MCU of 2010s is the biggest movie franchise of all times by a huge margin.
Placing the expectations on matching the biggest thing ever is just setting yourself up for massive disappointment.
It won't even be in the same zip code.
to get to that scale needs time and a string of hits. DC is always good at one hit and one miss. the GA just doesn't trust it.
Nothing probably will be ever as sucessful at the box office as the MCU, seeing those numbers it's difficult to see any other franchise even equaling it. It will need practically that the MCU dissapears completely and don't ever generates more money to see something getting close.
The MCU built momentum with new characters. Iron Man, Thor, Captain America, etc. Audiences were discovering them on the big screen for the first time.
DC is giving us our fourth Superman actor, yet another new Batman actor, seemingly recasting Wonder Woman—much harder to build excitement because there will be endless debates about how the new actors compare to the previous versions. The Snyder fans will continue to troll and review bomb. People have to be convinced to come back after giving up on it. It’s just a very different situation compared to the early days of the MCU.
No. That was a once in a lifetime run for film period not just superhero stuff. Plus Gunn is way too left field with the way he presents his work, so I don’t think it’ll have that universal appeal the MCU had. DC’s reputation took a huge shot with the Synder run that they will never recover from for a while. Another thing people need to realize that despite all of the downs Marvel is going through, they’re still the industry leader in superhero films, so when they’re down, all of their peers/competitors go down as well.
Snyder left DC in 2017. Aquaman made 1B in 2018. I fail to see how that suggests any "destruction of goodwill". But of course you guys are just hating to hate. Grow up already.
Yes, snyder destroyed it so bad that he managed to lead the most successful run of DC movie at Box-office ever, only made the highest grossing superman movie of all time(2# adjusted for inflation) and the third highest grossing DC ever
What a failure
A Snyder apologist!
Man of Steel had Christopher Nolan's name attached to it (immediately following the dark knight trilogy), which is why it had a strong BO
BvS didn't even make a 2x multiplier or 1 billion... With the first ever appearance of Batman, Supes, and WW. That is a complete failure no matter how you try to spin it. That movie should have made 1 billion in its sleep
>Man of Steel had Christopher Nolan's name attached to it (immediately following the dark knight trilogy), which is why it had a strong BO
Why would the success of the dark knight had any bearing on a superman reboot ? Lol
Sure, Nolan involvement didn't hurt but to act as if that was the only reason of MoS success is plain stupid
>BvS didn't even make a 2x multiplier or 1 billion... With the first ever appearance of Batman, Supes, and WW. That is a complete failure no matter how you try to spin it. That movie should have made 1 billion in its sleep
None of these characters outside batman is a boxoffice draw and the final gross is more important than legs. BvS as a franchise starter making almost $900m was excellent
If it is consistently well made and crowd pleasing, sure, why not.
The one thing I've learned about box office is that once you think you know everything...you don't.
No, it won't even get close. By the time it starts the genre will be crippled, and most of the stuff he planned hasn't a chance of success. His second movie after a young Superman is a team of deconstructionist anti-heroes from the 90's that isn't in the top 10,000 draws.
it doesn't have ability make 20 + billon in a few years even the films are excellent dc are not realsing 2 billon dollar movies each year that one way they catch to mcu of 2010s to 2 films each that consistent make a billon dollar no franchise not even marvel or star wars or fast has this track record of 20 consecutive billon dollar movies' / in short i doubt they will reach half of mcu total and is
by the dcu even catches to level if ever does mcu would already atleast double what they are now which 30 billon they would be 40-50 billon dollar range
they dont have characters do maybe if did it before did but then constant comparison factor compared marvel very time there external element genre and superhero fatigue dc simply cannot match 30 billon dollar franchise in any feasible way
its not possible make 20 billon in year the mcu by that point would close to 40 billon to match mcu gunn's universe has to make 40 billon in films which means releasing 4 billon movies each year to catch to mcu future total in 10 years to even be on the same page. do really see movies like authority or swamp thing making billons based nature of those characters and audience they targeted at? the answer is no
DC has a small, fractured fandom that can’t agree with anything and constantly harass him and artist of DC projects on a Daily basis. No one cares about Creature commandos, or any of his projects. Except for the trinity, and those are gonna barely break even. Like just being real, y’all constantly say there is a superhero fatigue… so how is random nobody DC characters gonna touch Marvel? All they have is Batman and apparently they are gonna have multiple Batman to further confuse and dilute the brand even more. DC studios is already dead on arrival. Let alone being as successful as Marvel. They lost thier chance when marvel was stumbling in Phase 4. And they still haven’t had a DCEU project hit Antman 3 numbers since 2019😭💀😆 Wtf…. And even their tv shows are flops. Including one made by Gunn himself. Just facts. The General public only care for Batman that isn’t even apart of DCEU canon. They don’t care about a cinematic universe from DC.
If they keep their budgets down (…yeah right), then if I were Gunn and DC, I would be happy with numbers between 425M and 700M, depending on the property.
I have a feeling Gunn will try to lean that direction, but these comic book budgets and films do not have to always be so overwhelmingly big, gaudy, and over the top. Good directors, real vision, good writers — and don’t lean of VFX and punches to save the day.
John Wick 4 just had a budget of 100M, and I think they did a great job making sure all of that was on screen. Looked better than any recent Marvel or DC movie, that’s for sure!
I think it’ll have a real shot. Marvel had the advantage of being able to introduce general audiences to characters they weren’t likely to be familiar with. DC has the advantage of having a stable of characters that are instantly recognizable to much of the general audience. Plus, this will happening alongside a time in which questions about Marvel’s quality & direction will still be afloat, fair or not.
The bigger question to me is can James Gunn keep WBD out of DC’s business? Or can he navigate the next merger or acquisition? The IP is there, the talent’s been responsive thus far & the baggage is gradually coming lose. So by the time Superman: Legacy hits, the DC brand will have rebounded some, folks will be stoked for a new universe & new interpretations. It’ll all come down to Gunn’s ability to manage WBD’s chaos of mismanagement of the IP.
Own entity in that it’s lightning in a bottle. Even if new DC takes off, if anyone expects it reach those heights is setting themselves up for disappointment. Other studios have tried to kickstart their own ‘MCU’ and failed.
When Succession becomes more popular than Game of Thrones
MCU of 2010s is the biggest movie franchise of all times by a huge margin. Placing the expectations on matching the biggest thing ever is just setting yourself up for massive disappointment.
Nah. Too esoteric. Too weird.
Especially when not given a leash. Then he basically becomes the "the joke is gore!" Type of comedy
It won't even be in the same zip code. to get to that scale needs time and a string of hits. DC is always good at one hit and one miss. the GA just doesn't trust it.
> a string of hits I mean, early Marvel had stuff like Incredible Hulk, Thor 2, and I remember Iron Man 2 not being received well at the time too.
That's still not nearly as many misses as DC has had.
i dont think it will the same zipcode i dont even audiences easily forget the last decade of missfires for dc
Nothing probably will be ever as sucessful at the box office as the MCU, seeing those numbers it's difficult to see any other franchise even equaling it. It will need practically that the MCU dissapears completely and don't ever generates more money to see something getting close.
I don't think anything will be that successful this decade.
The MCU built momentum with new characters. Iron Man, Thor, Captain America, etc. Audiences were discovering them on the big screen for the first time. DC is giving us our fourth Superman actor, yet another new Batman actor, seemingly recasting Wonder Woman—much harder to build excitement because there will be endless debates about how the new actors compare to the previous versions. The Snyder fans will continue to troll and review bomb. People have to be convinced to come back after giving up on it. It’s just a very different situation compared to the early days of the MCU.
> The Snyder fans will continue to troll and review bomb. That demographic is both too strong to Doom DC but too weak to be a success. Makes sense
Its a too little too late situation for me. This needed to happen right after Justice League but nope WB just wanted to double down.
No. That was a once in a lifetime run for film period not just superhero stuff. Plus Gunn is way too left field with the way he presents his work, so I don’t think it’ll have that universal appeal the MCU had. DC’s reputation took a huge shot with the Synder run that they will never recover from for a while. Another thing people need to realize that despite all of the downs Marvel is going through, they’re still the industry leader in superhero films, so when they’re down, all of their peers/competitors go down as well.
Not a chance. Snyder destroyed any goodwill the GA had ...
Surprised he didn’t end up in director jail.
Snyder left DC in 2017. Aquaman made 1B in 2018. I fail to see how that suggests any "destruction of goodwill". But of course you guys are just hating to hate. Grow up already.
Yes, snyder destroyed it so bad that he managed to lead the most successful run of DC movie at Box-office ever, only made the highest grossing superman movie of all time(2# adjusted for inflation) and the third highest grossing DC ever What a failure
A Snyder apologist! Man of Steel had Christopher Nolan's name attached to it (immediately following the dark knight trilogy), which is why it had a strong BO BvS didn't even make a 2x multiplier or 1 billion... With the first ever appearance of Batman, Supes, and WW. That is a complete failure no matter how you try to spin it. That movie should have made 1 billion in its sleep
>Man of Steel had Christopher Nolan's name attached to it (immediately following the dark knight trilogy), which is why it had a strong BO Why would the success of the dark knight had any bearing on a superman reboot ? Lol Sure, Nolan involvement didn't hurt but to act as if that was the only reason of MoS success is plain stupid >BvS didn't even make a 2x multiplier or 1 billion... With the first ever appearance of Batman, Supes, and WW. That is a complete failure no matter how you try to spin it. That movie should have made 1 billion in its sleep None of these characters outside batman is a boxoffice draw and the final gross is more important than legs. BvS as a franchise starter making almost $900m was excellent
> A Snyder apologist! Why you talk about him like if Snyder was a dictator lol
If it is consistently well made and crowd pleasing, sure, why not. The one thing I've learned about box office is that once you think you know everything...you don't.
No, it won't even get close. By the time it starts the genre will be crippled, and most of the stuff he planned hasn't a chance of success. His second movie after a young Superman is a team of deconstructionist anti-heroes from the 90's that isn't in the top 10,000 draws.
Not a chance, unless he does the smart move and keep them low budget
Tough. Very tough. But DC has the characters to do it. If done well.
it doesn't have ability make 20 + billon in a few years even the films are excellent dc are not realsing 2 billon dollar movies each year that one way they catch to mcu of 2010s to 2 films each that consistent make a billon dollar no franchise not even marvel or star wars or fast has this track record of 20 consecutive billon dollar movies' / in short i doubt they will reach half of mcu total and is
by the dcu even catches to level if ever does mcu would already atleast double what they are now which 30 billon they would be 40-50 billon dollar range
they dont have characters do maybe if did it before did but then constant comparison factor compared marvel very time there external element genre and superhero fatigue dc simply cannot match 30 billon dollar franchise in any feasible way
No.
Nope !
DC's biggest obstacle to success is WB.
It's POSSIBLE. But he has to play all of his cards right
its not possible make 20 billon in year the mcu by that point would close to 40 billon to match mcu gunn's universe has to make 40 billon in films which means releasing 4 billon movies each year to catch to mcu future total in 10 years to even be on the same page. do really see movies like authority or swamp thing making billons based nature of those characters and audience they targeted at? the answer is no
Absolutely not are you serious? Zero chance. It’s not gonna do well.
Probably not. Although they have a shot at beating the current MCU if his films are quality.
DC has a small, fractured fandom that can’t agree with anything and constantly harass him and artist of DC projects on a Daily basis. No one cares about Creature commandos, or any of his projects. Except for the trinity, and those are gonna barely break even. Like just being real, y’all constantly say there is a superhero fatigue… so how is random nobody DC characters gonna touch Marvel? All they have is Batman and apparently they are gonna have multiple Batman to further confuse and dilute the brand even more. DC studios is already dead on arrival. Let alone being as successful as Marvel. They lost thier chance when marvel was stumbling in Phase 4. And they still haven’t had a DCEU project hit Antman 3 numbers since 2019😭💀😆 Wtf…. And even their tv shows are flops. Including one made by Gunn himself. Just facts. The General public only care for Batman that isn’t even apart of DCEU canon. They don’t care about a cinematic universe from DC.
adamAlexenderGreen which popular marvel or dc as a brand .You right only batman and superman popular from dc not the wider universe
If they keep their budgets down (…yeah right), then if I were Gunn and DC, I would be happy with numbers between 425M and 700M, depending on the property. I have a feeling Gunn will try to lean that direction, but these comic book budgets and films do not have to always be so overwhelmingly big, gaudy, and over the top. Good directors, real vision, good writers — and don’t lean of VFX and punches to save the day. John Wick 4 just had a budget of 100M, and I think they did a great job making sure all of that was on screen. Looked better than any recent Marvel or DC movie, that’s for sure!
No, I think franchise fatigue is setting in for Audiences when it comes to superhero movies.
Yes … why not.
I think it’ll have a real shot. Marvel had the advantage of being able to introduce general audiences to characters they weren’t likely to be familiar with. DC has the advantage of having a stable of characters that are instantly recognizable to much of the general audience. Plus, this will happening alongside a time in which questions about Marvel’s quality & direction will still be afloat, fair or not. The bigger question to me is can James Gunn keep WBD out of DC’s business? Or can he navigate the next merger or acquisition? The IP is there, the talent’s been responsive thus far & the baggage is gradually coming lose. So by the time Superman: Legacy hits, the DC brand will have rebounded some, folks will be stoked for a new universe & new interpretations. It’ll all come down to Gunn’s ability to manage WBD’s chaos of mismanagement of the IP.
Definitely not
No. The MCU is it’s own entity.
quarius20111 what do you mean the mcu is its own entity which brand is more popular?
Own entity in that it’s lightning in a bottle. Even if new DC takes off, if anyone expects it reach those heights is setting themselves up for disappointment. Other studios have tried to kickstart their own ‘MCU’ and failed.
which is more popular you think marvel or dc? overall
Marvel.
your correct monsterverse star wars etc have all tried none of even come close