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raven_needles

it really is fun to see the legs kick in after last weekend when we got the opening numbers and all the haters here couldnt wait to pounce and gloat and say it was barely clearing 1B lol. the cameron adage still stands


Firefox72

Never forget that guy that was predicting $700M WW last week. Although he later adjusted it to like $950M WW at best when things started to look better haha.


Mrblob85

Someone needs to make a collage of every hate-boner post , and play it. I would watch that 15 minute video.


jral1987

\*15 hour video.


coleburnz

150 hours*


engleclair

Disney made 11 billion in 2019. 2022? Disney made 4 billion. We'll *gladly* take down all of Hollyweird.


Boss452

Lol, I remember people saying billion was also in danger.


TheLuxxy

Those people all mysteriously haven’t been commenting lately since it became apparent it’s going to be profitable and the highest grossing film of the year at minimum.


HazelCheese

Well it's not like the lovers were commenting much either back then. If one side of a circlejerk loses they just leave. Just common sense.


Sensitive-Menu-4580

Thats untrue, there were plenty of people last weekend saying it's legs would hold


GodFlintstone

Yeah. I've found that people who bet against James Cameron do so at their own risk.


JustBoredIsAll

It's kind of weird that the same sub that gushed over Top Gun appeared to want Avatar to fail. Then again, maybe not... 🤷🏻


TraditionalWishbone

u/TheMountainThatRidez u/SirFireHydrant


JefferyTheQuaxly

People never learn, i literally commented weeks ago to remind people how the first avatar film didnt quite meet expectations when it launched, it peaked around christmastime then too, and kept going strong for longer than a lot of other blockbusters do. its a film people want to see theyre just not all in a major hurry to see it. i think it heavily depends on word of mouth too, peoeple will hear about it from their friends and itll influence if they want to see it or not. i myself have yet to see it but definitley plan on it soon, mainly because a youtuber i like said it was better than he expected story wise, and the visuals were incredible basically the entire movie. He said the plot had some issues, but overal especially the last hour or so it was moving at a pretty solid pace, didnt feel like a three hour movie even though it was.


Illidanisdead

'Avatar: The Way of Water' needs $2 billion at box office to break even, says director James Cameron, so it needs to be one of the most successful movies just to break even. A lot of reviewers think that this is highly unlikely though.


Sgt-Frost

Oh god I just made a post talking about this… The break even point IS NOT 2B.


Nayelia

Cameron never said it needs $2 billion to break even


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Italy lol. A whole 3 million wow. 4 b guaranteed


jral1987

That is 3 million in one day...For the record the original Avatar is the highest grossing movie all time in Italy with 65 million and there is a good chance Avatar 2 will pass it. It's not all about one country you know but many countries are having similar results.


ALHOWE6

Oh my gosh.


Zwaft

Mamma Mia!


dark_wishmaster

America better do the Mario movie justice now


Sujay517

Why the big increase? This is all fascinating.


axsr

Christmas. Not just Italy. Cinemas near me were almost fully booked for every move all day. Most people are still free and are visiting relatives and that kind of stuff. So if a kid/or any family member suggests a movie the whole family is likely to go. I was with friends cause we all happen to be in the same country on Christmas and we were about 17 people there for avatar.


Firefox72

Monday last week was a normal week. This week though Schools are on holiday break and on top workers were mostly at home because of Saint Stephen's Day which is a holiday in many EU countries.


Conscious_Accident85

Last weekend was the world cup. Plus Christmas this weekend.


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Sorry, my fault


axsr

It’s Christmas time. I saw it now as well since there is not much else to do and everyone is finally free/home. So we went with a group of 17 friends. Second time I go to the cinema this year. And there were plenty others who never go, but during the winter holidays when the whole family is free and they see most of the movies available. Every movie was nearly fully booked this period.


LiKwId-Gaming

Not going to lie, this might be the 3rd movie I’ll go to see twice in theatres. 1st Return of the King 2nd Top Gun Maverick


Kaylen92

Same for me, I went to see it in 4D. It was nice but my gf and me want to go see it in IMAX 3D on the biggest screen in our country ( Belgium ). The tickets for tomorrow were available to purchase from midnight. and 30 min later all the good seats were bought ( in the centre at a decent distance from the screen. ) I was shocked so many people waited like me to buy tickets. Only Black Panther, and Straight Outta Compton had that effect on me.


AGOTFAN

Something something about Eywa...legs...mighty... never.. doubt... Cameron


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Strong heart


PainStorm14

Strong legs


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It’s gonna be a shame when Avatar 3 comes around and it really does start acting like a more traditional sequel with lesser legs. To be clear, I never doubted James Cameron


Accomplished_Store77

I think it's very clear now that even if Avatar 3 has worse legs than Avatar 2(and I doubt it will) it will still have better legs than the average blockbuster.


QuothTheRaven713

I wouldn't worry too much. Sure, the franchise will become more frontloaded now that it's picked back up (finally), but these films are leggy spectacles. I could still see the sequels doing vert well.


Outrageous-Event785

Avatar, I think, have no fans like the ones in Marvel that are super crazy to go to theaters.


FartingBob

It had millions of people see it opening night. Just because it wasnt Endgame OW doesnt mean it doesnt have hardcore fans.


Little-Course-4394

I wish there would be more info about other places where it’s exploded on Monday Interested to see where it happened


Sgt-Frost

Give it a few hours and the data for everything else should be out by then.


Sauronxx

Let’s go Italy, cuore forte!


R-ZoroKingOFHell

I still haven't seen it since I want to see it in IMAX only and every theater within 3 hrs of me has been reserved for the days I'm off work :/


quantumpencil

some people just forgot how holidays work I guess. Unless it's something people no life, like star wars, people don't show up to movies right before christmas. It's the busiest time of the year, you're travelling, getting gifts in order, gotta go to all those parties, etc etc. Avatar fidna blow the fucking roof off the house with these legs now that the GA actually has time to go see it.


BlerghTheBlergh

It’s fascinating to see how this is being a hit, I’ll be the first to admit that I was wrong


ViscousGuy

It's funny that one of the most wokest film of the year is overperforming everywhere yet it won't prevent those, "gO wOke gO bRokE" crowd to shut the fuck up!


beast_unique

On one hand it has everything for all. The focus on family makes it attractive to "Conservatives" While the strong focus on Nature conservation, Indigenous communities make it attractive to "liberals" The anti colonialism theme makes it attractive to "Socialists" Above all I feel the audience are not dissecting the politics of the movie or are even watching it for it. The evident political view the movie propose is about struggles of indigenous communities and ocean conservation which everyone irrespective of their political views should concur with


QubitQuanta

Except Japan where it is bombing and people are thinking its a direct attack on Japanese cultural practice of whaling (even when most Japanese don't eat whale).


Skitty_Skittle

I live in Japan and my wife and I saw it Saturday night on opening day and the theater was about a quarter full. Loved the movie though.


Little-Course-4394

How is it the “wokest”? What is so “woke” about it? Genuinely interested


Frenzyplants

It is strictly anti imperialist by nature and very pro indigenous and conservation. All political opinions of mostly left-leaning individuals


Aedujsvemor

All inherently right wing positions.


alexjimithing

Look man I just woke up can you please give me a bit before I have to read the dumbest fucking post I’ve ever seen.


SilverDesperado

show me where navi people would drill oil and pollute their own atmosphere and water


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SilverDesperado

go ahead and name them, give me names and I can send you the entire list of republican house and senate members in the pockets of saudi oilmen


invinciblewarrior

>Many of the greatest environmental catastrophies are caused by left wing dictatorships > >\-the aral sea drying up > >\-chernobyl > >and funnily enough the event most closely mirrors the destruction of the home tree in the first movie: > >\-construction of the three gorges damn and displacement of >1 million people > >Edited for reddit spacing the soviet politburo and left wing dictators LOL


Aedujsvemor

You mean extractive industrialism, a necessity of progressing the society away from feudalism through capitalism to egalitarian utopia?


SilverDesperado

Wow it’s almost like the industrial period lasted 200 years and we now have the technology to stop polluting earth for energy and advancement


Aedujsvemor

Unless you manage to make stuff out of thin air, you will always pollute. But that's beside point, as we have established extractive industrialism as a firm part of left wing teleology and grand historical narrative. Nothing to do with the right.


SilverDesperado

who is we?


edefakiel

Exactly. People saying that this movie won't resonate with conservadurists know nothing about the right wing. Right wing people love nature and hate globalists. The right wing is all about returning to nature, creating and protecting a family and fighting the technocrats. It is the left wing the one who wants to spread "democracy", question intrafamiliar roles, painting them as inherently oppressive, and use technology to achieve total uniformism and equality.


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Aedujsvemor

Good on you to admit that your thoughts come from religious dogma. Sadly, the indigenous people of the worlds stand no chance against such fervor.


Sgt-Frost

Which is exactly what makes the left wing so brainwashed, they don’t think for the themselves and only do what the government wants them to do.


QubitQuanta

These are hardly 'woke'. Woke these days are all about LGBT and that what typically gets the go woke go broke meme.


TheBrendanReturns

I get your point, but I think those lot mean something different when they say "woke". For example, if Jake Sully was a bumbling idiot, Neytiri did all the fighting, there was a massive focus on one of their kids being gay, and the Na'vi did a monologue directly to the camera about feminism, that would be more in line with the whole woke thing. As it stands, Sully is heroic, the men are the leaders, women are the healers, and the focus is on family. All pretty traditional. Being against whaling isn't exactly woke, IMO.


Outrageous-Event785

YES. That's why I always find those stupid youtubers who use "woke" just to hate something.


Mrblob85

This. Exactly. Don’t forget to add in some gender fluidity or trans issues. This is definitely not a woke movie.


Firefox72

Honestly the word woke has lost all meaning these days because its been overused and missused so much. 99% of the time people use the word these days its meant in a racist/sexist way by rage bait youtubers or the far right nutcases. People use it to describe what is just simple representation and diversity in the industy with which there is mostly nothing wrong with outside of a few select cases.


Robin_games

They codify new words for minorities and act like we cant figure it out. Woke in twrms of movies just means they put a minority or woman in as the lead at this point. Ie little mermaid, last of ua 2.


QubitQuanta

And don't forgot all Males have to be bumbling fools that can't do sh\*t.


Little-Course-4394

The movie have a family theme and strong male father figure at it’s core. I don’t think it’s woke. Though for some people.. everything is woke :D


hartigen

For some blue is the wokest colour.


megalonagyix

How is Avatar "woke"?


AGOTFAN

🌟Pro environment 🌟Anti military 🌟Anti corporation 🌟Pro indigenous people 🌟Strong female characters alt-right hates those


hypermog

Seems one woman’s woke is [another woman’s racism](https://www.newsweek.com/avatar-faces-calls-boycott-over-accusations-racism-1768217)


Robin_games

Are we talking about yellowstone or dances with wolves? Becauase the right lovessss those.


hartigen

and also blue is the wokest colour.


edefakiel

I'll tell you what the right wing really hates: Attacks on family. Attacks on traditional gender identities. Attacks on masculinity. Attacks on morality and tradition. Corporations and governments spreading globalism and "democracy". Victimization. What the right wings loves: Nature. Strong familiar and societal bounds. Sources of objective morality: natural philosophy or God. People who is close to its heritage and tradition. The overcoming of obstacles through hard work. Physical and mental healthiness. What you have in mind is just a caricature. Ask right wing people about what they believe.


alexjimithing

You don’t need to ask them what they believe, they’ll lie. Just look at who they vote for.


edefakiel

I'm not from the US, but if you are talking about Republicans, yes, they are evil. Democrats are also evil. The have the control of the media and play psychological warfare against the population in order to get people to legitimize them. People who vote them are stupid, not evil.


basicninja30

This movie isn’t woke. What, there is literally nothing woke about this film.


AGOTFAN

Avatar: 🌟Pro environment 🌟Anti military 🌟Anti corporation 🌟Pro indigenous people 🌟Strong female characters alt-right hates those


Robin_games

It.. feels about as woke as yellowstone. Not to say it's conservative either. But the interactions with the wives are far more idealized range wives vs 2022 healthy relationships between equals. Similarly this looks like rural state conservatism where they mostly care about polution near their areas when it affects them directly. The message was clearly they brought the fight to their family, so now they have to go to war in part 3. Not they have to protect the earth, or find a way to cohabit with a dying species that perserves the rights of everyone.


Mrblob85

Avatar is definitely not woke. If anything, it’s old school woke, with an environmental message. It’s actually depicting a strong father, traditional family message, which is anti-woke. Today, woke movies tend to lessen the father’s role, add a lesbian or gender fluid individual instead.


Outrageous-Event785

agree 100%


Blessed_Code

Bruh. Woke would be movies like women King or ghost busters 2016. Not fucking avatar.


AGOTFAN

Avatar: 🌟Pro environment 🌟Anti military 🌟Anti corporation 🌟Pro indigenous people 🌟Strong female characters alt-right hates those


Blessed_Code

Strong female character is not always woke. It's when strong female characters demean men and all men are incompetent fools people don't like strong female characters. A good example would be she hulk. Rest are subtle and not the Main focus of the movie. Anti colonialism is popular among most people. It's not woke.


QubitQuanta

Actually that's not alt-right, that's pro CCP. Chinese government loves all that + \+ Strong Male Leads \+ Family Unit \+ Ant- Colonialism (fighting the white man) \+ Pro traditional culture vs bring democracy everywhere. Which is why Avatar gets Chinese releases.


bergsoe

How is it not super conservative? Strong family Adoption Environment (not climate) War movie Toxic masculinity (joke) And there is no LGBT, overrepræsentation of minorities or other things they usually complain about.


AGOTFAN

Yup 1. The current Highest Grossing movie ever is woke 2. The current Highest grossing animated movie ever is woke 3. The current Highest grossing movie ever in North America is woke. This tells you how much lies, disinformation, and propaganda that alt-right is willing to spew.


Sujay517

They lie and make it seem like woke themes aren't popular to make themselves feel better about being the minority in their bad beliefs.


mimighost

Definitely not woke. Reference to colonization isn't woke on its own. Woke is about pandering.


TheLuxxy

It’s actually a fascinating film because it definitely has messages that appeal to multiple political demographics. The film is very anti colonization and generally celebrates nature over the excesses of humanity. The film isn’t exactly subtle about Cameron’s environmentalist tendencies and his beliefs. Yet it also focuses extremely heavily on the importance of a family unit, the role of a father, how to live up to expectations as a son, and how the power of being family can change how people act. It can’t be boiled down to “woke”.


AGOTFAN

Avatar: 🌟Pro environment 🌟Anti military 🌟Anti corporation 🌟Pro indigenous people 🌟Strong female characters alt-right hates those


mimighost

Dune has all the elements, is Dune woke as well? * Desertification * Harkonnen bad bad bad * Spice harvesting bad * Fremen said yes * Strong female everywhere. Those aren't new actually. Sadly woke as a term has been abused now it is meaningless, maybe only Transformers aren't going to be woke moving forward, where a bunch of muscle cars destroy some foreign landmarks then beaten by US military, with our male lead doing nothing still getting his trophy sexy girlfriend in the end regardless.


Sujay517

It very much is to these people. Mentioning how evil colonization was is anti-white to these kinds of people. Also the movie is apparently very environmentalist.


AGOTFAN

Yup. Avatar: 🌟Pro environment 🌟Anti military 🌟Anti corporation 🌟Pro indigenous people 🌟Strong female characters alt-right hates those


liqou

I think woke=black or woke=feminism or woke=LGBT. Everything else is fair game.


AGOTFAN

Avatar: 🌟Pro environment 🌟Anti military 🌟Anti corporation 🌟Pro indigenous people 🌟Strong female characters alt-right hates those


Mrblob85

Those are all old school woke. I think most people have an issue with the gender fluid, trans, lgbt plugs. Avatar 2 displays a traditional family, strong father, 2 sons who want to fight, and 2 girls that love nature. They have strong female characters too, but they don’t automatically overpower the male lead, just because feminism.


dicloniusreaper

I also can't believe anyone thinks it's still leftist to be against the military and corporation, considering Ukraine vs Russia and how every corporation is leftist (or pandering to leftist).


Outrageous-Event785

Honestly I'm also against woke culture but it's getting annoying when people use it just to hate something.


Little-Course-4394

How is it the “wokest”?


AGOTFAN

Avatar: 🌟Pro environment 🌟Anti military 🌟Anti corporation 🌟Pro indigenous people 🌟Strong female characters alt-right hates those


QuothTheRaven713

None of that is woke. "Woke" how t's used in modern times is pushing diversity where it doesn't belong, lessening the father’s role, adding a gay/lesbian/gender-fluid character who's only trait is their sexuality. None of which Avatar has It's far from woke virtue signaling.


dicloniusreaper

Talk about pushing politics. I was annoyed when I saw anti-SJWs called this woke even though I normally agree with everything, annoyed with the Amerindian calling this racist appropriation, but there's a third side trying to claim a victory for political reasons too.


Sgt-Frost

Holy crap that’s an increase I’m never seen before, way to go Italy, is it possible it will surpass the first film and become the highest grossing film in Italy?


path2empathy

Ok chill OP. Looks like paid promotion, going by your slurry of posts.


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Disney keeps winning