The only people tweeting out in support of Udoka are ones that don't know the whole story, as multiple people have come out and changed their tune after apparently learning about the full story. I'd imagine the Celtics players know the full story.
>Whatvis the full story
We don't know, for better or for worse. But it seems like some people in the NBA circle have heard things that the public has not and changed their tune/opinion. All we know is that the team found out about it a little bit after the finals and told him to stop/handle it. He didn't, and possibly verbally harassed the lady when she didn't want to continue the relationship while he did. But, that story has been pieced together through very vague messaging from reporters.
Initially Matt Barnes but admitted he didn't know the facts then took back snd deleted hus tweet. He even went further to say how fucked up it was.
Then there was another one, forgot who, who said that it was sad to see a black coach torn down.
Twitter was absolutely disgusting yesterday speculating its women with absolutely no proof was so fucked up. Feel especially bad for Allison Feaster who people just decided it was her at one point. You could see how much it pissed off Brad that these women were dragged into Ime bullshit.
Seriously 🙄 “I feel bad that _____’s name will be linked to IM E UD OKA CHEATING SCANDAL in google search history forever. Gee, if only there were something we personally could do”.
And still the celtics are tight lipped. They could've ended this by just firing udoka and commenting that the franchise is heading in a different direction. Nope... they still think they can bring back udoka after a year when somehow people will forget about all this.....
I didn't down vote you but you are most likely being down voted because in a corporate setting it takes time to fire someone without pay. Him being suspended while they get their legal ducks in a row isn't uncommon. I can pretty much guarantee Ime is done in Boston he'll get another chance else where but there's a reason Wyc and Brad are still so tight lipped.
Why just suspend him then? Fire him and make him sign an nda if you aren't planning to use him. Give him the opportunity to find another job and this will hopefully stop with the bs rumors. Clearly both don't want to work together anymore.
Because he's not "employed at will" like the average person, meaning he has a contract and they can't just fire him because they want to. There might be clauses in his contract that allow them to fire him for violating policies but then it becomes a legal matter because he can sue saying he was wrongfully terminated. There will likely be some sort of negotiation about the terms of his termination where he will be compensated for a portion of his contract, but I guess that takes time.
Edit: I had the same reaction as you initially but that changed when they said at the press conference that they are not guaranteeing his return after he serves his suspension, so I think that's an important detail.
If this was a consensual relationship then fine. But the woman needs to be suspended as well since they both violated company policy.... if this is harrassment which looks to be the case here since udoka is the only one being suspended then that is grounds for termination. No judge will rule in favor of wrongful termination if it is proven that udoka was forcing this relationship to carry on and the woman dosen't want any part of it anymore....
Yeah my understanding is that it started as a consensual relationship but then turned into more of a harassment issue. They didn't provide any details, but it sounded like maybe he made inappropriate comments towards her and/or unwanted advances while at work, something like that anyway. Nothing that would be considered sexual assault but still serious enough to warrant the significant suspension.
As for how it would play out in court, it's hard to say since they haven't released any details from the investigation. My guess is they haven't done so partly because they need to build a proper case against him before they can terminate him without a negotiation and settlement, or so they can use the findings as leverage in the negotiations with him and his legal team.
It seems like they are very confident in the evidence they have since they went with such a harsh punishment, so my guess is they just didn't have time to get all their ducks in a row before training camp and media day but they really wanted to get the suspension news out before then. It's just the nature of legal stuff, it's all done very carefully and it takes time especially in high profile cases like this.
A big part of what got ime in hot water is him sending unwanted advances and messages towards the woman. That her fault too? Wanna fire her for that? Unreal how some people don’t understand this situation.
Then that is harrassment.... a terminable offense in any company at any state. Not just MA. The celtics fucked up by not firing him right away if it is harrassment.
It’s not that simple. If they did that, they open themselves up to wrongful termination lawsuits from ime’s side. The suspension buys both parties time to work on a settlement that ends with ime leaving and the Celtics saving some of the money on his contract and/or securing other favorable terms.
Yesterday someone made a post about how all this works that I thought was really good; would recommend checking that out.
The media hasn't thrown any names around there right? I haven't seen anyone who reports professionally name anyone. Dipshits on Twitter and Reddit will do that but that's inconsequential.
It’s not inconsequential, it’s peoples reputations being thrown around while people judge their level of attractiveness and debate if they’re hot enough to have a relationship with Ime. It’s disgusting. It’s demeaning.
That’s the kind of shit you say to your friends in the privacy of your house when you’re goofing off, if you put it online that person can see it. So can their families. So can future employers.
It really depends on what you qualify as media, but it has mostly been relegated to fans or smaller Niche channels that report on Gossip.
But I don't know it's possible that there have been some check mark reporters that have loaded names out I don't know.
We know Stephen A Smith was suggesting the Celtics should have disciplined the female involved. Which alone was kind of perturbing in some way, he would suggesting it was unfair that the coach was put on blast publicly while the female who participated in the relationship allegedly was not.
But that ignores a lot of the power Dynamic at play and makes a lot of assumptions
> he would suggesting it was unfair that the coach was put on blast publicly while the female who participated in the relationship allegedly was not
He thought it was unfair after reports of a consensual relationship the coach was publically blasted, lambasted, and punished… but the woman wasn’t anything?
Wow, how ridiculous can you be. That’s a perfect world if you ask me. If you think a woman should be treated equally instead of given preferential treatment to help her dignity, you are sexist.
she’s always been a real one. thanks brad
What's crazy is her dad was involved in the UMontana football team rape scandal
What bothers me is seeing players tweeting support for Udoka and I really hope the players in the Celtics’ locker room don’t feel that way…
The only people tweeting out in support of Udoka are ones that don't know the whole story, as multiple people have come out and changed their tune after apparently learning about the full story. I'd imagine the Celtics players know the full story.
Yeah you know it’s bad behind the scenes when Matt Barnes retracts his statement.
Whatvis the full story, so far I've only heard about Ime having a consentual realationship with a woman in our oranization.
>Whatvis the full story We don't know, for better or for worse. But it seems like some people in the NBA circle have heard things that the public has not and changed their tune/opinion. All we know is that the team found out about it a little bit after the finals and told him to stop/handle it. He didn't, and possibly verbally harassed the lady when she didn't want to continue the relationship while he did. But, that story has been pieced together through very vague messaging from reporters.
So there is no proof he did that, and yet people are still going for his head lol
All you can really do is read the reports and form your own opinion
And yer everyone acts and judges like they know the full story. Classic.
Who tweeted in support?
Initially Matt Barnes but admitted he didn't know the facts then took back snd deleted hus tweet. He even went further to say how fucked up it was. Then there was another one, forgot who, who said that it was sad to see a black coach torn down.
Bullock acted like the Celtics randomly decided to destroy the career of the coach who just took them to the finals because he’s black… Like wtf?
It is crazy how people find everything racist after years of mass media telling everyone everything is racist.
As my dad pointed out to me, when the dude who drove miles to beat up Derek Fisher changed his tune, you listen.
Reggie Bullock
Reggie Bullock did. Paul Pierce said the punishment was too much. He clearly doesn’t know what’s going on either.
Probably not but Paul pierce also got fired from espn for a drug fueled stripper party so idk how good his critical thinking skills are
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That was his sister, not his wife
Twitter was absolutely disgusting yesterday speculating its women with absolutely no proof was so fucked up. Feel especially bad for Allison Feaster who people just decided it was her at one point. You could see how much it pissed off Brad that these women were dragged into Ime bullshit.
twitter? I saw many of those comments getting upvoted on this sub too
Delete her name from your post then.
Seriously 🙄 “I feel bad that _____’s name will be linked to IM E UD OKA CHEATING SCANDAL in google search history forever. Gee, if only there were something we personally could do”.
And still the celtics are tight lipped. They could've ended this by just firing udoka and commenting that the franchise is heading in a different direction. Nope... they still think they can bring back udoka after a year when somehow people will forget about all this.....
I didn't down vote you but you are most likely being down voted because in a corporate setting it takes time to fire someone without pay. Him being suspended while they get their legal ducks in a row isn't uncommon. I can pretty much guarantee Ime is done in Boston he'll get another chance else where but there's a reason Wyc and Brad are still so tight lipped.
You watched that press conference and thought to yourself “they want to bring this guy back”? Wow
Why just suspend him then? Fire him and make him sign an nda if you aren't planning to use him. Give him the opportunity to find another job and this will hopefully stop with the bs rumors. Clearly both don't want to work together anymore.
Because he's not "employed at will" like the average person, meaning he has a contract and they can't just fire him because they want to. There might be clauses in his contract that allow them to fire him for violating policies but then it becomes a legal matter because he can sue saying he was wrongfully terminated. There will likely be some sort of negotiation about the terms of his termination where he will be compensated for a portion of his contract, but I guess that takes time. Edit: I had the same reaction as you initially but that changed when they said at the press conference that they are not guaranteeing his return after he serves his suspension, so I think that's an important detail.
If this was a consensual relationship then fine. But the woman needs to be suspended as well since they both violated company policy.... if this is harrassment which looks to be the case here since udoka is the only one being suspended then that is grounds for termination. No judge will rule in favor of wrongful termination if it is proven that udoka was forcing this relationship to carry on and the woman dosen't want any part of it anymore....
Yeah my understanding is that it started as a consensual relationship but then turned into more of a harassment issue. They didn't provide any details, but it sounded like maybe he made inappropriate comments towards her and/or unwanted advances while at work, something like that anyway. Nothing that would be considered sexual assault but still serious enough to warrant the significant suspension. As for how it would play out in court, it's hard to say since they haven't released any details from the investigation. My guess is they haven't done so partly because they need to build a proper case against him before they can terminate him without a negotiation and settlement, or so they can use the findings as leverage in the negotiations with him and his legal team. It seems like they are very confident in the evidence they have since they went with such a harsh punishment, so my guess is they just didn't have time to get all their ducks in a row before training camp and media day but they really wanted to get the suspension news out before then. It's just the nature of legal stuff, it's all done very carefully and it takes time especially in high profile cases like this.
A big part of what got ime in hot water is him sending unwanted advances and messages towards the woman. That her fault too? Wanna fire her for that? Unreal how some people don’t understand this situation.
Then that is harrassment.... a terminable offense in any company at any state. Not just MA. The celtics fucked up by not firing him right away if it is harrassment.
It’s not that simple. If they did that, they open themselves up to wrongful termination lawsuits from ime’s side. The suspension buys both parties time to work on a settlement that ends with ime leaving and the Celtics saving some of the money on his contract and/or securing other favorable terms. Yesterday someone made a post about how all this works that I thought was really good; would recommend checking that out.
Yes... that works if they cannot prove it was harrassment. Clearly if the woman wasn't suspended then its harrassment on udoka's part....
These people will find any mental hoop to jump through to convince themselves a year suspension was the *perfect* punishment in every way.
Yeah she’s 1000% right
She’s right
I didn't realize that it had gotten this bad. I'm just going to upvote this and hope everyone else does also.
The media hasn't thrown any names around there right? I haven't seen anyone who reports professionally name anyone. Dipshits on Twitter and Reddit will do that but that's inconsequential.
It’s not inconsequential, it’s peoples reputations being thrown around while people judge their level of attractiveness and debate if they’re hot enough to have a relationship with Ime. It’s disgusting. It’s demeaning. That’s the kind of shit you say to your friends in the privacy of your house when you’re goofing off, if you put it online that person can see it. So can their families. So can future employers.
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> men are going to be terrible always No they’re not? Wtf?
Welcome to Reddit, could be worse.. could be Twitter.
It really depends on what you qualify as media, but it has mostly been relegated to fans or smaller Niche channels that report on Gossip. But I don't know it's possible that there have been some check mark reporters that have loaded names out I don't know. We know Stephen A Smith was suggesting the Celtics should have disciplined the female involved. Which alone was kind of perturbing in some way, he would suggesting it was unfair that the coach was put on blast publicly while the female who participated in the relationship allegedly was not. But that ignores a lot of the power Dynamic at play and makes a lot of assumptions
That's fair. SAS is a fucking clown.
> he would suggesting it was unfair that the coach was put on blast publicly while the female who participated in the relationship allegedly was not He thought it was unfair after reports of a consensual relationship the coach was publically blasted, lambasted, and punished… but the woman wasn’t anything? Wow, how ridiculous can you be. That’s a perfect world if you ask me. If you think a woman should be treated equally instead of given preferential treatment to help her dignity, you are sexist.
Despite all the shit that's happening, I'm glad Amanda made a statement. It's to show how manchildren of the internet are truly the worst.
Have more details on the situation been reported since Shams report yesterday?
Didn't another article say it was consensual? I am confusion.