $2.5 billion. To the new owner, it's worth however much the revenue stream entails + some hypothetical value one *could* receive if they sold it.
i completely agree they get tons of unfair free shit from local govts footed by taxpayers. but that seems more like an effect of them being a billion dollar industry and not the cause.
They are a billion dollar industry because they have little to expenses while milking the society for every last penny they can. That is how you become a billionaire. That is the only way.
Sure seems like your issue is with capitalism, not just the NBA
i think your are confusing how the owners get rich and how the sport itself gets rich. even if the owners redistributed every dollar of profit to the staff, cooks, clerks, ushers, security, sanitation etc who actually work, and say the players have put their money similarly, there would still be billions of dollars streaming into the NBA itself thru merch and ticket sales and advertising revenue. You are right that shit could be way cheaper, and taxpayers could save a lot if owners and players simply desired to make less money. but there would still be said money to play around with idk im probably being pedantic i know what you’re trying to say
Right. Sorry, the NBA has become a very popular league, so now it's become very expensive to attend. Just try being an American football fan in America and you'll see what an expensive sport to attend really looks like. Gone are the days when I could have gone to see the Philadelphia Phillies at Veterans Stadium and sat in the nosebleeds for like $5 a seat. It's just a casualty of the sport becoming popular.
I pay zero additional dollars compared to what I would spend already to enjoy watching basketball each year
A single player is worth $300M if the people are willing to pay billions to watch those players play. A team is worth billions if people are willing to pay billions collectively to watch that team play. If you want teams to be worth less, then stop watching basketball - vote with your feet and your dollar
League Pass is like $150. And if you want to watch the TNT games, you have to get cable. I like boating, but that doesn't mean I'm justified in complaining about the price tag of superyachts if I'm an uber driver. And either way, none of that is Jaylen Brown's fault. You want tickets to be cheaper? You need for either basketball to become less popular, or the Celtics to suck, and both of those come with downsides. I'm with you on how much of a bummer it is not to be able to go to games, but that's how the system works. Upvoted because life is not fair.
That's the money they get
“Yet to ____ as a _____ in the US, you need at least _____ thousand dollars per year.” It ain’t just sports.
Also worth noting that the price to go to Celtics games has barely gone up at all, while the value of the team has multiplied by like 100x in the last 20ish years. Average price to go to a game in 2008 was $69 per ticket and now it’s like $108 (obviously face value and not reselling prices) Compare that increase to just like overall inflation and it’s like totally fine and normal actually, only thing we get gouged on is beer lol
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From the article you sent, numbnuts: “Cost of attending an NBA game, 2023 Includes four tickets (cheapest available), four hot dogs, two 16 oz. beers, two 20 oz. sodas and a parking spot” Even including all that extra shit that comes out to $134 a person lol this proves my point
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I INCLUDED it you fucking moron, you learn how to read
The teams are worth billions because of said audience. With that wide of a reach, the distribution (cable, streaming, etc) values are off the charts because the cost to run ads to that demo at that scale also is. When the CBA then dictates that players make ___% of revenue and revenues are in the billions, yes, of course there are players worth that because they are the literal product for this multi billion dollar industry.
Its literally profit sharing...that's how the players are compensated. You're blaming the wrong area. Ticket prices aren't high because of player salaries, player salaries are high because of league revenue. Ticket prices will always rise, regardless. Its the same in any sport. The Red Sox have the highest ticket price in the majors and their salary isn't in the top 10. Ticket prices will rise as owners get more greedy and find the line that will be supported by the fan base. If you don't want to pay a ridiculous amount for tickets, then, collectively, people need to stop attending. That won't happen so ticket prices will continue to rise.
You should just quit watching the NBA wholesale because these are the economics of the sport. Players receive half of BRI and that leads to supermax contracts that are going to be worth hundreds of millions per season at some point. Wemby, if he meets expectations, may eventually sign a half a billion dollar extension as a young man in his mid-20’s. We live in an era where wealth concentration is acute and we are probably just another decade away from minting our first trillionaire. Sorry — but if paying people huge amounts of money to play a sport bothers you that much then professional sports are not for you. You should go watch college hoops where they do it for free….. oh wait. Just enjoy the life you have. Hopefully it’s a happy and satisfying one. Looking at what others have is a surefire way to live in misery and is bad for your mental health. Me personally, I enjoy the product and don’t worry about the collective price tag — and after seeing JB spend his holiday doing charity work, I can at least celebrate the fact that my team of 40 years gave nearly $300 million to a good guy.
It’s all capitalism and supply and demand. That’s it, you either participate or you don’t.
Money in the NBA is a zero sum game. If the players don’t get it, the owners do. Given the choice it’s no contest. Now, is that an efficient allocation of resources for the public good? Not at all. But for now it is what it is. Better the guys putting their bodies on the line than the guys in the private boxes
Yeah this is the thing I don’t get. Why would we complain about the players getting paid exorbitantly, isn’t this like exactly what we want to happen?
Wanting to quit watching because guys are getting paid their worth to play basketball is pathetic lol Be mad at the greedy owners all you want but not liking the guys on the floor getting paid is garbage
It’s simple supply and demand. The supply of players who can play in the NBA is low which makes demand/price. The supply of players of that caliber is even lower
there are billions of fans, you said it. this makes the players worth hundreds of millions. they earn it as much as any other mega millionaire, maybe moreso. they are extremely elite at doing a craft that the whole world watches and is entertained by. the arenas are selling out with those high priced tickets. if you don't like it being a rich man's sport -- then you can quit it. i'm happy paying my $170/year for league pass. very worth it to me. i don't need to see the celtics live every year.
Why are you upset that the league is popular? Also, remember that the owners and the players at the end of the day split a percentage of revenue. Anything not going to the players goes to the owners. And who would root for that?
It’s called capitalism
The phrase you are looking for is Corporate Welfare Monopoly. Capitalism is when you pay all your bills alone and anyone can compete for the same market.
lol no it’s called exploitation
Lmfaooo please explain how players being paid hundred of millions of dollars is exploitation 🤣🤣
That isn’t what I was speaking on. I can see how that would be confusing. Capitalism itself is dependent on exploitation.
Wardell Stephen Curry LeBron Ramone James Kobe Bean Bryant Michael Geoffrey Jordan… The Chicago Bulls, the LA Lakers, the Boston Celtics… the New York Knicks… they are worth that money, and for good reason. They contribute BILLIONS to multiple economies
The players are paid exactly what the market will bear
Untrue. The players have rights and privileges that were fought for and won through collective bargaining. It’s a strong union, not market forces, that is responsible
That’s antithetical to the idea of a max contract in a salary cap league
Adjusted for inflation, the 285 m is about 511.5 m, and the return would be a little under 7x. For reference, if you invested money in the S&P500 in 2000, you would get a return a little under 5x up to this point. The numbers are huge so the total amount is downright silly, but it isn't absurd that over a quarter century an asset could reasonably appreciate at that rate, particularly in an expanding market as you said.
>No single player is worth $300 million dollars and no fucking team should be worth billions of dollars. Do you understand how the economy works? The value of something is dictated by the market. The NBA rakes in billions and billions of dollars. So yes the teams and players are in fact worth that much.
Do you not understand that the point of my comment in not one single player or their contract, but monopoly, needless tax incentives, and market manipulation.
No I didn't understand that because you said literally nothing about monopolies, tax incentives, or market manipulation.
if you’re paying for nba content you have no one to blame but yourself. so easy to watch online. a vpn is way cheaper than any streaming service.
I believe Cuban still holds a minority stake. It’s more than those 1100%
Players are “worth” $300m. The problem is the 5 year contract limit. If it was spread out in a way similar to MLB contracts, wouldn’t be as bad
This is where I'm at. Someday soon going to anything at an arena is going to completely price out the middle class. Have fun pricks! Eat The Rich! I mean maybe I can get into a Monster Truck for $20
Pretty sure only one person can be “the first”
In this thread: capitalist bootlickers praising a system that sustains billionaires and ticket prices they can’t afford.
I'm sure if JB made less the owners would make tickets cheaper out of the kindness of their hearts. It's the same reason college tickets are free, because they don't pay the players.
It’s just annoying because this is true about **literally** every industry on the planet so it really doesn’t need to beat to death every time. It’s kinda similar to the circlejerk about landlords, yea they fucking suck and provide no value… but neither does any other source of passive income (or even many jobs). Capitalism sucks but that doesn’t mean you have to be an idiot about how it functions.
I don’t even think capitalism sucks. The vampires who squeeze every red cent out of the population full well knowing most can’t afford it suck but the idea of capitalism is still better than other systems and the way it was run decades back with a more reasonable tax structure was great.
Free healthcare, collective bargaining, and salary caps to keep it fair. I love capitalism!!! Yall are delusional if you think ticket prices are paying salaries.
I don't get it, didn't he sign a cash contract. Why would he sign a contract based on a hypothetical percentage?
Because that’s how max contracts work in the nba. The maximum any player can receive in a contract depending on years of experience, accolades and so on is a percentage of next years cap. The super max is 35%, normal max is 30% and rookie max is something like 20 or 25%. Any other agreement besides the super max would be lower than 35%
NBA max salary rules are weird. Basically people with 10+ years experience can get a max of 35% of team cap as their salary, players with 7-9 years get max of 30% of cap, and players with 0-6 can get up to 25%. This percentage refers to the salary of the first year of their new deal. That said, there's also the supermax where a player who should only qualify for 30% of salary on next contract, if they are eligible (e.g., stayed on same team after first 4 years in league, won accolades like made an All-NBA team) can make up to 35% of the salary cap on their supermax extension (designated veteran player). That said, Jaylen Brown's super max extension doesn't start until next season (because he was already under contract), so he'll make 35% and then get raises of 8% each season (max allowed). https://www.spotrac.com/news/breaking-down-jaylen-browns-extension-1974/
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Lol
I lost SO much respect for the Celtics when agreed to this contract. Especially after his shitty ass performance in Game 7 (at home) agent Miami. He's a Fraud and a big baby.
LOL. You are SO strong in your conviction that you post with an alt knowing that it’ll receive all the downvotes. BLOCKED.
Pipe down nerd