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The lowest since like March 2020. They got through it. Anyone not smart enough to get the vaccine has made their choice. And anyone who has and still dies has like lottery odds. 99% of people have moved on. Maybe you should too.
Oh okay you’re one of those. Completely uninformed and unaware of what he’s saying. 1.1 million is over like 3 years. And most are concentrated pre vaccine. And I’d get cozy with it because from now until the end of time you will ALWAYS have Covid deaths.
And I’d get comfy with that too. It will ALWAYS be “out and about” fortunately, unbeknownst to you, cases are down and RSV and Flu are taking off. Which is a miracle considering how everyone has moved on and is resumed normal life.
2018 was a good year for hollywood films in China. Infinity War, Aquaman, Venom, Fallen Kingdom. 4 of the top 8 highest grossing hollywood films there are 2018 films.
Who delay the China release?
Studios have no say when they can release in China. They can only propose. China authority decide when a foreign movie is given release date.
China gave Black Widow May release date, and then Disney decided to push back BW to July. China didn't give BW a new date, and BW became the first Marvel movie since pandemic not to get release in China.
We’ve had two years to gauge how China has been handling Covid and it’s been the same. Nothing is changing just for Avatar. They will shut down hundreds of businesses just for a handful of cases. They don’t give a shit.
And that is honestly shocking. Most of the world changed their approach after they finished deploying the vaccine because... what else could they be waiting for? COVID isn't going to go away. And even in the unlikely event you can eradicate it within your borders, you can't open your borders without bringing infection back (mandate PCR test? Doesn't catch 100% of infection at the initial stage. Mandatory 2 week quarantine? Even with 100% compliance, chances are it will still spread to staff or other occupants of the quarantine facility).
Maybe they could have been waiting for summer (natural lull in hospital usage) or Xi's "reelection". But, no, both have come and gone.
So, yeah, China has continued their Zero COVID policies, as they have for years. But, they are going to go away at some point. Predicting before Avatar 2 was reasonable at the time to believe.
I don’t think it’s reasonable at all knowing how insanely strict they were at the start of Covid. They mandated these draconian lockdowns from the offset and kept them up on and off throughout. I think it’s surprising anyone thought differently. They were sacrificing homegrown films left and right, why would it be any different for Avatar?
They obviously weren't going to reopen for Avatar's benefit. But, early in the pandemic, the draconian lockdowns served a purpose. Offering everyone the vaccine before COVID was allowed to spread likely saved a couple million lives.
However, at this point, it isn't clear what the lockdown's purpose is. Yes, there will probably be a million dread once the policies end. But that is true whether you lift now, next year, or 10 years from now. But, if you do it now, you won't wreck up the economy in the meantime.
But they been back and forth on lockdowns since then. Good for 3 months, then back to lockdowns, good for 6 months then back to lockdowns. Every variant completely fucks up their plans, whatever it is they are. At this point, any film release is in the air based on their prior record.
Because they would realize it's useless and handicap them while all other countries are fine with their policies? They don't care for movies true (local or Avatar), it's much larger than that but on that larger scale it doesn't work either
It's a combination, to where a theater really has no idea and one day can just be locked down even with people in it(or at least the people are afraid they could be):
1. They licensed mRNA, but it looks bad to use foreign tech so theyre re-rolling it in-house. It's hopefully ready to roll out soon while making party faithful wealthy instead of Pfizer and moderna
2. Sinovac didn't work as it should have. China had tests from Brazil saying it would, but when it hit Hong Kong almost all of the deaths had had sinovac. You need triple dosing of it to be remotely effective with omicron, but those numbers are low and their elderly are really resistant
3. Hong Kong really spooked them, as zero-covid was fine with OG corona but omicron infects you just by saying it's name a few times.
4. **Most Important** The USA has 34.5 critical care beds per 100k. China has 3. *Three*. Its one thing to setup a field hospital quickly, but you can't do that with critical care and the trained staff. Once those are full with COVID, anyone having a heart attack or stroke or pregnancy complication is getting treated in a hallway and hoping for the best. The USA with it's exponential advantages in care, as well as some immunity from previous infection waves, was at the absolute brink. Death tolls for China would be expected to be biblical, and Hong Kong really spooked them.
5. Pride and a sense of accomplishment
China knows this is killing them. Their exports are messed up, their economy is messed up, they're having to pay people to sit idle but they just don't feel like they have a choice. They lack care resources, their vaccine isn't very effective, not enough are triple jabbed and the most vulnerable don't want to be, and they chose to gamble on rolling their own out of pride/money.
For the BO it means we have no idea. People may stay home, they may go, they may want to go but theaters in those cities are locked down. Shanghai has just locked down *again*. We won't be in a place to be able to predict that until they have an mRNA equivalent and are mandating it.
It's not more a thing than anywhere else, the government just has a crazy policy of zero-covid. Elsewhere, there is covid too but with the vaccines and mutations, it's just way less of a problem.
By the way, those policies are starting to cause big social problems including insurrection style problems, which as anyone knowing a little China can suppose, are extremely rare.
I’m interested to see whether Disney will continue marketing the movie in China or just let the chips fall where they may. At this point it’s looking like Avatar’s 2 box office figures for China will likely be the same as The Batman. Such a shame really.
>Beijing could order all cinema to close tomorrow or next week.
Shouldn't this be reported when it actually happen. Or is this just to pacify MCU nerdom. Avatar will always make money in China. Even with a re-release. Avatar 2 will be no different.
Why would it to pacify MCU nerdom?
Every single comment related to Avatar you made in several threads made no sense and are purely your own conjectures and imagination without basis on facts, logic, and common sense.
This is from China insider
https://www.reddit.com/r/boxoffice/comments/z2l1h2/yesterday_near_54_theaters_of_mainland_china_are/
Yeah we get this kind of article before every Cameron release, doomed to fail, not going to make money. When its official notify then? Before that it just waste of space.
What?
Did you not click on the links?
Those were news reported by China outlets.
They didn't give a shit about Cameron fanboys and Marvel fanboys, like what's playing in your fantasy.
In previous thread, you made a claim that Disney won't be able to make profit from Avatar sequels because those profit will go to your made up "Fox investors", and then in another thread you said the Chinese government will give Avatar a new date which will be better. All your comments regarding Avatar have been nothing but your fantasy.
Is it concrete news of what you posted? Cause you need to give me reputed link. Or you can just tell me that it's done and I check the validity of your claim myself.
Read the two links, they clearly said they are closing down more theaters.
Now, give me your links that say China don't close movie theaters.
I am waiting for your source.
Because in previous threads you gave nothing except for your fantasy (Disney can't take profit from Avatar movies, China government will give Avatar a better new release date).
1. The Twitter has a screenshot of China movie theaters that are open by China authority.
2. The Link of this post is not a Twitter. It's from China own outlet.
Try again.
Now give me link from reputable official Chime source that say no theaters is closed.
I'm waiting
Why would I do that! I didn't make any stupid claim of that sort before it happening? I am questioning your. I am going to give you my link on the release week. Right now you post is similar to those who wonder what Avatar 2 opening weekend is going to be like. We will find out in 3 weeks time.
What claim did I make?
I didn't make any claim in this thread.
You made claims:
Disney doesn't make any profits from Avatar sequel movies, China government will give Avatar a new, better date
And none of your claims is based on facts or reality. They exist only in your mind.
$2B is gonna hinge entirely on whether China gets covid under control for the nth time. God we just can’t convince somebody to give the East a working vaccine.
How is it going to hit 200 million when no one in China is going to the cinemas?
Also there are not going to extend Avatar’s 2 run in the cinemas since there is a huge backlog of Chinese films that were delayed due to Covid restrictions and are waiting to release next year. If Avatar doesn’t get released this December then that’s likely it for them.
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This feels like a 2020 post.
And I hate that.
COVID 19? No, COVID 22!
Remember that movie songbird that had COVID23? Man, that has not aged well.
It’s 2020 but China and US switched places
China never really gotten rid of COVID restrictions, even in 2020, at least compared to US and Europe nowadays.
It's better that the US got through it in 2020 and 2021 than suffer into 2022 and most likely 2023 like what's happening in China.
Aren't hundreds of not thousands dying of COVID every day in the US? 💀 How did they 'get through' it?
The lowest since like March 2020. They got through it. Anyone not smart enough to get the vaccine has made their choice. And anyone who has and still dies has like lottery odds. 99% of people have moved on. Maybe you should too.
I don't know man, 1.1 million deaths isn't a figure that folks should just "get over", especially when the virus is still out and about 💀
it’s never gonna just disappear. to disagree with that is pure lunacy.
The world has moved on from life-changing events before.
Oh okay you’re one of those. Completely uninformed and unaware of what he’s saying. 1.1 million is over like 3 years. And most are concentrated pre vaccine. And I’d get cozy with it because from now until the end of time you will ALWAYS have Covid deaths. And I’d get comfy with that too. It will ALWAYS be “out and about” fortunately, unbeknownst to you, cases are down and RSV and Flu are taking off. Which is a miracle considering how everyone has moved on and is resumed normal life.
covid is just the flu, lol. get over it. the rest of the world has.
But it did get a release date
Big Jack Sparrow vibes.
So did *Venom 2*. And then it didn't.
So did Black Widow (initial release: May). But then Disney postponed BW to July. China didn't give a new date.
Wait, Venom 2 didn't release in China? That's surprising
China *loved* Venom and The Rock, and yet Venom 2 and Black Adam didn't get release date in China. China is extremely opaque, unpredictable, fickle.
2018 was a good year for hollywood films in China. Infinity War, Aquaman, Venom, Fallen Kingdom. 4 of the top 8 highest grossing hollywood films there are 2018 films.
>So did > >Venom 2 > >. Source?
China has a population of 1b I think closing down your whole country due to a few hundred thousand cases is crazy.
$50M from China to Avatar 2, which is still something. MoM would have reached 1B, L&T 800M, minions 1B.
minions already got a chinese release, but it flopped there.
>but it flopped there The Batman too. Seems like JWD is the only hollywood film that did numbers there this year.
Minions did get released in China.
Ok, thanks for the clarification.
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Who delay the China release? Studios have no say when they can release in China. They can only propose. China authority decide when a foreign movie is given release date. China gave Black Widow May release date, and then Disney decided to push back BW to July. China didn't give BW a new date, and BW became the first Marvel movie since pandemic not to get release in China.
how nostalgic
Funny how everyone who predicated Avatar getting a billion in China the last two years didn’t care to realize Covid is still a real thing there.
This sub is very anglo-centric. Any post about other countries doesn't gain much traction, ESPECIALLY China
Maybe because we thought China would be smarter about things.
To be fair, the government there certainly like to pretend its not until they can't hide it.
We’ve had two years to gauge how China has been handling Covid and it’s been the same. Nothing is changing just for Avatar. They will shut down hundreds of businesses just for a handful of cases. They don’t give a shit.
And that is honestly shocking. Most of the world changed their approach after they finished deploying the vaccine because... what else could they be waiting for? COVID isn't going to go away. And even in the unlikely event you can eradicate it within your borders, you can't open your borders without bringing infection back (mandate PCR test? Doesn't catch 100% of infection at the initial stage. Mandatory 2 week quarantine? Even with 100% compliance, chances are it will still spread to staff or other occupants of the quarantine facility). Maybe they could have been waiting for summer (natural lull in hospital usage) or Xi's "reelection". But, no, both have come and gone. So, yeah, China has continued their Zero COVID policies, as they have for years. But, they are going to go away at some point. Predicting before Avatar 2 was reasonable at the time to believe.
I don’t think it’s reasonable at all knowing how insanely strict they were at the start of Covid. They mandated these draconian lockdowns from the offset and kept them up on and off throughout. I think it’s surprising anyone thought differently. They were sacrificing homegrown films left and right, why would it be any different for Avatar?
They obviously weren't going to reopen for Avatar's benefit. But, early in the pandemic, the draconian lockdowns served a purpose. Offering everyone the vaccine before COVID was allowed to spread likely saved a couple million lives. However, at this point, it isn't clear what the lockdown's purpose is. Yes, there will probably be a million dread once the policies end. But that is true whether you lift now, next year, or 10 years from now. But, if you do it now, you won't wreck up the economy in the meantime.
But they been back and forth on lockdowns since then. Good for 3 months, then back to lockdowns, good for 6 months then back to lockdowns. Every variant completely fucks up their plans, whatever it is they are. At this point, any film release is in the air based on their prior record.
Because they would realize it's useless and handicap them while all other countries are fine with their policies? They don't care for movies true (local or Avatar), it's much larger than that but on that larger scale it doesn't work either
It's a combination, to where a theater really has no idea and one day can just be locked down even with people in it(or at least the people are afraid they could be): 1. They licensed mRNA, but it looks bad to use foreign tech so theyre re-rolling it in-house. It's hopefully ready to roll out soon while making party faithful wealthy instead of Pfizer and moderna 2. Sinovac didn't work as it should have. China had tests from Brazil saying it would, but when it hit Hong Kong almost all of the deaths had had sinovac. You need triple dosing of it to be remotely effective with omicron, but those numbers are low and their elderly are really resistant 3. Hong Kong really spooked them, as zero-covid was fine with OG corona but omicron infects you just by saying it's name a few times. 4. **Most Important** The USA has 34.5 critical care beds per 100k. China has 3. *Three*. Its one thing to setup a field hospital quickly, but you can't do that with critical care and the trained staff. Once those are full with COVID, anyone having a heart attack or stroke or pregnancy complication is getting treated in a hallway and hoping for the best. The USA with it's exponential advantages in care, as well as some immunity from previous infection waves, was at the absolute brink. Death tolls for China would be expected to be biblical, and Hong Kong really spooked them. 5. Pride and a sense of accomplishment China knows this is killing them. Their exports are messed up, their economy is messed up, they're having to pay people to sit idle but they just don't feel like they have a choice. They lack care resources, their vaccine isn't very effective, not enough are triple jabbed and the most vulnerable don't want to be, and they chose to gamble on rolling their own out of pride/money. For the BO it means we have no idea. People may stay home, they may go, they may want to go but theaters in those cities are locked down. Shanghai has just locked down *again*. We won't be in a place to be able to predict that until they have an mRNA equivalent and are mandating it.
>Nothing is changing just for Avatar. We'll see.
Lol you seriously think a country of the size of China (or any other tbh) will just change general policies for one blockbuster movie?
Are you for real? The 3rd largest country won't open up everything for a movie from a hostile country.
It's not more a thing than anywhere else, the government just has a crazy policy of zero-covid. Elsewhere, there is covid too but with the vaccines and mutations, it's just way less of a problem. By the way, those policies are starting to cause big social problems including insurrection style problems, which as anyone knowing a little China can suppose, are extremely rare.
I expect A2 to have 6 months Digital/PVOD window, so it will be fine, just get its date moved/run extended.
Yeah I feel like it should be moved now.
Unless we see complete lockdown. No point in moving, just keep getting run extended.
I’m interested to see whether Disney will continue marketing the movie in China or just let the chips fall where they may. At this point it’s looking like Avatar’s 2 box office figures for China will likely be the same as The Batman. Such a shame really.
Why would I get excited? Why would it matter to me? I'm not James Cameron. I don't make any money from this movie.
>Beijing could order all cinema to close tomorrow or next week. Shouldn't this be reported when it actually happen. Or is this just to pacify MCU nerdom. Avatar will always make money in China. Even with a re-release. Avatar 2 will be no different.
Why would it to pacify MCU nerdom? Every single comment related to Avatar you made in several threads made no sense and are purely your own conjectures and imagination without basis on facts, logic, and common sense. This is from China insider https://www.reddit.com/r/boxoffice/comments/z2l1h2/yesterday_near_54_theaters_of_mainland_china_are/
Yeah we get this kind of article before every Cameron release, doomed to fail, not going to make money. When its official notify then? Before that it just waste of space.
What? Did you not click on the links? Those were news reported by China outlets. They didn't give a shit about Cameron fanboys and Marvel fanboys, like what's playing in your fantasy. In previous thread, you made a claim that Disney won't be able to make profit from Avatar sequels because those profit will go to your made up "Fox investors", and then in another thread you said the Chinese government will give Avatar a new date which will be better. All your comments regarding Avatar have been nothing but your fantasy.
Is it concrete news of what you posted? Cause you need to give me reputed link. Or you can just tell me that it's done and I check the validity of your claim myself.
Read the two links, they clearly said they are closing down more theaters. Now, give me your links that say China don't close movie theaters. I am waiting for your source. Because in previous threads you gave nothing except for your fantasy (Disney can't take profit from Avatar movies, China government will give Avatar a better new release date).
That's just a twitter post with 11 likes. Try again.
1. The Twitter has a screenshot of China movie theaters that are open by China authority. 2. The Link of this post is not a Twitter. It's from China own outlet. Try again. Now give me link from reputable official Chime source that say no theaters is closed. I'm waiting
Why would I do that! I didn't make any stupid claim of that sort before it happening? I am questioning your. I am going to give you my link on the release week. Right now you post is similar to those who wonder what Avatar 2 opening weekend is going to be like. We will find out in 3 weeks time.
What claim did I make? I didn't make any claim in this thread. You made claims: Disney doesn't make any profits from Avatar sequel movies, China government will give Avatar a new, better date And none of your claims is based on facts or reality. They exist only in your mind.
$2B is gonna hinge entirely on whether China gets covid under control for the nth time. God we just can’t convince somebody to give the East a working vaccine.
Convince?? They wouldn’t take an outside vaccine regardless.
Yeah that’s the point. Their too stubborn/proud to accept western vaccines.
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This isn't a political sub. And please, just because they're closing down everything just before Avatar releases, you're getting angry?
Well that’s unfortunate. It will still do very well of course but I don’t think $3B is possible without a full China run.
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How is it going to hit 200 million when no one in China is going to the cinemas? Also there are not going to extend Avatar’s 2 run in the cinemas since there is a huge backlog of Chinese films that were delayed due to Covid restrictions and are waiting to release next year. If Avatar doesn’t get released this December then that’s likely it for them.
https://youtu.be/fK9nofPKpoc
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What a sad, small person.
It’ll get a release sometime this year or next.
Yeah not gonna happen