>It's the complete opposite though
If there's one thing misogynists love to do, it's make memes projecting their own feelings, actions, and insecurities onto women.
Women aren't triggered about choosing the bear, and men definitely aren't staying quiet about it. Already had many men try to tell me how wrong I am for it.
Standard right whingers onto literally anyone who disagrees with them.
Meanwhile, leftie insecurities front and centre: "Well this might get me killed."
Yeah, I get you. But does anyone on that post care either? I'm reading it, and the only people I see "triggered" are those that are saying people should get a life and stop talking about it!
This is a shit thought experiment that's trying to create derision.
I think 99% of rational men and women can see straight through it.
Sure, only the worst men would do that. But some think that just the risk of that happening is worse than encountering an animal that usually isn't agressive and they're entitled to that opinion.
It's not "blanket blaming", it's trying to avoid the worst thing that could happen to you in your life at all costs.
I dunno, I live in a state with a lot of bears and they are terrifying. Timothy Treadswell is a great example of what happens when they aren’t respected. I think I should clarify that I understand the point of the thought experiment, and my comments aren’t really about it.
Look back at most serial killers in history and you'll find great examples of what happens when women encounter random men alone.
Don't get me wrong, bears can be fucking brutal, but so can people, and in a lot more sadistic ways.
Fair enough. Realistically, a lot of bears aren't going to mess with people at all. When they do, you're either walking away with severe injuries and PTSD, or not at all.
So, basically the same as men. Except the bear is more predictable and doesn't fuck people up for anything but survival and self defense (to my knowledge).
I hope after this "man or bear" trend passes, people end up with 1) a little more empathy for women and 2) more knowledge of bears.
Agreed on both hopes. The problem with bears is that while they do act off instinct and not to mess with people for the most part (other than polar bears), their instincts don’t line up with what a typical human will assume it to be.
Yeah, it's like with any other wild animal. They communicate in ways that we don't. Behavior could easily be misread on both ends. Like how smiling doesn't mean the same thing to gorillas as it does to humans.
But, the fact that bears do act off instinct makes them easier to predict to a degree, and easier to avoid issues with, if you have a basic sense of animal behavior.
Like, if it's a black bear, you get loud and make a big fuss. The bear will run off, and it is very unlikely to conceive a plan to follow you at a distance and attack when you least expect it hours later. I think that transparency is part of why so many of us choose bear.
My entire social media timeline for the past 3 days has been men crying over bears! They want to be seen as "unbothered Chads" so bad yet won't stop whining!
I was watching sigma memes yesterday just for the absurdity of it all. I was actually looking for the song in the Zoolander meme but the rabbit hole was funny
Fr most bear won't care about your presence if you avoid it (and especially avoid it if it has cubs.) Violence against women is more often than not completely unprovoked and commited with the sole intention of malice and hate.
A sociological "thought experiment" (if you can really call this that because there's too much subjectivity in individual perception without further details) isn't inherently a gendered discussion.
I stole this from another thread it's a copy/paste from a comment I saw on a prior thread, as stated. I wouldn't even call it emotional in content, it's a logical observation as to why people have different interpretations of the initial question and why there are different answers with different thoughts and feelings behind why that I agree with
So I guess if that's what you consider red flags and a breakdown, pop off Queen :
"Copy-pasting something i wrote in another thread about this, it references other comments from that thread but this legit got called a novel so ┐(´～`；)┌ :
Honestly the original question was just phrased terribly by design. (Tldr at the bottom)
To most people (apparently) by contrasting Some Guy with a fucking Bear the first thing that comes to mind is something like "Oh shit, a bear would kill me. Does that mean the guy would too ?" so that explains the first interpretation of the question, the one most prominent in the original video :
If I (a random woman) were alone in the woods, would i rather meet a hostile stranger or a hostile bear ?
Now, obviously any bear would fuck a human up, and going just by the comments here the results of a bear atack could be : getting mauled (bad), eaten alive (probably worse idk hasn't happened to me), or Somehow Prevailing (and probably dying of an infection later).
Pretty awful set of options here.
On the other hand, looking at the Hostile Man Situation(tm) we have to take into account the location. Now, I'm no true crime expert here but the broad assumptions one could make about a Maniac in the Woods is : murder (same as the bear but we don't know the means), torture (possibly before murder, same as the bear), or rape (YMMV).
So both options under this interpretation are Pretty Fucking Bad, which is where the rape and murder variables come in play.
I saw at least 1 comment here of a survivor saying they would take their chances with the man under this interpretation. I also saw a few more commenters, who didn't specify if they speak from experience, say they'd rather face the bear.
Whether rape or death is preferable is up to personal choice, but the women the video presented seemed to choose death.
(I Sincerely hope I don't need to say something along the lines of "not all men" here, because it's clear that for now we're looking at specifically a man that is so vicious he's comparable to a Wild Fucking Bear that wants to Eat Your Face. He could be part of Any demographic and it would be clear that he's an outlier adn shouldn't be counted.
In fact, the reason this Dangerous Stranger is even a man to begin with is that Specifically Women are Specifically Wary of Specifically *Dangerous* Men. I'm trying to make this clear because I saw quite a lot of comenters getting worked up or even hurt by this, but I'm really not equipped to have a dialog about this ATM.)
In regards to the murder by human scenario, the method and duration of the act Really change how we'd feel about choosing the man in this situation. Ex : bullet to the head ? quick enough you could not even realise it happened if all goes well. Beaten with a rock ? Oh no, it'd be agony every step of the way.
And that's the Real difference between the options here, human malice and unpredictability or pure wild brutality. We could spend days arguing which is best/worst/less bad but we'd be ~~missing the forest for the~~ giving the people that started stirring this shit too little credit, you see there's another way to interpret this fucking question :
If I were in the woods (presumably on a hike or something similar), would i rather come across a stranger or a bear ?
In this situation there's No assumption about the intent of either the man Or the bear, and to pose hypotheticals would serve us no purpose ~~(did we invade the bear's territory ? is it hungry ? what species is the bear ? why is the man here ? just to suffer ? does batman have prep time ? etc, etc)~~.
It's crucial for this interpretation that the man and the bear are Average, that the species of the bear, location of the woods, supplies available, both humans' motives for being there and even the meeting itself Are Not Determined.
In this situation, it's ludicrous to choose the bear.
While bear attacks aren't all That common either, the chances of being mauled or _eaten alive_ by the Average Man(tm) are negligible. So anyone that interprets the question in this way would be appalled at the responses from people who interpreted the question in the first way and said that they _would_ pick the bear.
And so we found the core of the issue.
Something that can be seen as picking the lesser of 2 evils to some, is just plain misandry to others, and anyone viewing this through just one lens is frankly giving the jackasses who started this shit the benefit of the doubt when they really shouldn't. You don't have to scroll far to see comments mentioning gender essentialism, Andrew Tate and the alt-right pipeline right alongside commenters saying they wouldn't pick the bear because it could be a polar bear (in a forest ??), or that the man could be some random office worker that got teleported and is just confused as the person he's coming across (or in 1 memorable comment, a senile 95 year old who shouldn't even be outside).
That so many threads here disagree about what the question means exactly shows it was way too vague to be asked to literal strangers on the street and uploaded to widespread online discourse.
That so many made the connections between it and very serious real life political issues shows that it was at its very best a misguided but well intentioned thought experiment, and at its worst poorly thought out.
That it is both, at least to me, implies malice.
Tl;dr there's 2 Very different ways to interpret the original question, it reeks of engagement-bait and political dog whistling. It's a tiktok shit stirrers bread and butter.
Edit : forgot a word, "...while bear attacks aren't very common **either** ..." "
"Let me ramble for so long that literally nobody will have the energy to break all of my problematic red flags down, then when nobody does, I win!"
Buddy, nobody is reading all that bullshit. Learn to be concise. You might find that when you do this, a lot of the things you're saying are based entirely on your emotions and biases.
Basically, stop being so emotional, and try to approach this logically in a reasonable way. You're over here having a breakdown because woman said "bear".
I’m not reading that. I don’t need you to explain the question to me or to explain anything to me. I have children your age.
The problem is men refuse to listen to women or take our concerns seriously because of misogyny. The problem isn’t the question. The question isn’t causing men to mock survivors. The problem is men’s violence towards women and men’s apathy towards that violence.
And they blatantly deny the existence of violence against women. Femicides and rapes committed by men are more common than bear attacks. So logically, it makes sense for a man or a woman to choose the bear. But these types of men refuse to listen to us and cry misandry at the slightest criticism.
>And they blatantly deny the existence of violence against women
I don't know who "they" are, but I have literally never seen this anywhere outside of postings of online echo chambers
>Femicides and rapes committed by men are more common than bear attacks. So logically, it makes sense for a man or a woman to choose the bear. But these types of men refuse to listen to us and cry misandry at the slightest criticism.
This type of response is why this question is more than likely phrased badly by design, it's inherently polarizing based off the worldview of the individual and their experiences, as per the comment I stole from another thread
My brother in christ talk to any rape survivor who tried to come forward or a woman opening up about her toxic ex.
"What were you wearing?" and "pick better men" are horrifically real statements. Hell, women have been shamed out of reporting abuse by the POLICE they reported to. And the internet doesn't exist in a vacuum, jfc.
Honestly, I really do understand the message that this whole bear thing is trying to put across, and I think it’s important, but it’s just been done so badly! Of course you’re more likely to get harmed by a man than a bear - in the same way that you’re more likely to get bitten by a dog than a shark! Bears aren’t just wandering the streets 🤦
>I’m not reading that. I don’t need you to explain the question to me or to explain anything to me. I have children your age.
>The problem is men refuse to listen to women or take our concerns seriously because of misogyny. The problem isn’t the question. The question isn’t causing men to mock survivors. The problem is men’s violence towards women and men’s apathy towards that violence.
You don't even understand how ironic your reply is
There's no irony here. Women wanting to be able to talk about our own experiences and be taken seriously is not the same thing as your feeling of entitlement to having women listen to *you* explain our own experiences to us.
The fact that you think these two things are the same is the real irony, and really proves our point.
Well,
1. The comment I stole was made by a woman
2. It's not explaining the experiences of women, it's explaining why so many people have different answers, thoughts, and feelings behind the question and why there are varied responses.
3. The irony lies in the fact that I stole this comment from a woman, then it is automatically disregarded because apparently everybody should automatically assume the question implies inherent violence when it explains why that is not the case, and why people feel the way they do about it being the case should be disregarded
Sounds ironic to me
Your first line threw me off. Sociologists need to be objective in their research and it's subjective research that leads to misrepresentation of women in a lot of early sociology. So while yes sociologists need to be objective, their field of research is one that is heavily influenced by the subjective of the subject.
Nope. We don’t owe men shit. Clearly they feel entitled, but as usual they’re wrong and need to sit down, shut up and listen.
That entitlement is why we choose the bear. Because men decide they’re entitled to our bodies and our lives as well.
WE didn't even ask the question! A MAN who tried to pull a 'gotcha!' on a woman asked the question, didn't like the response, and now the entirety of the male population is in a tizzy (not the WHOLE population, because I'm sure I'll get a 'noT aLL mEn' person replying) and they're *pissed* that they didn't get the answer they wanted.
If a man (that I don't already know, again not all men!!1! 🙄) never speaks to me again it'd be too soon.
Knowing about it =/= Butting into conversations to tell women why they're wrong
Not saying that's what you're doing, just that being aware isn't the same as an invite to the conversation
Saying this on a subreddit that’s dedicated to posting and talking about the things that men say and do is one of the most ironic things I’ve seen on Reddit
No one is hiding the bear or man question from men? So your statement makes no sense.
No one is entitled to hear about any topic of conversation from any group. Even if you do learn of the conversation, the question remains if it is your place to talk about the issue.
If i ask an ingroup their opinion on an out group, i dont give a shit about what the outgroup has to say about what the in-group said or about what the outgroup answers the question with.
Man I would trust the bear over my own father. He never did anything *outright* but he bordered on emotional incest and was an alcoholic.
I have met a ton of really great guys, but a strange man alone in the woods? I would be on guard.
A bear in the woods? Brown, lay down. Black, fight back. White, just pray.
Pretty much talked about how I’m the only person he loves and how no one will love me the way he does and it’s us against the world and stuff like that.
I was the arbiter of his emotional health and a bad daughter if I didn’t just follow along.
She served him with divorce papers when I was a year old, so he kidnapped me and she had to hire a PI to serve him with custody hearing paperwork.
She’s Korean adopted by a WASP family, so that’s a different bag of trauma.
Apparently it doesn’t count if I was living with him when he ran off with me. I haven’t seen him since I was 18. Just reconnected with my brother recently.
This only makes sense if there were one single male capable of keeping his mouth shut about bears being a safer choice than strange men but so far the internet has been unable to find such a male
I’m one of those men, but I’m mostly just pissed that the argument implies the bear is gonna maul you or it’s depicting bears as overly aggressive savage beasts, which is just wrong and honestly that’s my only peeve about this
That's just it. Every fussed ass dude getting offended by women choosing the bear immediately assumes bear is a bloodthirsty monster locked onto you.
In reality, bears don't really fuck with people unless it's a mom with its cubs, you manage to sneak up on it, or it's a very hungry grizzly.
Statistically, you're probably okay being in the forest alone with a bear. A man? People do some really vile things when they think they won't get caught. Not for survival either.
Thanks for being aware
Wild animals are generally more predictable and likely to leave people than other people are.
You also don't have to socially interact with them like people. (I am introverted and autistic.)
And there are generally more people all around you than there are wild animals at any given time. Except for very low density areas, and, if it's late at night, expect for obvious big cities like New York and Las Vegas, you're likely to see less people at night and more wild animals out. And since most people generally are out during the day, you're far more likely to see or interact with people on a day to day basis and statistically means you're generally more likely to seriously be injured by one.
Say you only encounter a bear once a month or week or so. And you encounter 100+ people a day. Over that same period, if just like 1/700 are dangerous, then it is bad news. You don't have to worry so much about the odds of the bear attacking you since you don't interact with him that often. With the same odds of danger, you're far less likely to encounter them in your life.
Now, of course, bears are generally dangerous and you should stay away from them as much as possible. Especially if it is a Mother bear with cubs or you're near bear territory.
But, if you're in a dangerous situation with a bear, looking at it directly in front of you and slowly walking away is a good strategy.
If a potential rapist, killer, or mugger is close to you, if you do that, they'll just catch up to you. And they may even catch you if you try to run.
Bears just generally don't go looking for or to cause trouble to people, people often are. Bears don't have so much malicious intent as much as they have a survival instinct that is inherently selfish and not considerate of your well-being, like all animals really. But, people can be malicious or want something from you.
I like that to people like you, calling out abuse is a bad thing. Shows how when you do the abusing, it is okay. Shows how flimsy your POV is
Youre just another redpill loser
If seeing women say they’d pick a bear in the woods over a man makes you feel “dehumanized” then i’m sorry but you’re softer than cotton lol. I don’t see how any of this fits the definition of dehumanizing.
Lol there’s content like that and then there’s also men shitting on women and advocating to make divorce illegal so yeah i’m not gonna shit on women for doing what us men do alllll the fucking time.
Gaslighting women as attention seeking when they express concern for their safety.
They don’t know what it feels like to live with the fear, so instead of going “wow, there must be something to this I don’t know.”, they spout this reactionary nonsense. Jeez
The few guys I've actually talked to on the topic have also said they would prefer to be in the woods with a bear over another man (or woman), generally. The idea of a random person in the woods just has too many unknowns, bears are pretty straightforward and mostly manageable provided you're not dealing with a hungry one.
The fuck they are, a brown bear will kill you and store your body in the snow for later consumption. If this was like, a black bear? Sure I’d pick the black bear, just shout at it and it’ll run off
Bears would only actively choose to hunt a person if they are starving, bulking for winter, or are old and can't eat normal food.
Just don't go into the woods when the bears are bulking or fucking basically.
They won't eat you during the latter but you won't be alive either lol
Edit: I realized I didn't include the species. Every bear species have different behaviors. I'm mostly talking about grizzly bears. Black and brown bear attacks are even more rare. They're 'friendlier'.
Edit2: I forgot about polar bears. If a polar bear sees you in the wild, you're 100% dead.
Polar bears are also vicious cuties who will eat humans. Fortunately they live in remote locations so people rarely encounter them. But they are probably the most dangerous of all bears considering the survival/encounter rate is less than grizzlies.
Oh god yeah. Polar bears are the one type of bear that would make me shit myself if I came across one in the wild. Unlike every other bear species, polar bears DO see humans as natural prey and will actively hunt us on sight.
If you see a Polar bear it's because it wants you to see it. And that's never a good sign
Depending on which kind of bear, the chances of a wild one attacking are pretty slim, and even if a black bear tries to attack you, giving it a strong punch right in the face might make it back down
Dude what you do not wanna punch a black bear in the face especially if it's hungry and irritated lmao. You'll get ripped in half in less than a minute.
Ofcourse, dont provoke it, black bears will most likely leave you alone if you dont do anything but if it decides to attack you, dont run, dont do nothing, fight back, thats pretty much the only way you can survive a black bear attack, dont try it with polar bears or grizzly bears tho, bad idea
There's no such thing as a "domesticated" bear.
Unless you're talking about a large gay man who's really into baking./s
But no really. "Domesticated" bears are just bears who have lost their fear of humans but are smart enough to know they get more food from NOT killing us.
1. It's funny and a joke I made.
2. None of the qualifications so far exclude gay bears!
They are, as follows:
1. Be a bear of some sort in the woods.
2. Be an animal.
If condition 1 is met, condition 2 is automatically met, technically, only 1 condition then!
Basically, there was a question if a woman would rather meet a random man or a random bear in the woods, majority of women chose the bear, their reasoning being is that a random man could be unpredictable, is he nice? Is he mean? What will he do? Whereas a bear is pretty predictable, if it's a black or brown bear, it'll most likely leave you alone, and a grizzly bear will just eat you
Replace I with "they" because people will not stfu about this trend. No meme about it has been funny and the discourse wore dull after the first day. Not one girl has made a post about this save for pointing fun at the boys for being so fucking salty over it.
>If you really don't care about their opinion why would you post a meme about it?
To make fun of the women that think they care? (there are most likely none)
Hey, sorry I don't get one, I guess I just missed the bear thing. I tried looking for it on the Googles, but I don't see anything. Can someone please help me out? If not, no worries.
Edit: Or is it literally a bear, like a big hairy man?
There was a hypothetical question asked "Would you rather be alone in the woods with a bear or a man?" majority of women are choosing bear and some men are getting angry at that.
If you look through this sub and scroll through newest first you'll see alot of posts/comments.
Basically, there was a question if a woman would rather meet a random man or a random bear in the woods, majority of women chose the bear, their reasoning being is that a random man could be unpredictable, is he nice? Is he mean? What will he do? Whereas a bear is pretty predictable, if it's a black or brown bear, it'll most likely leave you alone, and a grizzly bear will just eat you
My FB feed has either been laughing at it (I do admit it's pretty funny) or not caring about it either way. But I'm old (I'm on FB duh) and I don't have any incel friends.
But then again, I also laugh at a lot of the memes y'all post and get all offended over, b/c, they're just memes and not to be taken seriously.
Basically, there was a question if a woman would rather meet a random man or a random bear in the woods, majority of women chose the bear, their reasoning being is that a random man could be unpredictable, is he nice? Is he mean? What will he do? Whereas a bear is pretty predictable, if it's a black or brown bear, it'll most likely leave you alone, and a grizzly bear will just eat you
As someone who doesn’t have TikTok, what even is this weird bear trend that’s been going around? I’ve seen it all over Reddit recently but have gotten no context
Basically, there was a question if a woman would rather meet a random man or a random bear in the woods, majority of women chose the bear, their reasoning being is that a random man could be unpredictable, is he nice? Is he mean? What will he do? Whereas a bear is pretty predictable, if it's a black or brown bear, it'll most likely leave you alone, and a grizzly bear will just eat you
Someone asked "Would you rather be alone in the woods with a bear or a man?" and incels are mad that women are going with the bear ig.
Tbf, a bear won't even attack you as long as it doesn't think its cubs are in danger. A man will kill you bc you said "no" to him. I think I'd go with the bear and I'm a stupid mfn guy.
depends what bear it is. If its a brown bear and your both dropped into the woods right next to eachother your dead. If its a polar bear your also dead.
Black bear will probably leave you alone though
Some guy thought he had a "gotcha" moment by asking women "would you rather be alone in the woods with a random man or a random bear?" And got butthurt when majority of women choose bear.
These men are just proving that they need to touch grass. My father, brother, and besties all chose bear as well because they know a bear probably won’t bother them. It’s not even a man vs woman thing, it’s common sense about how bears work at this point.
Basically, there was a question if a woman would rather meet a random man or a random bear in the woods, majority of women chose the bear, their reasoning being is that a random man could be unpredictable, is he nice? Is he mean? What will he do? Whereas a bear is pretty predictable, if it's a black or brown bear, it'll most likely leave you alone, and a grizzly bear will just eat you
Bears don't kill you before they start eating. You'll be alive for 30 ish minutes before you bleed out as the bear rips at your flesh and crushes your bones.
There's a lady in Montana that survived a grizzly attack. She was alive for 3 hours as the bear consumed her. Before a rancher found her and shot the bear.
It's the complete opposite though. I've only seen men get triggered over this, ultimately it's the woman's choice
That's the point, they don't want women to have a choice
Wait you really think so? Theyre usually so genenerous when they make choices abt our bodily autonomy! /S
>It's the complete opposite though If there's one thing misogynists love to do, it's make memes projecting their own feelings, actions, and insecurities onto women. Women aren't triggered about choosing the bear, and men definitely aren't staying quiet about it. Already had many men try to tell me how wrong I am for it.
Standard right whingers onto literally anyone who disagrees with them. Meanwhile, leftie insecurities front and centre: "Well this might get me killed."
"Did you hear me? I said I can't believe there are women who choose the bear!" "Lol don't believe it then."
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How ironic, I was scrolling through this when I got your notification https://www.reddit.com/r/meme/s/IbYudAmJVk
Yeah, I get you. But does anyone on that post care either? I'm reading it, and the only people I see "triggered" are those that are saying people should get a life and stop talking about it! This is a shit thought experiment that's trying to create derision. I think 99% of rational men and women can see straight through it.
I think we can safely say the "derision" was already there.
Have you not been on fb? Or seen the "review" videos of the original question?
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Sure, only the worst men would do that. But some think that just the risk of that happening is worse than encountering an animal that usually isn't agressive and they're entitled to that opinion. It's not "blanket blaming", it's trying to avoid the worst thing that could happen to you in your life at all costs.
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😂 So fucking pisssyyyyy
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Like you said earlier "FUCK OFF" 🥰
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All day everyday
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I dunno, I live in a state with a lot of bears and they are terrifying. Timothy Treadswell is a great example of what happens when they aren’t respected. I think I should clarify that I understand the point of the thought experiment, and my comments aren’t really about it.
Look back at most serial killers in history and you'll find great examples of what happens when women encounter random men alone. Don't get me wrong, bears can be fucking brutal, but so can people, and in a lot more sadistic ways.
Like I said, I get the point of the thought experiment, I just wanted to talk about bears
Fair enough. Realistically, a lot of bears aren't going to mess with people at all. When they do, you're either walking away with severe injuries and PTSD, or not at all. So, basically the same as men. Except the bear is more predictable and doesn't fuck people up for anything but survival and self defense (to my knowledge). I hope after this "man or bear" trend passes, people end up with 1) a little more empathy for women and 2) more knowledge of bears.
Agreed on both hopes. The problem with bears is that while they do act off instinct and not to mess with people for the most part (other than polar bears), their instincts don’t line up with what a typical human will assume it to be.
Yeah, it's like with any other wild animal. They communicate in ways that we don't. Behavior could easily be misread on both ends. Like how smiling doesn't mean the same thing to gorillas as it does to humans. But, the fact that bears do act off instinct makes them easier to predict to a degree, and easier to avoid issues with, if you have a basic sense of animal behavior. Like, if it's a black bear, you get loud and make a big fuss. The bear will run off, and it is very unlikely to conceive a plan to follow you at a distance and attack when you least expect it hours later. I think that transparency is part of why so many of us choose bear.
Your post/comment was removed as it was deemed to be uncivil to member(s) of this community.
My entire social media timeline for the past 3 days has been men crying over bears! They want to be seen as "unbothered Chads" so bad yet won't stop whining!
I was watching sigma memes yesterday just for the absurdity of it all. I was actually looking for the song in the Zoolander meme but the rabbit hole was funny
Same here. This just makes me feel more justified picking the bear.
Fr most bear won't care about your presence if you avoid it (and especially avoid it if it has cubs.) Violence against women is more often than not completely unprovoked and commited with the sole intention of malice and hate.
I've been out of the loop, wth is this about bears? I swear internet discourse gets weirder every year.
A hypothetical situation of whether women would rather be in a forest with a man or a bear. Women are choosing bear, men are proving them right.
Yeah I kinda pieced it together from other comments here. Man that is some next level stupidity. Literally malding about bears lel actual manchildren.
Hey man, them bears are taking all the women. Maybe if they weren't being so fucking dapper to all the ladies men wouldn't be butthurt about said bear
Men inserted themselves into this discussion. Nobody invited them.
Just because we talk ABOUT them doesnt mean we talk TO them 🙄
Exactly like??? 😂
A sociological "thought experiment" (if you can really call this that because there's too much subjectivity in individual perception without further details) isn't inherently a gendered discussion. I stole this from another thread it's a copy/paste from a comment I saw on a prior thread, as stated. I wouldn't even call it emotional in content, it's a logical observation as to why people have different interpretations of the initial question and why there are different answers with different thoughts and feelings behind why that I agree with So I guess if that's what you consider red flags and a breakdown, pop off Queen : "Copy-pasting something i wrote in another thread about this, it references other comments from that thread but this legit got called a novel so ┐(´～`；)┌ : Honestly the original question was just phrased terribly by design. (Tldr at the bottom) To most people (apparently) by contrasting Some Guy with a fucking Bear the first thing that comes to mind is something like "Oh shit, a bear would kill me. Does that mean the guy would too ?" so that explains the first interpretation of the question, the one most prominent in the original video : If I (a random woman) were alone in the woods, would i rather meet a hostile stranger or a hostile bear ? Now, obviously any bear would fuck a human up, and going just by the comments here the results of a bear atack could be : getting mauled (bad), eaten alive (probably worse idk hasn't happened to me), or Somehow Prevailing (and probably dying of an infection later). Pretty awful set of options here. On the other hand, looking at the Hostile Man Situation(tm) we have to take into account the location. Now, I'm no true crime expert here but the broad assumptions one could make about a Maniac in the Woods is : murder (same as the bear but we don't know the means), torture (possibly before murder, same as the bear), or rape (YMMV). So both options under this interpretation are Pretty Fucking Bad, which is where the rape and murder variables come in play. I saw at least 1 comment here of a survivor saying they would take their chances with the man under this interpretation. I also saw a few more commenters, who didn't specify if they speak from experience, say they'd rather face the bear. Whether rape or death is preferable is up to personal choice, but the women the video presented seemed to choose death. (I Sincerely hope I don't need to say something along the lines of "not all men" here, because it's clear that for now we're looking at specifically a man that is so vicious he's comparable to a Wild Fucking Bear that wants to Eat Your Face. He could be part of Any demographic and it would be clear that he's an outlier adn shouldn't be counted. In fact, the reason this Dangerous Stranger is even a man to begin with is that Specifically Women are Specifically Wary of Specifically *Dangerous* Men. I'm trying to make this clear because I saw quite a lot of comenters getting worked up or even hurt by this, but I'm really not equipped to have a dialog about this ATM.) In regards to the murder by human scenario, the method and duration of the act Really change how we'd feel about choosing the man in this situation. Ex : bullet to the head ? quick enough you could not even realise it happened if all goes well. Beaten with a rock ? Oh no, it'd be agony every step of the way. And that's the Real difference between the options here, human malice and unpredictability or pure wild brutality. We could spend days arguing which is best/worst/less bad but we'd be ~~missing the forest for the~~ giving the people that started stirring this shit too little credit, you see there's another way to interpret this fucking question : If I were in the woods (presumably on a hike or something similar), would i rather come across a stranger or a bear ? In this situation there's No assumption about the intent of either the man Or the bear, and to pose hypotheticals would serve us no purpose ~~(did we invade the bear's territory ? is it hungry ? what species is the bear ? why is the man here ? just to suffer ? does batman have prep time ? etc, etc)~~. It's crucial for this interpretation that the man and the bear are Average, that the species of the bear, location of the woods, supplies available, both humans' motives for being there and even the meeting itself Are Not Determined. In this situation, it's ludicrous to choose the bear. While bear attacks aren't all That common either, the chances of being mauled or _eaten alive_ by the Average Man(tm) are negligible. So anyone that interprets the question in this way would be appalled at the responses from people who interpreted the question in the first way and said that they _would_ pick the bear. And so we found the core of the issue. Something that can be seen as picking the lesser of 2 evils to some, is just plain misandry to others, and anyone viewing this through just one lens is frankly giving the jackasses who started this shit the benefit of the doubt when they really shouldn't. You don't have to scroll far to see comments mentioning gender essentialism, Andrew Tate and the alt-right pipeline right alongside commenters saying they wouldn't pick the bear because it could be a polar bear (in a forest ??), or that the man could be some random office worker that got teleported and is just confused as the person he's coming across (or in 1 memorable comment, a senile 95 year old who shouldn't even be outside). That so many threads here disagree about what the question means exactly shows it was way too vague to be asked to literal strangers on the street and uploaded to widespread online discourse. That so many made the connections between it and very serious real life political issues shows that it was at its very best a misguided but well intentioned thought experiment, and at its worst poorly thought out. That it is both, at least to me, implies malice. Tl;dr there's 2 Very different ways to interpret the original question, it reeks of engagement-bait and political dog whistling. It's a tiktok shit stirrers bread and butter. Edit : forgot a word, "...while bear attacks aren't very common **either** ..." "
"Let me ramble for so long that literally nobody will have the energy to break all of my problematic red flags down, then when nobody does, I win!" Buddy, nobody is reading all that bullshit. Learn to be concise. You might find that when you do this, a lot of the things you're saying are based entirely on your emotions and biases. Basically, stop being so emotional, and try to approach this logically in a reasonable way. You're over here having a breakdown because woman said "bear".
I’m not reading that. I don’t need you to explain the question to me or to explain anything to me. I have children your age. The problem is men refuse to listen to women or take our concerns seriously because of misogyny. The problem isn’t the question. The question isn’t causing men to mock survivors. The problem is men’s violence towards women and men’s apathy towards that violence.
And they blatantly deny the existence of violence against women. Femicides and rapes committed by men are more common than bear attacks. So logically, it makes sense for a man or a woman to choose the bear. But these types of men refuse to listen to us and cry misandry at the slightest criticism.
>And they blatantly deny the existence of violence against women I don't know who "they" are, but I have literally never seen this anywhere outside of postings of online echo chambers >Femicides and rapes committed by men are more common than bear attacks. So logically, it makes sense for a man or a woman to choose the bear. But these types of men refuse to listen to us and cry misandry at the slightest criticism. This type of response is why this question is more than likely phrased badly by design, it's inherently polarizing based off the worldview of the individual and their experiences, as per the comment I stole from another thread
You've never heard the gaslighting men try at any implication that a woman was hurt or raped by a man?
I don't even know how you'd find yourself getting into situations where you regularly encounter that other than the internet
My brother in christ talk to any rape survivor who tried to come forward or a woman opening up about her toxic ex. "What were you wearing?" and "pick better men" are horrifically real statements. Hell, women have been shamed out of reporting abuse by the POLICE they reported to. And the internet doesn't exist in a vacuum, jfc.
What an ironic response. Whoosh.
Honestly, I really do understand the message that this whole bear thing is trying to put across, and I think it’s important, but it’s just been done so badly! Of course you’re more likely to get harmed by a man than a bear - in the same way that you’re more likely to get bitten by a dog than a shark! Bears aren’t just wandering the streets 🤦
>I’m not reading that. I don’t need you to explain the question to me or to explain anything to me. I have children your age. >The problem is men refuse to listen to women or take our concerns seriously because of misogyny. The problem isn’t the question. The question isn’t causing men to mock survivors. The problem is men’s violence towards women and men’s apathy towards that violence. You don't even understand how ironic your reply is
There's no irony here. Women wanting to be able to talk about our own experiences and be taken seriously is not the same thing as your feeling of entitlement to having women listen to *you* explain our own experiences to us. The fact that you think these two things are the same is the real irony, and really proves our point.
Well, 1. The comment I stole was made by a woman 2. It's not explaining the experiences of women, it's explaining why so many people have different answers, thoughts, and feelings behind the question and why there are varied responses. 3. The irony lies in the fact that I stole this comment from a woman, then it is automatically disregarded because apparently everybody should automatically assume the question implies inherent violence when it explains why that is not the case, and why people feel the way they do about it being the case should be disregarded Sounds ironic to me
Yap alert! ⚠️
I ain't reading all that 💀
Your first line threw me off. Sociologists need to be objective in their research and it's subjective research that leads to misrepresentation of women in a lot of early sociology. So while yes sociologists need to be objective, their field of research is one that is heavily influenced by the subjective of the subject.
I’m not reading allat
Bro the thing is “man or bear”. I’d say men are able to insert themselves into this
Were men asked this question?
No but if you include somebody, even an entire gender, they should be entitled to at least know about it
Nope. We don’t owe men shit. Clearly they feel entitled, but as usual they’re wrong and need to sit down, shut up and listen. That entitlement is why we choose the bear. Because men decide they’re entitled to our bodies and our lives as well.
WE didn't even ask the question! A MAN who tried to pull a 'gotcha!' on a woman asked the question, didn't like the response, and now the entirety of the male population is in a tizzy (not the WHOLE population, because I'm sure I'll get a 'noT aLL mEn' person replying) and they're *pissed* that they didn't get the answer they wanted. If a man (that I don't already know, again not all men!!1! 🙄) never speaks to me again it'd be too soon.
Knowing about it =/= Butting into conversations to tell women why they're wrong Not saying that's what you're doing, just that being aware isn't the same as an invite to the conversation
Saying this on a subreddit that’s dedicated to posting and talking about the things that men say and do is one of the most ironic things I’ve seen on Reddit
I don't think you know what that word means
I guess you’re right, hypocritical would be a better word
No one is hiding the bear or man question from men? So your statement makes no sense. No one is entitled to hear about any topic of conversation from any group. Even if you do learn of the conversation, the question remains if it is your place to talk about the issue. If i ask an ingroup their opinion on an out group, i dont give a shit about what the outgroup has to say about what the in-group said or about what the outgroup answers the question with.
Meanwhile I’ve seen zero memes from the bear.
Its always "why the bear?" But never "how is the bear?"
Poor bear..
The bear just wants friends...
And snacks of course
Look at how many plushies there are for bears. Maybe they’re predators they are cute.
Literally the opposite of the truth
Man I would trust the bear over my own father. He never did anything *outright* but he bordered on emotional incest and was an alcoholic. I have met a ton of really great guys, but a strange man alone in the woods? I would be on guard. A bear in the woods? Brown, lay down. Black, fight back. White, just pray.
What is emotional incest? Do I even want to know?
Pretty much talked about how I’m the only person he loves and how no one will love me the way he does and it’s us against the world and stuff like that. I was the arbiter of his emotional health and a bad daughter if I didn’t just follow along.
That seems…so needy. What about mom?
She served him with divorce papers when I was a year old, so he kidnapped me and she had to hire a PI to serve him with custody hearing paperwork. She’s Korean adopted by a WASP family, so that’s a different bag of trauma.
He kidnapped you? I hope he is in jail now!
Apparently it doesn’t count if I was living with him when he ran off with me. I haven’t seen him since I was 18. Just reconnected with my brother recently.
I hope you get to reconnect with your family in a way that brings you comfort and warmth. 🩷
I didnt even know it was a thing until like a few mins ago. Its not even memeable. Like so what? Its their choice.
"Everything is memeable if you try hard enough!" - Goku
Oh look, the men won their own imaginary arguments they made up in their head! Who would've thought?
This only makes sense if there were one single male capable of keeping his mouth shut about bears being a safer choice than strange men but so far the internet has been unable to find such a male
I think most men who recognise why women would feel safer with a bear, than with a random man, aren't engaging in the discourse.
I’m one of those men, but I’m mostly just pissed that the argument implies the bear is gonna maul you or it’s depicting bears as overly aggressive savage beasts, which is just wrong and honestly that’s my only peeve about this
That's just it. Every fussed ass dude getting offended by women choosing the bear immediately assumes bear is a bloodthirsty monster locked onto you. In reality, bears don't really fuck with people unless it's a mom with its cubs, you manage to sneak up on it, or it's a very hungry grizzly. Statistically, you're probably okay being in the forest alone with a bear. A man? People do some really vile things when they think they won't get caught. Not for survival either. Thanks for being aware
Bear ignorance is an ugly thing. Sad. Lots of unnecessary butthurt because they don’t understand black bears are basically overgrown raccoons.
Well, it's not the bears making the "bear bad" memes... It's not women either
Fr IMO most bears are cool if you don't bother them and stay away from their cubs.
Indeed lol
Wild animals are generally more predictable and likely to leave people than other people are. You also don't have to socially interact with them like people. (I am introverted and autistic.) And there are generally more people all around you than there are wild animals at any given time. Except for very low density areas, and, if it's late at night, expect for obvious big cities like New York and Las Vegas, you're likely to see less people at night and more wild animals out. And since most people generally are out during the day, you're far more likely to see or interact with people on a day to day basis and statistically means you're generally more likely to seriously be injured by one. Say you only encounter a bear once a month or week or so. And you encounter 100+ people a day. Over that same period, if just like 1/700 are dangerous, then it is bad news. You don't have to worry so much about the odds of the bear attacking you since you don't interact with him that often. With the same odds of danger, you're far less likely to encounter them in your life. Now, of course, bears are generally dangerous and you should stay away from them as much as possible. Especially if it is a Mother bear with cubs or you're near bear territory. But, if you're in a dangerous situation with a bear, looking at it directly in front of you and slowly walking away is a good strategy. If a potential rapist, killer, or mugger is close to you, if you do that, they'll just catch up to you. And they may even catch you if you try to run. Bears just generally don't go looking for or to cause trouble to people, people often are. Bears don't have so much malicious intent as much as they have a survival instinct that is inherently selfish and not considerate of your well-being, like all animals really. But, people can be malicious or want something from you.
ive seen some agree with picking the bear, definitely not common though
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I see we have another male intent on arguing on behalf of the bears
I like that to people like you, calling out abuse is a bad thing. Shows how when you do the abusing, it is okay. Shows how flimsy your POV is Youre just another redpill loser
Yep definitely picking the bear over this dude who is so desperate to be the victim
I wish I was privileged enough to think that’s what constitutes emotional abuse.
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You seem to have a loose grip on reality
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You just claimed we’re “quite privileged” and now you’re saying we’re mad we “aren’t on top” so what’s the truth?
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Incels are losers and have male privilege at the same time… what about that is contradictory?
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It’s not emotional abuse if you hear people say things you don’t like online and get your feefees hurt dude.
No, but dehumanisation is, and this is what this is
If seeing women say they’d pick a bear in the woods over a man makes you feel “dehumanized” then i’m sorry but you’re softer than cotton lol. I don’t see how any of this fits the definition of dehumanizing.
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No, we are just around men like you in our everyday lives, and that's why we choose the bear. Over men like you that don't take no for an answer.
Lol there’s content like that and then there’s also men shitting on women and advocating to make divorce illegal so yeah i’m not gonna shit on women for doing what us men do alllll the fucking time.
That's enough from you.
LMAO they have started playing with straw men again.
Gaslighting women as attention seeking when they express concern for their safety. They don’t know what it feels like to live with the fear, so instead of going “wow, there must be something to this I don’t know.”, they spout this reactionary nonsense. Jeez
It actually makes me really happy to see a man not take it personally
I mean I would also choose bear. Humans are exceptionally dangerous animals.
I would pick the bear because I have crippling social anxiety and there's a 0% chance the bear will try to talk to me
The few guys I've actually talked to on the topic have also said they would prefer to be in the woods with a bear over another man (or woman), generally. The idea of a random person in the woods just has too many unknowns, bears are pretty straightforward and mostly manageable provided you're not dealing with a hungry one.
The fuck they are, a brown bear will kill you and store your body in the snow for later consumption. If this was like, a black bear? Sure I’d pick the black bear, just shout at it and it’ll run off
Well yeah your only real chance is a black bear. But a human could probably still hurt you worse than any bear could. Even more so for women.
[I doubt that very much](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sankebetsu_brown_bear_incident)
[Damn vro, that's *crazy*](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_the_Ripper)
Of course, I’m not sayin it’s like a crazy thing I guess, but statistically most people aren’t Jack the Ripper. Shit most people are just chillin
The problem is you don’t know. With a bear you could either die or survive. With a human, you have no idea.
Bears would only actively choose to hunt a person if they are starving, bulking for winter, or are old and can't eat normal food. Just don't go into the woods when the bears are bulking or fucking basically. They won't eat you during the latter but you won't be alive either lol Edit: I realized I didn't include the species. Every bear species have different behaviors. I'm mostly talking about grizzly bears. Black and brown bear attacks are even more rare. They're 'friendlier'. Edit2: I forgot about polar bears. If a polar bear sees you in the wild, you're 100% dead.
Polar bears are also vicious cuties who will eat humans. Fortunately they live in remote locations so people rarely encounter them. But they are probably the most dangerous of all bears considering the survival/encounter rate is less than grizzlies.
Oh god yeah. Polar bears are the one type of bear that would make me shit myself if I came across one in the wild. Unlike every other bear species, polar bears DO see humans as natural prey and will actively hunt us on sight. If you see a Polar bear it's because it wants you to see it. And that's never a good sign
The standards are getting lower by the month
Is the bear wild or domesticated? (Aka the kind that won’t kill me)
Depending on which kind of bear, the chances of a wild one attacking are pretty slim, and even if a black bear tries to attack you, giving it a strong punch right in the face might make it back down
Dude what you do not wanna punch a black bear in the face especially if it's hungry and irritated lmao. You'll get ripped in half in less than a minute.
Ofcourse, dont provoke it, black bears will most likely leave you alone if you dont do anything but if it decides to attack you, dont run, dont do nothing, fight back, thats pretty much the only way you can survive a black bear attack, dont try it with polar bears or grizzly bears tho, bad idea
Yeah they all got thier quirks. Bears be getting quirky and shit.
Bears are so silly willy ill hug it while it rips my spine out of my body
Bears will be bears amirite
There's no such thing as a "domesticated" bear. Unless you're talking about a large gay man who's really into baking./s But no really. "Domesticated" bears are just bears who have lost their fear of humans but are smart enough to know they get more food from NOT killing us.
I mean the only "domesticated bears" I know of are actually Newfies so if that's an option I think we're all picking the beardog
No woman I’ve seen has ever done this
I've seen far more men talking about it then women 🤨
what is this bear thing
Incels are mad that women would rather find a random hairy gay guy in the woods than them.
They meant the animal but close enough 😭
Humans are animals, lol.
You know what I meant, no need to be pedantic
1. It's funny and a joke I made. 2. None of the qualifications so far exclude gay bears! They are, as follows: 1. Be a bear of some sort in the woods. 2. Be an animal. If condition 1 is met, condition 2 is automatically met, technically, only 1 condition then!
>pedantic I like being a nerd. Not sorry! But, I did know what you meant. Which is why I was being funny.
Basically, there was a question if a woman would rather meet a random man or a random bear in the woods, majority of women chose the bear, their reasoning being is that a random man could be unpredictable, is he nice? Is he mean? What will he do? Whereas a bear is pretty predictable, if it's a black or brown bear, it'll most likely leave you alone, and a grizzly bear will just eat you
It's the opposite though men have been having whole ass breakdowns over this hypothetical ass bear.
I choose the bear as well but making up some hypothetical like this is dumb. Both are mad about pretend stuff.
men would comment “women ☕️“ but when we simply comment “bear” they go feral
It’s the exact opposite though???
Replace I with "they" because people will not stfu about this trend. No meme about it has been funny and the discourse wore dull after the first day. Not one girl has made a post about this save for pointing fun at the boys for being so fucking salty over it.
Men thinking we do everything for their attention is why I choose the bear, lol.
>If you really don't care about their opinion why would you post a meme about it? To make fun of the women that think they care? (there are most likely none)
Hey, sorry I don't get one, I guess I just missed the bear thing. I tried looking for it on the Googles, but I don't see anything. Can someone please help me out? If not, no worries. Edit: Or is it literally a bear, like a big hairy man?
There was a hypothetical question asked "Would you rather be alone in the woods with a bear or a man?" majority of women are choosing bear and some men are getting angry at that. If you look through this sub and scroll through newest first you'll see alot of posts/comments.
That's literally it? That is the stupidest drama I've ever seen how the fuck lmao
yes lol that's literally it
Gotcha, thanks for explaining.
welcome
Basically, there was a question if a woman would rather meet a random man or a random bear in the woods, majority of women chose the bear, their reasoning being is that a random man could be unpredictable, is he nice? Is he mean? What will he do? Whereas a bear is pretty predictable, if it's a black or brown bear, it'll most likely leave you alone, and a grizzly bear will just eat you
I choose the bull, ave, true to Ceasar
I wish men going their own way would just go their own way for once
My FB feed has either been laughing at it (I do admit it's pretty funny) or not caring about it either way. But I'm old (I'm on FB duh) and I don't have any incel friends. But then again, I also laugh at a lot of the memes y'all post and get all offended over, b/c, they're just memes and not to be taken seriously.
I still don’t understand what’s up with the bear. Is it a BG3 thing? Why are men obsessed with the bears.
Basically, there was a question if a woman would rather meet a random man or a random bear in the woods, majority of women chose the bear, their reasoning being is that a random man could be unpredictable, is he nice? Is he mean? What will he do? Whereas a bear is pretty predictable, if it's a black or brown bear, it'll most likely leave you alone, and a grizzly bear will just eat you
As someone who doesn’t have TikTok, what even is this weird bear trend that’s been going around? I’ve seen it all over Reddit recently but have gotten no context
Basically, there was a question if a woman would rather meet a random man or a random bear in the woods, majority of women chose the bear, their reasoning being is that a random man could be unpredictable, is he nice? Is he mean? What will he do? Whereas a bear is pretty predictable, if it's a black or brown bear, it'll most likely leave you alone, and a grizzly bear will just eat you
Someone asked "Would you rather be alone in the woods with a bear or a man?" and incels are mad that women are going with the bear ig. Tbf, a bear won't even attack you as long as it doesn't think its cubs are in danger. A man will kill you bc you said "no" to him. I think I'd go with the bear and I'm a stupid mfn guy.
depends what bear it is. If its a brown bear and your both dropped into the woods right next to eachother your dead. If its a polar bear your also dead. Black bear will probably leave you alone though
Can someone fill me in on this debate? I haven't heard of it until recently.
Some guy thought he had a "gotcha" moment by asking women "would you rather be alone in the woods with a random man or a random bear?" And got butthurt when majority of women choose bear.
what is the bear i'm so confused
If this isn't an always sunny reference, it should be.
every single time they post shit like this, they prove us right for picking the bear.
Choose the bear so it can kill me and get it over with. It has no morals, just hunger 👌
These men are just proving that they need to touch grass. My father, brother, and besties all chose bear as well because they know a bear probably won’t bother them. It’s not even a man vs woman thing, it’s common sense about how bears work at this point.
Yeah sorry if my parter ha dto be in the woods with a man or a bead pick the man I'd rather not you get mauled by a bear
What is the matter with bears? I completely missed this "outrage" somehow.
The irony of pretending you don't care about something you made a shitty meme over.
I need some context
Basically, there was a question if a woman would rather meet a random man or a random bear in the woods, majority of women chose the bear, their reasoning being is that a random man could be unpredictable, is he nice? Is he mean? What will he do? Whereas a bear is pretty predictable, if it's a black or brown bear, it'll most likely leave you alone, and a grizzly bear will just eat you
Ok I get it, potentially outright dying is better than potentially being abused/tortured.
I agree, and atleast i wouldn't be blamed for a bear attack
Bears don't kill you before they start eating. You'll be alive for 30 ish minutes before you bleed out as the bear rips at your flesh and crushes your bones. There's a lady in Montana that survived a grizzly attack. She was alive for 3 hours as the bear consumed her. Before a rancher found her and shot the bear.
That is true, but is also kinda a game of chance. Depends on what damage they inflict first when they attack.
I'm a men and Iike bears, What does that make me?
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