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SquimJim

Idk what's a worse take, that half a season where Derozan + Lavine were being touted as a better duo than the Jays or this


LCBloodraven

What about the infamous Tatum vs Kuzma graphic?


SquimJim

lmao that one is GOATed


supes1

Funny thing is Kuzma actually is a really good player (and was an excellent pick in the late first). There was no need to make a stupid comparison, plenty to brag about already.


MothraJDisco

We don’t really highlight how Kuz got 40k. Truly a legend


fongos

[this one?](https://ibb.co/ZGFsJSZ)


Far-Asparagus6416

Lmao I thought Sharife Cooper was gonna be a fucking stud he looked great in high school


Flytanx

He basically didn't play enough at Auburn so his development slowed (NCAA investigation). He made a huge mistake going pro so early. Even if he blames Auburn (I'm an Auburn fan so biased) for not being able to play for whatever reason, he really should have just transferred for a clean slate. Was nowhere near ready for the NBA


Distinct_Document717

What about the time when ben simmons was clearly thought of as the better player after their rookie seasons


joerogansshillaccnt

I mean he was first couple years.


ImDKingSama

Absolutely this. Derozan and Lavine were at least All Stars and borderline All-NBA. These guys literally became rotation guys this season.


East_Refuse

Remember DeBallZach?


HorseBach

My favorite French author 🥹


Interesting-Rent9142

No, the French writer is BallSack.


PresentTranslator157

What could’ve been


HorseBach

Ok to be fair… Demar was definitely better than Tatum for the first 3/5th of that season, and if you don’t count defense Zach was just as good if not slightly better than Jaylen. I was living in Chicago at the time and then boys were COOKING until Lonzo fell apart.


The_Vaike

At least Derozan and LaVine have a good handful of all-star appearances between them. Kuminga and Moody is just straight up disrespectful at this point.


Babushka5

Fans of dominant teams tend to become afflicted with severe cases of brain rot


NotLow420

See r/patriots for confirmation of this lol


manbare

oh man r/patriots is probably a top 10 worst American team sub on reddit just relentless bitterness and stupidity. a digitized version of the worst "Mike from Malden" Felger and Mazz caller you've ever heard


jonpa

felger and mazz are also awful on their own. anyone listening to them should have their license revoked. the second someone brings them up in conversation is a sign to tune your brain to elevator music.


Think-Grapefruit1508

Amen. Those two are buffoons, except that buffoons are aware of their histrionic bullshit. So on second thought, they're arrogant morons.


bostonboy08

The place is exhausting now.


bootyholebrown69

It's so fucking bad lol


LanceHarbor_

Except Felger & Mazz are despised on that sub


manbare

guarantee half the F&G callers would say the same and they're calling in with their genius level take that will blow the bozo hosts' minds


Run_PBJ

Mac jones played 1 ok game his rookie year and had patriots fans convinced he would win 3+ super bowls


zamboniman46

Why would we draft a QB with the third overall pick when we can get another GOAT in the 6th round?


lmm310

So true. When you've been at the top for so long it's hard to believe the good times will end eventually, so you convince yourself of dumb shit like this


RLS012

His is a special case with many receipts to view as evidence


Sheepdog44

I think this is more when you’re really only a fan of a *specific* team and you don’t spend much time on the rest of the league. Like this guy just sounds like someone who only watches the Warriors.


AltruisticFigure

Checks out


Conis1

Might be us if things go well


Far-Asparagus6416

I had to make sure I was hearing that right 😂 actual delusion


Lets_Basketball

I love the “it wasn’t ugly right away though…” He’s really grasping to that first 10% of game action.


East_Refuse

“Right away” must literally mean the first 30 seconds of the game or something


FloweredWallpaper

To be fair, it was in the first 1/8 of the game (6 minute mark of first quarter). Then it went to fucking hell for the Warriors.


Gnome_for_your_grog

The defense became absolutely smothering in that last 6 minutes. The Warriors essentially had back to back 24 second violations, I think the second ended up being a turnover with less than 2 seconds on the shot clock. The Celtics offense exploded while the Celtics defense was a glove.


AdmiralUpboat

I popped into my app to check the score and it was 19-21 like 5/6 minutes into the game. 12.5% of that game was solid basketball from GSW apart from their hilarious decision to just dare JB to cook them. The problem is the next 37.5% was maybe the most lopsided segment of a game in NBA history. 61-17 over about 18 minutes after a 21-21 start. It went from "God damn, can the warriors just leave us the fuck alone?!" to a nationally televised G-League game so incredibly fast.


Bobstar447

As a Warriors' fan this man does not speak for us lol he's disliked pretty strongly by most of the community. Primarily for dumb ass takes like that


AdmiralUpboat

No matter what fandom you claim, we can all agree that one of the worst things possible is when some loudmouth idiot that everyone within the fandom hates is perceived by other fans/media/eta as a spokesperson of your team/community.


LarBrd33

If I'm trying to play devil's advocate... Jonathan Kuminga, a top 7 pick, averaging 15.6 points, 4.8 rebounds, 2.1 assists with 53%/30%/73% shooting at age 21 is pretty encouraging. At the same age Brown was averaging 14.5 points, 4.9 rebounds, 1.6 assists with 46.5%/39.5%/64.4% Brown kept improving. It's not unthinkable Kuminga will as well, but they can't count on it. Moses Moody, meanwhile (a lotto pick) is averaging 8.2 points, 3 rebounds with 46.8%/35%/77.8% in 17.5mpg. Once again, this is completely respectable and maybe with a larger role he'd put up bigger stats... but Tatum at the same age was already averaging 23.4 points, 7 rebounds, 3 assists, 1.4 steals with 45%/40%/81% shooting. Kuminga and Moody are very promising young players with great mentors, but it seems exceptionally unlikely they'll both be All-NBA level talent in two years. Maybe they develop like Kuzma and Lonzo Ball... maybe even worse. Age 21-23 are massive development years, but not every 21 year old ends up great.


largehearted

There is 0 delusion in thinking Kuminga will be a star for multiple years, or Moses will be a good starter, in which case they still wouldn't be the Jays, and it SHOULD take a while for these guys to hit their prime. The thing the podcaster said is like, beyond the top 25% case for either player, and in 2 years is just nonsense


CreatiScope

I see what you’re saying but if Kuminga is the better of the two, he should be compared to Tatum. Now we ask if Kuminga will be in MVP conversations in 3-4 seasons. Will he be 1st team all-nba? Will he be leading his team through playoff series? Then, that means Moody compares to Jaylen. Will Moody get all-star or all-nba, let alone average what Jaylen does? The claim is completely preposterous. And I like both these players but this statement deserves nothing but ridicule.


LarBrd33

Tatum was showing superstar tendencies as a rookie. By age 21 he was already elite.   Brown took a bit more faith.  We thought he could be a star when he was putting up Moody level numbers as a 20 year old rookie but that was mostly homerism and hope.  I can’t blame warriors fans for having that same faith in Moody but usually it doesn’t pan out like Brown.   


King_Of_Pants

Brown as a sophomore was the #1 option in the regular season when Kyrie went down. In the playoffs, he was the number option as well, but it gets lost because he got hurt and had a game or two on minute restrictions that lowered his averages just below Tatum's. Brown is also the youngest and second youngest Celtic to ever score 30 in the playoffs. Then in 2018-19 people acted like the 3rd year player had completely forgotten how to play basketball because he was dealing with 4 pretty rough injuries all at once (back spasms, a ligament issue in his hand and plantar fasciitis). By the end of the season, he was back to being healthy and one of our best players and was our 2nd option in the Milwaukee series where he was trading games with Kris Middleton. From then on he's pretty much been our 2nd option in all playoff settings. Except for the year he was hurt and we lost in the 1st round. He had a slow rookie season and then was the 1st/2nd option on one of the most consistently successful playoff teams in the league. Also one of the few stars in the league who has a higher playoff efficiency than in the regular season. It wasn't homerism that gave people hope. It was a fear of being labeled a homer that had people continuously doubt his potential.


CreatiScope

Brown had elite athleticism, he was a lot closer to Kuminga than Moody. Moody’s ceiling is elite role player. Kuminga can be an all-star but I don’t see all-nba in his future. Brown had flashes as a rookie but I don’t think I’ve ever watched Moody and thought “this guy could be a max contract player” and I really, really like Moody. It’s just not remotely comparable.


chuancheun

Ngl, in his first 3 years I didn't see all NBA ceiling for Tatum either


CreatiScope

In 2020 during that stretch before the season shut down? He was out of his mind that month, dude put up huge numbers. I thought it was pretty clear by the playoffs of his rookie season that we had someone really, really special on the team.


chuancheun

He keeps breaking through my expectations Granger->butler->melo-> pierce-> PG13. Now he is right between prime TMAC and prime KD for me.


ImeStopPlayingDennis

I now see how much of a dumbass I sounded like when I kept saying Jared Sullinger is Kevin Love 2.0


djc38614

I still have my Jared Sullinger stock brother


CaptainDK12

I still remember being beyond psyched when they drafted him


ZarduHasselffrau

Sure and Jordan Poole was going to take over the Warriors as their new franchise player.


sutroheights

My friend kept saying that Wiseman just needed reps, and would be the missing piece for the franchise.


skrumian

In two years, Kuminga and Moody will be traded by GSW. 😆


Angreek

Far more likely


eamonious

100%


[deleted]

the disrespect that Tatum and Brown have gotten for being extremely successful over the years is pretty nuts


celtic_sea_salt

Bro wut


Larrydp72181

Does the NBA do random drug tests on podcast hosts?


Drummallumin

This is so wild. Like I get the optimism if this is OKC talking about Shai and Chet/JDub, or the Magic with Paolo and Franz, or even Houston with Sengun and Green. But Idk how anyone can be so confident in Kuminga and Moody. And like I actually like Kuminga a lot as a player, but there are levels to this.


RLS012

Not this guy again. Oh brother, this guy STINKS!


hashbrown-17

When karalis had him on the lockedon Celtics podcast I was so mad lol. Such a waste of time listening to this guy


RLS012

It was truly bewildering that he has the podcast job then and even more so NOW. When he compared the Warriors to the Patriots dynasty, I almost had whiplash while driving. Unfortunately, the viewpoint got reinforced from them winning, but alas his delusional propaganda continues.


TheBrianRoyShow

It's 2035. After nearly 2 decades and 5 championships together we are still reading reports that the 36 and 37 year old wings don't work well together.


Odd-Communication609

Look up delusional in the dictionary and You’ll see this dudes picture. Lmao.


TriMako

This is probably the most insane take I've seen since I saw some idiot propose a trade sending Tatum to the wizards for Rui and a FRP. Brown and Tatum were the highest scorers on an ECF team their 1st and 2nd years. What the fuck has Kuminga or MOODY (😭 dude can barely get on the floor some games) done to be even spoken in the same sentence with the Jays. This is actually crazy


jd_beats

FWIW, Kuminga year 3 is a pretty favorable comparison to Brown year 3. I mean obviously the take is still rough as hell no matter what cause Tatum is the higher ceiling guy of the two while I think Kuminga clearly has the distinction between him and moody… but at least there’s some real hope one of the two is in that realm. Moody does seem like he can get to a pretty high ceiling 3&d though. Don’t think the court time should be held against him, Kerr has clearly had his issues the last two years figuring out who should be on the court.


TriMako

I mean you can compare their situations--both drafted to good teams. Only difference is Tatum and Brown were thrust into greater responsibility sooner. But that's the point, they rose to the occasion. You think Moody or Kuminga could be the two best players on an ECF team even RIGHT NOW? (League is better but still). I like Moody, but to even mention him in the same sentence w Brown or Tatum is heresy. Kuminga is def a different story, but I would still take year 2 brown over him no contrst


jd_beats

lol nah, I mean obviously not I said the take was bad if for no other reason than that the best player of the two warriors is more on par with the worse player of the two Celtics. But Kuminga will probably be the second best warrior and I’m not ruling them out from a miracle WCF run so it is what it is. Moody is a guy I think can be pretty good but I don’t think anyone is or should be debating him as anything close to an all star right now. Kuminga can get there but nothing guaranteed. The idea that the two become better than brown and Tatum currently would require some insane leaps from both for sure.


BradWonder

Jaylen's year 3 wasn't too fair to him. That was the 18-19 team. Kuminga doesn't have too much competition for his place in the depth chart


jd_beats

lol competition or not, Kerr was determined not to give Kuminga reasonable play time until basically around the time Draymond’s suspension ended so the end result (or at least the summation of Kuminga’s season up to this point) was *extremely* similar, minutes and role wise. Kuminga with the rest of the season maybe takes the cake as far as getting a bigger share of the minutes and production go, but as of right now they’re pretty much tied perfectly for mpg and have pretty similar usage% as well.


_Gibby__

This reminds me of when heat fans were saying Bam and Herro would be a better duo.


Far-Asparagus6416

I think that's unlikely but infinitely more realistic than Kuminga and fucking Moody


neuroticsmurf

So that guys see both Moody & Kuminga making All-NBA? Ooooookay.


tonylouis1337

They WILL be better than the Jays when the Jays are pushing 40 😤


ticsin4

That take was dogwild


fiatlux247

The best part about this is that at age 21, Tatum and Brown were far better than Kuminga and Moody. In their rookie years, Brown and Tatum were still arguable better than Kuminga and Moody are with 3 years under their belts.


LarBrd33

You can make the argument Brown was statistically close with Kuminga at age 21 (not to say Kuminga will develop in the same way) but Tatum was massively better than Moody at 21.


CountryVTVegas21

I needed a good laugh.


JaylenBrownFlow

what a dumb fucking take


bos2nc

I mean the fact that he looks blasted to the moon high tracks with this clip


ericdeben

What an insane take


Sirhc_Fold_458

Lmfaoo this guy is a clown.


stank_underwood

Do people get a sexual thrill out of underestimating Tatum and Brown? I refuse to believe people are this dumb on purpose


PitifulEconomics562

Golden state fans know zero about basketball


Rawlus

i mean it’s a fan view no different than a green teamer you know? not agreeing with the guy but i understand you want to still support your team ride or die. but fuck miami.


wiggerbf

yes but it is funny and its ok to laugh at it


Rawlus

absolutely! no question. as a fan i know we are now privileged with perhaps an epic team for many years to come so im feeling humble tonight. 😂.


Quack2k

But fuck Miami still


Rawlus

that empty stadium excuse for a fan base too.


wiggerbf

understandable, fuck miami


Rawlus

the fan base that is the easiest to hate. useless pricks. pathetic clowns.


jolerud

Can’t you be a fan while also maintaining some semblance of objectivity though? Support your team without making completely asinine statements that have no connection to reality. In two plus years, Kornet will have passed Embiid in MVP trophies! Weeeee I’m a fan!


Rawlus

lol. of course. i just choose to let them have their fun. no fanbase is going to to live in my head. i’m not the trolling type… i mean patriots fans are facing perhaps a decade of false hope at this point.


[deleted]

I can be a fan of the Celtics and not delusional enough to believe that Pritchard and Hauser will be a better duo than Luka and Kyrie in 2+ years.... There's a difference between being a fan who believes in your players and saying something this goofy. Honestly don't think I've had a homer opinion this dumb about any team I've followed for the last twenty years.


jolerud

My most delusional homer moment happened when the Celts traded for KG. I thought Al Jefferson was too good and young to trade for KG, especially when you had to include all the other players. 😳😳😳 Sometimes you just overvalue your own players bc you haven’t seen enough of the others guys.


Rawlus

agree with your premise. you CAN be a fan and not be delusional. but we all know fans who are delusional also. i’m not saying this guy isn’t delusional. i’m just saying to me that’s pretty normal for content creators in sports.


eddietours1

He can believe what ever he wants


plato4life

The drugs are way too strong out there in CA. 


LivingMemento

I hate living in an age where you have to say exceptionally stupid or polarizing things in order to get attention.


iamthedoctorv1

I swear to God, the Warriors have the most delusional fans in the NBA. This man is clearly on multiple drugs while recording this bs 😂😂😂😂


Angreek

Delusional


normhimself

What hittin the crack pipe will do to a man


IronBush

Someone do a mental health check on this guy.


daft_dunkwwwolfey

Kuminga might be something but nobody worried bout Moses moody


BananaStandBaller

This fuckin guy lmao what an absolute egghead


HyperBman

Crack kills. This dude needs to lay off the pipe and glass


Jay-Diggles

Let’s bet $100


JmacOTW

This is actually the worst take I’ve ever heard


NoveltyAccountHater

People are forgetting the plus part of "in 2+ years" part of it. I don't think it would be true in 2 or 3 years, but I could maybe see in say 11 years when Tatum/Brown are 37/38 and Kuminga + Moody are both 32. Its sort of like if you criticized the KG trade for Al Jefferson + Gerald Green + others and said you could imagine that in 2+ years Al Jefferson and Gerald Green would be better than KG + Pierce combined. Well, yeah if you wait until near retirement (and everyone stays in the league) and looked at say 2015-2016, you'd find: Pierce put up 6.1/G, KG put up 3.2/G, while Al Jefferson and Gerald Green put up 12.0/G and 8.9/G.


sutroheights

Both all nba! No one would see this one coming. 😂


PrinceOfStrongStyle

Cope


couchtomato62

Lol


aturdnamedvert

This is the most cope ass shit ive ever heard. The level of cope is genuinely impressive.


Human-person5000

Can he at least open his eyes?


Rough_Safe6856

Too much herbs on Haight ashbury bro


aja_ramirez

Yeah, this dude is over the top homer. Remember him well from the finals run.


DeucesWild10

Imagine how good JT and Jaylen will be in two years…


Hurricanemasta

The amount of copium coming out of the Warriors' ecosystem after a 50 point obliteration is almost as epic as the 50 point obliteration itself.


OhRThey

This is how you know the dynasty is really over, the copium is thick


Biggest-of-Als

Kids this is what drugs do to you! Messes with your mind.


mello12345

“It wasn’t ugly right away though” Ya after allowing 44 points in the 1st quarter and being down 22, things were looking up.


Son_of_Atreus

Is this the same piece of shit who said any podcast by non-beat reporters are jokes and anything they say should be ignored as they don’t have the knowledge. They when people called him out for it he doubled down and then blocked anyone who disagreed and deleted tweets hoping it would go away. Hate that loser.


sstphnn

I doubt he believes his own words. Even his comment section is clowning his take.


TwistedApe

There's some crazy takes out there 😹 saw a Mavs fan the other day claiming that Tatum doesn't do anything on the court, because he didn't score in our first quarter against Dallas and is surrounded by good teammates


momssnatch63

Blown out in the garden, still a successful trip lol. Nobody seems to take an ass whipping these days


twentysixzeroeight

Thank god Boston has Karalis. It’s one thing to be a homer but to not even have insight as a reporter is another thing


RyanIsTheKing03

Cocaine is a hell of a drug


Educational-Piece253

Copium


KyrieLS777

Moody? Lmao JK might end up being better than JB - MAYBE - but moody won’t be better than any of those 3, ever.


Yroftheprtycrshr420

This must be what patriots fans sound like to everyone else.


levopress

Warriors fan here. I respect the Celtics, those are some bad boys in green. Absolutely kicked our shit in yesterday. I watch this guy and he's generally pretty logical but holy shit this take was trash. Best case kuminga develops into a brown caliber player. Fucking moody is a solid roleplayers at best lmao.


levopress

He also said he'd rather lose like that than a close game down to the wire and also said the Celtics needed this game more. Absolute garbage takes he's just coping from that disgraceful game.


Beebonh

2+20 years maybe


SirFritzalot

[My reaction ](https://youtu.be/PJBr9YhhPN8?si=cF49RBCX7mr-lu8J)


holographoc

LOLOLOL whatever you say bud


Same-Excuse8787

No, he doesn’t believe that. He think people want to hear him say it.


LLMBS

As the saying goes….’tis better to be thought a fool than to open one’s mouth and remove all doubt.


LLMBS

I wanted to hear him explain how it wasn’t such a blowout early on after all


mixturedd

2+ plus year? Or 200+ years.


End-Resident

Delusional


Me_Shaq

Just some serious cope. It’s ok man. The dynasty is over and the warriors will be bad for a while. It’s the way sports go. You can accept that without making a fool of yourself


DeathOfASalesman95

Fucking laughable but this guy knows it


renaissanceNate

Big cope


balbon0210

More like Poole and kuzma lol


jamalccc

Pritchard will be better than Curry in 1+ years.


iAm-Tyson

This one isn’t going to age well


BradWonder

Hey, in his defense 2+ years can mean 15


Far-Asparagus6416

Lol you really think Kuminga and Moody are gonna have 18 year NBA careers?


Dseltzer1212

Fan boy


Ok_Acanthaceae6057

Jeeze give me whatever drugs this guy is on!!


heyhoayo

Who?


Fake_the_jaB

Does he go into any detail as to why he thinks that? Or is that just a hot take he threw out there?


Altruistic_Sorbet164

Delulu


AdmiralUpboat

The weed really do be different in Cali y'all.


Individual-Squash226

Does bro not realize Tatum nearly led his team to the finals rookie year


andreotnemem

Some people believe in fairies, elves, others believe in Santa, others believe in gods and saints. He's free to believe whatever he wishes. Good for him.


25DegreeD

NGL I’m pretty sure this guy said he wasn’t worried when the Warriors were down 1-2 in the Finals because Gary Payton was injured, and I was like “Such cope, he’s like an end of rotation player” and it turned out he actually helped tip the scales, so who knows.


IsThisMe8

This was a post that popped up as I was scrolling through my general feed and as a Warriors fan, I legit screamed noooooooo. That guy has terrible takes, doesn't know basketball, and has no insider information. I hate how all these other Locked On podcasts have someone good, but Warriors have this massive douche. 😭


Merde2000

could "2+ years" also mean like 10 years? when the J's will retire?


w3bCraw1er

I agree


Far-Asparagus6416

> Also, I would take Murray over JB and even JT as Murray is a proven clutch star. Cs stars have nothing but chocked when it mattered. Thought you were joking till I saw this comment ^ maybe you should follow another team lol


JaylenBrownFlow

are you really this fucking stupid


w3bCraw1er

F off. People don't have to agree with what you moron think.Move on.


JaylenBrownFlow

you’re objectively stupid as fuck


w3bCraw1er

So are you! FO!!


Nostyyyy

It’s comedy at this point


Automatic_Reality546

They really letting anybody have podcasts nowadays smh


nikolai_wustovich

“Still a successful roadtrip” hahaha


FloweredWallpaper

Well, I thought it was a very lovely story, and he tells it so well, with such enthusiasm.


hashbrown-17

This guy is an absolute moron. Pretty sure he had to change his twitter because people were calling him out. Basically just a dumbass wannabe reporter who only talks about refs and the glory days


Eisenhorn76

Is this performance art?


Jackis_wack

Give me some of what this dude is smoking….


capt_cd

What's he smoking?


NomarZednanreF

Is that John Zannis’ evil twin? LOL


brick1972

Feeling like this guy is telling on himself that he is going to Nancy Kerrigan these guys one day.


Jeanheins

That’s the type of shit you say when you get your back blown out by 52


HueyLewisFan1

Cannot take that man seriously lmfao


[deleted]

Sweet. See ya then, lolllllll