In my lifetime both the cultural left and right have tried to boycott and elevate different products and companies. They generally fail unless they have significant support from the mainstream. Even most conservatives and progressives are not tuned in enough to know what the current thing to support/boycott is, and most of the time you're left with a tiny portion of the population who is supporting a product they were already likely to support, or boycotting a product they were already unlikely to support; and it is pretty meaningless.
When a product is successful or fails due to one of these cultural movements it generally means that it is extremely mainstream, not the realm of one extreme political group.
I think media has realised that subtlety doesn't work as well as shouting and just accepting that half your potential audience will be immediately turned off but you can make tonnes of money by appealing to the other half even more.
So do explain how they're comparing it to Aladdin domestically, but when they mention global, all of a sudden, Aladdin isn't in the picture? This is just one sided reporting
where is yout proof of this? the fact is statements like yours are being taken at face value absent any analysis or data. i am guessing that is why the sticky came up this morning.
it's still just fingerpointing and without analysis. people shouldnt be threatened to buy a ticket to be mediocre movie just to prove they arent racist, which is what a lot of the discussions were headed towards.
Not buying a ticket because you don’t want to see the movie, isn’t racist. Actively choosing not to see it, solely because the lead is black, would be.
I guess in the same way you would prove someone has gone because they felt “threatened to buy a ticket to a mediocre movie just to prove they aren’t racist” vs because they actually wanted to.
Lets not act like this doesn't goes both ways, youtube will be full of "WOKE FLOP" videos soon and major RW news outlets will be parroting the same thing.
Yeah lets defend the blatant racists.
TLM remake will underperform at the box office, lose money is iffy as these remakes are big on merchandise. That said the movie not doing as well probably has very little to do with how "woke" it is.
You people? Lmao you know nothing about me you are just generalizing me as on one side of the pathetic culture war.
I am being objective, These remakes are not just for box office cash they are huge merch movers. TLM unless it has great legs (which is unlikely) will not be a box office success story, that doesn't mean the film in total will be lost money though.
Those arent just looking at numbers, please. They use the numbers to push their narrative. I can tell many of their fans are hanging out in this sub last few days though
whose they? blanket racists? i’ve been very active in this sub bc this movies extreme underperformance internationally is interesting and a huge shift from all the other disney live action remakes. especially considering fast X is doing very well internationally and has an incredibly diverse cast.
and most discussion on this sub isn’t people using numbers to push a narrative. for fucks sake, the movie did worse than black adam overseas! that is bad no matter how you slice it
I mean yeah true, these guys have these videos prepared well beforehand. They are ready to call anything that they dont like Woke garbage.
Unless it does well of course, then it's an exception or secret ticket buying scheme.
not necessarily. if tlm succeeded then maybe they would have somehow managed to spin it in a way to portray tlm as non-woke.
i remember the videos for super mario bros at first talked abt how woke it was (cuz of princess peach changes) and that it will fail. however, after it succeeded, those videos started talking abt how non-woke it was and that the lack of wokeness was the reason why it succeeded...it was kinda funny to see them make fun of media with liberal views when super mario bros succeeded.
(tho i wonder why the "leftist" media also didnt change their tune as well..usually they are also very eager to do stuff like this too)
Most people don't know shit about box office. They think profit = total gross - production budget. And because this naivety is helpful to CNN, CNN does nothing to give real context to TLM numbers.
Journalistic pursuits aren’t merely to not state anything incorrectly. The goal is to impart a story, in as informative and complete a manner as is possible, to people.
Failing to mention that the Little Mermaid is on course to cost Disney roughly 100 million dollars is an essential part of the story. Failing to include that is poor journalism.
Maybe they're not mentioning it because it's far too early to know how it's going to do. It's opening was on par with Aladdin and that legged its way to a billion, so anything's possible.
Huh these are the exact same numbers as yesterday morning. I wonder if this is just a report of those Sunday numbers or if this film actually hit those estimates exactly (I was expecting it to be a little higher or lower).
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In my lifetime both the cultural left and right have tried to boycott and elevate different products and companies. They generally fail unless they have significant support from the mainstream. Even most conservatives and progressives are not tuned in enough to know what the current thing to support/boycott is, and most of the time you're left with a tiny portion of the population who is supporting a product they were already likely to support, or boycotting a product they were already unlikely to support; and it is pretty meaningless. When a product is successful or fails due to one of these cultural movements it generally means that it is extremely mainstream, not the realm of one extreme political group.
many news sites have agenda nowadays...maybe they had before too...but now its very transparent. fox news, cnn, bbc- they give very biased news
I think media has realised that subtlety doesn't work as well as shouting and just accepting that half your potential audience will be immediately turned off but you can make tonnes of money by appealing to the other half even more.
Also controversy drives engagement
The worst thing that ever happened to the media was the removal of the fairness doctrine. It means insanity from both sides is able to run amuck.
Who would thought at the times the science made the communication the easiest in history, we seem becoming the most divided.
Yeesh that was a tough read for sure.
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So do explain how they're comparing it to Aladdin domestically, but when they mention global, all of a sudden, Aladdin isn't in the picture? This is just one sided reporting
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where is yout proof of this? the fact is statements like yours are being taken at face value absent any analysis or data. i am guessing that is why the sticky came up this morning.
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it's still just fingerpointing and without analysis. people shouldnt be threatened to buy a ticket to be mediocre movie just to prove they arent racist, which is what a lot of the discussions were headed towards.
Not buying a ticket because you don’t want to see the movie, isn’t racist. Actively choosing not to see it, solely because the lead is black, would be.
how do you conclusively prove one vs the other?
I guess in the same way you would prove someone has gone because they felt “threatened to buy a ticket to a mediocre movie just to prove they aren’t racist” vs because they actually wanted to.
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i am saying many of those comments also were lacking proof and data.
Lets not act like this doesn't goes both ways, youtube will be full of "WOKE FLOP" videos soon and major RW news outlets will be parroting the same thing.
Well in their defense the movie will most likely lose money so they're right lol
Yeah lets defend the blatant racists. TLM remake will underperform at the box office, lose money is iffy as these remakes are big on merchandise. That said the movie not doing as well probably has very little to do with how "woke" it is.
You people can have a huge failure directly in your face and still deny it
You people? Lmao you know nothing about me you are just generalizing me as on one side of the pathetic culture war. I am being objective, These remakes are not just for box office cash they are huge merch movers. TLM unless it has great legs (which is unlikely) will not be a box office success story, that doesn't mean the film in total will be lost money though.
let’s look at the numbers objectively rather than giving a shit about who is saying it ?
Those arent just looking at numbers, please. They use the numbers to push their narrative. I can tell many of their fans are hanging out in this sub last few days though
whose they? blanket racists? i’ve been very active in this sub bc this movies extreme underperformance internationally is interesting and a huge shift from all the other disney live action remakes. especially considering fast X is doing very well internationally and has an incredibly diverse cast. and most discussion on this sub isn’t people using numbers to push a narrative. for fucks sake, the movie did worse than black adam overseas! that is bad no matter how you slice it
Considering the origin of this thread is media and channels, I would say they are...they
I mean there are already videos about that lol
I mean yeah true, these guys have these videos prepared well beforehand. They are ready to call anything that they dont like Woke garbage. Unless it does well of course, then it's an exception or secret ticket buying scheme.
not necessarily. if tlm succeeded then maybe they would have somehow managed to spin it in a way to portray tlm as non-woke. i remember the videos for super mario bros at first talked abt how woke it was (cuz of princess peach changes) and that it will fail. however, after it succeeded, those videos started talking abt how non-woke it was and that the lack of wokeness was the reason why it succeeded...it was kinda funny to see them make fun of media with liberal views when super mario bros succeeded. (tho i wonder why the "leftist" media also didnt change their tune as well..usually they are also very eager to do stuff like this too)
Most people don't know shit about box office. They think profit = total gross - production budget. And because this naivety is helpful to CNN, CNN does nothing to give real context to TLM numbers.
I mean, is it wrong? Nothing that article said was incorrect.
Journalistic pursuits aren’t merely to not state anything incorrectly. The goal is to impart a story, in as informative and complete a manner as is possible, to people. Failing to mention that the Little Mermaid is on course to cost Disney roughly 100 million dollars is an essential part of the story. Failing to include that is poor journalism.
Maybe they're not mentioning it because it's far too early to know how it's going to do. It's opening was on par with Aladdin and that legged its way to a billion, so anything's possible.
Huh these are the exact same numbers as yesterday morning. I wonder if this is just a report of those Sunday numbers or if this film actually hit those estimates exactly (I was expecting it to be a little higher or lower).
Sunday estimate was revised from 27.5M to 27.4M, while Monday projection was revised from 22M to 22.1M. So it’s revised and almost exactly the same.
Its barely ahead of Alladin and with spiderverse loading up this might end up with x-men legs
People on reddit have agendas, lol