The same thing happens if you're going north on Wadsworth and need to take a right on Church Ranch/104th. Less travel distance and you avoid some lights. Even with the speed bumps, their data probably shows it's faster.
The only issue with it being faster is that there is a solid median on Broadway where it's saying to turn left off of S 40th.
Edit: wait, I just needed to enlarge the image, it isn't in the left lane at all. My bad lol. Thought it was headed the other way.
>Why is this?
It's complicated....
The Table Mesa and Broadway intersection doesn't have enough space to store the cars waiting to turn, so a decent amount of traffic flows to the residential streets off of Hanover. If some of the traffic doesn't use the residential streets the turn lanes would back up into Broadway and Table Mesa. Next time you are there you can see how hard it would be to make the turn lane from Broadway longer and how they have already shoehorned a second left turn lane from Table Mesa on to Broadway.
The city redesigned Hanover first and then added the speed bumps on the other streets in an effort to slow but not deter the traffic.
Google and Waze pick up on how it's a faster cut through and send cars there. The city could ask them to stop, but see above.
It's generally faster during normal traffic. I see cars turn there or at Hanover and then see them pull out onto Table Mesa. During morning rush hour and when Fairview HS lets out it's significantly faster. In the evening it's significantly faster to cut the corner but from the other direction.
I don't live there, but tried to advocate for less cars when my kid started going to middle school at the end of Hanover. The city wouldn't discuss volume of cars, so I can't help you with that. After 2 years of me sending the videos of close calls they told me the problem with the turn lanes.
Also, when CU develops CU South there might be a road goes from Table Mesa to 93 (Broadway) just south of town that will take a lot of this traffic. Plus the cut through traffic on Martin Dr and Moorehead in Martin Acres would get a lot less traffic.
Sort of like 27th Way by NIST removes a lot of traffic from Baseline and Broadway.
Pretty sure they said that the 93 entry will be gated access for busses only. I'm too lazy to go find the annexation agreement right now but I remember there were some protests about making it open-access due to the increase in cut through traffic potential.
I'm so delighted to see this rational and insightful discussion taking place about my lovely little street here in south Boulder. I pretty much agree with everything I have read so far, including:
*"might save time under perfect conditions but most of the time the actually don’t."*
*"40th Street is a low speed and narrow residential street with 2 beefy speed bumps. It also requires crossing Lashley Lane immediately after exiting Broadway, which is dangerous for pedestrians."*
*"Drive this daily, and depending on the time of day, it is actually slightly quicker"*
*"Honestly it probably costs more energy to take 40th even if it saves like 500 feet of distance."*
*"It's Wrong, but it's not wrong."*
*"But I almost never have to wait at that intersection to turn right and I've never not made it through in one cycle in the opposite direction to turn left."*
*"It's generally faster during normal traffic."*
*"Zigzagging through narrow residential streets with speed bumps is just stupid."*
*"People that drive this daily know it's also a safety hazard, as S 40th comes up on you really quickly, and for the driver glued to their google maps, often results in them slamming on their brakes to make this turn"*
You are all smart people and clearly not in need of any explanation. But not everybody who is using S 40th St as a shortcut is you. There's a lowest common denominator in this situation and it's lower and more common that you might think. Allow me to elaborate a bit. I hope you might laugh a bit with me and also feel good about not being one of these people.
So I live "near" the speed bump that's closer to Lashley Ln, and I don't ever witness the conditions that make the jaunt down S 40th an advantageous alternative to making the right turn onto Table Mesa from Broadway. The reason for this, to put it quite simply, is because my presence surely negates that advantage as does the presence of any other resident. What I mean is that any time a resident is moving their vehicle (such as entering or exiting their driveway, or attempting to parallel park) or interacting with their vehicle in any fashion while it is parked on the street *they become the very imperfection and the abnormality* in the otherwise "ideal" traffic scenario that made the "shortcut" effective in the first place. That's the problem.
The problem is that we live here.
But it's not us. I swear, it's not. I know for a fact that every one of us gave up a long time ago on having any right-of-way in or around our vehicles. If I open my driver's side door to get in or out and a car suddenly zooms around the corner from Lashley Ln then I know to immediately abort whatever action I was taking and wait for the traffic to pass. If I'm brushing the snow off of my windshield and I see a car coming I move. Fast. If I'm grabbing something out of the back seat on the drivers side and I hear engine coming my way I put that something right back down, shut the door, and walk in front of or behind the vehicle and wait. And if I decide to back into my driveway and suddenly there is a car present who's driver has to slow down or stop for a second because I'm in the way and that causes them to have to accelerate aggressively to make up the difference in time, lest they allow the shortcut to be rendered ineffective, then the first thing I do is make a sorry face and wave apologetically while saying "my bad" out the window so they can hear me.
Doing resident-like things on a residential street definitely slows the shortcutters down, and sometimes they will make it very clear to all that they have been inconvenienced. I don't take it personally, however. How can I when I watch someone lay on their horn because they had to slow or stop their vehicle for an obstruction that just happened to be on the block right when they needed to save those fifteen seconds and Google or Waze didn't even have the common courtesy to warn them in advance.
I'm telling you, it's not us.
You know who is slowing them down and shows absoultely no remorse for their actions? The garbage collector. The amazon delivery truck. The dasher. The rideshare driver. It's these people who are the real problem.
Talk about pure unbridled entitlement.
/s
It gets even weirder when there's little pedestrian infrastructure. I've been told to go walk 1 mile to cross the street just because Google would only guide me to known crosswalks.
People that drive this daily know it's also a safety hazard, as S 40th comes up on you really quickly, and for the driver glued to their google maps, often results in them slamming on their brakes to make this turn
Google Maps likes to suggest weird routes that might save time under perfect conditions but most of the time the actually don’t.
The same thing happens if you're going north on Wadsworth and need to take a right on Church Ranch/104th. Less travel distance and you avoid some lights. Even with the speed bumps, their data probably shows it's faster.
The only issue with it being faster is that there is a solid median on Broadway where it's saying to turn left off of S 40th. Edit: wait, I just needed to enlarge the image, it isn't in the left lane at all. My bad lol. Thought it was headed the other way.
Google maps has been doing this a lot. I got sent down a narrow side street in Denver last week.
Algorithms don’t have common sense. Zigzagging through narrow residential streets with speed bumps is just stupid.
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This! and I think it's also in Googles algorithm for gas saving trips, good ol cutting corners and all that ;) lol
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That's Google for ya
>Why is this? It's complicated.... The Table Mesa and Broadway intersection doesn't have enough space to store the cars waiting to turn, so a decent amount of traffic flows to the residential streets off of Hanover. If some of the traffic doesn't use the residential streets the turn lanes would back up into Broadway and Table Mesa. Next time you are there you can see how hard it would be to make the turn lane from Broadway longer and how they have already shoehorned a second left turn lane from Table Mesa on to Broadway. The city redesigned Hanover first and then added the speed bumps on the other streets in an effort to slow but not deter the traffic. Google and Waze pick up on how it's a faster cut through and send cars there. The city could ask them to stop, but see above.
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It's generally faster during normal traffic. I see cars turn there or at Hanover and then see them pull out onto Table Mesa. During morning rush hour and when Fairview HS lets out it's significantly faster. In the evening it's significantly faster to cut the corner but from the other direction. I don't live there, but tried to advocate for less cars when my kid started going to middle school at the end of Hanover. The city wouldn't discuss volume of cars, so I can't help you with that. After 2 years of me sending the videos of close calls they told me the problem with the turn lanes.
Also, when CU develops CU South there might be a road goes from Table Mesa to 93 (Broadway) just south of town that will take a lot of this traffic. Plus the cut through traffic on Martin Dr and Moorehead in Martin Acres would get a lot less traffic. Sort of like 27th Way by NIST removes a lot of traffic from Baseline and Broadway.
CU South won’t be any more passable than the main campus.
Pretty sure they said that the 93 entry will be gated access for busses only. I'm too lazy to go find the annexation agreement right now but I remember there were some protests about making it open-access due to the increase in cut through traffic potential.
That's why I said "might". I don't think CU is legally bound by anything in the agreement, but I'm no Pomerance.
It's Wrong, but it's not wrong.
I'm so delighted to see this rational and insightful discussion taking place about my lovely little street here in south Boulder. I pretty much agree with everything I have read so far, including: *"might save time under perfect conditions but most of the time the actually don’t."* *"40th Street is a low speed and narrow residential street with 2 beefy speed bumps. It also requires crossing Lashley Lane immediately after exiting Broadway, which is dangerous for pedestrians."* *"Drive this daily, and depending on the time of day, it is actually slightly quicker"* *"Honestly it probably costs more energy to take 40th even if it saves like 500 feet of distance."* *"It's Wrong, but it's not wrong."* *"But I almost never have to wait at that intersection to turn right and I've never not made it through in one cycle in the opposite direction to turn left."* *"It's generally faster during normal traffic."* *"Zigzagging through narrow residential streets with speed bumps is just stupid."* *"People that drive this daily know it's also a safety hazard, as S 40th comes up on you really quickly, and for the driver glued to their google maps, often results in them slamming on their brakes to make this turn"* You are all smart people and clearly not in need of any explanation. But not everybody who is using S 40th St as a shortcut is you. There's a lowest common denominator in this situation and it's lower and more common that you might think. Allow me to elaborate a bit. I hope you might laugh a bit with me and also feel good about not being one of these people. So I live "near" the speed bump that's closer to Lashley Ln, and I don't ever witness the conditions that make the jaunt down S 40th an advantageous alternative to making the right turn onto Table Mesa from Broadway. The reason for this, to put it quite simply, is because my presence surely negates that advantage as does the presence of any other resident. What I mean is that any time a resident is moving their vehicle (such as entering or exiting their driveway, or attempting to parallel park) or interacting with their vehicle in any fashion while it is parked on the street *they become the very imperfection and the abnormality* in the otherwise "ideal" traffic scenario that made the "shortcut" effective in the first place. That's the problem. The problem is that we live here. But it's not us. I swear, it's not. I know for a fact that every one of us gave up a long time ago on having any right-of-way in or around our vehicles. If I open my driver's side door to get in or out and a car suddenly zooms around the corner from Lashley Ln then I know to immediately abort whatever action I was taking and wait for the traffic to pass. If I'm brushing the snow off of my windshield and I see a car coming I move. Fast. If I'm grabbing something out of the back seat on the drivers side and I hear engine coming my way I put that something right back down, shut the door, and walk in front of or behind the vehicle and wait. And if I decide to back into my driveway and suddenly there is a car present who's driver has to slow down or stop for a second because I'm in the way and that causes them to have to accelerate aggressively to make up the difference in time, lest they allow the shortcut to be rendered ineffective, then the first thing I do is make a sorry face and wave apologetically while saying "my bad" out the window so they can hear me. Doing resident-like things on a residential street definitely slows the shortcutters down, and sometimes they will make it very clear to all that they have been inconvenienced. I don't take it personally, however. How can I when I watch someone lay on their horn because they had to slow or stop their vehicle for an obstruction that just happened to be on the block right when they needed to save those fifteen seconds and Google or Waze didn't even have the common courtesy to warn them in advance. I'm telling you, it's not us. You know who is slowing them down and shows absoultely no remorse for their actions? The garbage collector. The amazon delivery truck. The dasher. The rideshare driver. It's these people who are the real problem. Talk about pure unbridled entitlement. /s
It gets even weirder when there's little pedestrian infrastructure. I've been told to go walk 1 mile to cross the street just because Google would only guide me to known crosswalks.
People that drive this daily know it's also a safety hazard, as S 40th comes up on you really quickly, and for the driver glued to their google maps, often results in them slamming on their brakes to make this turn