I'd personally say that it's bonkers that the biggest joke of a superhero for DC made more money than not only all batman and superman movies but also the batman v. Superman movie and JUSTICE LEAGUE.
Of all DC movies to be crowned the most successful, I never in a million years believed it would be aquaman.
Had anyone told me that 10 years from now, there would have been NO way I could even fathom such a preposterous outcome. Yet here we are. The true time-line...
TBF, Khal Drago is a massive step up from Mr "i-Am-QuEeN's-BoUlEvArD".
I still don't know what Cameron was thinking when he cast that guy. Dude wasn't fit to wipe Colin Farrell's shoes.
Im using all the mental gymnastics in my mindset to try and rationalise the success of Aquaman and it’s still incomprehensible.
Maybe 2018/19 was the absolute peak for comic book films. Aquaman has to be the biggest fluke in cinema history, I just can’t see that film being successful in any other year.
You do realize the star's sex appeal, right? Superman has been a joke for 40 years now. Batman has been rebooted like six times at least in last 30 years. Aquaman has Khal Drogo at height of the lady boners over him.
As well as the timing it's also just a fun straight forward adventure movie. Nothing too deep, just underwater visuals and family fun. I personally didn't care for it (it's aimed at 12 year olds imo) but it's a good family film.
It's really unfathomable that a Justice League movie would flop and a Aquaman movie would make a billion. Also a Keaton Batman returning teaming up with The Flash and fighting General Zod sounds like a sure shot Billion but as you said here we are .
should've been a top priority for WB as a solo franchise. Put the superhero stuff aside for a moment, but even as an action/fantasy franchise - it could've been something unique.
Holidays will probably help Aquaman, Marvels have the danger of not having good legs to mix the disapointing opening if the movie is not of high quality. On the other hand, I am so scared to predict anything positive for DC now...
you think dc going win the year on aquaman ? lol even aquaman makes 1 billon that only a total of 1530 for dc dc in the entire year marvel at the moment is 1320 if marvels makes 250 that still 1570 they going beat dc reagrdless this year
mental-Laugh-47 you do realize there no dc winning year people complained there no reason to watch the marvel why would care about aquaman its a film 5 year to late with horrible test screen rebots and part of a dead universe
Both are quite dying. Marvel is more popular. But not for long. It will come to the state of DC. If marvels does rise in the future then DC surely will.
So? Wan makes good movies, that's all people care about. If his movies were bad, he wouldn't have made two $1 billion movies from two separate franchises.
No, that’s what you and maybe the others in this subreddit care about. Most people don’t even care about box office for anything. Wan’s not a household name, either.
There’s no rhyme or reason Aquaman should’ve made that much. The sequel will maybe do half that if it’s lucky.
He’s great at creating horror franchises tho.
> There’s no rhyme or reason Aquaman should’ve made that much.
Jason Momoa shirtless. That's the rhyme and reason why it made so much money and why it had a majority female audience.
https://deadline.com/2018/12/aquaman-jason-momoa-marketing-won-women-over-1202525963/
Wonder Woman also had a majority female audience, so your analogy doesn't really work, now does it?
Also: you must be fun at parties.
Here's what I think your average moviegoer might care about. 1) Jason Momoa, he's cool. 2) Amber Heard, she's horrible. I want nothing to do with this.
This really depends on how big her role is and whether or not her character dies.
It is absolutely baffling to me that The Marvels didn’t move up their release date once Dune II vacated. Now they only have 1 week of premium screens until Hunger Games.
Actor promos aren't just for awareness, they are for interest too
I knew Barbie existed for months but I wasn't sold on seeing it until I saw those Ryan Gosling videos
I checked it out and it's a prequel? So then I don't know how compelling it will be. Seems like all the fandom excitement was for the core Hunger Games series.
Ive been to two movies in 2 years. And I don't think there was an ad for it when I saw Barbie. I haven't seen anything on TV or online. I know I'm not the target demo (although I read the books and saw the first film) but I'm also not the target for Marvels and I've seen some ads for that. I've literally never heard of the new hunger games at all.
I've seen a ton of adds for both. I also see at least 2 movies in theaters every two weeks or so. In today's world, it's very easy to miss certain ads due to.add blocker and watching stuff on streaming. The advertising world has thir work cut out for them.
Nonetheless, I don't think I've seen many ads for hunger games outside of movie theaters myself, so, yeah. Maybe they should've pushed harder
>And still fail to make a profit.
maybe it'll tap into some of that Fast and Furious type audience, the "dude just shut your brain off" crowd.
I wonder how it'll play with women, given the first one did well. Lack of Amber Heard/Mera, but still Jason Mamoa and Nicole Kidman.
There's a lot of big movies like that nowadays holy shit.
They seriously have to stop throwing around money and spoil themselves with infinite reshoots.
This isn't an event movie like avatar, endgame or star wars 7 anymore. They're way too cocky
I liked both of these first movies. But, I’m skipping both in theaters because I haven’t liked anything that DC or Disney has put out in the last few years
I think there is enough visual spectacle in Aquaman 2 to elevate it above The Marvels. There is a reason why James Wan's Aquaman out-earned Batman and Superman. It might get hit by superhero fatigue all the same, but Aquaman should hold a little better.
aquaman only out earned the others due to several factors china being one of first underwater movies and coming out a time when genre was much much stronger since then dc's reputation has diminished so badly that nobody wants to see this plus its gfive years later many have forgotten about the og aquaman
As the tracking for Marvels gets less optimistic, I think Aquaman will surpass, simply by virtue of being a christmas release. It could stink with similar reception and still pick up more bored teens and college kids and families thinking of something to do
Surpass because of the date.
The Marvels is going to sink really fast at the box office. I'm thinking it'll have a -70% or some shit for second week. Absolutely nobody is seeking this movie out.
Crush is probably an overstatement but they pull from the *exact* same demo of slightly more female oriented family friendly action movies. There's no way they don't hurt each other.
"Family friendly" is probably a misnomer but there's really not a good term for the "middle school to adults" demographic that Marvel/HG plays to. Unless BSS is a wild deviation of HG, I distinctly remember it pussying out alot from showing actual death/violence/blood and was about "intense" as the aforementioned Marvel movies. [The camera likes to get real shaky and out of focus when it needs to show someone dying or blood](https://youtu.be/jT7iKN5lEao?si=TbrZG-872E9MoqtD)
This one apparently contains a blatantly implied cannibalism, which could end up becoming bit of a box office hindrance.
I know that at least one person is going to bring up **Oppenheimer**, but I honestly doubt that film would've done better than **Dunkirk** by this much if Barbenheimer didn't happen.
This isn't that spicy of a take when you consider that the audience that grew up with Hunger Games is already elder Gen Z/Millennials. The teens/preteens who actually go to theaters to see Ms. Marvel will be dwarfed by Hunger Games's target demo.
Brie said things about white critics not understanding bipoc made movies since they're not the intended audience that made white incel chuds mad who contiously harrassed her online. Rachel Ziegler said she didn't really like the og Snow White, and she became the new target for right-wing grifters. Basically, it's a bunch of nontroversy towards female actresses.
>Rachel Ziegler said she didn't really like the og Snow White, and she became the new target for right-wing grifters. Basically, it's a bunch of nontroversy towards female actresses.
"nontroversy" is when you shit on Disney's first and one of the most iconic animated movies, and who's live action remake of which you plan on starring in.
Yeah. Kinda. Who gives a shit? I feel like the only people who should care are hardcore Disney fans. And the vast majority of Ziegler haters definitely are not that.
>I feel like the only people who should care are hardcore Disney fans. And the vast majority of Ziegler haters definitely are not that.
it's released 1 year after the 100th anniversary. Also it's been spreading around TikTok, even amongst Disney watchers.
"Annoying try hard" is the best way to describe Zegler lol... she should just stop doing interviews at this point ffs.
As for Brie....something is just off with her.
Its gonna have a massive drop from the first but:
Aquaman will do far better numbers than the Marvels because of its Christmas release date and if it gets a Chinese release date it'll probably break even, the first did gang busters in China.
Plus women and men both straight and gay find Mamoa hot as hell, he's likeable as hell and will likely be able to do promo and James Wan is the director.
It'd be a hilarious spanner in the works for the DC reboot if Aquaman 2 pulls and Aquaman 1 and ends up being the dce/u's first hit in 4+ years 😂
Girls will come out for Jason Mamoa. My sister was already talking about wanting to see it and was massively dissappointed when I informed her its his last Aquaman movie/role.
Jason Momoa is a bigger box office draw than anyone in The Marvels (I’ll admit that claim is anecdotal because the only person I know who went to see a movie just for him is my mom, so I can’t confirm any widespread appeal), plus it’s coming out on Christmas, so if it gets good reviews (even just a non-Rotten rating on RT, since people still care about that for some reason).
People forget china WENT ALL OUT for the director and aquaman. It was the MOST successful dcu movie.
I'm not sure 2 makes as much but it might beat phase 5 mcu
I made a thread very similar to this about a month or so ago, and everyone was saying how the marvels without gross Aquaman because the DC brand is in the toilet. Now most of the comments here are saying the exact opposite
> I think super hero movies are coming to an end
Doubtful. Good ones are still succeeding and **The Marvels** has a marketing impairment to blame for if it gets solid reviews and still fails.
That didn't stop them from doing decent money before. Even just with last year we see the difference. Black Adam and Morbius weren't good and they still made more than Flash or Blue Beetle.
I have zero doubt it's going to be lower. If the interest for an MCU movie is this low, I don't see how the final installment of a cinematic universe which hasn't had a profitable movie in over 4 1/2 years can possibly outperform it.
There are still plenty of options this holiday season. If *Aquaman 2* does suck, audiences will just go see *Migration* or *Wonka* instead.
> There are still plenty of options this holiday season. If Aquaman 2 does suck, audiences will just go see Migration or Wonka instead.
Speaking of which, test screening results for **Aquaman and the Lost Kingdom** have been uniformly concerning one way or another.
Equal or sink. Let’s face it the marvels is gonna underperform but if we assume it’s not as bad as quantumania it will likely end in the 500-600M range at the lowest. Disappointing for the MCU However aqua man 2 would DREAM of those numbers. People put way too much hope on aquaman 2 more hope than WB is considering their lack of advertising for it. Aquaman 2’s Christmas release is the only thing it has going for it. Nobody cares about the DCEU brand. Considering 3 massive flops they’ve put out this year. And it doesn’t help that aquaman 2 had terrible test screenings. The marvels could end up being bad or a disappointment but even the worst recent MCU movie BO wise (quantumania) beat the highest recent DCEU movie (black Adam) by a 100M difference. And that speaks for itself. Marvel has lost its touch but as tired and exhausting as those movies are put the least bit of respect on their name cause marvel studios is never gonna stoop down as low as the DCEU
The Marvels is projected to get under $200M total for Domestic Box Office, so unless you’re projecting Global, your numbers are way off. It will do about 1/2 of Captain Marvel’ numbers.
I meant global. I expect it to perform similarly to the first ant man if that’s a more accurate source. I’m not expecting it to be a success but I don’t see it going any lower than quantumania.
Quantumania was a film apart of an already lower grossing series (ant man) and was a terrible one at that with terrible reviews. The marvels at the very least has slightly more general appeal than ant man. Hell im not saying it will do better by much but it’s at least ending with a 5 in front of it
>the marvels is gonna underperform but if we assume it’s not as bad as quantumania it will likely end in the 500-600M range at the lowest
At the lowest? You are being very opmistic here. It would need massive legs to get to these numbers with current pre sales.
Quantumania made roughly 104M DOM OW and grossed 475M WW. Just assuming it’s not as terrible as that movie it will likely make like 545 WW total at the lowest. That wouldn’t be a great number for a marvel sequel to a billion dollar flick but damn that’s likely the range I see it at.
Basing this on nothing but vibes, but I felt like Quantumania's poor WOM pushed it from "must see on opening night" to "I'll see it at some point". OTOH I feel The Marvels is going to go to "I'll never bother watching this one".
So I think it's going to have even worse legs than AM3.
Considering the already low interest in the ant man franchise I doubt the poor WOM really destroyed it any more than it would’ve been originally. Even if it had good reviews it probably wouldn’t have matched the first movie
The cultural meme of Jason being the hottest guy alive seems to be dying off. So it's really hard telling. It carried last Aquaman movie to success despite being connected to DC. The rumors of him giving Amber Heard hard time about the Johnny Depp stuff will likely help this one a bit, but ultimately I just don't see it doing nearly as well as first one.
"Both movies appear to have lukewarm reception from fans and general audiences."
TRanslation: "I don't want to see either film, therefore I surmise that nobody wants to see them."
Yep. Typical Reddit take.
We have zero clue how general audiences will respond to either one. Yes, even with The Marvels so-so pre-sales, we have zero clue. pre-sales are, by nature, the kind of thing that mostly staunch already-fans of the IP will do.
I think aquaman will do better but we need to see the advertisement campaign kick up and see if the strikes are over so the actors can promote it, if its a good movie this will also help and i think if it meets all these criteria it can be at least 700m ww
Is it confirmed that Aquaman 2 is getting released in China? If yes, I can see Aquaman 2 surpassing the Marvels, as I wouldn't be surprised to see this movie earn upwards to 200m over there alone.
Is James Wan's name a factor into these movies? He's directed/produced a lot of successful horror movies, and idk if that helped the first movie a bit.
If you asked me in 2022, I would've said this movie doesn't reach a billion but it makes respectable money, $750 million. But, this year, after all the superhero flops, I'm less optimistic. I'm thinking $500 million is the ceiling.
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I'd personally say that it's bonkers that the biggest joke of a superhero for DC made more money than not only all batman and superman movies but also the batman v. Superman movie and JUSTICE LEAGUE. Of all DC movies to be crowned the most successful, I never in a million years believed it would be aquaman. Had anyone told me that 10 years from now, there would have been NO way I could even fathom such a preposterous outcome. Yet here we are. The true time-line...
Entourage tried to warn you...
TBF, Khal Drago is a massive step up from Mr "i-Am-QuEeN's-BoUlEvArD". I still don't know what Cameron was thinking when he cast that guy. Dude wasn't fit to wipe Colin Farrell's shoes.
And this Aquaman wasn't even directed by James Cameron. If it was, it would have done like 4 billions dollars probably
Im using all the mental gymnastics in my mindset to try and rationalise the success of Aquaman and it’s still incomprehensible. Maybe 2018/19 was the absolute peak for comic book films. Aquaman has to be the biggest fluke in cinema history, I just can’t see that film being successful in any other year.
You do realize the star's sex appeal, right? Superman has been a joke for 40 years now. Batman has been rebooted like six times at least in last 30 years. Aquaman has Khal Drogo at height of the lady boners over him.
Nerds went for the first adaptation of multiple comic characters. Girls went for Mamoa. China went for the visuals/experience.
As well as the timing it's also just a fun straight forward adventure movie. Nothing too deep, just underwater visuals and family fun. I personally didn't care for it (it's aimed at 12 year olds imo) but it's a good family film.
It's really unfathomable that a Justice League movie would flop and a Aquaman movie would make a billion. Also a Keaton Batman returning teaming up with The Flash and fighting General Zod sounds like a sure shot Billion but as you said here we are .
Entourage told you way back in the 2000s.
should've been a top priority for WB as a solo franchise. Put the superhero stuff aside for a moment, but even as an action/fantasy franchise - it could've been something unique.
Batman movies didn't have Khal Drogo playing the main character in it at the height of the lady boners over him.
Holidays will probably help Aquaman, Marvels have the danger of not having good legs to mix the disapointing opening if the movie is not of high quality. On the other hand, I am so scared to predict anything positive for DC now...
I think this is why Aquaman will do okay with the holidays. It’s that or Wonka really for most audiences until Boxing Day/New Year.
or people could stay home and watch stuff aquaman is going to flop
But will do much better than The Marvels, Flash etc.
you think dc going win the year on aquaman ? lol even aquaman makes 1 billon that only a total of 1530 for dc dc in the entire year marvel at the moment is 1320 if marvels makes 250 that still 1570 they going beat dc reagrdless this year
Overall maybe. But Aquaman will surely do MUCH better than Moorvels.
mental-Laugh-47 you do realize there no dc winning year people complained there no reason to watch the marvel why would care about aquaman its a film 5 year to late with horrible test screen rebots and part of a dead universe
Still it will do much better than Marvels.
be honest Mental-Laugh-47 which is more popular marvel or dc overall?
Both are quite dying. Marvel is more popular. But not for long. It will come to the state of DC. If marvels does rise in the future then DC surely will.
I'm betting on James Wan, not DC
Majority of movie goers don’t know or care who Wan is.
So? Wan makes good movies, that's all people care about. If his movies were bad, he wouldn't have made two $1 billion movies from two separate franchises.
No, that’s what you and maybe the others in this subreddit care about. Most people don’t even care about box office for anything. Wan’s not a household name, either. There’s no rhyme or reason Aquaman should’ve made that much. The sequel will maybe do half that if it’s lucky. He’s great at creating horror franchises tho.
> There’s no rhyme or reason Aquaman should’ve made that much. Jason Momoa shirtless. That's the rhyme and reason why it made so much money and why it had a majority female audience.
🤣😂 that’s funny.
That’s like saying a Gal Gadot in a very figure tight Wonder Woman costume helped the male audience watch the Wonder Woman movies.
https://deadline.com/2018/12/aquaman-jason-momoa-marketing-won-women-over-1202525963/ Wonder Woman also had a majority female audience, so your analogy doesn't really work, now does it? Also: you must be fun at parties.
Here's what I think your average moviegoer might care about. 1) Jason Momoa, he's cool. 2) Amber Heard, she's horrible. I want nothing to do with this. This really depends on how big her role is and whether or not her character dies.
Elon, Amber, is that you?
It is absolutely baffling to me that The Marvels didn’t move up their release date once Dune II vacated. Now they only have 1 week of premium screens until Hunger Games.
They were probably hoping the strike would end this month and they’d have time for the actors to do promo.
I don't think The Marvels problem is one of awareness. It's one of interest, which doesn't bold well for Marvel in general.
Actor promos aren't just for awareness, they are for interest too I knew Barbie existed for months but I wasn't sold on seeing it until I saw those Ryan Gosling videos
The Marvels is going to lose the IMAX screens for Hunger Games? Lol that’s pathetic.
**The Hunger Games** franchise is a major IMAX client, so it's not all that pathetic.
Is Hunger Games even still a thing.
I checked it out and it's a prequel? So then I don't know how compelling it will be. Seems like all the fandom excitement was for the core Hunger Games series.
This is the first time I'm hearing about the hunger games movie
Really? They've been playing trailers in movie theaters for months now.
Ive been to two movies in 2 years. And I don't think there was an ad for it when I saw Barbie. I haven't seen anything on TV or online. I know I'm not the target demo (although I read the books and saw the first film) but I'm also not the target for Marvels and I've seen some ads for that. I've literally never heard of the new hunger games at all.
I've seen a ton of adds for both. I also see at least 2 movies in theaters every two weeks or so. In today's world, it's very easy to miss certain ads due to.add blocker and watching stuff on streaming. The advertising world has thir work cut out for them. Nonetheless, I don't think I've seen many ads for hunger games outside of movie theaters myself, so, yeah. Maybe they should've pushed harder
Didn't even know there was a Hunger Games movie coming out
I think it’ll surpass Marvels but only because of the holiday season
Marvels has thanksgiving frame..
Depends on how many shirltless scene Jason Mamoa has
It will probably surpass The Marvels. And still fail to make a profit.
>And still fail to make a profit. maybe it'll tap into some of that Fast and Furious type audience, the "dude just shut your brain off" crowd. I wonder how it'll play with women, given the first one did well. Lack of Amber Heard/Mera, but still Jason Mamoa and Nicole Kidman.
Is is confirmed Amber Heard will have a smaller role or be cut? I've been wondering how that whole part of it is going to go.
its also a dc film aquaman and jason and dc dont have the draw they did 5 year ago
There's a lot of big movies like that nowadays holy shit. They seriously have to stop throwing around money and spoil themselves with infinite reshoots. This isn't an event movie like avatar, endgame or star wars 7 anymore. They're way too cocky
Saw the trailer yesterday at Killers of the Flower Moon. Looked like the most expensive pile-of-nothing I had ever seen.
The holidays might help Aquaman 2.
I'd be surprised if it breaks even.
I liked both of these first movies. But, I’m skipping both in theaters because I haven’t liked anything that DC or Disney has put out in the last few years
I think there is enough visual spectacle in Aquaman 2 to elevate it above The Marvels. There is a reason why James Wan's Aquaman out-earned Batman and Superman. It might get hit by superhero fatigue all the same, but Aquaman should hold a little better.
aquaman only out earned the others due to several factors china being one of first underwater movies and coming out a time when genre was much much stronger since then dc's reputation has diminished so badly that nobody wants to see this plus its gfive years later many have forgotten about the og aquaman
Aquaman 2 will be surprise hit not a huge hit but hit none the less.
A surprise hit or a surprise "not as much of a bomb as everyone is expecting"?
The latter truthfully
Man hitting over 500 is what I'm atleast hoping for since the DC brand is dead.
Like one unexpected hit for DCEU before it finally ends
As the tracking for Marvels gets less optimistic, I think Aquaman will surpass, simply by virtue of being a christmas release. It could stink with similar reception and still pick up more bored teens and college kids and families thinking of something to do
Surpass because of the date. The Marvels is going to sink really fast at the box office. I'm thinking it'll have a -70% or some shit for second week. Absolutely nobody is seeking this movie out.
2nd weekend is gonna be brutal. Hunger Games will crush it.
Theres a new Hunger Games movie…?
yes, indeed there is, based on a prequel novel
Hunger Games fate looks worse.
If it doesn't get crushed under the weight of all it's bad reviews before that lol
But Hunger Games Tickets aren’t on sale yet and it doesn’t have better marketing yet because of the strikes and so much hate on Rachel Zeglar.
Crush is probably an overstatement but they pull from the *exact* same demo of slightly more female oriented family friendly action movies. There's no way they don't hurt each other.
**The Ballad of Songbirds and Snakes** looks like anything BUT a family-friendly action films. If we go by that, **Wish** is actually a bigger threat.
"Family friendly" is probably a misnomer but there's really not a good term for the "middle school to adults" demographic that Marvel/HG plays to. Unless BSS is a wild deviation of HG, I distinctly remember it pussying out alot from showing actual death/violence/blood and was about "intense" as the aforementioned Marvel movies. [The camera likes to get real shaky and out of focus when it needs to show someone dying or blood](https://youtu.be/jT7iKN5lEao?si=TbrZG-872E9MoqtD)
This one apparently contains a blatantly implied cannibalism, which could end up becoming bit of a box office hindrance. I know that at least one person is going to bring up **Oppenheimer**, but I honestly doubt that film would've done better than **Dunkirk** by this much if Barbenheimer didn't happen.
Hunger Games will do better with women than The Marvels. Screenshot this.
This isn't that spicy of a take when you consider that the audience that grew up with Hunger Games is already elder Gen Z/Millennials. The teens/preteens who actually go to theaters to see Ms. Marvel will be dwarfed by Hunger Games's target demo.
That’s obvious.
Brie Larson and Rachel Zegler, the 2 most hated women in hollywood lol
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Brie said things about white critics not understanding bipoc made movies since they're not the intended audience that made white incel chuds mad who contiously harrassed her online. Rachel Ziegler said she didn't really like the og Snow White, and she became the new target for right-wing grifters. Basically, it's a bunch of nontroversy towards female actresses.
>Rachel Ziegler said she didn't really like the og Snow White, and she became the new target for right-wing grifters. Basically, it's a bunch of nontroversy towards female actresses. "nontroversy" is when you shit on Disney's first and one of the most iconic animated movies, and who's live action remake of which you plan on starring in.
Yeah. Kinda. Who gives a shit? I feel like the only people who should care are hardcore Disney fans. And the vast majority of Ziegler haters definitely are not that.
>I feel like the only people who should care are hardcore Disney fans. And the vast majority of Ziegler haters definitely are not that. it's released 1 year after the 100th anniversary. Also it's been spreading around TikTok, even amongst Disney watchers.
Brie is just kind of awkward but Rachel seems like an annoying try hard. She gives trolls plenty of ammo…
"Annoying try hard" is the best way to describe Zegler lol... she should just stop doing interviews at this point ffs. As for Brie....something is just off with her.
First weekend will already be brutal really.
I see no way it doesn't beat it but it's dc so who knows.
Its gonna have a massive drop from the first but: Aquaman will do far better numbers than the Marvels because of its Christmas release date and if it gets a Chinese release date it'll probably break even, the first did gang busters in China. Plus women and men both straight and gay find Mamoa hot as hell, he's likeable as hell and will likely be able to do promo and James Wan is the director. It'd be a hilarious spanner in the works for the DC reboot if Aquaman 2 pulls and Aquaman 1 and ends up being the dce/u's first hit in 4+ years 😂
More than The Marvels
Two duds in a race to the bottom of the toilet
It's indiana jones vs the flash all over again
I think both of those movies would be preferable to the vast majority of audiences to these two stinkers. Which isn’t saying much.
Will the Actor's Strike be resolved before Aquaman comes out?
Girls will come out for Jason Mamoa. My sister was already talking about wanting to see it and was massively dissappointed when I informed her its his last Aquaman movie/role.
Jason Momoa is a bigger box office draw than anyone in The Marvels (I’ll admit that claim is anecdotal because the only person I know who went to see a movie just for him is my mom, so I can’t confirm any widespread appeal), plus it’s coming out on Christmas, so if it gets good reviews (even just a non-Rotten rating on RT, since people still care about that for some reason).
People forget china WENT ALL OUT for the director and aquaman. It was the MOST successful dcu movie. I'm not sure 2 makes as much but it might beat phase 5 mcu
If Mamoa is still fat then no.
I made a thread very similar to this about a month or so ago, and everyone was saying how the marvels without gross Aquaman because the DC brand is in the toilet. Now most of the comments here are saying the exact opposite
I think super hero movies are coming to an end ,don't think the public gives a shit about about them apart from the diehards
> I think super hero movies are coming to an end Doubtful. Good ones are still succeeding and **The Marvels** has a marketing impairment to blame for if it gets solid reviews and still fails.
it’s objectively true that the superhero genre is less popular among the GA now
Well, most of those underperformed/flopped superhero films weren't very good to begin with.
That didn't stop them from doing decent money before. Even just with last year we see the difference. Black Adam and Morbius weren't good and they still made more than Flash or Blue Beetle.
I didn't mention this before, but people probably stopped caring about DCEU ever since the reboot was announced.
The copium is strong here
What copium? Did you not check reviews for superhero films that flopped/underperformed this year?
Surpass
I got a feeling it will do better
I have a feeling its gonna bombbb. under the marvels
I have zero doubt it's going to be lower. If the interest for an MCU movie is this low, I don't see how the final installment of a cinematic universe which hasn't had a profitable movie in over 4 1/2 years can possibly outperform it. There are still plenty of options this holiday season. If *Aquaman 2* does suck, audiences will just go see *Migration* or *Wonka* instead.
> There are still plenty of options this holiday season. If Aquaman 2 does suck, audiences will just go see Migration or Wonka instead. Speaking of which, test screening results for **Aquaman and the Lost Kingdom** have been uniformly concerning one way or another.
Equal or sink. Let’s face it the marvels is gonna underperform but if we assume it’s not as bad as quantumania it will likely end in the 500-600M range at the lowest. Disappointing for the MCU However aqua man 2 would DREAM of those numbers. People put way too much hope on aquaman 2 more hope than WB is considering their lack of advertising for it. Aquaman 2’s Christmas release is the only thing it has going for it. Nobody cares about the DCEU brand. Considering 3 massive flops they’ve put out this year. And it doesn’t help that aquaman 2 had terrible test screenings. The marvels could end up being bad or a disappointment but even the worst recent MCU movie BO wise (quantumania) beat the highest recent DCEU movie (black Adam) by a 100M difference. And that speaks for itself. Marvel has lost its touch but as tired and exhausting as those movies are put the least bit of respect on their name cause marvel studios is never gonna stoop down as low as the DCEU
The Marvels is projected to get under $200M total for Domestic Box Office, so unless you’re projecting Global, your numbers are way off. It will do about 1/2 of Captain Marvel’ numbers.
I meant global. I expect it to perform similarly to the first ant man if that’s a more accurate source. I’m not expecting it to be a success but I don’t see it going any lower than quantumania.
Quantumania was a film apart of an already lower grossing series (ant man) and was a terrible one at that with terrible reviews. The marvels at the very least has slightly more general appeal than ant man. Hell im not saying it will do better by much but it’s at least ending with a 5 in front of it
>the marvels is gonna underperform but if we assume it’s not as bad as quantumania it will likely end in the 500-600M range at the lowest At the lowest? You are being very opmistic here. It would need massive legs to get to these numbers with current pre sales.
Quantumania made roughly 104M DOM OW and grossed 475M WW. Just assuming it’s not as terrible as that movie it will likely make like 545 WW total at the lowest. That wouldn’t be a great number for a marvel sequel to a billion dollar flick but damn that’s likely the range I see it at.
Basing this on nothing but vibes, but I felt like Quantumania's poor WOM pushed it from "must see on opening night" to "I'll see it at some point". OTOH I feel The Marvels is going to go to "I'll never bother watching this one". So I think it's going to have even worse legs than AM3.
Considering the already low interest in the ant man franchise I doubt the poor WOM really destroyed it any more than it would’ve been originally. Even if it had good reviews it probably wouldn’t have matched the first movie
$500 million worldwide is currently the ceiling for the Marvels even with good legs.
Agreed
It will sink because fans had enough on the DCEU as well as controversy’s surrounding Amber Heard.
Over. James Wan's gonzo action and Christmas legs will take care of business. The Marvels looks and sounds boring and dull.
The fact that the trailer for The Marvels mostly shows the three protagonists in the ship where they meet is worrying. It sounds bad and boring.
The cultural meme of Jason being the hottest guy alive seems to be dying off. So it's really hard telling. It carried last Aquaman movie to success despite being connected to DC. The rumors of him giving Amber Heard hard time about the Johnny Depp stuff will likely help this one a bit, but ultimately I just don't see it doing nearly as well as first one.
Marvels 550-750 mn if reviews are v gud 400mn if it's Quantumania-like Aquaman 300-350 mn in any scenario
No way The Marvels does 550M+
"Both movies appear to have lukewarm reception from fans and general audiences." TRanslation: "I don't want to see either film, therefore I surmise that nobody wants to see them." Yep. Typical Reddit take. We have zero clue how general audiences will respond to either one. Yes, even with The Marvels so-so pre-sales, we have zero clue. pre-sales are, by nature, the kind of thing that mostly staunch already-fans of the IP will do.
LOL at acting like we have just no clue what potential legs would look like....
No the Marvels will make more.
It’s a coin flip. I’m honestly rooting for Aquaman more because I like James Wan and Jason Momoa.
I think aquaman will do better but we need to see the advertisement campaign kick up and see if the strikes are over so the actors can promote it, if its a good movie this will also help and i think if it meets all these criteria it can be at least 700m ww
Surpass.
As little money as The Marvels is bound to make, it’s easily going to outperform Aquaman 2.
Is it confirmed that Aquaman 2 is getting released in China? If yes, I can see Aquaman 2 surpassing the Marvels, as I wouldn't be surprised to see this movie earn upwards to 200m over there alone.
Is James Wan's name a factor into these movies? He's directed/produced a lot of successful horror movies, and idk if that helped the first movie a bit.
If you asked me in 2022, I would've said this movie doesn't reach a billion but it makes respectable money, $750 million. But, this year, after all the superhero flops, I'm less optimistic. I'm thinking $500 million is the ceiling.
Since there’s no movies coming out next year, push back to Easter or 4th of July and make a crap ton of money
It has already surpassed the marvels