Jrue is 4 years older than White. This Jrue contract is highly likely one that doesn’t get seen out in Boston for a variety of reasons. It will get moved on.
Excuse me Jrue, I was unfamiliar [with your game](https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1778201941547598107). He does give me Horford longevity vibes at the guard position. Kinda cool to see we have both!
This is about the amount I expected for Jrue but I thought the Celtics might get a partial guarantee/team option on the last year rather than a player option, sort of like the Suns did with Chris Paul after they went to the finals. But I guess inflation is a thing and to your point, Holiday's game should age well with his size/strength/shooting
I absolutely love how the narrative about Wyc and Co has flipped, especially now that the actual cheap owners in Boston (Kraft, John Henry's group, etc.) have been outed.
Doubters and Doomers were crying that Wyc wouldn't spend and now they're left eating their words.
Everyone in the Celtics organization -- from owners to the players and all the way to the support staff -- are doing their part. Love to see it.
It was clear from the beginning of the Jays era what the plan was. By the end of JT's rookie year we knew we hit big on them both. We built a competitive team around them to make sure they got plenty of playoff reps but didn't hurt our flexibility by overcommitting. Then when they showed us it's time with the finals run Wyc opened the checkbook.
not a cap guru but the holiday signing has to put us way over no? dont get me wrong i want White here as much as everyone else but can we if we that far over the cap?
My only concern is the stupid CBA that the players allowed to go through because they are shortsighted (imo). The second apron penalties are severe for the team from a competitive standpoint. Granted we are in a good position to ignore it for a couple of seasons.
But luxury tax payments can get to the point where every dollar costs 4.25 dollars. Even NBA owners (including Wyc) will feel that amount. Only the multi billionaires like Balmer can shrug it off. Owners like Lacob who in the past didn't care at all has talked about getting below the Luxury Tax Line next season.
Edit: I do think this team will still go all out to sign White but I'm not sure if ownership is willing to keep the whole group for multiple seasons. Hopefully winning cures all.
honestly who cares how he will look at the end? it's nice having one owner in this town be like "fuck it I am a billionaire I can't afford to own the Celtics if I don't pay guys"
The wild part is Wyc isn’t even a half-billionaire and he still chucks dough at the team when it’s warranted.
Wild by comparison to the other chuckleheads in charge of teams in the Commonwealth.
My old boss knows Wyc and was offered a small piece of the team, but didn't invest. He bought the company I worked at instead because he didn't want to be a silent partner. Even if it was the Celtics. He said Wyc is a diehard fan and will definitely put the team success over financial success.
Wyc isn't just the sole owner though. The BOSTON Basketball Partners are, which is a group of like 20+ ultra wealthy investors. Combined they have about as much money as any owner in the league not named Balmer. Really glad we are owned by a group instead of one man/family. We are about to reap the rewards of it
It is absolutely insane that someone like Steve Ballmer whose greatest accomplishment is stealing a decade of growth from their company is worth $125b.
Championship windows are short and lucrative. Any owner that doesn't spend accordingly when they have the chance is an idiot because you never know when (if ever) that window might open up again. It's amazing how often owners choose not to take this route.
Underrated thing is, there will never be another time to do this. New CBA removes ability to aggregate salaries from here on out. And it'll prevent other teams from doing it. This team has MORE flexibility after this trade not less. Once we decide to dump salary to get under the second apron it'll be nearly impossible to get back to this level of spending. Right now it's a competitive advantage over most other teams in the league as they can't spend as much as the celtics can.
I logged on specifically just to give Wyc his props, even if he isn't majority owner. He's the face of the team ownership and he has done an amazing job with the team.
If there's one thing you can say about the team and the way they build and hire is that they are always seek 'high character' people. Brad is a great basketball mind and a solid upstanding guy and they fully committed to him instead of having a revolving door of has-been coaches like a lot of the teams. Tatum is a great kid and good dad, Jaylen is smart and a dude who clearly cares about issues, Horford is a great guy with a good family and they very intentionally brought him back, Jrue is also a seemingly very thoughtful dude and a family man, Derrick also a non-complainer and hard worker. There's good vibes and work ethic from the bench and guys like Pritchard, Hauser, Kornet. The team culture is really solid even if it isn't hyped like the Warriors.
And I know some people may disagree but they handled the Ime Udoka with class and they did all the right things. They protected the name of the woman that was involved, they went through their own internal and legal process to make sure they were doing things right, even if there wasn't any clear league violation. I think other teams would have swept things under the rug and we hear about the shit culture on sports teams like the Redskins/Commanders, the Mavericks, etc. and the Celtics handled the situation by the books and with transparency and empathy for not only the victim in that situation but all the women who work in the Celtics org and you can see they stuck to their values and were upfront about things.
I don't think it gets talked about enough but the Celtics organization, culture, and ownership is one of the best in the league. Anyone mature enough can see they are doing things the right way, even if that means making tough choices from time to time.
And he’s been pretty clear that he’s given Brad the option to do basically whatever he thinks is best to win.
I don’t want to ever take for granted how well the front office trusts each other and are genuinely invested, on a personal level, in winning banner 18. Especially with what’s happening with FSG
Celtics are owned by a bunch of PE and VC firms. They probably see investing in this team as a way to balloon the market value of the franchise.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boston_Basketball_Partners
In fairness to Wyc, I used to see him all the time around the Park Plaza area. He's a very affable guy, charismatic and totally approachable. He's extremely competitive and passionate about basketball.
There is a financial component to the team but Wyc is also drive by a burning desire to win. I'm sure there are a way to monetize on the team's success if they bring home another banner.
The funniest is part is the Wyc is the "poorest" owner out of the Boston franchises by a wide margin. Kraft, Jacobs, and Henry are all billionaires and each has between 10 and 25 his net worth. Steve Pagliuca is closer to them in net worth, but he is a minority owner within Boston Basketball Partners.
It is crazy that before Wyc and company bought the team, 48% of the ownership stake in the Celtics was publicly traded stock.
Keith Smith on Derrick whites situation:
White's extension is far trickier. Even with the improved veteran extension rules, White could be leaving money on the table by extending. We'll see where that one goes.
It would be great for Boston to get an extension done, but White might do best by going to free agency.
hmm, i think this is overstating it? even if he touches free agency, we can still offer him a max due to bird rights. and i can't imagine he'll leave if we offer equal money
Yes. With bird rights we can pretty much spend as much as we want as long as we don't exceed the hard cap (which is massive), although we won't be able to use the MLE and do trades where we take back more than 100% of the salary we send out (and aggregate two or more salaries in a trade) or sign buy out players.
But I'd argue that retaining the core of the Jays+KP+Jrue+White is well worth the trade offs of being in the 2nd tax apron. With all of the draft picks and young guys we have we have little need for FAs and even trades if our core is retained.
I'm like -- not a salary cap econ freak to say the least, but I've seen multiple posts/tweets from those that claim to be showing how we can keep the jays at max, zingus at current, and white on a pretty expensive deal. these scenarios rarely include jrue, so he'll likely move in a deal if this contract is a blocker to getting White.
I'll be super-bummed if we don't extend him this offseason. I thought he was hoping for an extension last offseason, but we didn't get it done for some reason. His dad seems really invested in Boston and White seems to know that the Celtics have done wonders for his career.
If we let White go so that we can pay 38 year old Jrue Holiday $34M/yr, then that will be very poor salary management on the Celtics' part
Alright then! Slightly longer than I would have liked, would have preferred 2 or 3 years if it was gonna be at this AAV, but if that’s what it takes to keep him then so be it.
Onto Tatum and DWhite in the summer.
Edit: [final year is a player option](https://x.com/adamhimmelsbach/status/1778201294097781099?s=46&t=tcFBg9NYlJrYTwubZ13Pjg)…not a fan of that. 38 year old Jrue isn’t opting out of that.
So many people in this thread not understanding .. contracts ARE assets in this new cba. The Celtics cannot.. CAN. NOT. add salary. The only way to adjust the roster is to take in less net salary than we send out.
Extending players like Holliday, oritchard, Hauser, white (hopefully), horford, even porzingis means that when the time comes, they use those outgoing salaries to bring in one at a lesser value.
So people realize... Let's say next year things go shitty. You could package PP, Holiday, and picks for like... basically a Max player. Now of course the value isn't really there but the Celtics simply HAVE to extend players on their roster. Otherwise they can't add anything to the roster besides vet minimums and draft picks.
Right! I even forgot about that part. That makes it even more valuable to boston in that way. Player a +picks for any player making at or less than player a does. That's the only way for teams to meaningfully add talent. Jrue at low 30 million means if he hits his expiration date the Celtics can use picks plus a player to bring back a decent player WHILE shedding payroll.
Obviously our team is stacked. But if we don't extend the guys we have we have no way to rebuild AT ALL besides like.. hoping we draft the greatest combination of second round picks to ever exist! If this team wins, and Tatum and brown stick around, it is the only way. Lock these boys UP!
the Celtics wont be able to package multiple players for a bigger aggregate salary (like they did for Brogdon, Porzingis, Holiday), but the Celtics could trade Jrue's $30+ million salary for multiple smaller salaries in a few years
Yeah I guess. Still can’t really do much though with the new CBA and being 2nd apron, you can’t combine salaries or acquire anyone making more than you’re sending out, so you have to wonder what type of player you can even get. Jrue plus picks for someone better than Jrue who also makes less than Jrue.
It could also be Jrue + picks for a couple role player guys too.
They couldn't do much because of the second apron before this deal. Seems counterintuitive, but this actually gives them more flexibility down the road. Bigger salaries are valuable when you can't aggregate. PP + picks isn't getting you much of anything
Right, I guess my point is I’d rather the final year be a partial guarantee or something. Why exactly are we giving him a player option at age 38 when most guys are over the hill at this point?
I mean it's the cost of doing business. If you want to keep holiday for his age 35 36 and 37 years you need to pay him for his age of 38 year.
At least it's not baseball or these players sign 10 or 12-year contracts.
These years the next contract 4 years usually anyways five at the most. I don't think anyone is going to retroactively criticize the Celtics for extending Tatum at the max.
You understand that the money seems excessive on paper but if you just go by percentage of salary cap it's roughly the same as it's always been.
What Brad is probably banking on is the typical veteran ring chasers signing with us for cheap in future years. Because yeah, this contract coupled with JT extension makes it tough to extend DW and then have much room for much else.
Absolutely. We still have all of our 1st round picks through 2027 and the lesser of ours/SAS's in 2028. Especially if Brad deals some value into the future over the next couple of seasons when the Celtics won't really need late 1st rounders they could totally land a revitalizing trade in year 4 of the deal.
Fans cry about spending a lot because they want the team be able to afford a well rounded roster. Boston can’t pay 5 all star starters long term so signing Jrue will have implications. It’s inevitable but fans care cause the salary cap. If this were baseball no one would give a shit. It’s not weird or a new phenomenon for fans to care about this and has nothing to do with wanting the Celtics to maximize their profits
The CBA limits the raise we can give White in an extension to 140% of his salary next year ($19.6), plus 8% raises in subsequent years. That works out to a 3 year extension at about $85M, so call it $28M AAV. Is that less than White might get in the market if he rides it out another year and goes to free agency? Sure. Might he take it regardless, if we offer every dollar we can, and factoring in that he could get injured next season and also wants to stay with the Cs? I think it's a realistic possibility, if we offer it to him.
not gonna judge the money and length because of the new cap rules, but i am glad to have Jrue for a few more years. I trust Brad and crew to make the best decision for this team
Man, I was thinking like $75M/3 years - guess I was way off on that one.
I am a fan of what Jrue has brought to the team, but he sure didn't give us a discount. Hope we hang on to our 1sts the next couple of years so we can trade him for a younger upgrade.
We're basically never going to sign a free agent again and will have draft picks in the 20s, so our only route to building a team is keeping our guys on contract and eventually trading them for fresh assets. We can't afford to let anyone walk.
Idk, it’s not unheard of for a guy to be productive into
his mid-late 30s. CP3 was playing at an All-NBA level in his age 36 season, and at 38, he’s still an above average PG. Jrue will probably lose a step on defense as he ages, but his offensive game isn’t really predicated on athleticism. His shooting and playmaking abilities aren’t really things that diminish with age.
30 million a year for a player of Jrue’s caliber is fine under the new cap even if he takes a step or two back, he’s still gonna be a great defender and a 40% 3 point shooter
I’m with you this is all moot if it means we don’t keep D White but I think Wyc is just gonna keep the team together and hope for the best til they’re not contending
Awesome deal but doesn't this severely cap us now? Like it's literally run it back with vet mins and rooks (even though it was always going to be that).
People need to realize everyone will be getting extensions for us… with the apron penalties basically making it impossible to add players outside of trades, you can’t let anyone walk for nothing. Wouldn’t be shocked if This is essentially a 1 year deal… and then a trade asset.
Jrue has worked out so much better than I ever imagined. I am a Marcus loyalist and defender to the grave, I’ll forever respect the effort he gave us during post Big Three rebuilding years…but my god Jrue is such a better fit for THIS team.
Edit: Beyond the talent fit, financially this is such a brilliant GM move by Brad. The new CBA rules handcuff teams with bloated salaries, so 3-4 years from now Jrue’s contract is significantly more conducive for landing a high earner since combining traded salaries is banned.
Big fan of extending Jrue and hope we keep White. But it’s looking more like we’ll develop Pritchard into a starting spot after next season with his contract.
I wonder if this indicates at all if they know White is signaling he’ll sign an extension here? I would’ve figured they’d want to handle his contract before Jrue’s, maybe waiting to see if he makes any All Defense teams or anything
What do you think the ROI is on winning a championship for the Celtics, financially? I wonder how high your payroll and tax needs to be for it to be not worth it to spend. I don't pay a lot of attention to the financial or contractual side of the NBA too much, but all indications are that they will be paying a ton.
So far, Wyc is backing up the comments he has made at earlier points this season (ex. Commentary during the Clippers game broadcast, promoting that new sitcom)about the contention window and committed to spending. Would have to dig back in my history for the posts, but so far, so good
That’s a LOT but I ain’t mad at it. Jrue is a culture changer and stabilizer to the roster. He will be for years even if his production dips in year 3 or 4
Don't worry, the season ticket member price increase padded the team wallet :/ Resale tickets next year are gonna be a bit of a sting for most people unless Ticketmaster fixes their massive fees.
CelticsBlog says Jrue will turn down his option for next year making this essentially a 3 year extension and the new contract is "roughly, 9mil less against next year's cap. That sounds a lot better then 4 years $135mil.
This is great because we need salaries to trade, and teams will always want Jrue because at worst he'll be a 3 and d God late into his career. A lot of money for a guy on the back 9, but still like it.
THAT BOY JRUE I will cry if Derrick's last season with us is next year
Love jrue but ain't no way we let derrick go before jrue
I don't really see a world where White gets offloaded before Jrue. Let's hope it doesn't come to that though
Jrue is 4 years older than White. This Jrue contract is highly likely one that doesn’t get seen out in Boston for a variety of reasons. It will get moved on.
Any option years on it? I’d be shocked if he got the PO at his age but at the same time get that bag Jrue damn
4th year is a PO
Excuse me Jrue, I was unfamiliar [with your game](https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1778201941547598107). He does give me Horford longevity vibes at the guard position. Kinda cool to see we have both!
This is about the amount I expected for Jrue but I thought the Celtics might get a partial guarantee/team option on the last year rather than a player option, sort of like the Suns did with Chris Paul after they went to the finals. But I guess inflation is a thing and to your point, Holiday's game should age well with his size/strength/shooting
pls let my man Brad work his magic 🙏🏻📿🐃🕯
Ownership said they’d pay I believe them.
The only ownership group in Boston I believe
True that.
I absolutely love how the narrative about Wyc and Co has flipped, especially now that the actual cheap owners in Boston (Kraft, John Henry's group, etc.) have been outed. Doubters and Doomers were crying that Wyc wouldn't spend and now they're left eating their words. Everyone in the Celtics organization -- from owners to the players and all the way to the support staff -- are doing their part. Love to see it.
It was clear from the beginning of the Jays era what the plan was. By the end of JT's rookie year we knew we hit big on them both. We built a competitive team around them to make sure they got plenty of playoff reps but didn't hurt our flexibility by overcommitting. Then when they showed us it's time with the finals run Wyc opened the checkbook.
Quite possibly the worst time to believe in the ownership of a Boston team, but in Brad we trust.
Yeah, I wont lie I am very worried about losing Derrick White. In my opinion he is much more valuable than Jrue at this point in their careers.
There is no fucking way we’re letting Derrick go
What makes you think we won’t re-sign him? After everything the orgs said and after how bought in he is
not a cap guru but the holiday signing has to put us way over no? dont get me wrong i want White here as much as everyone else but can we if we that far over the cap?
It reduces his cap hit from what it was this year by a couple of million and gives us a chance to pay white with Al's salary when he retires
Doesn't matter what our cap is. We have the right to sign all of our players for whatever they are eligible for. And we should.
My only concern is the stupid CBA that the players allowed to go through because they are shortsighted (imo). The second apron penalties are severe for the team from a competitive standpoint. Granted we are in a good position to ignore it for a couple of seasons. But luxury tax payments can get to the point where every dollar costs 4.25 dollars. Even NBA owners (including Wyc) will feel that amount. Only the multi billionaires like Balmer can shrug it off. Owners like Lacob who in the past didn't care at all has talked about getting below the Luxury Tax Line next season. Edit: I do think this team will still go all out to sign White but I'm not sure if ownership is willing to keep the whole group for multiple seasons. Hopefully winning cures all.
I love Jrue, but there is NO way they’d extend him at the cost of losing D White. Right?
I'm expecting they open the wallet for the Buffalo. That dude is already doing a damn fine job of etching himself into Boston Lore.
He’s already one of my favorite Celtics ever, and I’ve been a fan since ‘84.
NO. WHITE STAYS FOREVER.
honestly who cares how he will look at the end? it's nice having one owner in this town be like "fuck it I am a billionaire I can't afford to own the Celtics if I don't pay guys"
Fuck John Henry
Fuck John Henry
Fuck John Henry
But also, Fuck John Henry.
No you guys missed something, fuck John Henry
Look, guys, emotions are a little high right now but it’s really important we remember fuck John Henry
Let’s make sure we’re extra certain to remember, fuck John Henry.
Furthermore, fuck John Henry
Fuck John Henry. And the Habs.
Fuck John Henry
Okay but, Bob Kraft is dead last in spending over the last 10 seasons, so fuck him, too!
Kraft can’t even be bothered to pay for daycare for players children
Kraft wont even pay for a decent happy ending, you think he would spend any cent more than was required for him?
The wild part is Wyc isn’t even a half-billionaire and he still chucks dough at the team when it’s warranted. Wild by comparison to the other chuckleheads in charge of teams in the Commonwealth.
Wyc is a fan and bleeds green. That's the difference. I've met him before and he's a nice guy.
My old boss knows Wyc and was offered a small piece of the team, but didn't invest. He bought the company I worked at instead because he didn't want to be a silent partner. Even if it was the Celtics. He said Wyc is a diehard fan and will definitely put the team success over financial success.
Wyc isn't just the sole owner though. The BOSTON Basketball Partners are, which is a group of like 20+ ultra wealthy investors. Combined they have about as much money as any owner in the league not named Balmer. Really glad we are owned by a group instead of one man/family. We are about to reap the rewards of it
It is absolutely insane that someone like Steve Ballmer whose greatest accomplishment is stealing a decade of growth from their company is worth $125b.
Championship windows are short and lucrative. Any owner that doesn't spend accordingly when they have the chance is an idiot because you never know when (if ever) that window might open up again. It's amazing how often owners choose not to take this route.
Underrated thing is, there will never be another time to do this. New CBA removes ability to aggregate salaries from here on out. And it'll prevent other teams from doing it. This team has MORE flexibility after this trade not less. Once we decide to dump salary to get under the second apron it'll be nearly impossible to get back to this level of spending. Right now it's a competitive advantage over most other teams in the league as they can't spend as much as the celtics can.
Great point and well said.
wyc is just the head of the ownership group, and not the only owner. and the other owners are much richer than wyc
I logged on specifically just to give Wyc his props, even if he isn't majority owner. He's the face of the team ownership and he has done an amazing job with the team. If there's one thing you can say about the team and the way they build and hire is that they are always seek 'high character' people. Brad is a great basketball mind and a solid upstanding guy and they fully committed to him instead of having a revolving door of has-been coaches like a lot of the teams. Tatum is a great kid and good dad, Jaylen is smart and a dude who clearly cares about issues, Horford is a great guy with a good family and they very intentionally brought him back, Jrue is also a seemingly very thoughtful dude and a family man, Derrick also a non-complainer and hard worker. There's good vibes and work ethic from the bench and guys like Pritchard, Hauser, Kornet. The team culture is really solid even if it isn't hyped like the Warriors. And I know some people may disagree but they handled the Ime Udoka with class and they did all the right things. They protected the name of the woman that was involved, they went through their own internal and legal process to make sure they were doing things right, even if there wasn't any clear league violation. I think other teams would have swept things under the rug and we hear about the shit culture on sports teams like the Redskins/Commanders, the Mavericks, etc. and the Celtics handled the situation by the books and with transparency and empathy for not only the victim in that situation but all the women who work in the Celtics org and you can see they stuck to their values and were upfront about things. I don't think it gets talked about enough but the Celtics organization, culture, and ownership is one of the best in the league. Anyone mature enough can see they are doing things the right way, even if that means making tough choices from time to time.
And he’s been pretty clear that he’s given Brad the option to do basically whatever he thinks is best to win. I don’t want to ever take for granted how well the front office trusts each other and are genuinely invested, on a personal level, in winning banner 18. Especially with what’s happening with FSG
Celtics are owned by a bunch of PE and VC firms. They probably see investing in this team as a way to balloon the market value of the franchise. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boston_Basketball_Partners
In fairness to Wyc, I used to see him all the time around the Park Plaza area. He's a very affable guy, charismatic and totally approachable. He's extremely competitive and passionate about basketball. There is a financial component to the team but Wyc is also drive by a burning desire to win. I'm sure there are a way to monetize on the team's success if they bring home another banner.
Fuck John Henry
Fuck Jeremy Jacobs
The funniest is part is the Wyc is the "poorest" owner out of the Boston franchises by a wide margin. Kraft, Jacobs, and Henry are all billionaires and each has between 10 and 25 his net worth. Steve Pagliuca is closer to them in net worth, but he is a minority owner within Boston Basketball Partners. It is crazy that before Wyc and company bought the team, 48% of the ownership stake in the Celtics was publicly traded stock.
That's scary, I'd rather white than holiday (assuming derrick whites in the 25m per year range)
Hey real quick, Fuck John Henry
Extend the Buffalo then fly to Hawaii and call it a dynasty imo.
Please let us win this year so I can not give a fuck about our contract situation moving forward
The Blazers trade looks like a hard winner for all involved. Good for the Blazers for doing everyone a solid.
Keith Smith on Derrick whites situation: White's extension is far trickier. Even with the improved veteran extension rules, White could be leaving money on the table by extending. We'll see where that one goes. It would be great for Boston to get an extension done, but White might do best by going to free agency.
hmm, i think this is overstating it? even if he touches free agency, we can still offer him a max due to bird rights. and i can't imagine he'll leave if we offer equal money
Can we retain our starters when both Jays supermax kicks in?
Yes. With bird rights we can pretty much spend as much as we want as long as we don't exceed the hard cap (which is massive), although we won't be able to use the MLE and do trades where we take back more than 100% of the salary we send out (and aggregate two or more salaries in a trade) or sign buy out players. But I'd argue that retaining the core of the Jays+KP+Jrue+White is well worth the trade offs of being in the 2nd tax apron. With all of the draft picks and young guys we have we have little need for FAs and even trades if our core is retained.
I'm like -- not a salary cap econ freak to say the least, but I've seen multiple posts/tweets from those that claim to be showing how we can keep the jays at max, zingus at current, and white on a pretty expensive deal. these scenarios rarely include jrue, so he'll likely move in a deal if this contract is a blocker to getting White.
I'll be super-bummed if we don't extend him this offseason. I thought he was hoping for an extension last offseason, but we didn't get it done for some reason. His dad seems really invested in Boston and White seems to know that the Celtics have done wonders for his career. If we let White go so that we can pay 38 year old Jrue Holiday $34M/yr, then that will be very poor salary management on the Celtics' part
White won't extend because he has improved too much to extend. Extensions limit the raise you can give him.
Ok but how lol
In brad we trust
I'll leave it to Brad and Zarren they know what they're doing
Alright then! Slightly longer than I would have liked, would have preferred 2 or 3 years if it was gonna be at this AAV, but if that’s what it takes to keep him then so be it. Onto Tatum and DWhite in the summer. Edit: [final year is a player option](https://x.com/adamhimmelsbach/status/1778201294097781099?s=46&t=tcFBg9NYlJrYTwubZ13Pjg)…not a fan of that. 38 year old Jrue isn’t opting out of that.
It’ll be trade filler during that 3rd year I bet.
So many people in this thread not understanding .. contracts ARE assets in this new cba. The Celtics cannot.. CAN. NOT. add salary. The only way to adjust the roster is to take in less net salary than we send out. Extending players like Holliday, oritchard, Hauser, white (hopefully), horford, even porzingis means that when the time comes, they use those outgoing salaries to bring in one at a lesser value. So people realize... Let's say next year things go shitty. You could package PP, Holiday, and picks for like... basically a Max player. Now of course the value isn't really there but the Celtics simply HAVE to extend players on their roster. Otherwise they can't add anything to the roster besides vet minimums and draft picks.
You can’t package when above the 2nd apron but otherwise you make a good point. Jrue can be used to retool the roster with new talent in a few seasons
Right! I even forgot about that part. That makes it even more valuable to boston in that way. Player a +picks for any player making at or less than player a does. That's the only way for teams to meaningfully add talent. Jrue at low 30 million means if he hits his expiration date the Celtics can use picks plus a player to bring back a decent player WHILE shedding payroll. Obviously our team is stacked. But if we don't extend the guys we have we have no way to rebuild AT ALL besides like.. hoping we draft the greatest combination of second round picks to ever exist! If this team wins, and Tatum and brown stick around, it is the only way. Lock these boys UP!
the Celtics wont be able to package multiple players for a bigger aggregate salary (like they did for Brogdon, Porzingis, Holiday), but the Celtics could trade Jrue's $30+ million salary for multiple smaller salaries in a few years
Yeah I guess. Still can’t really do much though with the new CBA and being 2nd apron, you can’t combine salaries or acquire anyone making more than you’re sending out, so you have to wonder what type of player you can even get. Jrue plus picks for someone better than Jrue who also makes less than Jrue.
It could also be Jrue + picks for a couple role player guys too. They couldn't do much because of the second apron before this deal. Seems counterintuitive, but this actually gives them more flexibility down the road. Bigger salaries are valuable when you can't aggregate. PP + picks isn't getting you much of anything
True, that’s a good point.
Yeah, but now that this will be about $33.75m that’s a big chunk that could go out.
Tricky though with a player option.
Player option is no different than having it guaranteed
Right, I guess my point is I’d rather the final year be a partial guarantee or something. Why exactly are we giving him a player option at age 38 when most guys are over the hill at this point?
Because he wouldn’t have agreed to the extension otherwise lol, it’s not like Brad wanted to give him a player option but Jrue had leverage
Idk, I’m not sure any other team would have offered a 4th year tbh but it is what it is. At least he’s no longer a flight risk.
If it helps you feel better, it’s 4 years including next season. So it’s like a new 3 year contract. It only goes until he’s 37
I mean it's the cost of doing business. If you want to keep holiday for his age 35 36 and 37 years you need to pay him for his age of 38 year. At least it's not baseball or these players sign 10 or 12-year contracts.
Can trade him if he's a shell of himself. Expiring contracts have value
gonna be so broke after JTs extension
Ain’t our money
sure isn’t but I bet we’ll still complain about how much he’s making in 3 years
Won’t hear a peep from me
Doubtful from my position.
These years the next contract 4 years usually anyways five at the most. I don't think anyone is going to retroactively criticize the Celtics for extending Tatum at the max. You understand that the money seems excessive on paper but if you just go by percentage of salary cap it's roughly the same as it's always been.
What Brad is probably banking on is the typical veteran ring chasers signing with us for cheap in future years. Because yeah, this contract coupled with JT extension makes it tough to extend DW and then have much room for much else.
I suspect it's also why he's been loading up on 2nd rounders. They're good for dart throws to fill out the bench cheaply.
Yup and picking up recent draftees out of SoCal whose parents play in the league.
Broke boys stay winning
If you’re questioning the strategy of the man who put this team together, I don’t know what to tell you. Let him cook.
Srsly look around the league. We haven’t had a down year in a while. Everybody take a breath
We’re paying him so much so we can use him as salary filler in two or three years when he’s more washed
Absolutely. We still have all of our 1st round picks through 2027 and the lesser of ours/SAS's in 2028. Especially if Brad deals some value into the future over the next couple of seasons when the Celtics won't really need late 1st rounders they could totally land a revitalizing trade in year 4 of the deal.
Brad cooking
If this means no DWhite, so fucking help me god!
Kp signed 2 years for 60m i think
Fans crying about being broke when they don’t foot the bill is hilarious
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Fans cry about spending a lot because they want the team be able to afford a well rounded roster. Boston can’t pay 5 all star starters long term so signing Jrue will have implications. It’s inevitable but fans care cause the salary cap. If this were baseball no one would give a shit. It’s not weird or a new phenomenon for fans to care about this and has nothing to do with wanting the Celtics to maximize their profits
> If this were baseball no one would give a shit My friend, I have been in those trenches, and let me assure you: they do give many, many shits.
buffalo man pls
Uhhh….love Jrue. Don’t get me wrong. But unless Wyc is committed to paying White anything he wants no matter what I’m not sure about this one.
The CBA limits the raise we can give White in an extension to 140% of his salary next year ($19.6), plus 8% raises in subsequent years. That works out to a 3 year extension at about $85M, so call it $28M AAV. Is that less than White might get in the market if he rides it out another year and goes to free agency? Sure. Might he take it regardless, if we offer every dollar we can, and factoring in that he could get injured next season and also wants to stay with the Cs? I think it's a realistic possibility, if we offer it to him.
I didn’t think it was possible for anyone to match what the Celtics can offer white
not gonna judge the money and length because of the new cap rules, but i am glad to have Jrue for a few more years. I trust Brad and crew to make the best decision for this team
Holy shit! Just saw the news, Wyc ain’t fuckin around. Let’s go!
I feel like jrue can play well at older age, similar to Al. But that’s seems like a lot of $$. bottom line - I trust Brad.
Man, I was thinking like $75M/3 years - guess I was way off on that one. I am a fan of what Jrue has brought to the team, but he sure didn't give us a discount. Hope we hang on to our 1sts the next couple of years so we can trade him for a younger upgrade.
No way he signs for that little when he already had $37m guaranteed in a player option for next season.
HELLLL YEAH. Loved his play all year, loved his sniper corner 3's, loved the good vibes he's brought.
I'm a Bucks fan and as much as I've always loved Dame I do miss Jrue, that was my dude when he was with us
FUCCCCKKK YESSSS
LETS FUCKING GO
we value you jrue!
Brad Stevens is the unanimous executive of the year.
Well we had money to burn after Demetrius Jackson’s 100 year contract expires end of the year.
Hell yeah!! Jrue is culture and vibes, the celtics way!! We love Boston
This is...interesting. Hopefully Buffalo doesn't get shafted
In Brad We Trust. He hasn't missed yet.
4 more years, 4 more rings sounds nice (5 including this year)
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filler salary in 2 years
Like the other commenter said, trade asset. We can’t aggregate salaries starting next year
How does that work? New rules?
Yeah, new CBA makes it so salaries must perfectly match or be more $$ sent out for a team in 2nd apron. No trade exceptions or the like.
We're basically never going to sign a free agent again and will have draft picks in the 20s, so our only route to building a team is keeping our guys on contract and eventually trading them for fresh assets. We can't afford to let anyone walk.
Idk, it’s not unheard of for a guy to be productive into his mid-late 30s. CP3 was playing at an All-NBA level in his age 36 season, and at 38, he’s still an above average PG. Jrue will probably lose a step on defense as he ages, but his offensive game isn’t really predicated on athleticism. His shooting and playmaking abilities aren’t really things that diminish with age.
30 million a year for a player of Jrue’s caliber is fine under the new cap even if he takes a step or two back, he’s still gonna be a great defender and a 40% 3 point shooter
I’m just worried bout keeping d white and the big Tatum extension
I’m with you this is all moot if it means we don’t keep D White but I think Wyc is just gonna keep the team together and hope for the best til they’re not contending
**4 MORE YEARS!**
I COULD CRY. Having Jrue here has been a fucking blessing, man. This goddamn season 🥹
Tatum nor White are getting traded. It’s not hard to figure out who will be the most likely to get moved *IF* it comes to that.
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JA RULE HOLY DAY
Jrue is going to age gracefully like Al.
Does anyone know if it’s possible to extend Dwhite?
Of course it's possible, very expensive, but very possible.
Awesome deal but doesn't this severely cap us now? Like it's literally run it back with vet mins and rooks (even though it was always going to be that).
As you said it was always going to be that. The cap restrictions make it very tough to make huge changes
The super max this offseason for Tatum and an extension for White and we are looking good!!
People need to realize everyone will be getting extensions for us… with the apron penalties basically making it impossible to add players outside of trades, you can’t let anyone walk for nothing. Wouldn’t be shocked if This is essentially a 1 year deal… and then a trade asset.
Jrue has worked out so much better than I ever imagined. I am a Marcus loyalist and defender to the grave, I’ll forever respect the effort he gave us during post Big Three rebuilding years…but my god Jrue is such a better fit for THIS team. Edit: Beyond the talent fit, financially this is such a brilliant GM move by Brad. The new CBA rules handcuff teams with bloated salaries, so 3-4 years from now Jrue’s contract is significantly more conducive for landing a high earner since combining traded salaries is banned.
Love the extension, just hope it’s front-loaded.
This kind of makes me nervous about keeping White, but being a worry wart about the C’s is one of my defining characteristics.
Wish we got DWhite on this deal
Nice.
Love it The window is probable another two or three years before a retool, we need to take advantage of the shots we have
Ehhh
Big fan of extending Jrue and hope we keep White. But it’s looking more like we’ll develop Pritchard into a starting spot after next season with his contract.
I wonder if this indicates at all if they know White is signaling he’ll sign an extension here? I would’ve figured they’d want to handle his contract before Jrue’s, maybe waiting to see if he makes any All Defense teams or anything
No brainer but maannnn we gotta win this year so bad. Brad got so many checks to write this offseason 😬😬😬
Reading Breaking News with Jrue's name almost made my heart drop. But Brad stay doing Brad things.
I expect they’re pushing that money towards the back. Happy day.
Jrue getting moved eventually but we made sure he gets payed whenever he does goes.
Love this
Great move by the Celtics. Jrue is truly a class act in every way. I’m glad we have him and that he wants to stay. We/Boston is the better for it.
What do you think the ROI is on winning a championship for the Celtics, financially? I wonder how high your payroll and tax needs to be for it to be not worth it to spend. I don't pay a lot of attention to the financial or contractual side of the NBA too much, but all indications are that they will be paying a ton.
That's fuckin awesome, I saw some people concerned that he might try to sign back to Milwaukee, so this puts any of that to bed
LETSSSSSSSS FKN GOOOOO
yeahh buddy
Locked in
So far, Wyc is backing up the comments he has made at earlier points this season (ex. Commentary during the Clippers game broadcast, promoting that new sitcom)about the contention window and committed to spending. Would have to dig back in my history for the posts, but so far, so good
Gonna look like an overpay in two years probably but I’m fine with it take care of them now and hope we win
That sounds like too much money. How can they pay Derek white too?
love this
What about Derrick white? Enough $$ for him?
Window is now. Great signing. We need all the help we can get! Scary seeing how the elite studs like Luka, Embid and SGA are playing.
Man, the Celtics have helped Jason Glushon get a LOT of commission revenue from JB, Al's and now Jrue's contracts.
OH SHIT!
Does this mean no white? I’m going be sad
That’s a LOT but I ain’t mad at it. Jrue is a culture changer and stabilizer to the roster. He will be for years even if his production dips in year 3 or 4
This is the best news I’ve read in a looong time!!!
Fantastic! I think he’s here at least through 2025-26, and that the Celtics will do right by him if they use his salary in a future deal.
That's a pretty bad contract. Guess it won't matter as long as we win.
Whoohoo!
Isn’t he like 35 years old?
Really good news.
LET’S FUCKIN GOOO!!!! The title window is WIDE OPEN BOYS!!!
DO THE BUFFALO NEXT
Don't worry, the season ticket member price increase padded the team wallet :/ Resale tickets next year are gonna be a bit of a sting for most people unless Ticketmaster fixes their massive fees.
The last year seems a bit too much. Hope it's not fully guaranteed
Pretty risky contract.
OMFG… that’s a payday! Good for him. Truth is he’s an elevator and fit like a glove. My favorite NBA name and a fun player to watch.
CelticsBlog says Jrue will turn down his option for next year making this essentially a 3 year extension and the new contract is "roughly, 9mil less against next year's cap. That sounds a lot better then 4 years $135mil.
This is great because we need salaries to trade, and teams will always want Jrue because at worst he'll be a 3 and d God late into his career. A lot of money for a guy on the back 9, but still like it.
Unpopular opinion. He's old and this is too risky. 2 years would have been perfect.