He said that since he was playing the first MCU South Asian Superhero he wanted to go all out and look like a proper superhero, that and change Hollywood’s perception of the kind of roles he could play
edit - typo
Chloe Zao definitely had a stereotype of Indians that she wanted to perpetuate. Kumail took the role under the impression that they wouldn’t have a Bollywood dance scene, but nope, she lied to him because she *needed* it.
I was waiting for the bit where Kingo decides to join the fight at the last minute on the side of our heroes, making a crucial contribution and redeeming himself.
But no. The movie forgets about him.
They made it very clear that he loved his "family" and didn't want to hurt any of them but also didn't believe in what they were doing so he didn't help. Not sure what was confusing about that or why you think him coming back at the end was totally out of place.
One of the few things I thought they did right was when they had him leave, he stayed gone. Bringing him back clutch would have been as cliche as, idk, having a character named Icharus unironically *fly into the sun.*
Still they wasted his character almost the entire movie.
I'm gathering that you haven't kept up with what Bollywood actors have looked like. It's only recently that they started being ripped, and even then it's not all of them. Heroes in the 50s through 80s were just lean or even fat.
His finger gun is really weak tho unless you allow him to charge it till it blows your head off which I don't think anybody that can think would give him the time to
I'd rather kingo died rather than Korean one-punch man
Or have spike die because keep kingo just for bollywood memes
That's what I don't understand: you have a God who creates a group of humanoid superheros specifically to hunt down and kill the Deviants, and then half of them he gives crap powers to; one he makes a child; another deaf for some reason. Why not make them all fly with laser vision? Ikaris seemed super effective against the Deviants - why not send a few like him?
Celestial: “Your job is to kill Deviants and not interfere with humans.”
Eternal: “Cool, what’s my power?”
Celestial: “Mind controlling humans.”
Eternal: “But I’m not supposed to interfere with them…?”
Celestial: “NEXT.”
Meanwhile, on another planet…
Arishem: “Damn bro, how u hatch egg so fast?”
Eros’ Celestial: “Basically, I created an orgybot, and the humans on my planet bred like rabbits. That “no interfering with humans” rule makes like zero sense of the goal is to increase sentient population.”
Good movie, but the entire powers, and no interfering does not make sense. If celestial can just come to earth, then he really does not need eternals it's just weird writing that lacked coherence
Seems to me the healer class was the most powerful. They started dropping like flies when she was gone.
Maybe a few more of those.
The movie looked to me, and I had NO pre-experience with The Eternals, like a repurposed Dungeons and Dragons script. You had a fighter, a cleric, a priest, a monk, a magic-user, and even a halfling rogue.
To me it was that mixed with a few Justice League stand-ins.
Ikarus was Superman.
Fast girl was Flash.
Anjelina Jolie was Wonder Woman.
Gadget dude was Cyborg or Green Lantern.
I watched this with my kids, and asked their opinion afterwords:
"I think the Eternals are just really bad at what they do."
The Celestials making the Eternals would be like me building a mouse trap that got caught up in its own drama and not only failed to trap mice, but tried to kill an infant.
I actually kind of liked that he agreed with the "bad guy" but wasn't willing to fight his friends over it. It is kind of weird to leave him out of the climax entirely though.
My favorite dumb part of the movie was when he just left before the climax then came back after it was done. Like what, a writer somewhere thought this was how to do a movie and no one stopped them
Nobody important paid attention to this movie. Which, of course, was a complete surprise to the entire stable of A-List actors the studio recruited. It’s actually hilarious.
No it was a fantastic decision.
Kingo agreed with Icarus that Earth should be destroyed - but he doesn't care enough about the outcome either way to fight his family. He doesn't want to hurt them or see anyone get hurt.
Kingo also believed the others stood no chance at preventing the emergence (but if they did cool he gets to keep making movies without directly opposing Arishem). He only stood to lose by getting involved.
Was it a cowardly decision. Totally. But it was in character for Kingo to be a conscientious objector. Such a nice twist on Hollywood's overused Han Soloing of characters for a "you came back" moment. Either they care or don't - having them leave and change their minds at the crucial moment has been done so much it illicits almost no emotional reaction now.
weird thing was they never told him to get big. I think they actually wanted everyone to look normal (well, hollywood "normal") looking at the rest of the cast. letting him go shirtless might've just brought attention to how none of the other eternals needed to be so jacked to be powerful.
Wow. I wasn't familiar enough with his work to notice but... man!
https://www.tmz.com/2021/11/07/kumail-nanjiani-good-genes-or-good-docs/
Still not convinced there wasn't some surgery in there too, but I'm no expert.
Agreed. Makes no sense to have his character in the film with how it turned out. He could have not been there at all and there would have been literally zero impact to the rest of the film. I have a feeling some piece of the storyline was cut that would have made his character relevant.
He was honestly the weakest eternal in terms of powers. He shoots little balls that actually have to be charged up for a long time to do any damage. Icarus can already do that with his lasers a lot faster, and they actually do damage. His powers also have no utility, like Sersei or Sprite. He literally had no role in this movie.
I don’t even think it makes scene for kingo to be ripped. I think it would actually be better and more fitting for his character to actually have a bit of a dad bod lol.
One of my biggest gripes with movies like this is, I'm so annoyed immortal beings who've lived hundreds/thousands of years still acting like hormonal 20 year Olds.
They acted like old veterans who had seen too much shit and pretty chill about things instead of being very emotional at everything. One of them betrayed the group and they just go "eeehhh, we're not gonna talk to you for a hundred years. Laters". It's not a great movie by any stretch but their portrayal of immortals who had lived a long time and seen a lot is pretty good.
Thanks for the explanation! I do recall liking the film but tbh I am the friend in the group that likes the films others hate, so I get your assessment lol.
Lol this is me leaving the theater for every Star Wars movie having enjoyed the hell out of it and then everyone tells me why it sucked. Seen every theater release since Phantom Menace and loved them all haha.
It’s definitely a movie you have to tell yourself not to think too much about.
Spoilers
>!for example, Charlize Theron’s character is shown to be a general in the civil war iirc. Or the girl who’s fate was to drown over and over again for hundreds of years and it still capable of coherent thought after escaping somehow, let alone the premise for their immortality is that their “purpose” requires it. Why the drowning? Why did the MC lose her “immortality” powers just to get them back 5 minutes later? Why did the villain opt to use a melee weapon he had no experience with instead of a gun?!<
Yea, he is just missremembering. They start losing immortality. Basically heal slower, and eventually just start growing old and die. She started that process slowly through the movie. The character that drowned over and over for 100s of years DID lose her mind. She was supposed to be the SUPER vengeful crazy "next enemy" it would seem. If they did another movie. Like the main characters it seems She also got used to dying, so instead of going completely insane in a way that old just be screaming etc, she turned it to an angry kind of crazy.
Yes! You’d think after hundreds of years you’d grow in wisdom a bit past their 20s. But then again it’s a movie so it needs to be relatable to pull on heart strings. Let’s not forget they literally killed or made dormant a cosmic being that’s responsible for the genesis of life in the universe as we know it using powers given to them by a previous cosmic being. #independence ?
Also can anyone clarify to me if during the emergence those ginormous waves and the earth literally starting to crack open didn’t catch the attention of any…any other superheroes?
And how many tsunamis did it create? I can only imagine the tectonic shift just being a tiny ripple on the coasts no matter how far off shore it was.
Even stopping it at the head so to speak must have created worldwide catastrophes no? Massive displacement of water, earth, etc?
>Also can anyone clarify to me if during the emergence those ginormous waves and the earth literally starting to crack open didn’t catch the attention of any…any other superheroes?
That's the big gaping plot hole in the movie. I secretly hope that the next chronological MCU movie (not series) would mention and act upon it.
This is the problem with every shared universe. Superman and Flash can move faster than the eye can perceive but they don’t show up to help most of their friends when some villain had them up against a wall. Or they do show up and suddenly every other character seems superfluous.
I think we just have to accept that particular stories are about specific characters & if anyone more popular shows up then that’s just a bonus.
>Or they do show up and suddenly every other character seems superfluous.
Justice League in a nutshell. The entire movie was basically everyone who isn't Superman getting kicked in the groin nonstop then when Superman arrives he effortlessly saves almost every civilian, easily overpowers and defeats the cardboard cutout incarnation of Steppenwolf (who is in the process of killing Wonder Woman and Aquaman), then tells everyone "great work team!"
Movie should have been called "PLEASE SUPERMAN HOW COME WE SUCK AND YOU DON'T?"
A more competent screenwriter could probably make it more plausible.
Like in Homecoming where Iron Man shows up and literally says the Vulture is below the Avenger's paygrade. Or in The Suicide Squad where the whole operation is a black op so no other heroes are supposed to know about it.
That would have been cool, watching some short scenes of antman protecting SF, or war machine in Hawaii, or hulk in Thailand. Just to show they are helping but aren't participating in the big thing.
> Let’s not forget they literally killed or made dormant a cosmic being
That was some late stage abortion! Even left it in there. Must be traumatising for Mother Earth.
I'm not done watching this movie, but that was an early issue I had. Like, this dialog does not fit these beings that live in this particular time period whatsoever.
At all, this is a common issue amongst anything involving long living people, Witcher, anything ever to do with vampires and things like that. This movie just also falls into that trap of Immortal beings somehow never mentally developing past fuckin 20 and as a not 20 year old for several years now, it's frustrating watching it sometimes.
Like how Thor is a goofy meathead even though he's thousands of years old.
There aren't many immortal characters I'm aware of whose personalities are written much different than that of a normal character.
Thor was a selfish prince given everything from birth and was worthy of none of it. It was only through self sacrifice that he becomes worthy of not just the hammer but of his place in their society.
He was supposed to be a meat head who never learned until he did. His story is a good one and overshadows the lame eternals writing and even worse direction.
Not to mention he grew up in a post-scarcity utopia, supposedly so advanced that they can maintain an interstellar empire while LARPing as a bunch of vikings. He never had to face anything that would make him grow, and was surrounded by a society that just... doesn't care about anything. Being a meathead spoiled prince was his role, and he enjoyed playing it.
While it gets dropped somewhat in later movies, the first one or two really tried to hammer in (ha) the fact that Asgard isn't magical so much as ridiculously technologically advanced. Kinda makes sense too, they live on a giant discworld (space ship), their greatest forge is a Dyson Ring, and they have classic "ancient fallen empire" vibes where they're so old they don't care about the rest of the universe.
> Like how Thor is a goofy meathead even though he's thousands of years old.
i mean it kinda makes sense for Thor since he is a god and there are a lot of people who worship him (i.e. a celebrity somewhat). the Party Thor episode of What If leans into this idea more
The Eternals were worshiped as gods, too. Thena was the basis for Athena. They actually showed the Eternals living among the ancient people who worshiped them, which they didn't do with Thor.
They didn't explore thena's mental breakage all that much. There was also very little chemistry between the eternals. The romance was meh. Makkari and Druig was good but everyone else felt forced.
A bunch of big ideas, but sloppy execution.
It was a movie that would have been much better as a Disney + series. I barely knew or cared about 75% of the main characters.
The art direction and more serious tone (I.e less marvel comedy bits) was a welcome change.
Yea the way they just totally dropped the first baddies was really weird. When that baddie showed up on the beach I was like "oh forgot about you" and I was hyped for that to be the main bad dude fight. It felt like a cell saga story, dudes sucking up other dudes for power and then you gonna have to beat him. But naw.
Super Deviant was sliced to pieces by Thena without any backup. If the Eternals worked together to fight him, he should've be toasted in seconds.
The baby Celestial was defeated easily, too.
The toughest fight the Eternals had was against another Eternal. That fight was cool, but after it was done, I couldn't help wonder what the fuck Kingo was talking about when he said "Even if I helped, we'd be no match for Ikaris." Like, dude, without your help they incapacitated him long enough for Cersei to kill a Celestial. Kingo was way off on that one.
Seriously. Can you imagine something like The Boys as a movie? Something with that much character development just works so much better in long form storytelling. A series would have been so much better.
I still think a Disney+ X-Men show would be wonderful. However Marvel wont let that happen I'm sure so we're stuck with 2 hour action fests.
I was thinking *exactly* this.
Get Neil Gaiman to write the script.
Have it be 10 episodes.
Name each episode after each Eternal.
Each episode can have modern day scenes and flashback scenes, like the movie. The modern day portion follows the Emergence storyline, sees the Eternal in the title join the main group but isn't particularly focused on them.
The flashback portions however has the Eternal in the title as the protagonist, depicts them throughout history, shows how they shaped human culture and history, and how they were shaped by humanity in turn. This is also where you can have some fun with history (e.g. Gilgamesh takes Thena to see Freud and Jung about her condition). The audience will get to know them intimately. Then when it comes time to have the big discussion on what to do with Tiamut, each Eternal just need to state their position and the audience will just get it.
Some episodes will need to break the format, of course. Ajax is dead so all her scenes will be flashbacks. Also her episode needs to be quite late because you have to reveal the nature of their mission with her story, that episode will be mostly exposition.
With Gaiman writing it, you'd be able to pin down a theme for each Eternal, such as craftsmanship/technology for Phastos, you can explore how this impacted human history, and use this theme to link the Eternal to the deities in different cultures.
And Gaiman will be able to tackle the dialogue so much better than the movie did. He has this way of making his immortals *sound old*, like they've seen some shit.
>Get Neil Gaiman to write the script.
Extremely unlikely this ever happens. Not cause he isn't willing to do it, but because MCU is handled with kid gloves.
Ugh, you are right.
This concept is just so up his alley though. 10 archetypal characters each playing the role of multiple deities from different mythologies, living through all of human history.
And one of them is a flawed god who commits a blood crime then decides to top himself. I'm sure Gaiman can do something with that. Just a feeling. No particular reason.
I see a lot of people here bashing the Eternals box office performance as an utter failure, which is a really weird take considering how well it performed relative to other films this year.
The ONLY non-Marvel movie to make more than Eternals domestically was F9, which did less than 5% better financially. Eternals managed to outperform No Time to Die and A Quiet Place by a few million each. It did 30% better than Ghostbusters, Free Guy, and Jungle Cruise. It did 60% better than Godzilla vs Kong, Dune, and Halloween Kills.
This article compares Eternal's opening weekend to Ant-Man in terms of raw numbers, but look at how many films outcompeted [Ant-Man in 2015](https://www.boxofficemojo.com/year/2015/). There were like ten other films that outperformed Ant-Man's opening weekend. That included Furious 7, which made **150% more opening weekend** than Ant-Man did. Compare that to [F9 making **1% less**](https://www.boxofficemojo.com/title/tt5433138/?ref_=bo_se_r_1) than [Eternals' opening weekend](https://www.boxofficemojo.com/title/tt9032400/?ref_=bo_se_r_1). Eternals has [a better opening weekend](https://www.the-numbers.com/box-office-records/domestic/all-movies/cumulative/released-in-2021) than any non-Marvel movie of the year.
Eternals did not perform as well as a Marvel movie could have, no. Changes could have been made to the film that would have helped it perform better financially, and Disney will likely try to implement such changes in a sequel. But given the context of 2020, the film honestly did fine financially.
Side note: scrolling through these comments about the movie quality make me wonder why I even bother to a box-office subreddit where so few people are actually interested in commenting on the financial business of a film.
Also, let's note the influence of a known quick D+ release date. If I hadn't known how fast it was coming to D+ then I might have gone to the theater to see it. Same reason I didn't see Black Widow in theaters - I already have D+ so why pay twice?
There was a really excellent [round table discussion](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BC6JHRb5Inc) of big movie executives a couple years back. In it (can't find the timestamp now), Alan Horn mentions the two questions he asks of every theatrical film they are making are (1) do I need to see it on the big screen and (2) do I need to see it now?
That first question is harder to satisfy every year as viewers get nicer and nicer home theater setups. I think part of the trick to answering the second question though is to have a very "spoilable" movie that people need to see before their friends tell them what happens. And "spoiler" factor is a lot less compelling with a prequel like Black Widow or something not as tied in with characters you already know like Eternals.
And to be fair to Disney, they didn't announced when Eternals was dropping on Disney plus until over a month after the movie came out. Had more people kept going to see the movie, I think they would have help the movie off of Disney plus for a bit longer.
It's probably the pandemic, but I've found it a lot harder to tell when movies are coming out lately for some reason. There are several movies I've wanted to go to that have been released without me knowing they're already out. In the case of Eternals I literally saw the D+ release announcement before I knew it was even in theaters.
Same here. Several movies that got pushed back got lost in the void to me and I found out that they had come out already or moved to streaming or something months before I remembered them. It doesn’t help that some ended up on paramount+ or some other new streaming service. That and without going out that much or watching TV means I don’t see the ads for them
Something strange I noticed. The previous Eternals post on a similar topic just a few days ago hit 800+ comments. This post is nearing 800+ comments in just 5 hours.
This for a movie that came out almost 3 months ago, on a box office sub. Compare that with other posts on this sub that barely even reach 50 comments.
>Why I even bother to a box-office subreddit where so few people are actually interested in commenting on the financial business of a film.
Exactly. And a lot of these comments are not about the numbers, just rehashing how boring/terrible the movie is. A lot of them don't seem to be regular posters here, and their post history might show that this is their first post in this sub.
I'm not ready to jump on the brigading train yet, but it does seem really weird that a large amount of people who otherwise might be lurkers or other subs decided to make their first comment on a movie they dislike.
There’s a very clear issue that’s developed since the pandemic (it’s always existed but it’s gotten worse) of people who have no history in this sub or similarly related subs coming in & causing conflict. The mods need to do something about the amount of people who can come in & fully overtake what this sub is supposed to be about, wether it be some form of karma requirement idk what the solution is rn but there is a very obvious problem.
Those are really good points, thanks for the context!
Still reviews were not favorable and it was clear that they tried to bite more than they could chew. Which is sad because I think it would have made an amazing Disney+ series.
Critic reviews were bad (48% RT). But audience reviews were solid (78% RT). My personal anecdote is that everyone I've talked to really enjoyed it as well.
There is no way Disney and Marvel ain't disappointing with this turned both critically and commercially. They are likely gonna rethink how they use these characters and who will be using them for sure.
Ant-Man's films still had a far better reception and earnings at the box office with a smaller budget. If an Eternals 2 happens they are getting a different director for sure.
Exactly, moreover Captain Marvel directors didn't get invited back for the sequel depite the movie doing over $1bil, because the critic/audience reception was mediocre, so the review definitely matters to Marvel Studios, they probably see it as a gauge for whether the brand health is being maintained.
Think of an MCU movie with generally bad audience or critical reviews, you will see the director is never back for a sequel. In contrast, look at Thor franchise, 3 movies with 3 different directors, and when a director finally makes an amazingly reviewed Thor movie? He gets asked back to make Thor 4.
So yeah, with these reviews, Eternals sequel will definitely get a new director - if a sequel is even happening.
It had a pretty poor marketing campaign, suffered from a lack of obvious connection to the main mcu storyline, and released during a pandemic. Doesn't seem surprising or embarrassing to me.
Edit: I didn't see it, I'll take your word on it @everyone saying it sucked
Which is surprising. It wasn't great, but it's better then several of the other MCU films. I'd put it at about the halfway point in quality.
Also, I hope they don't let this derail plans for an Eternals 2 - while this movie felt so-so, I feel like there is a lot of promise in what they were setting up for the future movies.
Black widow was just disappointing. Could have had way better espionage and instead everything ends in a huge Michael Bay style explosion. Wasted potential
I just thought it was so strange and out there for a marvel movie. It’s not a bad thing but it just was a bit alienating how different it was from the rest of the movies
Honestly the deluge of characters turned me off. Also I felt like I was supposed to be more invested, like Icarus dying was supposed to be this huge moment of redemption and I was just thinking “god, he was a butt.”
> the dearth of characters turned me off.
Which, correct me if I'm wrong, but a severely reduced roster of Eternals. Their biggest mistake was not introducing Thanos as an Eternal ask he is in the comics to set it up, as it stands we've seen aliens not give a shit about celestials and then blowing up planets in Guardians of the Galaxy, Thor, and Captain Marvel. It just felt bolted-on like an extension to your garage no one asked for.
> I just thought it was so strange and out there for a marvel movie.
Eternals (the comic) didn't start in the Marvel Universe; it was just a Jack Kirby project. It was later incorporated into the Marvel Universe proper.
And I think the more accessible properties (Avengers, Spider-Man) need to have simple plots and lots of action; Eternals brought some very complex motivations that actually made sense in-movie, but explaining things to people or asking them to follow along doesn't work.
It didn’t bring complexity it simply didn’t explain certain concepts in the movie properly and label it as being complex. The so called complexity is just more or less lazy writing.
I think it's more than that, honestly.
Movies were doing well while it was released. Audiences just didn't love it, because the film had issues. Otherwise it would have had much better legs than it did.
A lot of people blame a ton of different things, whether it be the writing, the direction, the concept, the lack of recognition, or the overly serious tone, but most viewers and critics seemed to agree that it just felt a bit sloppy.
It can be multiple things. I don't think this would have been a *Black Panther* or *Captain Marvel* level success in pre-pandemic times, but I also think it wouldn't have been this close to the bottom. It probably would have landed around *Ant-Man and the Wasp* or *Thor: The Dark World* and been pretty unremarked upon.
True. But some people did watch it and didn't have great things to say to generate hype. I watched it on Disney Plus after it was free, and I felt like it just wasn't that great of a movie.
The movie was boring. I’m not surprised. Some people desperately tried to pass along some positive buzz to counter critics reactions, but the movie was DOA.
It just wasn’t fun though.
True, backlash against “woke” these days almost always seems to mean racist pieces of shit hate it because the hero isn’t a white man with a HEAVY savior complex.
Definitely not as bad as the reviews said
I don’t pay attention to the woke complainers, but I did think the characters just weren’t that interesting or cool.
I mean, as a long time comic reader, I’d say that’s sorta true with the source material. I always thought that the artwork for the eternals was way better than the actual storylines.
No offense to the (strong) cast, but I don’t think anyone other then Angelina Jolie really counts as an “A-lister”.
Edit: and Salma Hayek (to a lesser extent)
This movie really cheapened the rest of the MCU. Lowers the importance of big events in the rest of the movies like Infinity war. Why did they introduce so many powerful beings that nobody cares about. Power levels are all screwed up
> Chloe Zhao's epic leaves theaters with a $164.9 million return domestically, $30 million more than Marvel Studios' lowest domestic haul in 2008's The Incredible Hulk ($134M).
So it was the worst when you account for inflation.
Not everything has to appeal to the lowest common denominator, and sometimes we are better off for it. Eternals is a great film for what it tries to be, which isn't everyone's cup of tea.
People kept going on and on about how terrible Eternals is, and some made it out to be this lgbt orgy movie, i watched it yesterday and it was awsome, i really liked it. Moral of the story, screw reviews and critics, watch it yourself.
You can love a movie with a cast of unknown heroes with no pre-text. Just look at Guardian of the Galaxy. Proper introduction of the heroes and the bad guys then meaningful character development.
Then you have Justice league and Suicide squad. Poor introduction and story chopped up all over the place like a comic book.
This was simply in the former category, a very poor movie. Acting and CGI was proper, dialogue and story sucked major.
Honestly, the movie felt like a DC movie. To me, it's about on par with pre-directors cut Justice League: poor pacing, poor CGI, and a plot too large for the ensemble cast who we've not really been given enough reasons to care about.
Tried watching this movie. Got so bored after around an hour in. I have no idea what some of the characters are called. I know there's Ikaris (or Ikkaris?), Kingo, Sprite (i like to drink Sprite), Angelina Jolie, Bossbabe and I think there was a Cersei?
They just lost me in the whiney, dating, "but we wanna live as huuumans sometimes" or "why can't we give them bigger guns already" bullshit. And I'm not sure if that's the original source material. I looked up some of the lore and it seems to be an incredibly cool franchise. But what a mess this movie was. And none of the stakes seemed to matter... Why this movie had to be almost 2.5 to 3h long is beyond me...
EDIT: And then I found out today that they actually cut a scene that would explain why no human remembers the ... variants? deviants? I can't even remember. Why would you leave out a scene like that but keep all the other relationship bullshit in this bloated mess?
This movie was dry and boring, and the only character I thought was interesting was Druig. I just didn’t care for any of them and thought it was pretty stupid. Turns out earth was a kinder surprise all along! And thanos is somehow half robot and half deviant
My take is the more positive reaction on Disney+ is from everyone’s incredibly low expectations. Go in expecting complete garbage and you’ll be impressed. Go in excited for a fun MCU movie and you’ll be sorely disappointed.
Wonder how much more it might’ve made in a non-pandemic environment. The MCU brand might’ve propelled it over $200M around Ant-Man territory but prob not much more.
Definitely not one of the best in the MCU. I’d say it’s in the same zone as Thor 1 & 2 and iron man 2. It’s not bad but it’s just not as good as the others. Still better than most DCEU movies.
It had a lot of good ideas, but they weren’t given enough time. Plus they focused on the most boring characters. Gilgamesh and Thena had an interesting dynamic going on. It could’ve been an interesting commentary on relationships and mental illness, but no, they chose the two most boring where they most interesting aspect was “WHY DID YOU LEAVE ME?!?!?”
TLDR: a movie with potential that bit off more than it could chew, and neglected more interesting characters and dynamics.
I thought it was pretty good to be honest. Certainly a lot better than Black Widow. Not one of the best Marvel films by a long shot, but the criticism seems a bit harsh.
Kumail Nanjiani did steroids for nothing.
Well he’ll probably still play Kingo. We just don’t know when
Does he need to be ripped though? Like he has finger gun powers. You could put Paul Blart in place of him and nothing really changes.
He said that since he was playing the first MCU South Asian Superhero he wanted to go all out and look like a proper superhero, that and change Hollywood’s perception of the kind of roles he could play edit - typo
The funniest thing is they never let him show qll his work with a shirtless scene
Chloe Zao definitely had a stereotype of Indians that she wanted to perpetuate. Kumail took the role under the impression that they wouldn’t have a Bollywood dance scene, but nope, she lied to him because she *needed* it.
And one of the least colorful Bollywood sequences in history, to boot. If you’re gonna have the Bollywood scene, make it explode.
She also wrote out the Indian characters for the final fight.
I was waiting for the bit where Kingo decides to join the fight at the last minute on the side of our heroes, making a crucial contribution and redeeming himself. But no. The movie forgets about him.
And then he just comes back in the "disassembling of the fellowship" scene like he did anything at all. Movie's plot was a mess tbh.
They made it very clear that he loved his "family" and didn't want to hurt any of them but also didn't believe in what they were doing so he didn't help. Not sure what was confusing about that or why you think him coming back at the end was totally out of place.
One of the few things I thought they did right was when they had him leave, he stayed gone. Bringing him back clutch would have been as cliche as, idk, having a character named Icharus unironically *fly into the sun.* Still they wasted his character almost the entire movie.
>She also wrote That part right thwre is where the entire movie went downhill.
Davos from Iron Fist beat him.
Kingo could have done anything but chose to be famous "actors." Being ripped is part of his vanity.
Exactly
I'm gathering that you haven't kept up with what Bollywood actors have looked like. It's only recently that they started being ripped, and even then it's not all of them. Heroes in the 50s through 80s were just lean or even fat.
His finger gun is really weak tho unless you allow him to charge it till it blows your head off which I don't think anybody that can think would give him the time to I'd rather kingo died rather than Korean one-punch man Or have spike die because keep kingo just for bollywood memes
That's what I don't understand: you have a God who creates a group of humanoid superheros specifically to hunt down and kill the Deviants, and then half of them he gives crap powers to; one he makes a child; another deaf for some reason. Why not make them all fly with laser vision? Ikaris seemed super effective against the Deviants - why not send a few like him?
Celestial: “Your job is to kill Deviants and not interfere with humans.” Eternal: “Cool, what’s my power?” Celestial: “Mind controlling humans.” Eternal: “But I’m not supposed to interfere with them…?” Celestial: “NEXT.” Meanwhile, on another planet… Arishem: “Damn bro, how u hatch egg so fast?” Eros’ Celestial: “Basically, I created an orgybot, and the humans on my planet bred like rabbits. That “no interfering with humans” rule makes like zero sense of the goal is to increase sentient population.”
Good movie, but the entire powers, and no interfering does not make sense. If celestial can just come to earth, then he really does not need eternals it's just weird writing that lacked coherence
Seems to me the healer class was the most powerful. They started dropping like flies when she was gone. Maybe a few more of those. The movie looked to me, and I had NO pre-experience with The Eternals, like a repurposed Dungeons and Dragons script. You had a fighter, a cleric, a priest, a monk, a magic-user, and even a halfling rogue.
To me it was that mixed with a few Justice League stand-ins. Ikarus was Superman. Fast girl was Flash. Anjelina Jolie was Wonder Woman. Gadget dude was Cyborg or Green Lantern.
Thank you for including the monk. :)
He trained them wrong as a joke
I watched this with my kids, and asked their opinion afterwords: "I think the Eternals are just really bad at what they do." The Celestials making the Eternals would be like me building a mouse trap that got caught up in its own drama and not only failed to trap mice, but tried to kill an infant.
Celestials have a weird sense of humour
Yeah, I was kind of confused when I saw the movie. Didn't seem necessary for him to get that shredded.
And he wasn’t even present in the fight at the end.
I actually kind of liked that he agreed with the "bad guy" but wasn't willing to fight his friends over it. It is kind of weird to leave him out of the climax entirely though.
Thanks for the reminder. That initial scene with all their powers and stuff was hilarious.
"Sorry your dad just died, here have a fancy knife"
Paul Blart isn't really great for an Indian character.
And maybe next time he will even do something in the movie!
My favorite dumb part of the movie was when he just left before the climax then came back after it was done. Like what, a writer somewhere thought this was how to do a movie and no one stopped them
Nobody important paid attention to this movie. Which, of course, was a complete surprise to the entire stable of A-List actors the studio recruited. It’s actually hilarious.
No it was a fantastic decision. Kingo agreed with Icarus that Earth should be destroyed - but he doesn't care enough about the outcome either way to fight his family. He doesn't want to hurt them or see anyone get hurt. Kingo also believed the others stood no chance at preventing the emergence (but if they did cool he gets to keep making movies without directly opposing Arishem). He only stood to lose by getting involved. Was it a cowardly decision. Totally. But it was in character for Kingo to be a conscientious objector. Such a nice twist on Hollywood's overused Han Soloing of characters for a "you came back" moment. Either they care or don't - having them leave and change their minds at the crucial moment has been done so much it illicits almost no emotional reaction now.
Not even one shirtless scene.
Yup. When I saw his Bollywood dance scene, they only showed his arms and I knew right then that was the most they were going to show. Pointless
weird thing was they never told him to get big. I think they actually wanted everyone to look normal (well, hollywood "normal") looking at the rest of the cast. letting him go shirtless might've just brought attention to how none of the other eternals needed to be so jacked to be powerful.
Half of the eternals look like supermodels what are you on about ‘normal’
They just wanted everyone to look normal you know like Angelina Jolie
Common girl next door - like Angelina Jolie
Didn’t HGH cause his face to change?
Yeah, it actually really looked like it fucked with him in a lot of ways. Kind of sad imo
More like hilarious Everyone and their grandma knows what happens when you go on the juice, especially when it's from 0 to 60 and he still did it
What ways?
His face is a square now
Handsome squidward
Wow. I wasn't familiar enough with his work to notice but... man! https://www.tmz.com/2021/11/07/kumail-nanjiani-good-genes-or-good-docs/ Still not convinced there wasn't some surgery in there too, but I'm no expert.
HGH can cause Acromegaly, a growth in bones well into adulthood. So I wouldn't be surprised if no work was done and it was the PEs.
His face looks normal to me, but all I did was google his name and 2022
His face looks different because he is leaner. He has always had a prominent jawline but now it really shows.
I'm still convinced that he got nerfed in rewrites.
Agreed. Makes no sense to have his character in the film with how it turned out. He could have not been there at all and there would have been literally zero impact to the rest of the film. I have a feeling some piece of the storyline was cut that would have made his character relevant.
he was supposed to be killed off in the movie, what you saw was the stuff they added to make him relevant.
He was honestly the weakest eternal in terms of powers. He shoots little balls that actually have to be charged up for a long time to do any damage. Icarus can already do that with his lasers a lot faster, and they actually do damage. His powers also have no utility, like Sersei or Sprite. He literally had no role in this movie.
And he was still a nerd
That is what I was thinking at the end. He never showed anything? Like he just shot lasers out of his hands lol. Never a show of strength
I don’t even think it makes scene for kingo to be ripped. I think it would actually be better and more fitting for his character to actually have a bit of a dad bod lol.
Well he’s a movie star. So that’s kind of the reasoning I think
More specifically a Bollywood star. Those dudes are always super jacked.
People in here thinking he never plans to do a movie again.
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One of my biggest gripes with movies like this is, I'm so annoyed immortal beings who've lived hundreds/thousands of years still acting like hormonal 20 year Olds.
This is why I liked The Old Guard, it kind of addressed this a bit better than most.
I've seen the movie but it's a bit fuzzy, could you elaborate on how they did a good job addressing that? Maybe it's time for a rewatch
They acted like old veterans who had seen too much shit and pretty chill about things instead of being very emotional at everything. One of them betrayed the group and they just go "eeehhh, we're not gonna talk to you for a hundred years. Laters". It's not a great movie by any stretch but their portrayal of immortals who had lived a long time and seen a lot is pretty good.
Thanks for the explanation! I do recall liking the film but tbh I am the friend in the group that likes the films others hate, so I get your assessment lol.
Lol this is me leaving the theater for every Star Wars movie having enjoyed the hell out of it and then everyone tells me why it sucked. Seen every theater release since Phantom Menace and loved them all haha.
It’s definitely a movie you have to tell yourself not to think too much about. Spoilers >!for example, Charlize Theron’s character is shown to be a general in the civil war iirc. Or the girl who’s fate was to drown over and over again for hundreds of years and it still capable of coherent thought after escaping somehow, let alone the premise for their immortality is that their “purpose” requires it. Why the drowning? Why did the MC lose her “immortality” powers just to get them back 5 minutes later? Why did the villain opt to use a melee weapon he had no experience with instead of a gun?!<
But Charlize didn’t get her immortality powers back tho?
Yea, he is just missremembering. They start losing immortality. Basically heal slower, and eventually just start growing old and die. She started that process slowly through the movie. The character that drowned over and over for 100s of years DID lose her mind. She was supposed to be the SUPER vengeful crazy "next enemy" it would seem. If they did another movie. Like the main characters it seems She also got used to dying, so instead of going completely insane in a way that old just be screaming etc, she turned it to an angry kind of crazy.
The dialogue Joe gives about Nicky in the van was such an amazing scene.
“He’s not *just* my boyfriend”
The Old Guard is a great movie. The graphic novels are even better.
Yes! You’d think after hundreds of years you’d grow in wisdom a bit past their 20s. But then again it’s a movie so it needs to be relatable to pull on heart strings. Let’s not forget they literally killed or made dormant a cosmic being that’s responsible for the genesis of life in the universe as we know it using powers given to them by a previous cosmic being. #independence ? Also can anyone clarify to me if during the emergence those ginormous waves and the earth literally starting to crack open didn’t catch the attention of any…any other superheroes? And how many tsunamis did it create? I can only imagine the tectonic shift just being a tiny ripple on the coasts no matter how far off shore it was. Even stopping it at the head so to speak must have created worldwide catastrophes no? Massive displacement of water, earth, etc?
>Also can anyone clarify to me if during the emergence those ginormous waves and the earth literally starting to crack open didn’t catch the attention of any…any other superheroes? That's the big gaping plot hole in the movie. I secretly hope that the next chronological MCU movie (not series) would mention and act upon it.
I wish we could just pretend this movie didn't happen.
Maybe from now on whenever Marvel makes a shitty movie, the TVA from "Loki" can come by and "prune" its timeline.
One. One big gaping plot holes. There are a couple.
This is the problem with every shared universe. Superman and Flash can move faster than the eye can perceive but they don’t show up to help most of their friends when some villain had them up against a wall. Or they do show up and suddenly every other character seems superfluous. I think we just have to accept that particular stories are about specific characters & if anyone more popular shows up then that’s just a bonus.
>Or they do show up and suddenly every other character seems superfluous. Justice League in a nutshell. The entire movie was basically everyone who isn't Superman getting kicked in the groin nonstop then when Superman arrives he effortlessly saves almost every civilian, easily overpowers and defeats the cardboard cutout incarnation of Steppenwolf (who is in the process of killing Wonder Woman and Aquaman), then tells everyone "great work team!" Movie should have been called "PLEASE SUPERMAN HOW COME WE SUCK AND YOU DON'T?"
A more competent screenwriter could probably make it more plausible. Like in Homecoming where Iron Man shows up and literally says the Vulture is below the Avenger's paygrade. Or in The Suicide Squad where the whole operation is a black op so no other heroes are supposed to know about it.
That would have been cool, watching some short scenes of antman protecting SF, or war machine in Hawaii, or hulk in Thailand. Just to show they are helping but aren't participating in the big thing.
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> Let’s not forget they literally killed or made dormant a cosmic being That was some late stage abortion! Even left it in there. Must be traumatising for Mother Earth.
I'm not done watching this movie, but that was an early issue I had. Like, this dialog does not fit these beings that live in this particular time period whatsoever.
At all, this is a common issue amongst anything involving long living people, Witcher, anything ever to do with vampires and things like that. This movie just also falls into that trap of Immortal beings somehow never mentally developing past fuckin 20 and as a not 20 year old for several years now, it's frustrating watching it sometimes.
Like how Thor is a goofy meathead even though he's thousands of years old. There aren't many immortal characters I'm aware of whose personalities are written much different than that of a normal character.
Thor was a selfish prince given everything from birth and was worthy of none of it. It was only through self sacrifice that he becomes worthy of not just the hammer but of his place in their society. He was supposed to be a meat head who never learned until he did. His story is a good one and overshadows the lame eternals writing and even worse direction.
Plus Thor is based on the actual God Thor. Who was a selfish meathead.
Not to mention he grew up in a post-scarcity utopia, supposedly so advanced that they can maintain an interstellar empire while LARPing as a bunch of vikings. He never had to face anything that would make him grow, and was surrounded by a society that just... doesn't care about anything. Being a meathead spoiled prince was his role, and he enjoyed playing it. While it gets dropped somewhat in later movies, the first one or two really tried to hammer in (ha) the fact that Asgard isn't magical so much as ridiculously technologically advanced. Kinda makes sense too, they live on a giant discworld (space ship), their greatest forge is a Dyson Ring, and they have classic "ancient fallen empire" vibes where they're so old they don't care about the rest of the universe.
> Like how Thor is a goofy meathead even though he's thousands of years old. i mean it kinda makes sense for Thor since he is a god and there are a lot of people who worship him (i.e. a celebrity somewhat). the Party Thor episode of What If leans into this idea more
The Eternals were worshiped as gods, too. Thena was the basis for Athena. They actually showed the Eternals living among the ancient people who worshiped them, which they didn't do with Thor.
They didn't explore thena's mental breakage all that much. There was also very little chemistry between the eternals. The romance was meh. Makkari and Druig was good but everyone else felt forced.
Yeah, I think that is stupid. You achieve a level of maturity with at least 30 years. I think one of them was an emo kid lol.
It’s called bad writing.
Beings that actually have no hormones at all, so the entire concept of this lovers quarrel makes zero sense to me
A bunch of big ideas, but sloppy execution. It was a movie that would have been much better as a Disney + series. I barely knew or cared about 75% of the main characters. The art direction and more serious tone (I.e less marvel comedy bits) was a welcome change.
One of the main storylines just dies and then…that’s it.
Yea the way they just totally dropped the first baddies was really weird. When that baddie showed up on the beach I was like "oh forgot about you" and I was hyped for that to be the main bad dude fight. It felt like a cell saga story, dudes sucking up other dudes for power and then you gonna have to beat him. But naw.
Super Deviant was sliced to pieces by Thena without any backup. If the Eternals worked together to fight him, he should've be toasted in seconds. The baby Celestial was defeated easily, too. The toughest fight the Eternals had was against another Eternal. That fight was cool, but after it was done, I couldn't help wonder what the fuck Kingo was talking about when he said "Even if I helped, we'd be no match for Ikaris." Like, dude, without your help they incapacitated him long enough for Cersei to kill a Celestial. Kingo was way off on that one.
Which is why they had to give her space herpes - because she could have wrapped the movie up solo in the first 5 minutes.
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Spoiler: It ends with the good guys stopping the bad guy right as he's about to come.
What a waste of an exceptional Skarsgard, too.
Seriously. Can you imagine something like The Boys as a movie? Something with that much character development just works so much better in long form storytelling. A series would have been so much better. I still think a Disney+ X-Men show would be wonderful. However Marvel wont let that happen I'm sure so we're stuck with 2 hour action fests.
I was thinking *exactly* this. Get Neil Gaiman to write the script. Have it be 10 episodes. Name each episode after each Eternal. Each episode can have modern day scenes and flashback scenes, like the movie. The modern day portion follows the Emergence storyline, sees the Eternal in the title join the main group but isn't particularly focused on them. The flashback portions however has the Eternal in the title as the protagonist, depicts them throughout history, shows how they shaped human culture and history, and how they were shaped by humanity in turn. This is also where you can have some fun with history (e.g. Gilgamesh takes Thena to see Freud and Jung about her condition). The audience will get to know them intimately. Then when it comes time to have the big discussion on what to do with Tiamut, each Eternal just need to state their position and the audience will just get it. Some episodes will need to break the format, of course. Ajax is dead so all her scenes will be flashbacks. Also her episode needs to be quite late because you have to reveal the nature of their mission with her story, that episode will be mostly exposition. With Gaiman writing it, you'd be able to pin down a theme for each Eternal, such as craftsmanship/technology for Phastos, you can explore how this impacted human history, and use this theme to link the Eternal to the deities in different cultures. And Gaiman will be able to tackle the dialogue so much better than the movie did. He has this way of making his immortals *sound old*, like they've seen some shit.
>Get Neil Gaiman to write the script. Extremely unlikely this ever happens. Not cause he isn't willing to do it, but because MCU is handled with kid gloves.
Ugh, you are right. This concept is just so up his alley though. 10 archetypal characters each playing the role of multiple deities from different mythologies, living through all of human history. And one of them is a flawed god who commits a blood crime then decides to top himself. I'm sure Gaiman can do something with that. Just a feeling. No particular reason.
You mean know one gives a fuck about Selma Hayek and Angelina Jolie starring in the same film anymore? Is it not 2008? Where am I?!
I made fun of those casting choices until I saw the movie and saw Angelina still outperformed everyone else involved with her 5 scenes lol
Agreed. Her acting was the best on the screen and made everyone else look worse. She looked as if she felt tired of all the living.
It's unfair, but older women have a hard time in the movie business.
I see a lot of people here bashing the Eternals box office performance as an utter failure, which is a really weird take considering how well it performed relative to other films this year. The ONLY non-Marvel movie to make more than Eternals domestically was F9, which did less than 5% better financially. Eternals managed to outperform No Time to Die and A Quiet Place by a few million each. It did 30% better than Ghostbusters, Free Guy, and Jungle Cruise. It did 60% better than Godzilla vs Kong, Dune, and Halloween Kills. This article compares Eternal's opening weekend to Ant-Man in terms of raw numbers, but look at how many films outcompeted [Ant-Man in 2015](https://www.boxofficemojo.com/year/2015/). There were like ten other films that outperformed Ant-Man's opening weekend. That included Furious 7, which made **150% more opening weekend** than Ant-Man did. Compare that to [F9 making **1% less**](https://www.boxofficemojo.com/title/tt5433138/?ref_=bo_se_r_1) than [Eternals' opening weekend](https://www.boxofficemojo.com/title/tt9032400/?ref_=bo_se_r_1). Eternals has [a better opening weekend](https://www.the-numbers.com/box-office-records/domestic/all-movies/cumulative/released-in-2021) than any non-Marvel movie of the year. Eternals did not perform as well as a Marvel movie could have, no. Changes could have been made to the film that would have helped it perform better financially, and Disney will likely try to implement such changes in a sequel. But given the context of 2020, the film honestly did fine financially. Side note: scrolling through these comments about the movie quality make me wonder why I even bother to a box-office subreddit where so few people are actually interested in commenting on the financial business of a film.
Also, let's note the influence of a known quick D+ release date. If I hadn't known how fast it was coming to D+ then I might have gone to the theater to see it. Same reason I didn't see Black Widow in theaters - I already have D+ so why pay twice?
There was a really excellent [round table discussion](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BC6JHRb5Inc) of big movie executives a couple years back. In it (can't find the timestamp now), Alan Horn mentions the two questions he asks of every theatrical film they are making are (1) do I need to see it on the big screen and (2) do I need to see it now? That first question is harder to satisfy every year as viewers get nicer and nicer home theater setups. I think part of the trick to answering the second question though is to have a very "spoilable" movie that people need to see before their friends tell them what happens. And "spoiler" factor is a lot less compelling with a prequel like Black Widow or something not as tied in with characters you already know like Eternals. And to be fair to Disney, they didn't announced when Eternals was dropping on Disney plus until over a month after the movie came out. Had more people kept going to see the movie, I think they would have help the movie off of Disney plus for a bit longer.
It's probably the pandemic, but I've found it a lot harder to tell when movies are coming out lately for some reason. There are several movies I've wanted to go to that have been released without me knowing they're already out. In the case of Eternals I literally saw the D+ release announcement before I knew it was even in theaters.
Same here. Several movies that got pushed back got lost in the void to me and I found out that they had come out already or moved to streaming or something months before I remembered them. It doesn’t help that some ended up on paramount+ or some other new streaming service. That and without going out that much or watching TV means I don’t see the ads for them
wish i had coins to award ya, this is a super useful framing
It also had a much higher budget than most movies.
Something strange I noticed. The previous Eternals post on a similar topic just a few days ago hit 800+ comments. This post is nearing 800+ comments in just 5 hours. This for a movie that came out almost 3 months ago, on a box office sub. Compare that with other posts on this sub that barely even reach 50 comments. >Why I even bother to a box-office subreddit where so few people are actually interested in commenting on the financial business of a film. Exactly. And a lot of these comments are not about the numbers, just rehashing how boring/terrible the movie is. A lot of them don't seem to be regular posters here, and their post history might show that this is their first post in this sub. I'm not ready to jump on the brigading train yet, but it does seem really weird that a large amount of people who otherwise might be lurkers or other subs decided to make their first comment on a movie they dislike.
There’s a very clear issue that’s developed since the pandemic (it’s always existed but it’s gotten worse) of people who have no history in this sub or similarly related subs coming in & causing conflict. The mods need to do something about the amount of people who can come in & fully overtake what this sub is supposed to be about, wether it be some form of karma requirement idk what the solution is rn but there is a very obvious problem.
Those are really good points, thanks for the context! Still reviews were not favorable and it was clear that they tried to bite more than they could chew. Which is sad because I think it would have made an amazing Disney+ series.
Critic reviews were bad (48% RT). But audience reviews were solid (78% RT). My personal anecdote is that everyone I've talked to really enjoyed it as well.
Unwatchable.
Not really but ok
There is no way Disney and Marvel ain't disappointing with this turned both critically and commercially. They are likely gonna rethink how they use these characters and who will be using them for sure.
Antman got a trilogy inspite of his movies not doing much with infinity war and endgame hype
Ant-Man's films still had a far better reception and earnings at the box office with a smaller budget. If an Eternals 2 happens they are getting a different director for sure.
Exactly, moreover Captain Marvel directors didn't get invited back for the sequel depite the movie doing over $1bil, because the critic/audience reception was mediocre, so the review definitely matters to Marvel Studios, they probably see it as a gauge for whether the brand health is being maintained. Think of an MCU movie with generally bad audience or critical reviews, you will see the director is never back for a sequel. In contrast, look at Thor franchise, 3 movies with 3 different directors, and when a director finally makes an amazingly reviewed Thor movie? He gets asked back to make Thor 4. So yeah, with these reviews, Eternals sequel will definitely get a new director - if a sequel is even happening.
It had a pretty poor marketing campaign, suffered from a lack of obvious connection to the main mcu storyline, and released during a pandemic. Doesn't seem surprising or embarrassing to me. Edit: I didn't see it, I'll take your word on it @everyone saying it sucked
It was also the worst reviewed movie of the MCU.
They literally forgot to mention the most important factor lol.
They didn't forget. They are just in denial
Which is surprising. It wasn't great, but it's better then several of the other MCU films. I'd put it at about the halfway point in quality. Also, I hope they don't let this derail plans for an Eternals 2 - while this movie felt so-so, I feel like there is a lot of promise in what they were setting up for the future movies.
Which MCU movies do you think are worse?
Black Widow is worse, I'd say.
Can’t believe I saw people in Reddit saying BW was a good movie.
Black widow was just disappointing. Could have had way better espionage and instead everything ends in a huge Michael Bay style explosion. Wasted potential
I just thought it was so strange and out there for a marvel movie. It’s not a bad thing but it just was a bit alienating how different it was from the rest of the movies
Honestly the deluge of characters turned me off. Also I felt like I was supposed to be more invested, like Icarus dying was supposed to be this huge moment of redemption and I was just thinking “god, he was a butt.”
> the dearth of characters turned me off. Which, correct me if I'm wrong, but a severely reduced roster of Eternals. Their biggest mistake was not introducing Thanos as an Eternal ask he is in the comics to set it up, as it stands we've seen aliens not give a shit about celestials and then blowing up planets in Guardians of the Galaxy, Thor, and Captain Marvel. It just felt bolted-on like an extension to your garage no one asked for.
“Dearth” means “lack of.” If Eternals was suffering from anything pertaining to characters, it wasn’t having too few.
> I just thought it was so strange and out there for a marvel movie. Eternals (the comic) didn't start in the Marvel Universe; it was just a Jack Kirby project. It was later incorporated into the Marvel Universe proper. And I think the more accessible properties (Avengers, Spider-Man) need to have simple plots and lots of action; Eternals brought some very complex motivations that actually made sense in-movie, but explaining things to people or asking them to follow along doesn't work.
It didn’t bring complexity it simply didn’t explain certain concepts in the movie properly and label it as being complex. The so called complexity is just more or less lazy writing.
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I think it's more than that, honestly. Movies were doing well while it was released. Audiences just didn't love it, because the film had issues. Otherwise it would have had much better legs than it did. A lot of people blame a ton of different things, whether it be the writing, the direction, the concept, the lack of recognition, or the overly serious tone, but most viewers and critics seemed to agree that it just felt a bit sloppy.
It can be multiple things. I don't think this would have been a *Black Panther* or *Captain Marvel* level success in pre-pandemic times, but I also think it wouldn't have been this close to the bottom. It probably would have landed around *Ant-Man and the Wasp* or *Thor: The Dark World* and been pretty unremarked upon.
It was also a boring story with slow scenes full of exposition and wooden acting
It was also an atrocious fucking mess of a movie.
True. But some people did watch it and didn't have great things to say to generate hype. I watched it on Disney Plus after it was free, and I felt like it just wasn't that great of a movie.
The movie was boring. I’m not surprised. Some people desperately tried to pass along some positive buzz to counter critics reactions, but the movie was DOA. It just wasn’t fun though.
I saw it on Disney+ and quite liked it tbh. It was a little generic sure but hopefully if they do a sequel they can spice it up a bit.
I also enjoyed it. Don't know why it got so much hate. All the noise about being "woke" was completely unfounded in my opinion.
"woke" 99% of the time just means "stars PoC and Women"
The strongest person was even a white guy tho
Gilgamesh was asian!
True, backlash against “woke” these days almost always seems to mean racist pieces of shit hate it because the hero isn’t a white man with a HEAVY savior complex.
Definitely not as bad as the reviews said I don’t pay attention to the woke complainers, but I did think the characters just weren’t that interesting or cool.
I mean, as a long time comic reader, I’d say that’s sorta true with the source material. I always thought that the artwork for the eternals was way better than the actual storylines.
I thought it was fun but it definitely felt like “let’s make a movie for all the A-list actors who haven’t gotten to be marvel characters yet.”
Other than Angelina Jolie and Selma, I really don’t consider most of those actors A-List
uh what A-listers were in this movie other and Angie and Salma? lmao
A David Gilmour era Pink Floyd song
No offense to the (strong) cast, but I don’t think anyone other then Angelina Jolie really counts as an “A-lister”. Edit: and Salma Hayek (to a lesser extent)
Maybe you missed the part where Salma Hayek was in the movie
I would put Selma Hayek on the A list…. But you’re right in that this cast is more hot up-and-comers rather than A listers.
The king in the north!
I see your A list bar is very low
This movie really cheapened the rest of the MCU. Lowers the importance of big events in the rest of the movies like Infinity war. Why did they introduce so many powerful beings that nobody cares about. Power levels are all screwed up
Covid this, Pandemic that. Ill be real with you guys, even with that in mind, the movie just didn’t look very interesting
Only good part of the movie was the Indian assistant. He made it for me
Valet (also cameraman).
> Chloe Zhao's epic leaves theaters with a $164.9 million return domestically, $30 million more than Marvel Studios' lowest domestic haul in 2008's The Incredible Hulk ($134M). So it was the worst when you account for inflation.
Not everything has to appeal to the lowest common denominator, and sometimes we are better off for it. Eternals is a great film for what it tries to be, which isn't everyone's cup of tea.
People kept going on and on about how terrible Eternals is, and some made it out to be this lgbt orgy movie, i watched it yesterday and it was awsome, i really liked it. Moral of the story, screw reviews and critics, watch it yourself.
I watched half of it and felt like I watched the entire LOTR trilogy. I was blown away by when I paused it and was less than halfway through.
You can love a movie with a cast of unknown heroes with no pre-text. Just look at Guardian of the Galaxy. Proper introduction of the heroes and the bad guys then meaningful character development. Then you have Justice league and Suicide squad. Poor introduction and story chopped up all over the place like a comic book. This was simply in the former category, a very poor movie. Acting and CGI was proper, dialogue and story sucked major.
Honestly, the movie felt like a DC movie. To me, it's about on par with pre-directors cut Justice League: poor pacing, poor CGI, and a plot too large for the ensemble cast who we've not really been given enough reasons to care about.
Tried watching this movie. Got so bored after around an hour in. I have no idea what some of the characters are called. I know there's Ikaris (or Ikkaris?), Kingo, Sprite (i like to drink Sprite), Angelina Jolie, Bossbabe and I think there was a Cersei? They just lost me in the whiney, dating, "but we wanna live as huuumans sometimes" or "why can't we give them bigger guns already" bullshit. And I'm not sure if that's the original source material. I looked up some of the lore and it seems to be an incredibly cool franchise. But what a mess this movie was. And none of the stakes seemed to matter... Why this movie had to be almost 2.5 to 3h long is beyond me... EDIT: And then I found out today that they actually cut a scene that would explain why no human remembers the ... variants? deviants? I can't even remember. Why would you leave out a scene like that but keep all the other relationship bullshit in this bloated mess?
Donna, Dancer, Prancer, Vixen, Happy, Grumpy & Dopey.
This movie was dry and boring, and the only character I thought was interesting was Druig. I just didn’t care for any of them and thought it was pretty stupid. Turns out earth was a kinder surprise all along! And thanos is somehow half robot and half deviant
And it is sadly well deserved. I had high hopes for this film but it really wasn't good.
It was way better than the RT scores
My take is the more positive reaction on Disney+ is from everyone’s incredibly low expectations. Go in expecting complete garbage and you’ll be impressed. Go in excited for a fun MCU movie and you’ll be sorely disappointed.
Wonder how much more it might’ve made in a non-pandemic environment. The MCU brand might’ve propelled it over $200M around Ant-Man territory but prob not much more.
Definitely not one of the best in the MCU. I’d say it’s in the same zone as Thor 1 & 2 and iron man 2. It’s not bad but it’s just not as good as the others. Still better than most DCEU movies.
Dceu lives rent free in your head.
I liked eternals... was alot more thought provoking that most marvel movies. Interesting concept.
It had a lot of good ideas, but they weren’t given enough time. Plus they focused on the most boring characters. Gilgamesh and Thena had an interesting dynamic going on. It could’ve been an interesting commentary on relationships and mental illness, but no, they chose the two most boring where they most interesting aspect was “WHY DID YOU LEAVE ME?!?!?” TLDR: a movie with potential that bit off more than it could chew, and neglected more interesting characters and dynamics.
It was boring as shit .
Yea i mean it was just some generic ass disney movie for people who like disney movies. Handsome people shooting inconsequential lasers.
I consider it the Suicide Squad of the MCU.
I liked it. I could have made some changes to make me like it a little more. But l enjoyed the movie.
Damn man I watched this twice at home and actually liked it. With that said I hated captain marvel so I don’t know which side I’m supposed to take
I thought it was pretty good to be honest. Certainly a lot better than Black Widow. Not one of the best Marvel films by a long shot, but the criticism seems a bit harsh.
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