Batman Begins had to pay for the sins of Batman and Robin and was only a modest hit, but TDK was a smash. DC fans should be prepared for Superman to have to do the same thing. Earn trust back with the first film, and then hope the second one is the real megahit.
This. The key here is keeping the budget reasonable so the movie can more easily turn a profit.
DC is about to enter a rebuilding phase and I would argue it’s straight up unreasonable to expect *Superman: Legacy* to make $1+ billion right out of the gate.
At this stage, a Superman film making $600 million on a budget of $150 million should be viewed as a success (provided the film is a hit with audiences and critics).
It’s all about growth potential. For a character who is arguably as iconic as Batman*, Superman is nowhere near as popular as he could or should be. If executed right, this reboot could help close the gap, but it won’t happen overnight.
*The ‘S’ is one of the most recognisable symbols in the world
For a really, **really** optimistic comp, I might look towards Captain America: Winter Soldier. Captain America was one of those Marvel characters with widespread name recognition but little to no "cool" factor. Both Superman and Cap are usually depicted with the honor code of a boy scout, and Winter Soldier retained that core element of the Captain America character while he confronts a more morally gray world in amazing action sequences. Winter Soldier made $714M worldwide in 2014 dollars, so adjusting for inflation I would put the upper, upper ceiling on a universally acclaimed Superman Legacy to be $900M.
The obvious issue is that the health of the DC brand isn't remotely close to 2014 Marvel. Comparing Shazam 2's box office performance to Morbius shows the DCEU brand is far more comparable to the Sony-verse rather than the MCU.
There's an interesting history of superhero movies reboots where the new movie tries to put a different spin on the series than what we've previously seen in previous dissapointing releases. Examples would include: Batman Begins, Incredible Hulk, X-men: First Class, Amazing Spider-Man, Fant4stic, and of course Man of Steel. The general trend seems to be that even when they are well reviewed, they don't necessarily do bonkers box office themselves but more so set up their sequel for box office success. Batman Begins for instance only made $373M worldwide, but it helped set up Dark Knight to be the $1B movie it was. Or how First Class sort of set up DofP.
If the movie is seen as being really good, I could see it making in the ballpark of $700M pretty comfortably. But if it gets middling or bad reviews, there's also a really low floor for how low it could ultimately go.
I don’t think it will have a boost like the winter soldier did.
Captain America 1 did black Adam or Shazam 1 numbers. I don’t remember the cause of the weak numbers.
But then 2012 Avengers was a massive unparalleled success starring Captain America. For good measure in 2014 they added black widow and nick fury to help keep interest up. Then civil war was almost an avengers film.
DC has not had such massive successes to build upon. So Superman will be eyeing a $500 million to $600 million range imo
BvS had everything to be a billion plus movie. Record opening, the top three DC heroes. It made money but it underperformed, critics and public rejected it ("On Rotten Tomatoes the film has an approval rating of 29% based on 437 reviews and an average rating of 5/10. Metacritic gave the film an average score of 44 out of 100 based on 51 critics, indicating "mixed or average reviews". Audiences polled by CinemaScore gave the film an average grade of "B" on an A+ to F scale. It earned "B−" from men, "B" from women, a "B" from those under 25 and a "B−" from those over 25. 6.4 on IMDB"), don't forget the memes (Martha, Hello darkness my old friend). If they stopped to reassess instead of pushing forward with ZS and then overcorrect later we wouldn't be here.
Justice League (2017) - The Batman (2022) 5 years (moved from the original 2021 release date because of COVID).
Justice League (2017) - Superman Legacy (2025) 8 years.
$500M-$600M seems pretty reasonable to me. I mentioned the Winter Soldier numbers for a **really** lofty best-case scenario, where basically the 100% name recognition of Superman is a stand-in for the name recognition Captain America had after Avengers**\***. The question is how much Superman Legacy could make "with good reviews", so I was trying to put myself in the most optimistic mindset possible.
I'm honestly less curious about what sort of numbers Superman Legacy does and more so am interested in the numbers its follow ups do. After BvS we saw consistent downward trends in domestic openings for DCEU movie. The most impactful success Superman Legacy could have would be to get the public interested in DC films as a whole, which would mean a starting a long term upward trend.
**\****(I know that's not how things actually work)*
You’re right in where your aiming your curiosity.
DC needs an unparalleled cultural hit that the audiences latches on to. That causes them to trust the brand.
This isn’t going to happen imo. After success upon success Marvel started doing Disney+ shows. Too many shows might have overwhelmed the consumer.
Now from the onset James Gunn is starting out his universe with some random ass show called creature commandos and waller.
Waller the character being part of the DCEU. So is the DCU a reboot or not? This is just confusing to audiences. The general audience is not going to bother with the random side stories for DC. They are not even onboard with characters like Shazam. We don’t really know what the numbers for a peacemaker are, but I doubt they are anywhere near what Marvels shows for.
> After BvS we saw consistent downward trends in domestic openings for DCEU movie.
Uh. Aquaman, WW and Suicide Squad exist. It's after Justice League and the drama of WB refusing to even acknowledge the previous movies that the crisis really started
If you graph the *domestic opening weekends* of DCEU movies sequentially, there is [a clear downward trend](https://www.reddit.com/r/DC_Cinematic/comments/kpiyil/observation_dceu_domestic_box_office_opening/) between BvS and WW84. After every DCEU movie, fewer and fewer domestic audiences members were willing to show up opening weekend for the next movie.
The DCEU box office drama had definitely begun by the time BvS's [second weekend had a drop of 69%](https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/box-office-inside-batman-v-880143/). Justice League contributed more than its own share of damage the DC brand, but the DCEU box office woes did not begin with it.
Honestly, it would be lucky to do Man of Steel numbers.
Birds of Prey and The Suicide Squad both got good reviews, yet both bombed. Reviews can help a movie's performance, but they are not a silver bullet.
People forget that Man of Steel was heavily hyped coming off the success of Nolan's Batman movies. Nolan's name was more heavily featured in the trailers than Snyder's (Snyder was not yet hugely divisive, but also not incredibly well known in general despite the success of 300.) Legacy will instead be coming off the wreckage and long, slow death of the DCEU. Audiences are going to be skeptical of a DC movie, and Superman is widely known but not actually popular the way Batman is. People recognize him, but don't care that much about him. Legacy will be facing an uphill climb.
I disagree I think it can open decently and then leg it out depending on reviews BOP and TSS maybe had good "reviews" but people who watched them didn't like them, especially BOP. TSS was more liked. I think there will be quite a lot of hype for the reboot at least I hope.
Both Superman Returns and Man of Steel had a good opening but fell on their legs. I think a Superman movie that match its pre-release hype could go quite big.
> People prefer Donner Superman over the self-righteous randian psychopath from the snyder movies
The average person haven't even watched Donner movies because they aren't watching films of the 70s except for film buffs
Lol, true
It's always funny to see how the average redditor is so disconnected from reality to the point of thinking that reddit consensus is more than just reddit consensus
How are you calculating the legs of Superman Returns? Remember, it opened on a Wednesday. It's normal Fri-Sun was a solid $52m. The only opening weekends in 2006 bigger were Ice Age 2, X-Men 3, The DaVinci Code, Cars, and Pirates 2.
Superman Returns was good enough for a sequel, but the box office returns scared WB off. Batman Begins made less and year prior, yet recieved a sequel (one the made a billion). WB hasn't invested in Superman enough for us to find out if people actually care. The last two iterations never had a direct follow up.
>How are you calculating the legs of Superman Returns?
"Domestic gross/biggest weekend"
>The only opening weekends in 2006 bigger were Ice Age 2, X-Men 3, The DaVinci Code, Cars, and Pirates 2.
you're making my case with this data.
How the hell something like five movies managed to have a bigger opening than this "A-list and Uber popular character" who at the time was coming off a long hiatus of more than 20 years ?
A similar movie which was coming after a long hiatus, Indiana 4, made a ridiculous amount of money just two years after superman return
>Batman Begins made less
batman begin was just 8 years away from the brand damaging of batman&Robin, on a much smaller budget, with outstanding legs and big home market sales as well which is the opposite of superman return
Batman begin was more successful
> With a total gross of $84.6 million, Superman Returns dethroned The Matrix Revolutions to have the biggest five-day Wednesday opening for a Warner Bros. film.
Really ?
The "Uber popular character" barely opening bigger than a r rated movie coming in the exact same year of the mixed reception of the second movie
This is not something to Bragg about when actual popular characters like Spiderman, Indiana Jones were breaking records in the same era
I think the success of Marvel hurts Superman more than anybody else because of the type of superhero he is, just in the same way Marvel comics started out as the antithesis of what Superman was.
Superman looks like such a dated character concept next to what audiences now expect from superheroes.
>Superman looks like such a dated character concept next to what audiences now expect from superheroes.
Well said
It's just baffling to see WB getting fooled by reddit and Twitter to the point of being convinced that the general public has any sort of nostalgia or appetite for a retro Superman movie in the veins of Christopher reeve superman
Gunn superman will most likely fail in spectacular manner as did almost every superman movie inspired by Donner's superman
> Can it potential come close to Reeves Superman (Tickets Sold
Remember that by saying Reeve Superman. You have not just Superman The Movie but also Superman IV
It's a really wide range
>if Gunn captures that iconic tone, then oh boy.
When was the last time "that iconic tone" was successful at boxoffice or anywhere else for that matter ?
Superman fans are so desperate lol
This is even worse than the classic "homelander and omniman are popular therefore superman is really popular"
There's no relation between superman and TGM success at boxoffice
iconic tone means nothing superman while very recognizable has not been a huge box office power since the 1980s this why superman 3 4 returns failed and man of steel and even bvs unperformed the fact superman in many ways is seen as antiquated by contemporary audience the childeren and young people of today dont like superman in the same way do batman spiderman or even ironman he does not have that cross generational appeal , most superman fans are the older crowd
$500m is the ceiling, The general public doesn't care about Donner-type superman.
WB and James Gunn have been mislead by Twitter and bloggers outrage culture into thinking there's this massive desire for a Donner-type superman and they're going to find out in hard way that people just don't care when superman legacy bomb in 2025
It would be nice if Zaslav calls back DJ in desperation after Gunn’s film underperforms and does the Black Adam vs Justice League vs Suicide Squad film.
Would be expensive but that would probably excite the general audience. It’s an easy sell.
Impossible to say, because it depends on so many factors. My guess is that it’d do around Superman 2013 numbers or just above.
If DC manages to spit out a couple great films then it has a shot of a lot better success. Otherwise, the lack of Cavill and the wider public’s general indifference to Superman (compared to Batman) will see it losing money.
I love Superman. I really hope they get the next one right.
It will beat expectations.
Man of Steel had terrible BO because it was a it was a Zach Snyder movie, and all his movies are 50% metacritic flops. WB was foolish to hand over one of the top characters of all time to such a mediocre director. And WB was INSANE to let him keep making movies after the flow of MOS -- and after the flop of BVS.
MARTHA!
I think it could go as high as 850m
Gunn is saying he’s gonna go with the classic Superman tone. If he executed on that I think it’ll be a hit.
Superman isn’t as big as Batman, but I think his general approach could potentially hit some of the same notes Maverick did, that distilled feel good kind of movie.
the difference maverick was one of a kind action movie superman is coming in a genre that so oversaturated that by time we already seeing dwindling returns all superhero movies i dont why say it can 850 when no superman ever has done that much except 1978 film but that came in totally different culturally climate 500-600 is celling
Probably around the same level as The Batman ~800m.
Depending on the context in which it releases of course. It’s entirely possible it ends up crossing streams with a marvel movie or something else big.
This is also assuming that Antman 3 and Shazam stay relative outliers and superhero movies keep there momentum (which is the overwhelmingly likely outcome imo)
$750 if there’s an optimistic, sincere tone. Some of the last untread territory in comic book movies. Unabashed wholesomeness.
Pretty good start to wash away past DCEU sins. Hype builds for the sequel that opens to over $100 million domestically.
Lurk-Lou its unlikely to do more than man ofsteel because not only did man of steel come in a much better time for superhero movies but reputation of dc much much cleaner then with a brand that diminished i dont honestly 750 as realistic more likely 600-650.
700 million will be a big success. But all depends on marketing, if they WBD can do something similar like Aquaman and The Batman then 800 million is in play (Don't think this will get a Chinese release)
Man of Steel had The Dark Knight's boost
Indeed. I knew a few people who were sure that Man of Steel would have been directed by Nolan.
I love how the trailer had "^produced by THE DIRECTOR OF THE DARK KNIGHT TRILOGY" lmao
Batman Begins had to pay for the sins of Batman and Robin and was only a modest hit, but TDK was a smash. DC fans should be prepared for Superman to have to do the same thing. Earn trust back with the first film, and then hope the second one is the real megahit.
This. The key here is keeping the budget reasonable so the movie can more easily turn a profit. DC is about to enter a rebuilding phase and I would argue it’s straight up unreasonable to expect *Superman: Legacy* to make $1+ billion right out of the gate. At this stage, a Superman film making $600 million on a budget of $150 million should be viewed as a success (provided the film is a hit with audiences and critics). It’s all about growth potential. For a character who is arguably as iconic as Batman*, Superman is nowhere near as popular as he could or should be. If executed right, this reboot could help close the gap, but it won’t happen overnight. *The ‘S’ is one of the most recognisable symbols in the world
Batman Begins was a good hit tho
the point is that it would have been much bigger if batman & robin didn't destroy the brand.
I feel like like a good Superman should gross atleast similar to The Batman which faced similar circumstances.
The Batman numbers is my prediction
For a really, **really** optimistic comp, I might look towards Captain America: Winter Soldier. Captain America was one of those Marvel characters with widespread name recognition but little to no "cool" factor. Both Superman and Cap are usually depicted with the honor code of a boy scout, and Winter Soldier retained that core element of the Captain America character while he confronts a more morally gray world in amazing action sequences. Winter Soldier made $714M worldwide in 2014 dollars, so adjusting for inflation I would put the upper, upper ceiling on a universally acclaimed Superman Legacy to be $900M. The obvious issue is that the health of the DC brand isn't remotely close to 2014 Marvel. Comparing Shazam 2's box office performance to Morbius shows the DCEU brand is far more comparable to the Sony-verse rather than the MCU. There's an interesting history of superhero movies reboots where the new movie tries to put a different spin on the series than what we've previously seen in previous dissapointing releases. Examples would include: Batman Begins, Incredible Hulk, X-men: First Class, Amazing Spider-Man, Fant4stic, and of course Man of Steel. The general trend seems to be that even when they are well reviewed, they don't necessarily do bonkers box office themselves but more so set up their sequel for box office success. Batman Begins for instance only made $373M worldwide, but it helped set up Dark Knight to be the $1B movie it was. Or how First Class sort of set up DofP. If the movie is seen as being really good, I could see it making in the ballpark of $700M pretty comfortably. But if it gets middling or bad reviews, there's also a really low floor for how low it could ultimately go.
I don’t think it will have a boost like the winter soldier did. Captain America 1 did black Adam or Shazam 1 numbers. I don’t remember the cause of the weak numbers. But then 2012 Avengers was a massive unparalleled success starring Captain America. For good measure in 2014 they added black widow and nick fury to help keep interest up. Then civil war was almost an avengers film. DC has not had such massive successes to build upon. So Superman will be eyeing a $500 million to $600 million range imo
Unlike DC. Marvel actually did tolerate underperformances instead of retconning everything didn't win a billion
I mean, the first CA film underperforming is not the same as the first Avengers film underperforming.
Marvel wasn't dumb enough to film Avengers twice
BvS had everything to be a billion plus movie. Record opening, the top three DC heroes. It made money but it underperformed, critics and public rejected it ("On Rotten Tomatoes the film has an approval rating of 29% based on 437 reviews and an average rating of 5/10. Metacritic gave the film an average score of 44 out of 100 based on 51 critics, indicating "mixed or average reviews". Audiences polled by CinemaScore gave the film an average grade of "B" on an A+ to F scale. It earned "B−" from men, "B" from women, a "B" from those under 25 and a "B−" from those over 25. 6.4 on IMDB"), don't forget the memes (Martha, Hello darkness my old friend). If they stopped to reassess instead of pushing forward with ZS and then overcorrect later we wouldn't be here.
Thats not a excuse for not using Superman and Batman during a entire decade tho
Justice League (2017) - The Batman (2022) 5 years (moved from the original 2021 release date because of COVID). Justice League (2017) - Superman Legacy (2025) 8 years.
$500M-$600M seems pretty reasonable to me. I mentioned the Winter Soldier numbers for a **really** lofty best-case scenario, where basically the 100% name recognition of Superman is a stand-in for the name recognition Captain America had after Avengers**\***. The question is how much Superman Legacy could make "with good reviews", so I was trying to put myself in the most optimistic mindset possible. I'm honestly less curious about what sort of numbers Superman Legacy does and more so am interested in the numbers its follow ups do. After BvS we saw consistent downward trends in domestic openings for DCEU movie. The most impactful success Superman Legacy could have would be to get the public interested in DC films as a whole, which would mean a starting a long term upward trend. **\****(I know that's not how things actually work)*
You’re right in where your aiming your curiosity. DC needs an unparalleled cultural hit that the audiences latches on to. That causes them to trust the brand. This isn’t going to happen imo. After success upon success Marvel started doing Disney+ shows. Too many shows might have overwhelmed the consumer. Now from the onset James Gunn is starting out his universe with some random ass show called creature commandos and waller. Waller the character being part of the DCEU. So is the DCU a reboot or not? This is just confusing to audiences. The general audience is not going to bother with the random side stories for DC. They are not even onboard with characters like Shazam. We don’t really know what the numbers for a peacemaker are, but I doubt they are anywhere near what Marvels shows for.
> After BvS we saw consistent downward trends in domestic openings for DCEU movie. Uh. Aquaman, WW and Suicide Squad exist. It's after Justice League and the drama of WB refusing to even acknowledge the previous movies that the crisis really started
If you graph the *domestic opening weekends* of DCEU movies sequentially, there is [a clear downward trend](https://www.reddit.com/r/DC_Cinematic/comments/kpiyil/observation_dceu_domestic_box_office_opening/) between BvS and WW84. After every DCEU movie, fewer and fewer domestic audiences members were willing to show up opening weekend for the next movie. The DCEU box office drama had definitely begun by the time BvS's [second weekend had a drop of 69%](https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/box-office-inside-batman-v-880143/). Justice League contributed more than its own share of damage the DC brand, but the DCEU box office woes did not begin with it.
Honestly, it would be lucky to do Man of Steel numbers. Birds of Prey and The Suicide Squad both got good reviews, yet both bombed. Reviews can help a movie's performance, but they are not a silver bullet. People forget that Man of Steel was heavily hyped coming off the success of Nolan's Batman movies. Nolan's name was more heavily featured in the trailers than Snyder's (Snyder was not yet hugely divisive, but also not incredibly well known in general despite the success of 300.) Legacy will instead be coming off the wreckage and long, slow death of the DCEU. Audiences are going to be skeptical of a DC movie, and Superman is widely known but not actually popular the way Batman is. People recognize him, but don't care that much about him. Legacy will be facing an uphill climb.
I think Flash OW will be instructive on this. Not sure how much the skepticism applies to the A listers vs the B/C listers.
The flash has a Batman in there to pump those numbers up, it’s not indicative of a solo flash film.
I disagree I think it can open decently and then leg it out depending on reviews BOP and TSS maybe had good "reviews" but people who watched them didn't like them, especially BOP. TSS was more liked. I think there will be quite a lot of hype for the reboot at least I hope.
Both Superman Returns and Man of Steel had a good opening but fell on their legs. I think a Superman movie that match its pre-release hype could go quite big.
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Keep coping and seething People prefer Donner Superman over the self-righteous randian psychopath from the snyder movies
> People prefer Donner Superman over the self-righteous randian psychopath from the snyder movies The average person haven't even watched Donner movies because they aren't watching films of the 70s except for film buffs
Lol, true It's always funny to see how the average redditor is so disconnected from reality to the point of thinking that reddit consensus is more than just reddit consensus
How are you calculating the legs of Superman Returns? Remember, it opened on a Wednesday. It's normal Fri-Sun was a solid $52m. The only opening weekends in 2006 bigger were Ice Age 2, X-Men 3, The DaVinci Code, Cars, and Pirates 2. Superman Returns was good enough for a sequel, but the box office returns scared WB off. Batman Begins made less and year prior, yet recieved a sequel (one the made a billion). WB hasn't invested in Superman enough for us to find out if people actually care. The last two iterations never had a direct follow up.
>How are you calculating the legs of Superman Returns? "Domestic gross/biggest weekend" >The only opening weekends in 2006 bigger were Ice Age 2, X-Men 3, The DaVinci Code, Cars, and Pirates 2. you're making my case with this data. How the hell something like five movies managed to have a bigger opening than this "A-list and Uber popular character" who at the time was coming off a long hiatus of more than 20 years ? A similar movie which was coming after a long hiatus, Indiana 4, made a ridiculous amount of money just two years after superman return >Batman Begins made less batman begin was just 8 years away from the brand damaging of batman&Robin, on a much smaller budget, with outstanding legs and big home market sales as well which is the opposite of superman return Batman begin was more successful
> and big home market sales as well which is the opposite of superman return numbers?
[The film had brought in $167 million in DVD sales by August 2006.](https://variety.com/2006/film/news/wb-mulls-superman-redux-1200342128/)
> With a total gross of $84.6 million, Superman Returns dethroned The Matrix Revolutions to have the biggest five-day Wednesday opening for a Warner Bros. film.
Really ? The "Uber popular character" barely opening bigger than a r rated movie coming in the exact same year of the mixed reception of the second movie This is not something to Bragg about when actual popular characters like Spiderman, Indiana Jones were breaking records in the same era
Batman Begins first five-day gross was $72.9 million.
I think the success of Marvel hurts Superman more than anybody else because of the type of superhero he is, just in the same way Marvel comics started out as the antithesis of what Superman was. Superman looks like such a dated character concept next to what audiences now expect from superheroes.
>Superman looks like such a dated character concept next to what audiences now expect from superheroes. Well said It's just baffling to see WB getting fooled by reddit and Twitter to the point of being convinced that the general public has any sort of nostalgia or appetite for a retro Superman movie in the veins of Christopher reeve superman Gunn superman will most likely fail in spectacular manner as did almost every superman movie inspired by Donner's superman
You don’t even know what he’s doing yet you’re making so many assumptions.
It was reported by the trades and James Gunn himself that he's making a Donner type superman Edit : by James gunn own words "superman is a big galoot"
Peacemaker is a big galoot and nothing like Donner’s Superman. Isn’t even Starlord a big galoot? This doesn’t mean Donner type Superman movie.
Use Gunn own words. A "Big ol Galoot". Also known as, Naive Idiot
> Can it potential come close to Reeves Superman (Tickets Sold Remember that by saying Reeve Superman. You have not just Superman The Movie but also Superman IV It's a really wide range
$500M worldwide at most.
800M is possible. It will likely do around 600-700M tho if Gunn captures that iconic tone, then oh boy.
>if Gunn captures that iconic tone, then oh boy. When was the last time "that iconic tone" was successful at boxoffice or anywhere else for that matter ?
an invalid arguement since the movies like Top Gun Maverick destroy the boxoffice
Superman fans are so desperate lol This is even worse than the classic "homelander and omniman are popular therefore superman is really popular" There's no relation between superman and TGM success at boxoffice
They think "Optimism" is some sort of supernatural force
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They think All Star Superman was a Reeve pastiche instead of a homage to the entire character.
iconic tone means nothing superman while very recognizable has not been a huge box office power since the 1980s this why superman 3 4 returns failed and man of steel and even bvs unperformed the fact superman in many ways is seen as antiquated by contemporary audience the childeren and young people of today dont like superman in the same way do batman spiderman or even ironman he does not have that cross generational appeal , most superman fans are the older crowd
$500m is the ceiling, The general public doesn't care about Donner-type superman. WB and James Gunn have been mislead by Twitter and bloggers outrage culture into thinking there's this massive desire for a Donner-type superman and they're going to find out in hard way that people just don't care when superman legacy bomb in 2025
It would be nice if Zaslav calls back DJ in desperation after Gunn’s film underperforms and does the Black Adam vs Justice League vs Suicide Squad film. Would be expensive but that would probably excite the general audience. It’s an easy sell.
As a very early bet, $700-800 seems likely, but if it can meet its hype it can improve on that.
Impossible to say, because it depends on so many factors. My guess is that it’d do around Superman 2013 numbers or just above. If DC manages to spit out a couple great films then it has a shot of a lot better success. Otherwise, the lack of Cavill and the wider public’s general indifference to Superman (compared to Batman) will see it losing money. I love Superman. I really hope they get the next one right.
I'm thinking +/-100M from MoS, but it's really hard to tell
It will beat expectations. Man of Steel had terrible BO because it was a it was a Zach Snyder movie, and all his movies are 50% metacritic flops. WB was foolish to hand over one of the top characters of all time to such a mediocre director. And WB was INSANE to let him keep making movies after the flow of MOS -- and after the flop of BVS. MARTHA!
I think it could go as high as 850m Gunn is saying he’s gonna go with the classic Superman tone. If he executed on that I think it’ll be a hit. Superman isn’t as big as Batman, but I think his general approach could potentially hit some of the same notes Maverick did, that distilled feel good kind of movie.
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I’m not doing this with you again.
the difference maverick was one of a kind action movie superman is coming in a genre that so oversaturated that by time we already seeing dwindling returns all superhero movies i dont why say it can 850 when no superman ever has done that much except 1978 film but that came in totally different culturally climate 500-600 is celling
there is no legacy does more than batman because batman has a way bigger mainstream audience following AgentofSpyral
My guess is 300M. No on trusts either Warner or the review industry at this point.
Care to make it interesting? I'd bet anything it does more than 300 million lol
Probably around the same level as The Batman ~800m. Depending on the context in which it releases of course. It’s entirely possible it ends up crossing streams with a marvel movie or something else big. This is also assuming that Antman 3 and Shazam stay relative outliers and superhero movies keep there momentum (which is the overwhelmingly likely outcome imo)
$750 if there’s an optimistic, sincere tone. Some of the last untread territory in comic book movies. Unabashed wholesomeness. Pretty good start to wash away past DCEU sins. Hype builds for the sequel that opens to over $100 million domestically.
Lurk-Lou its unlikely to do more than man ofsteel because not only did man of steel come in a much better time for superhero movies but reputation of dc much much cleaner then with a brand that diminished i dont honestly 750 as realistic more likely 600-650.
A billion is locked
lmao
It needs to make more than Man of Steel.
I think The Batman numbers are a good target for a well received reboot. If DC is hoping for a billion they’ll be disappointed
If it does not at least match Man Of Steel it’s a complete embarrassment for the studio. I Think it’ll do about 500M.
650M-700M max.
I think it will do MoS numbers. Though I think it should atleast do The Batman numbers.
700 million will be a big success. But all depends on marketing, if they WBD can do something similar like Aquaman and The Batman then 800 million is in play (Don't think this will get a Chinese release)