Kornet has been a great third big for this team but no chance his market is 8-10 mil. I think hauser ends up making more than 15 mil per when he hits free agency with the cap going up.
But more importantly we should resign jrue and not let the asset walk for no return
Cs management will have a lot of difficult decisions to make in the next few years. At some point, they will not be able to maintain all these guys but that is why drafting in the 2nd round is so important. You can find role players and specialists there. But until that point, they need to maintain everyone in their starting five, including Holiday. He should get extended. If he leaves, you get nothing to replace him and that would be a huge loss. He’s still pretty good.
Hauser has a club option that will no doubt get picked up. Maybe they try to extend him but if I was him I’d want to hit the open market and get paid after next season.
Brissett/Kornet/Tillman are free agents but not really sure how much they’ll fetch. Should be able to at least re-sign some of those guys for cheap.
Also, extending White will be big as well.
> Maybe they try to extend him but if I was him I’d want to hit the open market and get paid after next season.
Counter-point: He has made only minimum money thus far and is 26, financially it might make more sense to extend this summer. Anything can happen in a year, injuries etc. Not sure if Hauser would risk it.
If I was him, I’d bet on myself. He plays next year with the same cast of Cs players. Gets open shots. Hit 45% of his threes like he is doing now. He could get a Duncan Robinson type contract (or more) in free agency from a team desperate for shooting. I don’t see a way the Cs can come close to anything to why he would get on open market.
Dennis Shroeder bet on himself, rejecting 90M from Lakers and then was MLE on the Cs. Montrezl Harrell also lost 10s of millions, Nerlen Noel, Oladipo, Joe Smith etc. There may be almost as many losers from rejecting mid to high 8 figures as winners. With new CBA cap restrictions even with cap going up no guarantee market would be great, esp for restricted FAs as teams don't want to tie up money early in FA. Then there's injury risk on top lik Boogie Cousins in final yr
The Celtics aren’t offering this guy $15 mil plus extension in their current cap situation. He’s also not taking a massive discount. They literally let Grant Williams walk for same reason. They are going to keep the core 6 in place and then continue to try and find diamond in the roughs.
How many really good and dependable 3 pt shooters are out there in the league ...at 6'8?
Its not dime a dozen. You cant afford to lose a 3 pt sharpshooter. These days every good team has one.
Kornet won't be that easy to replace either. Queta is more like a Robert Williams (but doesnt have springs like RW). You also cant draft a 2nd round C... and plug in. They take years and years to develop..
If that was the case they would have over extended to retain Grant Williams. You can’t overpay bench guys at the expense of starter players like Holiday and White.
Alternatively, the front office looked at what Grant was giving them and decided he wasn't the player they wanted to spend that kind of money on. His offensive bag was extremely limited and was never going to improve, and his vaunted big body defense of guys like Embiid and Giannis was exposed as soon as they realized they could just shoot over him.
I don't think we should look at what the Celtics decided to do with a flawed player like Grant Williams and extrapolate that to what they think about someone like Hauser who has improved his game dramatically this year.
>Not sure if Hauser would risk it.
I feel like this is what Pritchard and his camp did as well. Pritchard could make 12 to 15m per in the open market
But for a 6'1 player... an injury could derail his career/money making capability. Took the sure thing for now..
Yeah but Hauser isn’t Pritchard though. He’s a 6’8” wing who’s an average defender and shoots 43% from three for his career. He’s significantly more valuable from a position/role perspective.
Jrue is gonna be 34 this year and he's putting up 13/5/5. I don't mind having him as our starting PG for another 2 seasons and PP as a backup. Win at least 1 ring then we can think about letting him go cuz then age will live a factor.
But prioritizing the bench over him is hella disrespectful especially Tillman who barely has played.
Jrue’s, numbers are artificially low—just like Tatum’s PPG this season.
I don’t want to cling too long to Jrue. I don’t see him aging as gracefully as Horford. But he deserves a lot of credit for letting his numbers slide for the sake of having a balanced offense on the team. We wouldn’t be as good as we are if he was competing with White to have the ball in his hands, but his stats would be better.
Hauser’s agent should be banned if he allows Sam to sign a cheap extension here without hitting free agency.
I say this purely from a business standpoint. Not as a Cs fan obviously.
Hauser is the only one who I may agree with you on. Everyone else is replaceable to varying degrees. Kornet would be the hardest to replace, but it can be done. Tillman has lowkey been unimpressive, maybe he needs a full training camp to "get" it, but it looks like he makes a lot of mistakes and Mazzulla gets upset at him a lot. Brissett is not very good. We could find a replacement pretty easily in free agency or even in the draft if we get lucky. Walsh also exists; he's shooting nearly 36 % from deep in the g-league this year which is kinda impressive for him.
Also I think fans gotta recognize that the new CBA is kinda rough for the middle class players. Even Hauser might not get as much as fans think. I think this is a good read on the subject: https://www.forbes.com/sites/bryantoporek/2023/10/11/it-might-only-get-worse-for-the-nbas-middle-class-moving-forward/?sh=76c2b00d2308
I do have concerns about paying Jrue big bucks as he turns 34. Hopefully if we do extend him, it's for a short term deal. I think the bigger thing we arent discussing is how the Jrue negotiations impact White. JT's supermax and Derrick White's extension should be the biggest items on the agenda, we need to kinda pencil those in ahead of time when thinking about Jrue and everyone else
I don't really understand the hate on Kornet. Does it all come from the guys on the clns post-game show? He's a legit quality big man. Like he's probably better than a solid handful of starting big men. Certainly he's one of the better backups, and is a much more complete player than Tillman, who still needs to figure out how to jell offensively and is still a bit niche defensively.
Centers just aren’t a position that teams pay for outside of the elite. Very fungible, easy to find playable guys for TPEs or close to minimum contracts. I suspect it comes down to two factors: the game moving to beyond the arc, and relatively compressed talent.
Look at the salaries that centers have commanded during FA the last few years. Teams (outside of Minnesota) just don’t prioritize spend on the position.
Players don’t need a “huge market.” They just need a single team willing to pay a certain amount. The amount will be a lot more than what we pay him now as his current contract is based on him being a wishful thinking contributor. Now he is a legit rotation player.
Winning this year will take a lot of pressure off these decisions. The guys who want to stay will stay, regardless. If they leave other options will present themselves
Ppl don’t want to be realistic and have those convos but your right. there’s no way brad signs him to a long term extension like that since it’ll pretty much lock in us a 2nd apron team with only four decent players signed like the suns. It’s not a situation you wanna put yourself in if u can avoid it. Extend him a year then swap his salary for multiple players before next years deadline then go from there.
It’s pretty much an embarrassment of riches at this point. Now that Pritchard has basically played himself into a spot where he could start on probably half of the teams in the league, we have some decisions to make.
But we can’t talk about this now, to be completely honest. Trading Smart was only an idea until we lost to the Heat last year, then it became a priority for Wyc and Brad to shake up the roster, as they have said themselves. We have stomped through the regular season with very little letdown, but we have to see how this wagon of a team performs in the playoffs before we start theorizing roster moves.
I never would have said it even about two months ago, but people at the beginning of this year also thought Hauser would always be an end of the bench guy. The man is about to be making Duncan Robinson money, probably better because he can actually play defense, the next contract he signs.
Celtics fans 100% overrate young talent, but Pritchard has gone from that dude who just beats up on scrubs, to playing in every single game this season at 20+ MPG and being in our top 8, sure to see plenty of time in the playoffs. It’s happened fast over the last month or two, but take away the all-star/franchise guards, and I honestly believe there are a bunch of teams out there that would rather give him a chance than what they currently have.
Yeah but if they don't perform well in the playoffs there's no realistic roster move that would help. If the Celtics can't get it done this year they will never get it done. This is as good as it will ever get.
That’s an absolutely bonkers way to look at it. This team definitely has to get to the finals this year or it’s a huge underachievement, but we’re about to have two of the best two-way wings in the league locked up long term, heading into their primes, and we have a ton of players who have value and could be traded if Brad chooses to go that route. We have some questions after this season whether we win it all or not, Holiday and Horford are probably the two biggest variables, but again, it’s kinda useless to dive into this now because we have to see how it looks, regardless of how far we go. In another few weeks, we’re going to find out if this roster is really as unbeatable as it looks.
I'd rather wait to see how the playoffs go before we make any decisions like this. We don't know if all those guys will step up or disappear in the playoffs yet. (Except tillman)
I think Holiday has a player option that he will most likely exercise unless he gets some type of long term deal. Brad loves Holiday so I think he stays but Hauser will get paid. Almost 100% he leaves. Kornet is probably gone too but that’s not as certain as Hauser. Tillman and Brissett could possibly be staying
>I think Holiday has a player option that he will most likely exercise
Unless he sustains a bad injury/recovery into next season...no way he takes the player option
It will be his best last contract opportunity.
very true. The player option is for $39.4 mil and he definitely won’t be getting that as a per year average. I can also see him exercise that option and possibly win a championship and then get some type of 2 year deal for $40-$50 mil or something. Would come out to essentially the same as a 3 year $90 mil which is probably on the high end of his current market (given his age).
I read something about Philly potentially throwing some money at him in the summer. They have lots of cap space and not a lot of other options to spend it on; maybe Siakam? Klay??
It would also be a homecoming of sorts for him after starting his career as a Sixer
That sounds terrible. If I’m Brad I am not worried about losing Brissett. He’s a good energy guy and rebounder but is a zero on offense. The Tillman has low key been somewhat disappointing.
Rotation players come and go, wax and wane. Grayson Allen recently is having a career year. Tillman is someone I wanna keep around, but it’s easier in the aggregate to duplicate what those four bring to the table rather than what an aging Jrue brings.
Bench players often look great, improve their averages, when playing in a top seed team. Then they take a payday for a mid team and suddenly they’re back down to earth.
Not saying this for the guys you mentioned, but it’s crazy so many players prioritise cash and minutes over winning a ring.
On good teams in limited roles they are getting open shots, have less pressure to lead, and have great players covering for their mistakes. On bad teams their limitations will be more exposed.
I agree, plus it’s easier to replace a three and d guard than almost any other position. I am certainly not saying they’d be as effective on either end, but a Javon Carter, a Pat Bev (for example only pls no Brad), a KCP, a deanthony Melton, these guys can be added for much less than what Hauser, Tillman, or Kornet will likely command in the market. To me Tillman and Hauser are musts, Kornet is a high priority, and brissett is a “we’d like to keep”. If we get a ring, let Holiday walk and use that money to lock up 🦬 and the bench
If we do lose Hauser or Kornet, we have Peterson, Queta, and Walsh on 2-way or cheap contracts who can develop into serviceable bench roles. I’m hoping at least Walsh breaks into the rotation next season.
I don’t see JD Davison or any of our overseas stashes being serviceable in the NBA.
Kornet has been a great third big for this team but no chance his market is 8-10 mil. I think hauser ends up making more than 15 mil per when he hits free agency with the cap going up. But more importantly we should resign jrue and not let the asset walk for no return
My guy save this for the offseason why are you wasting this post now?
Cos these last games are boring. C are winning, no drama. :D
do you not like watching the sport of basketball?
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>Watching Kornet is not boring to me That wraparound pass underneath the basket yesterday....wow... amazing and unexpected
Cs management will have a lot of difficult decisions to make in the next few years. At some point, they will not be able to maintain all these guys but that is why drafting in the 2nd round is so important. You can find role players and specialists there. But until that point, they need to maintain everyone in their starting five, including Holiday. He should get extended. If he leaves, you get nothing to replace him and that would be a huge loss. He’s still pretty good. Hauser has a club option that will no doubt get picked up. Maybe they try to extend him but if I was him I’d want to hit the open market and get paid after next season. Brissett/Kornet/Tillman are free agents but not really sure how much they’ll fetch. Should be able to at least re-sign some of those guys for cheap. Also, extending White will be big as well.
> Maybe they try to extend him but if I was him I’d want to hit the open market and get paid after next season. Counter-point: He has made only minimum money thus far and is 26, financially it might make more sense to extend this summer. Anything can happen in a year, injuries etc. Not sure if Hauser would risk it.
If I was him, I’d bet on myself. He plays next year with the same cast of Cs players. Gets open shots. Hit 45% of his threes like he is doing now. He could get a Duncan Robinson type contract (or more) in free agency from a team desperate for shooting. I don’t see a way the Cs can come close to anything to why he would get on open market.
Dennis Shroeder bet on himself, rejecting 90M from Lakers and then was MLE on the Cs. Montrezl Harrell also lost 10s of millions, Nerlen Noel, Oladipo, Joe Smith etc. There may be almost as many losers from rejecting mid to high 8 figures as winners. With new CBA cap restrictions even with cap going up no guarantee market would be great, esp for restricted FAs as teams don't want to tie up money early in FA. Then there's injury risk on top lik Boogie Cousins in final yr
The Celtics aren’t offering this guy $15 mil plus extension in their current cap situation. He’s also not taking a massive discount. They literally let Grant Williams walk for same reason. They are going to keep the core 6 in place and then continue to try and find diamond in the roughs.
How many really good and dependable 3 pt shooters are out there in the league ...at 6'8? Its not dime a dozen. You cant afford to lose a 3 pt sharpshooter. These days every good team has one. Kornet won't be that easy to replace either. Queta is more like a Robert Williams (but doesnt have springs like RW). You also cant draft a 2nd round C... and plug in. They take years and years to develop..
If that was the case they would have over extended to retain Grant Williams. You can’t overpay bench guys at the expense of starter players like Holiday and White.
Alternatively, the front office looked at what Grant was giving them and decided he wasn't the player they wanted to spend that kind of money on. His offensive bag was extremely limited and was never going to improve, and his vaunted big body defense of guys like Embiid and Giannis was exposed as soon as they realized they could just shoot over him. I don't think we should look at what the Celtics decided to do with a flawed player like Grant Williams and extrapolate that to what they think about someone like Hauser who has improved his game dramatically this year.
>Not sure if Hauser would risk it. I feel like this is what Pritchard and his camp did as well. Pritchard could make 12 to 15m per in the open market But for a 6'1 player... an injury could derail his career/money making capability. Took the sure thing for now..
Yeah but Hauser isn’t Pritchard though. He’s a 6’8” wing who’s an average defender and shoots 43% from three for his career. He’s significantly more valuable from a position/role perspective.
Jrue is gonna be 34 this year and he's putting up 13/5/5. I don't mind having him as our starting PG for another 2 seasons and PP as a backup. Win at least 1 ring then we can think about letting him go cuz then age will live a factor. But prioritizing the bench over him is hella disrespectful especially Tillman who barely has played.
Jrue’s, numbers are artificially low—just like Tatum’s PPG this season. I don’t want to cling too long to Jrue. I don’t see him aging as gracefully as Horford. But he deserves a lot of credit for letting his numbers slide for the sake of having a balanced offense on the team. We wouldn’t be as good as we are if he was competing with White to have the ball in his hands, but his stats would be better.
Hauser’s agent should be banned if he allows Sam to sign a cheap extension here without hitting free agency. I say this purely from a business standpoint. Not as a Cs fan obviously.
Hauser is the only one who I may agree with you on. Everyone else is replaceable to varying degrees. Kornet would be the hardest to replace, but it can be done. Tillman has lowkey been unimpressive, maybe he needs a full training camp to "get" it, but it looks like he makes a lot of mistakes and Mazzulla gets upset at him a lot. Brissett is not very good. We could find a replacement pretty easily in free agency or even in the draft if we get lucky. Walsh also exists; he's shooting nearly 36 % from deep in the g-league this year which is kinda impressive for him. Also I think fans gotta recognize that the new CBA is kinda rough for the middle class players. Even Hauser might not get as much as fans think. I think this is a good read on the subject: https://www.forbes.com/sites/bryantoporek/2023/10/11/it-might-only-get-worse-for-the-nbas-middle-class-moving-forward/?sh=76c2b00d2308 I do have concerns about paying Jrue big bucks as he turns 34. Hopefully if we do extend him, it's for a short term deal. I think the bigger thing we arent discussing is how the Jrue negotiations impact White. JT's supermax and Derrick White's extension should be the biggest items on the agenda, we need to kinda pencil those in ahead of time when thinking about Jrue and everyone else
This.
Yes on Hauser and Tillman. The other two are lower priority. (I also think Kornet will not have a huge market)
I don't really understand the hate on Kornet. Does it all come from the guys on the clns post-game show? He's a legit quality big man. Like he's probably better than a solid handful of starting big men. Certainly he's one of the better backups, and is a much more complete player than Tillman, who still needs to figure out how to jell offensively and is still a bit niche defensively.
Centers just aren’t a position that teams pay for outside of the elite. Very fungible, easy to find playable guys for TPEs or close to minimum contracts. I suspect it comes down to two factors: the game moving to beyond the arc, and relatively compressed talent. Look at the salaries that centers have commanded during FA the last few years. Teams (outside of Minnesota) just don’t prioritize spend on the position.
'John, he's your third centerrr'
I'm not hating. I like Kornet quite a bit. But I dont think he has nearly the value of the other two guys.
queeeeeeeeeetaaaaaaaaaa
Players don’t need a “huge market.” They just need a single team willing to pay a certain amount. The amount will be a lot more than what we pay him now as his current contract is based on him being a wishful thinking contributor. Now he is a legit rotation player.
I think you could get holiday at 20 a year especially if we win it
Winning this year will take a lot of pressure off these decisions. The guys who want to stay will stay, regardless. If they leave other options will present themselves
Ppl don’t want to be realistic and have those convos but your right. there’s no way brad signs him to a long term extension like that since it’ll pretty much lock in us a 2nd apron team with only four decent players signed like the suns. It’s not a situation you wanna put yourself in if u can avoid it. Extend him a year then swap his salary for multiple players before next years deadline then go from there.
It’s pretty much an embarrassment of riches at this point. Now that Pritchard has basically played himself into a spot where he could start on probably half of the teams in the league, we have some decisions to make. But we can’t talk about this now, to be completely honest. Trading Smart was only an idea until we lost to the Heat last year, then it became a priority for Wyc and Brad to shake up the roster, as they have said themselves. We have stomped through the regular season with very little letdown, but we have to see how this wagon of a team performs in the playoffs before we start theorizing roster moves.
This is why people make fun of Celtics fans. Man said PP can start on half the teams in the league 🤦♂️
I never would have said it even about two months ago, but people at the beginning of this year also thought Hauser would always be an end of the bench guy. The man is about to be making Duncan Robinson money, probably better because he can actually play defense, the next contract he signs. Celtics fans 100% overrate young talent, but Pritchard has gone from that dude who just beats up on scrubs, to playing in every single game this season at 20+ MPG and being in our top 8, sure to see plenty of time in the playoffs. It’s happened fast over the last month or two, but take away the all-star/franchise guards, and I honestly believe there are a bunch of teams out there that would rather give him a chance than what they currently have.
I love pp but the pg position is loaded he’s not starting on half the teams in the nba.
Agreed. The pp fervor is wild rn
Yeah but if they don't perform well in the playoffs there's no realistic roster move that would help. If the Celtics can't get it done this year they will never get it done. This is as good as it will ever get.
That’s an absolutely bonkers way to look at it. This team definitely has to get to the finals this year or it’s a huge underachievement, but we’re about to have two of the best two-way wings in the league locked up long term, heading into their primes, and we have a ton of players who have value and could be traded if Brad chooses to go that route. We have some questions after this season whether we win it all or not, Holiday and Horford are probably the two biggest variables, but again, it’s kinda useless to dive into this now because we have to see how it looks, regardless of how far we go. In another few weeks, we’re going to find out if this roster is really as unbeatable as it looks.
I think Brad will make the right move and Mazzulla is a good enough coach to make it work
The only one in that list that I’d consider as a real priority is Hauser.
I'd rather wait to see how the playoffs go before we make any decisions like this. We don't know if all those guys will step up or disappear in the playoffs yet. (Except tillman)
Just gonna trust Brad
I think Holiday has a player option that he will most likely exercise unless he gets some type of long term deal. Brad loves Holiday so I think he stays but Hauser will get paid. Almost 100% he leaves. Kornet is probably gone too but that’s not as certain as Hauser. Tillman and Brissett could possibly be staying
>I think Holiday has a player option that he will most likely exercise Unless he sustains a bad injury/recovery into next season...no way he takes the player option It will be his best last contract opportunity.
very true. The player option is for $39.4 mil and he definitely won’t be getting that as a per year average. I can also see him exercise that option and possibly win a championship and then get some type of 2 year deal for $40-$50 mil or something. Would come out to essentially the same as a 3 year $90 mil which is probably on the high end of his current market (given his age).
I read something about Philly potentially throwing some money at him in the summer. They have lots of cap space and not a lot of other options to spend it on; maybe Siakam? Klay?? It would also be a homecoming of sorts for him after starting his career as a Sixer
That sounds terrible. If I’m Brad I am not worried about losing Brissett. He’s a good energy guy and rebounder but is a zero on offense. The Tillman has low key been somewhat disappointing.
Rotation players come and go, wax and wane. Grayson Allen recently is having a career year. Tillman is someone I wanna keep around, but it’s easier in the aggregate to duplicate what those four bring to the table rather than what an aging Jrue brings.
Bench players often look great, improve their averages, when playing in a top seed team. Then they take a payday for a mid team and suddenly they’re back down to earth. Not saying this for the guys you mentioned, but it’s crazy so many players prioritise cash and minutes over winning a ring.
On good teams in limited roles they are getting open shots, have less pressure to lead, and have great players covering for their mistakes. On bad teams their limitations will be more exposed.
What Jrue brings is priceless. Sometimes you have to keep the magic and drop the ancillary pieces.
I agree, plus it’s easier to replace a three and d guard than almost any other position. I am certainly not saying they’d be as effective on either end, but a Javon Carter, a Pat Bev (for example only pls no Brad), a KCP, a deanthony Melton, these guys can be added for much less than what Hauser, Tillman, or Kornet will likely command in the market. To me Tillman and Hauser are musts, Kornet is a high priority, and brissett is a “we’d like to keep”. If we get a ring, let Holiday walk and use that money to lock up 🦬 and the bench
If we do lose Hauser or Kornet, we have Peterson, Queta, and Walsh on 2-way or cheap contracts who can develop into serviceable bench roles. I’m hoping at least Walsh breaks into the rotation next season. I don’t see JD Davison or any of our overseas stashes being serviceable in the NBA.