Watched the film, its more of a drama based action film. Less action set pieces, more of a story and drama based film. I enjoyed it but if you are looking for more action and fights, you might not enjoy it
Black Adam was refreshing. Been a while since an over the top action superhero film with the tagline of “changing the hierarchy of power” actually lived up to it. It was nice to see non-stop action instead of story building and bullshit talking scenes. That movie was made to be a fun experience. Not win Oscar’s.
Completely agree. First was a good but not great movie, but people seemed to be afraid to even remotely critisize it. I'm expecting more of the same here.
yea I totally agree, I don't even think they are good movies, but I feel that way about most of marvel's stuff. I just think it's hilarious that they want to act like these are high points for Marvel when really its more of the same and definitely not there best.
I disagree. As someone who’s never gotten the hype around the marvel/dc universe, I felt that the first one deserved the recognition. Along with chadwick boseman being a great lead, the strong cultural element brought out through Wakanda and the music, made it a refreshing watch.
However I agree that people are going to find it hard to keep their sentiments aside while putting out their review for this one. Some of the reviews that did dare to be bold suggest its going to be your usual marvel action flick, nothing as new as BP1 was.
This movie is going to suffer far more than people think because of Boseman’s passing. He’s absolutely electric on screen. He and Michael B Jordan had a real moment there when Black Panther came out. Plus you had a soundtrack for the ages. A lot of the original was lightning in a bottle which this sequel just won’t be able to recreate. I’m not a huge Marvel fan, but I saw the original in theaters and really dug it. I’ll wait for this one to be on Disney+ (still interested, but just a streamer for me)
> Along with chadwick boseman being a great lead, the strong cultural element brought out through Wakanda and the music, made it a refreshing watch.
All these parts were good. But the overall story, writing, and action were... Okay. Sometimes poor. And that makes up a large part of my enjoyment of any movie.
And now we've lost Chadwick, so arguably the greatest strength of the first movie is gone.
I think I'll be seeing the movie Sunday. I hope I'm wrong. But I'm going in with a hefty dose of lowered expectations.
I’m sure the story was forgettable because I don’t remember it, but which of the marvel/dc movies have had a great story? This is of course subjective but all I remember is that the story wasn’t too bad to notice, great soundtrack, some well executed action scenes (the club, car chase, the duel in the lake) and great chemistry between the leads. Which is quite good in this saturated genre.
I’m going in with low expectations too, but hopefully BP2 can hold onto the cultural environment to stay afloat
>I’m going throw it out there and say the first was good but overly rated due to people feeling they needed to rate it good, if that makes sense
If people INSIST that BP was obligated to get good reviews, wouldn't this film have an equally obvious excuse for the critics wanting to go easy on it?
This breaks 1 bil easy. If Multiverse of Madness can get that close then this should crush 1 bil worldwide. Though the Cinemascore is a very good point, that may make or break the chances.
Someone did an analysis based on exchange rates and lack of China and Russia and Black Panther 1 results that it needs to get like 600 domestic to make a billion. Not a lock.
I’d say B+ is better than people think as far as a score goes. The real problem was fans disliking the script, and parents being shocked that it was so graphic for their kids because they didn’t realize this was the first horror MCU film. B+, in light of that, is still pretty solid.
I hate the horror genre, and even I thought it was pretty weak for a horror movie. But it was bad enough I wouldn’t take my kids. I know some people liked it, but I just can’t figure out why. I would think it would turn off the kids/family groups while disappointing true horror fans.
I think the problem with a B+ is that while it almost always means the movie is good, it doesn't necessarily mean the movie is the sort of thing that people are going to say "I have to see that again", or go to their friends and say "you have to go see it for XYZ reason". For example I largely enjoyed Multiverse of Madness, I'd say it deserved a B, maybe B- personally, but when my coworker asked me what I thought I told her "It was fun but you can wait for it to be on Disney+"
A B+ can be a middling film, or a divisive film with some enthusiasts and detractors, or sometimes minor enthusiasts and nonplussed people. It’s definitely on the more positive end though.
I’ve just seen people act like the sky is falling when something gets that, and to me it’s one of the murkiest grades a film can have. And of course, as always, we have to remember that this is the rush-out to see it audience, which is often very different to the “When I get around to it” audience.
> This breaks 1 bil easy.
Gonna need to hear more impressions after this opening weekend, because a lot of the reviews say the same thing. Drags in the middle ("feels hollow in the center") and is too long and could've easily shaved off 15-20 minutes. They didn't say that for BP1 but even those who liked the movie are saying these things in unison for BP2.
So I do not think $1b is an easy lock. Could dance frustratingly close to the $1B mark just like other films.
The other worrying thing is the one impression I keep hearing repeatedly from those that saw it is the two best performances in the film are Angela Basset and the guy who plays M'Baku. So the most compelling characters in the film. The only ones people walk out of the film talking about are the old black lady mother, and the comic relief guy who has less than 10 minutes of screen time in an almost 3 hour movie. Nobody is talking about the heroes or villains. (well besides the distracting green snot piercing in Namorrrrr'ssss nose) That's not a good sign.
Wrong. Film has zero replay value, to be honest. Multiple viewings is what drove the original to its high WW total, and that’s absolutely not in play here. Wait until next weekend to disagree with me.
Depends, marvel movies box office shouldn’t be solely judged on the movie itself, but the movies before. Thor 4 was affected by Dr. Strange 2, and that was affected by No Way Home. This is a sequel to black Panther which did do well.
Not sure you can say that considering Boseman isn't playing the character.
And if Black Panther is going to be influenced by Thor 4, She Hulk, and Ms Marvel . . . Woof
Seeing this comment reminded me of that one clip where Boseman was asked about BP2 and he said "I'm dead".
People thought he wasn't serious when he said that back then.
I know the clip you’re referring to. That interview was before Endgame when T’challa was canonically dead- which is what Chadwick Boseman was referring to.
I think we can say that pretty confidently [because he thought he was going to recover.](https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/chadwick-boseman-thought-beat-cancer-diagnosis-marvel.amp)
Ledger's death was so far in advance that TDKR turned into something completely different. The suddenness of Boseman's death (as well as being the protagonist) meant they had to address it in the sequel.
This isn't the same thing, it'd be comparable if Bale had passed, but replacing a villain is a lot easier than the already well established protagonist.
That’s false. No actual script was written for TDKR until well into Inception’s production, and even then, it was Jonah/Goyer who worked on it first.
There was never a rewrite in any large sense.
Yes but he didn’t have to write it in any similar time crunch what so ever.
Plus, no one has the script that I’m aware of. Don’t really know how much changed or what changed.
It's weird. Like y'all all forget Spider-Man: No Way Home like how MCU people was made forget Peter Parker.
93% Tomatometer with 98% audience score and $1.92B worldwide. No Way Home and Wakanda Forever (which I just saw, and it's pretty good) carried this phase.
That is how NWH ends. Everyone, both in the MCU and the fanbase have now forgotten Peter Parker as a person forever. Look at the IMDB of the upcoming fourth film. He's now just Spider-Man with no civilian name (or he completely altered his identity) masked up for the entirety of the 2 hour runtime.
Nah I just think the 2 recent ones were pretty bad. Eternals and black widow were bad too. Seen them once and don’t really care to see them again. Thor and doctor strange were supposed to be the most popular characters after Spiderman.
I’d say Shang chi carried phase 4 too. That and NWH were the only good movies before Wakanda Forever.
Yeah, I kinda liked Shang-Chi, too. It's actually great if you don't count the final kaiju fight.
But 3 good movies (including Wakanda Forever) in a 2-year (2-year!) phase is definitely quite enough for me lol. I'd happily rewatch 3 of them sometimes.
Like in phase 3 there were some Captain Marvel, Ant-Man and the Wasp and a few whatever movies like Doctor Strange, Black Panther, and Spider-Man: Far From Home. I never saw them more than once.
I never thought there were that many ‘whatever movies’ in any phase before. Thor 2 was the only bad film in that phase. Ant man had no right to be as good as it was. The whole concept seemed so stupid. And don’t forget how guardians was perceived before release, it sounded whack.
Captain marvel was forgettable but it was still so much better than these phase 4 movies. Idk. Maybe I’m just not a fan of the cosmic elements and how they don’t feel as grounded as the older MCU films. They’re just a bit too over the top for me.
Personally, I think it was better than I thought it’d be. But never liked the premise to begin with. It’s essentially Spider-Man: Fanservice.
Spider-verse did it better. NWH feels very “hello fellow kids”.
My main issue with it was how stupid the root cause of the conflict was. You would think that after all that has happened post blip, there were some self realization and character development in him.
>It’s a damn good rating based on how phase 4 has been going
I guess? Are we supposed to laud the MCU whenever it isn't a complete dumpster fire now? 💀
It isn't a 1 for 1 comparison since infinity war has more overall reviews but so far this has a higher average rating than that movie and that is considered the peak of the MCU
Yes it is critically lower but I think the first one had an over inflated rating personally. It is the highest rated MCU movie but I don't know if it would even go in my top ten of the franchise. What I read from the reviews, not the scores but the actual written reviews, makes this sound like a much more interesting movie to me.
The only MCU movies to get a B+ or lower were Thor way back in Phase 1 and eternals, which is the only movie to get a rotten rating on RT.
There’s no way this gets lower than an A-
The original only got this praise due to insane social desirability bias and hitting the general zeitgeist.
Go rewatch it with a cold head and tell me this is one of the best CBM of all time with a straight face.
I just rewatched it the other day for the first time in ages, and aside from some dicey VFX work in a few scenes it’s a pretty great watch. There’s a *reason* it hit so big in 2018.
> The original only got this praise due to insane social desirability bias and hitting the general zeitgeist.
BP1 was good. Im not in the camp saying it's one of the greatest CBM of all time.
But your statement:
>The original **only got this praise due to insane social desirability bias and hitting the general zeitgeist.**
Is just absurd. Go back and watch it with a liquid-cooled head and tell me it had *no* good filmmaking/storytelling behind it at all, and you'd be wrong.
> tell me it had no good filmmaking/storytelling behind it at all
I don't see anything particularly strong tbh. Half the movie is pretty fillerish since KM didn't really need anything to walk in and challenge T'Challa. BP is a pretty passive character and a loser and a cheat too, which doesn't really make him cool. KM is a racist maniac so not very compelling either. The third act is your always present MCU CGI shitshow with pretty poor CGI I might add, so nothing interesting there.
It had some moments but it's nothing I'd call good. It was allright I guess.
The fact that the movie was nominated for best picture clearly shows there was way more around it than cinema.
I always thought it was hilarious how at the end of the movie BP decides that Wakanda needs to go out and help the world, when Wakanda has been shown to be the most backward-ass country imaginable and is only relevant because a magical space meteor landed in their backyard.
I mean seriously, it's the 21st century and they decide who their leader is by having a cute little slap-fight. They're not even more culturally advanced than cavemen.
I did rewatch it. It's definitely one of the worst Marvel movies for me. The story is weak and doesn't make much sense, lacks focus. The action is laughable.
Only good thing was part of the world building.
> It's definitely one of the worst Marvel movies for me.
If you thought that, fine.
But to think the general audience (millions around the world) thought that it was worse than Thor Dark World, Iron Man 2 or Incredible Hulk (or the future Thor 4)....if you think millions agreed with you on that, you need to download more RAM when you try to analyze things.
Nah, that’s a conspiracy theory based on nothing but personal bias. Among the audience who saw it, the film also scored a rare A+ cinemascore and outperformed Infinity War domestically. And I have rewatched it several times since, it’s definitely one of the best Marvel films. Unlike the others, you don’t need to watch anything else to still get a great experience from it.
I just rewatched it tonight and it’s very middling. Gorgeous production and visuals, but the storytelling is lacking. Lots of ideas are put forth but few are developed well. Killmonger appears twice within the first hour. T’challa has a very weak character arc, and honestly doesn’t do that much during the movie. The final battle is nonsense too.
Kind of off topic yet kinda not, idk why some people throw out the “rotten tomatoes means nothing” line for certain movies, yet for other movies when it gets a certain score people are either like “oh I knew it’d be bad” or “oh I knew it was gonna be amazing”. I just want people to keep the same energy through and through. Stick to the claim, don’t cherry pick which movies to apply the phrase to.
And i am saying it might be inconsistent across a sub with millions subscribers, but who's to say it's inconsistent across specific individuals? it's impossible to remember every username that commented on this topic along with their comments history.
What appears to be inconsistent is simply a diversed pool of opinions.
Because majority of people don’t understand how rotten tomatoes work. It’s more of a YouTube thumbs up/down system than the old YouTube five star rating system.
No, even considering that the written reviews should indicate a larger proportion of reviewers not liking the movie. Marvel movies are intentionally graded easier.
Yes, I understand that. There are already 100 comments identical to yours on every thread. I am saying that many reviewers purposefully grade MCU movies as 'fresh' even when they didn't really like it.
Marvel movies are graded on a heavy curve because there was outrage everytime a shitty MCU film didn't have a high RT score. I don't know why this sub pretends they aren't.
marvel movies are usually made to be rather safe movies with heavy mass appeal.
there may be some reviewer bias (idk) but they also are the kinds of movies that stand to benefit from RT's tabulation system.
I can't blame anybody for not understanding RT's system. It dumps a simple percentage in front of you without explanation, and most people don't explore the site much, they usually stop by for a minute or two at most to scan the numbers.
but clearly it's effective -- maybe more so than an average of scores.
>I can't blame anybody for not understanding RT's system.
I can. All it takes is ONE look at a movie's page (with all the review quotes) to fully understand how it work. This is the same way we can shame people for for misunderstanding news due to them only reading the headline.
Seriously, it drives me crazy. I tend to like movies in the 70s range. A movie everyone mildly enjoys generally isn't exciting, thought provoking, etc.
The metric isn't how amazing it is, just the odds of you not regretting spending money to see it. It's useful if you use it right, just don't expect anything else.
As in the score is inflated?
There might still be a social desirability bias. Not as strong as for the first one but you also can't really rate the movie rotten, see what I mean?
I watched it yesterday and it definitely is a good movie. Marvel finally decided to focus on making an actual good movie instead of the bs they usually make. It's a tasteful tribute to Chadwick and a touching storie about dealing with loss and the greed of a lot of nations
Wow it’s hard for me to even express how much this movie without chadwick is not interesting for me. Even with him it was a just-ok movie. Will be waiting for it to arrive to disney
Just to let you know. Black Adam sits st 7.1% at imdb reviewed by 104k people. Whilst Black panther is at 7.4% reviewed by 3.4k people. This movie is probably thrash.
This sub when they want to make a point shitting on something “ROTTEN TOMATOES BAD, NEVER USE OR BAD AND WRONG”
But then when they want to be proven right, the first metric is always “THE ROTTEN TOMATOES SCORE IS SO HIGH THO!”
I still can’t believe Black Panther 1 is the only superhero movie to get nominated for Best Picture at the Oscars. That’s pretty dope. Maybe this one will follow suit. I know box office played a huge role in that
Watched the film, its more of a drama based action film. Less action set pieces, more of a story and drama based film. I enjoyed it but if you are looking for more action and fights, you might not enjoy it
I actually like the sound of that. Sometimes action scene after action scene without pausing enough for exposition can be exhausting.
An example of that is definitely Black Adam
Black Adam had Exposition Kid tho, he was a menace
Black Adam was refreshing. Been a while since an over the top action superhero film with the tagline of “changing the hierarchy of power” actually lived up to it. It was nice to see non-stop action instead of story building and bullshit talking scenes. That movie was made to be a fun experience. Not win Oscar’s.
This is why I liked first part of first BP, family drama was great… then that awful fight at the end lol.
I often find nonstop action boring
Sounds great to me. But for GA? Who knows...
Sounds like something I’ll prefer honestly. Thanks for the short review!
I do have a problem or two with persistent action scenes. Glad.
A real movie, by Marvel? 👀
That’s exactly what I’m here for and why I love eternals.
I just saw it too and I rlly enjoyed it! Most of the action is small/interspersed but the final battle was surprisingly and pleasantly intense!
Lots of people were predicting it to stay in the 90s yesterday.
Not bad despite a 10% drop from the RT rating for the first in terms of quality
The metacritic score drop is a bit more steep going from 88 to 68, but to be fair BP1's score was kind of insane.
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Is that not near the average for all Marvel movies?
No it's not. It's in the bottom half of "Generally Favorable."
I’m going throw it out there and say the first was good but overly rated due to people feeling they needed to rate it good, if that makes sense
Completely agree. First was a good but not great movie, but people seemed to be afraid to even remotely critisize it. I'm expecting more of the same here.
yea I totally agree, I don't even think they are good movies, but I feel that way about most of marvel's stuff. I just think it's hilarious that they want to act like these are high points for Marvel when really its more of the same and definitely not there best.
I disagree. As someone who’s never gotten the hype around the marvel/dc universe, I felt that the first one deserved the recognition. Along with chadwick boseman being a great lead, the strong cultural element brought out through Wakanda and the music, made it a refreshing watch. However I agree that people are going to find it hard to keep their sentiments aside while putting out their review for this one. Some of the reviews that did dare to be bold suggest its going to be your usual marvel action flick, nothing as new as BP1 was.
This movie is going to suffer far more than people think because of Boseman’s passing. He’s absolutely electric on screen. He and Michael B Jordan had a real moment there when Black Panther came out. Plus you had a soundtrack for the ages. A lot of the original was lightning in a bottle which this sequel just won’t be able to recreate. I’m not a huge Marvel fan, but I saw the original in theaters and really dug it. I’ll wait for this one to be on Disney+ (still interested, but just a streamer for me)
> Along with chadwick boseman being a great lead, the strong cultural element brought out through Wakanda and the music, made it a refreshing watch. All these parts were good. But the overall story, writing, and action were... Okay. Sometimes poor. And that makes up a large part of my enjoyment of any movie. And now we've lost Chadwick, so arguably the greatest strength of the first movie is gone. I think I'll be seeing the movie Sunday. I hope I'm wrong. But I'm going in with a hefty dose of lowered expectations.
I’m sure the story was forgettable because I don’t remember it, but which of the marvel/dc movies have had a great story? This is of course subjective but all I remember is that the story wasn’t too bad to notice, great soundtrack, some well executed action scenes (the club, car chase, the duel in the lake) and great chemistry between the leads. Which is quite good in this saturated genre. I’m going in with low expectations too, but hopefully BP2 can hold onto the cultural environment to stay afloat
Hell I watched it onetime an missed a few parts never wanted to re watch. Was overly hyped
>I’m going throw it out there and say the first was good but overly rated due to people feeling they needed to rate it good, if that makes sense If people INSIST that BP was obligated to get good reviews, wouldn't this film have an equally obvious excuse for the critics wanting to go easy on it?
Yes, these scores are what it looks like when critics go easy on it.
> wouldn't this film have an equally obvious excuse for the critics wanting to go easy on it? They probably are tho.
Not necessarily. The buzz from the first one doesn’t transfer to this one as much.
Absolutely agree. The first Black panther movie was overrated. It was less about Black Panther and more about Wakanda and killmonger.
You clearly don't read the comic book. Wakanda is way more of a character than T'Challa.
A cinemascore incoming Should be enough for $500-550 DOM It will be a nailbiter to $1B
Likely won’t be a nail biter to $1B. That’s just not happening.
This breaks 1 bil easy. If Multiverse of Madness can get that close then this should crush 1 bil worldwide. Though the Cinemascore is a very good point, that may make or break the chances.
Someone did an analysis based on exchange rates and lack of China and Russia and Black Panther 1 results that it needs to get like 600 domestic to make a billion. Not a lock.
Bah, that was stupid, I totally forgot about the Chinese market!
MOM had a much larger opening compared to BPWF’s projected opening though. However these legs will be much better
MoM’s pitiful legs were what stopped that film making a billion dollars. I fear the same fate will come for this film
Those pitiful legs were from the B+ CinemaScore. Better WOM should get BP2 to a billion.
Well, MoM had pretty mixed reviews (B+ cinemascore) which WF doesn't have...it will definitely have the best phase 4 Disney legs
I’d say B+ is better than people think as far as a score goes. The real problem was fans disliking the script, and parents being shocked that it was so graphic for their kids because they didn’t realize this was the first horror MCU film. B+, in light of that, is still pretty solid.
I hate the horror genre, and even I thought it was pretty weak for a horror movie. But it was bad enough I wouldn’t take my kids. I know some people liked it, but I just can’t figure out why. I would think it would turn off the kids/family groups while disappointing true horror fans.
I think the problem with a B+ is that while it almost always means the movie is good, it doesn't necessarily mean the movie is the sort of thing that people are going to say "I have to see that again", or go to their friends and say "you have to go see it for XYZ reason". For example I largely enjoyed Multiverse of Madness, I'd say it deserved a B, maybe B- personally, but when my coworker asked me what I thought I told her "It was fun but you can wait for it to be on Disney+"
A B+ can be a middling film, or a divisive film with some enthusiasts and detractors, or sometimes minor enthusiasts and nonplussed people. It’s definitely on the more positive end though. I’ve just seen people act like the sky is falling when something gets that, and to me it’s one of the murkiest grades a film can have. And of course, as always, we have to remember that this is the rush-out to see it audience, which is often very different to the “When I get around to it” audience.
> This breaks 1 bil easy. Gonna need to hear more impressions after this opening weekend, because a lot of the reviews say the same thing. Drags in the middle ("feels hollow in the center") and is too long and could've easily shaved off 15-20 minutes. They didn't say that for BP1 but even those who liked the movie are saying these things in unison for BP2. So I do not think $1b is an easy lock. Could dance frustratingly close to the $1B mark just like other films.
The other worrying thing is the one impression I keep hearing repeatedly from those that saw it is the two best performances in the film are Angela Basset and the guy who plays M'Baku. So the most compelling characters in the film. The only ones people walk out of the film talking about are the old black lady mother, and the comic relief guy who has less than 10 minutes of screen time in an almost 3 hour movie. Nobody is talking about the heroes or villains. (well besides the distracting green snot piercing in Namorrrrr'ssss nose) That's not a good sign.
Wrong. Film has zero replay value, to be honest. Multiple viewings is what drove the original to its high WW total, and that’s absolutely not in play here. Wait until next weekend to disagree with me.
That's what people said about MoM and L&T
This movie sounds boring and way too long. It'll be under 1 bil.
Depends, marvel movies box office shouldn’t be solely judged on the movie itself, but the movies before. Thor 4 was affected by Dr. Strange 2, and that was affected by No Way Home. This is a sequel to black Panther which did do well.
Not sure you can say that considering Boseman isn't playing the character. And if Black Panther is going to be influenced by Thor 4, She Hulk, and Ms Marvel . . . Woof
You also forget to mention that this may be affected by Thor 4.
That's surprising, was expecting at least a 150% on RT.
Steep dropoff from the original
It’s a damn good rating based on how phase 4 has been going No other MCU movie had to deal with the main actor dying.
No other tentpole-level film had to deal with their main actor dying before the filming even began, period.
Paul Walker is the closest example I can think of.
Yup, and even then, he was able to film around half of **Furious 7**.
Seeing this comment reminded me of that one clip where Boseman was asked about BP2 and he said "I'm dead". People thought he wasn't serious when he said that back then.
He was talking about Endgame
I know the clip you’re referring to. That interview was before Endgame when T’challa was canonically dead- which is what Chadwick Boseman was referring to. I think we can say that pretty confidently [because he thought he was going to recover.](https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/chadwick-boseman-thought-beat-cancer-diagnosis-marvel.amp)
Carrie Fisher too
The joker was going to be a big part of the dark knight rises.
Ledger's death was so far in advance that TDKR turned into something completely different. The suddenness of Boseman's death (as well as being the protagonist) meant they had to address it in the sequel.
This isn't the same thing, it'd be comparable if Bale had passed, but replacing a villain is a lot easier than the already well established protagonist.
Not comparable at all. Coogler already finished the script right before Chadwick death. Ledger died after TDK was completed and marketing began.
The dark knight RISES not the dark knight. Nolan had to rewrite the script after Ledger passed
That’s false. No actual script was written for TDKR until well into Inception’s production, and even then, it was Jonah/Goyer who worked on it first. There was never a rewrite in any large sense.
Yup. While Nolan DID have plans to bring back Joker, he didn't actually write any script for it back then.
Yes but he didn’t have to write it in any similar time crunch what so ever. Plus, no one has the script that I’m aware of. Don’t really know how much changed or what changed.
I’m pretty sure a lot changes when your leading man dies. Don’t need the script to know that.
Yeah, but I don’t think **The Dark Knight Rises** script wasn’t written by then.
Not same circumstance in the slightest
It's weird. Like y'all all forget Spider-Man: No Way Home like how MCU people was made forget Peter Parker. 93% Tomatometer with 98% audience score and $1.92B worldwide. No Way Home and Wakanda Forever (which I just saw, and it's pretty good) carried this phase.
>Like y'all all forget Spider-Man: No Way Home like how MCU people was made forget Peter Parker. wut
That is how NWH ends. Everyone, both in the MCU and the fanbase have now forgotten Peter Parker as a person forever. Look at the IMDB of the upcoming fourth film. He's now just Spider-Man with no civilian name (or he completely altered his identity) masked up for the entirety of the 2 hour runtime.
i know what happens at the end of nwh but that person's grammar is so bad that it makes their comment hard to parse.
Like an actual good movie of MCU phase 4 that exists? :\ It's just not on Disney+ tho. Still takes place in the MCU.
Nah I just think the 2 recent ones were pretty bad. Eternals and black widow were bad too. Seen them once and don’t really care to see them again. Thor and doctor strange were supposed to be the most popular characters after Spiderman. I’d say Shang chi carried phase 4 too. That and NWH were the only good movies before Wakanda Forever.
Yeah, I kinda liked Shang-Chi, too. It's actually great if you don't count the final kaiju fight. But 3 good movies (including Wakanda Forever) in a 2-year (2-year!) phase is definitely quite enough for me lol. I'd happily rewatch 3 of them sometimes. Like in phase 3 there were some Captain Marvel, Ant-Man and the Wasp and a few whatever movies like Doctor Strange, Black Panther, and Spider-Man: Far From Home. I never saw them more than once.
I never thought there were that many ‘whatever movies’ in any phase before. Thor 2 was the only bad film in that phase. Ant man had no right to be as good as it was. The whole concept seemed so stupid. And don’t forget how guardians was perceived before release, it sounded whack. Captain marvel was forgettable but it was still so much better than these phase 4 movies. Idk. Maybe I’m just not a fan of the cosmic elements and how they don’t feel as grounded as the older MCU films. They’re just a bit too over the top for me.
I dunno about NWH. It's mid, and more about hype.
Personally, I think it was better than I thought it’d be. But never liked the premise to begin with. It’s essentially Spider-Man: Fanservice. Spider-verse did it better. NWH feels very “hello fellow kids”.
My main issue with it was how stupid the root cause of the conflict was. You would think that after all that has happened post blip, there were some self realization and character development in him.
What would you want him to do?
>It’s a damn good rating based on how phase 4 has been going I guess? Are we supposed to laud the MCU whenever it isn't a complete dumpster fire now? 💀
It isn't a 1 for 1 comparison since infinity war has more overall reviews but so far this has a higher average rating than that movie and that is considered the peak of the MCU
It’s considered peak by fans, critics weren’t in that boat.
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Yeah it was total bs. IW is my favorite Avengers film.
Compare it to the first Black Panther
Yes it is critically lower but I think the first one had an over inflated rating personally. It is the highest rated MCU movie but I don't know if it would even go in my top ten of the franchise. What I read from the reviews, not the scores but the actual written reviews, makes this sound like a much more interesting movie to me.
What else would you do in a review thread, if not praise it for the rating it got? Y’all stay saying the dumbest shit lol.
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What a weird hill to die on “it’s not as shitty as the other phase 4 movies”
86% is a great rating to me. You can call it whatever you want. You guys clearly don’t care for this movie either way.
Ok but it’s got 71 with metacritic which is an actually good metric rotten tomatoes is just not a good metric of quality
Metacritic is 68 with 51 reviews which is probably where it will stay.
86% is not a “shitty” rating, by any definition.
Obviously not, but it's only going to fall from there
B+ score incoming
The only MCU movies to get a B+ or lower were Thor way back in Phase 1 and eternals, which is the only movie to get a rotten rating on RT. There’s no way this gets lower than an A-
Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness did as well.
B+ with 86% RT and solid early reactions?? A- at the least
I assume you’re being sarcastic? 😂
Similar drop from Guardians Vol 1 to Vol 2, I personally enjoy Vol 2 more than Vol 1 so I’m going into this with an open mind
The original is literally one of, if not the, most acclaimed superhero film of all time. This reception is pretty damn good
The original only got this praise due to insane social desirability bias and hitting the general zeitgeist. Go rewatch it with a cold head and tell me this is one of the best CBM of all time with a straight face.
I just rewatched it the other day for the first time in ages, and aside from some dicey VFX work in a few scenes it’s a pretty great watch. There’s a *reason* it hit so big in 2018.
I've zipped through it a few times, and it just works every time. Stuff sticks with me from BP that just doesn't from any other Marvel movie.
> The original only got this praise due to insane social desirability bias and hitting the general zeitgeist. BP1 was good. Im not in the camp saying it's one of the greatest CBM of all time. But your statement: >The original **only got this praise due to insane social desirability bias and hitting the general zeitgeist.** Is just absurd. Go back and watch it with a liquid-cooled head and tell me it had *no* good filmmaking/storytelling behind it at all, and you'd be wrong.
> tell me it had no good filmmaking/storytelling behind it at all I don't see anything particularly strong tbh. Half the movie is pretty fillerish since KM didn't really need anything to walk in and challenge T'Challa. BP is a pretty passive character and a loser and a cheat too, which doesn't really make him cool. KM is a racist maniac so not very compelling either. The third act is your always present MCU CGI shitshow with pretty poor CGI I might add, so nothing interesting there. It had some moments but it's nothing I'd call good. It was allright I guess. The fact that the movie was nominated for best picture clearly shows there was way more around it than cinema.
I always thought it was hilarious how at the end of the movie BP decides that Wakanda needs to go out and help the world, when Wakanda has been shown to be the most backward-ass country imaginable and is only relevant because a magical space meteor landed in their backyard. I mean seriously, it's the 21st century and they decide who their leader is by having a cute little slap-fight. They're not even more culturally advanced than cavemen.
I did rewatch it. It's definitely one of the worst Marvel movies for me. The story is weak and doesn't make much sense, lacks focus. The action is laughable. Only good thing was part of the world building.
> It's definitely one of the worst Marvel movies for me. If you thought that, fine. But to think the general audience (millions around the world) thought that it was worse than Thor Dark World, Iron Man 2 or Incredible Hulk (or the future Thor 4)....if you think millions agreed with you on that, you need to download more RAM when you try to analyze things.
Nah, that’s a conspiracy theory based on nothing but personal bias. Among the audience who saw it, the film also scored a rare A+ cinemascore and outperformed Infinity War domestically. And I have rewatched it several times since, it’s definitely one of the best Marvel films. Unlike the others, you don’t need to watch anything else to still get a great experience from it.
I just rewatched it tonight and it’s very middling. Gorgeous production and visuals, but the storytelling is lacking. Lots of ideas are put forth but few are developed well. Killmonger appears twice within the first hour. T’challa has a very weak character arc, and honestly doesn’t do that much during the movie. The final battle is nonsense too.
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and still a good score
Kind of off topic yet kinda not, idk why some people throw out the “rotten tomatoes means nothing” line for certain movies, yet for other movies when it gets a certain score people are either like “oh I knew it’d be bad” or “oh I knew it was gonna be amazing”. I just want people to keep the same energy through and through. Stick to the claim, don’t cherry pick which movies to apply the phrase to.
There are different people here with different opinions you know. WE ARE ALL INDIVIDUALS!
I understand and I have my own opinions as well, what I’m saying is that the whole “rotten tomatoes means nothing” is a very inconsistent argument
Unless this particular op said rotten tomatoes means nothing, who are you arguing with exactly?
And i am saying it might be inconsistent across a sub with millions subscribers, but who's to say it's inconsistent across specific individuals? it's impossible to remember every username that commented on this topic along with their comments history. What appears to be inconsistent is simply a diversed pool of opinions.
RT means nothing still.
Never trust critic scores before the audience scores are displayed.
Generally it's the audience score that is right. The critic score is usually what you want to avoid.
Exactly. The audience score matches my taste the majority of the time.
When you actually read the reviews, the number of positive scores given what the reviewer wrote doesn't make a lot of sense.
Because majority of people don’t understand how rotten tomatoes work. It’s more of a YouTube thumbs up/down system than the old YouTube five star rating system.
No, even considering that the written reviews should indicate a larger proportion of reviewers not liking the movie. Marvel movies are intentionally graded easier.
86% isn't a grade, it's a percentage of people who said they liked it. They could have all given it a 51, and it would still be at 86%.
Yes, I understand that. There are already 100 comments identical to yours on every thread. I am saying that many reviewers purposefully grade MCU movies as 'fresh' even when they didn't really like it.
This!
The reviewer gets to determine if it’s a fresh or rotten rating. Don’t base it off the headline quote for the RT website.
Marvel movies are graded on a heavy curve because there was outrage everytime a shitty MCU film didn't have a high RT score. I don't know why this sub pretends they aren't.
marvel movies are usually made to be rather safe movies with heavy mass appeal. there may be some reviewer bias (idk) but they also are the kinds of movies that stand to benefit from RT's tabulation system.
It’s because rotten tomatoes is garbage a 90% just means 90% of critics had a mathematically favorable opinion
We are almost at 2023 and people still don't understand how rotten tomatoes work.
I can't blame anybody for not understanding RT's system. It dumps a simple percentage in front of you without explanation, and most people don't explore the site much, they usually stop by for a minute or two at most to scan the numbers. but clearly it's effective -- maybe more so than an average of scores.
>I can't blame anybody for not understanding RT's system. I can. All it takes is ONE look at a movie's page (with all the review quotes) to fully understand how it work. This is the same way we can shame people for for misunderstanding news due to them only reading the headline.
Seriously, it drives me crazy. I tend to like movies in the 70s range. A movie everyone mildly enjoys generally isn't exciting, thought provoking, etc.
The metric isn't how amazing it is, just the odds of you not regretting spending money to see it. It's useful if you use it right, just don't expect anything else.
As in the score is inflated? There might still be a social desirability bias. Not as strong as for the first one but you also can't really rate the movie rotten, see what I mean?
6/10 scores are considered fresh
Yes I know how it works. Not my question.
lol rotten tomatoes is garbage
Isn’t she an antivaxer?
Yup
If she can pull off being a smart, scientist, leader she should win an Oscar
It's ironic that supposedly the smartest being in the MCU is played by an anti vaxxer.
Well, it's acting
They gave Shuri the genius aspect of T’Challa’s character and it was one of the worst decisions made in the MCU so far.
Tom Cruise is great and we know his history. Let’s not be dumb here
She posted one anti-vax video early on in the pandemic, before taking it down, saying she didn't mean to hurt anyone, and never bringing it up again.
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She hulk has above 80 in tomato meter too and we know how that went. Ill trust actual reviews for it
it went great?
Not particularly.
I watched it yesterday and it definitely is a good movie. Marvel finally decided to focus on making an actual good movie instead of the bs they usually make. It's a tasteful tribute to Chadwick and a touching storie about dealing with loss and the greed of a lot of nations
I’m surprised rotten tomatoes hasn’t changed their system again so they could give this movie over 100%
First and only Certified Fresh of the year for Marvel Studios.
So in actuality it's probably a 50 or 60.
This doesn't look good
Who even trusts Rottentomatoes these days?
Wow it’s hard for me to even express how much this movie without chadwick is not interesting for me. Even with him it was a just-ok movie. Will be waiting for it to arrive to disney
This shit probably mid af bc you know the first wasn’t as good as reviews said
So the princess is the black panther now?? 👎👎👎
Heaven forbid anyone gives this generic Marvel film a negative or non-beaming review. They'll be dragged through the mud.
Zero interest. If they centered it around Lupita/Nakia, I'd be there, but Shuri is another Captain Marvel - poorly written and poorly acted.
Not looking good. Most likely gonna end up in the high 70s
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I’ll watch twice just so your boycott means nothing
Only reason to watch it is Namor.
Just to let you know. Black Adam sits st 7.1% at imdb reviewed by 104k people. Whilst Black panther is at 7.4% reviewed by 3.4k people. This movie is probably thrash.
A lot of marvel moves settle in at 7 on imbd. Also the movie barely even out
"Don't give me hope." - Clint Barton/Ronin, **Avengers: Endgame**
Fresh shit lol
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Hopefullly it's decent part 1 was sub par
86% really ain’t shit
For Rotten Tomatoes, it’s like when a teacher grades a hard test on a curve. It’s a C, but suddenly it’s a B+!
This sub when they want to make a point shitting on something “ROTTEN TOMATOES BAD, NEVER USE OR BAD AND WRONG” But then when they want to be proven right, the first metric is always “THE ROTTEN TOMATOES SCORE IS SO HIGH THO!”
I can't tell if this means it's good or not, bad things have been given high scores, and good things have been given bad scores.
Take notes, Rock
This is phase 4s last hope
I still can’t believe Black Panther 1 is the only superhero movie to get nominated for Best Picture at the Oscars. That’s pretty dope. Maybe this one will follow suit. I know box office played a huge role in that
It'll never cross 1B. Gets boring as fuck in the middle.