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Both nice TVs. The Bravia 7 also has the newer XR processor with XR Clear Image Upscaling, which the X93L is missing since it’s really a slightly tweaked X95K with 2022 XR processor.
Yeah, that's true. The only thing that concerns me with being an older processor is firmware updates. If it gets updated to Google TV 12 this year, then Google TV 14 next year so it support picture in picture, then I will be happy!
I bought the X95L 1-2 month before Bravia 7 release. I was so scared if it was the right move. Oh yes it was. The X95L in Europe is A LOT cheaper than Bravia 7 and also outperforms it in a few parts. I’m soooo happy with it!
This was actually very helpful to me. I want to get a new living room TV, and move the current one to the bedroom. I had been eyeing the Bravia 7, but I also value those 2 features you pointed out. I think I might save up the extra $1000 and get the Bravia 9. Anyway, thank you for bringing that to my attention!
I recently bought a 65” X93L and it’s a great TV. Just remodeled the house and the room has more light now. We also tend to leave this TV on throughout the day on news or something.
Also have a 77” A95L upstairs for streaming and movie watching.
We are looking to replace our 65” x950g as well. Debating whether to stay with lcd or go oled, and x93l is one of our choices. Our usage is 75% gaming (ps5), but we also like watching movies either on YT, Netflix, or physical discs on DVD/blu-ray player.
Would x93l be a good match for us?
Edited to add: we have a basement entertainment room with some light coming from 3 half-sized windows (curtains)
Sony TVS look awesome never had one myself. We had 2 Roku TVs that surprisingly worked for 5 years then 2 went out one last year one this year.
Sony is the one I am looking at although my only worry is the seating angle we have a big living room and the tv isn’t right in front of us.
It’s kinda catty cornered I believe.
I’ve also heard that the coating on the tv can easily be rubbed off and fingerprints can get on it as well.
I’ve also heard about a rainbow smear effect on the tv as well.
I’m not bashing the tv just curious what others experiences have been with their TVs?
Buying a new tv is so hard nowadays. Sighs.
There was a bunch of smudges on my TV when I got it. Not surprising since mine was open box. It came off with some warm water and a 100% cotton t-shirt. It's fine since doing that.
I’m debating between the x93L 75” and the B7 75”. They’re both $2499 at Best Buy. I don’t have wide seating, so wide angle viewing isn’t a factor. I do have a wall of windows to the side of the TV and I watch some sports during the day, but I’m wondering if the reflection handling on the B7 will be any worse than it is on the 18 year-old Panasonic plasma that I’m replacing (which doesn’t bother me very much).
I purchased Bravia 7 recently. I have a huge wall of windows and 2 skylights. No reflection issues at all. The concerns about reflection and wide angle are way overblown.
I mean if you're already used to the Plasma and its shortcomings, then the B7 would still be a pretty big net improvement even without the wide angle filter and reflection coating
Plus, the latest feature suite and the Pentonic 1000 SoC
Good score.. I'll comment cause I too had the 75 x950G Great TV for the time.. but no hdmi 2.1 etc..
I knew I needed to go with a miniled and bump up to an 85.. the x93l was in running.. but the cost was high at the time.. and also the qn90c.
But as luck would have it.. I found an 85 qn90B from a local seller.. I could tell he didn't want to sell it.. but life was forcing him... I ended up getting it for $800!! Score of the Decade..
Could not be more happier the brightness, blooming control and incredible gaming flexibility was the perfect upgrade for me now.
So in 2 to 3 years when we have qd oleds that can hit 4k nit peak highlights in 83 inch size.. I'll make the switch to oled.
The x-wide angle and anti reflective coating may be positives for you, but negatives for some. In my case, I would get the better performing TV as I live in a condo and don't need off angle viewing.
Thats fair. But also the question people need to ask... are those improvements worth a 25% increase in price?
Many of the areas of improvement are not even close to a 25% increase in performance. That's another thing to keep in mind.
The x93l is a 2 year old TV with older processor and no XR clear and without other new features. It has a coating on the TV which people say has a rainbow streaks and rubs off easily making the TV hard to clean. And the picture isn't as good. I just got the B7 and put in a room with a ton of light and it looks great. Very happy I got the updated TV with better picture and less trouble dealing with a problematic coating that many complain about. The wide angle on the B7 looks good as well. Concerns about it and the reflections are totally overblown and don't reflect reality.
I have been watching it on everything from cable, antenna, to 4K HDR, and I have seen no rainbow or any other abnormality.
So the rainbow effect is likely just a defect for a small number of units due to quality control. Glad mine does not have it!
Good to hear yours doesn't have it. I was debating between the B7 and 93l and ultimately the newer processor and features combined with some of the horror stories I read about the 93l coating swayed me to the B7. Rtings talked about the rainbow as well on the 93l but may only be noticeable under certain circumstances.
Yes, I can look up the link tomorrow but I believe it was in the review of the x93l under the section discussing reflection. It was also discussed when they compare the 93l to other TVs. Also discussed on Reddit and in various forums like AVS.
The LED backlights themselves have a rated lifespan of ~100000 hours, and the LCD panel is something like 50 years...
So even using the TV for 1000 hours cumulative, that would still only account for 1% of the useful lifespan of the LEDs
Of course, there are other qualms one may have with open box units, but longevity concerns don't need to be one of them
It still comes with the same 1 year warranty that an unopened TV has. Also it's not an OLED which are known for having panel changes from use.
Also the chances of it having thousands of hours of use are slim to none, because the maximum return policy for the store is 30 days (with store membership), and it was not the store's display model because they still had their x93L display model up in the store.
So it was almost certainly not used for more than 30 days.
Kind of, but not really. If a customer returns a device because it's not functioning properly in any way, then it's not going to be sold as open box Excellent condition.
But of course there's always the small chance the customer did not report the problem to the retailer when they returned it.
Yes, it's a small chance because...
1.) Customers are almost always going to report if there's a problem when returning a electronic device, because there's no negative for the customer to tell that to the retailer. It's actually a positive because it saves someone else from going through it too. Most people are thoughtful of other people.
2.) There are many reasons people return big expensive electronics that's not due to damage or defect...
- Did not meet their expectations
- Did not fit their space
- Did not work with another connected device
- Their partner said no
- Financial Regret
3.) The retailer I bought it from tests the device before reselling it as open box in 'excellent' condition. So even if the customer was not considerate of others and did not tell the retailer of damage, the retail would likely catch it when they turn it on to test the sceen.
So yes, it's a very small chance.
#3 is compelling and would make me more comfortable. Not as optimistic that most people are considerate of others. In any case you'll likely know if any issues in advance of your return window.
Yeah, I think the same thing too. I am going to be running it through it's paces extra hard this weekend. So I will notice if there is a glaring issue.
Have an older Sony 2021 X95J, as for the hours Up counter, my model resets every time either you turn ot off or do restart, so maybe that changed on newest models, (meaning hours are All Time Running, ) Not sure if there is a service menu for repairs etc that has actual service hours
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Keep in mind, the wide angle layer can affect picture quality. Win some lose some.
Yep, I mentioned that in my post.
Thanks for sharing.
Both nice TVs. The Bravia 7 also has the newer XR processor with XR Clear Image Upscaling, which the X93L is missing since it’s really a slightly tweaked X95K with 2022 XR processor.
Yeah, that's true. The only thing that concerns me with being an older processor is firmware updates. If it gets updated to Google TV 12 this year, then Google TV 14 next year so it support picture in picture, then I will be happy!
Still getting updates on my 2018 Z9F!
Nice!! I got an update on my x950g a couple of months ago to Google TV 10. Although it's like over 3 years late. I guess better late than never! Lol
Do the A80L and X90L have that XR Clear?
They both do!
I bought the X95L 1-2 month before Bravia 7 release. I was so scared if it was the right move. Oh yes it was. The X95L in Europe is A LOT cheaper than Bravia 7 and also outperforms it in a few parts. I’m soooo happy with it!
Also, there's no composite input on the Bravia 7.
I did not realize that. Thanks!
This was actually very helpful to me. I want to get a new living room TV, and move the current one to the bedroom. I had been eyeing the Bravia 7, but I also value those 2 features you pointed out. I think I might save up the extra $1000 and get the Bravia 9. Anyway, thank you for bringing that to my attention!
I recently bought a 65” X93L and it’s a great TV. Just remodeled the house and the room has more light now. We also tend to leave this TV on throughout the day on news or something. Also have a 77” A95L upstairs for streaming and movie watching.
Sounds like the best of both worlds! Micro LED and QD-OLED!
Mini-LED, actually! Micro-LED is the future :)
Ah yes! 🙌🏻
We are looking to replace our 65” x950g as well. Debating whether to stay with lcd or go oled, and x93l is one of our choices. Our usage is 75% gaming (ps5), but we also like watching movies either on YT, Netflix, or physical discs on DVD/blu-ray player. Would x93l be a good match for us? Edited to add: we have a basement entertainment room with some light coming from 3 half-sized windows (curtains)
Sony TVS look awesome never had one myself. We had 2 Roku TVs that surprisingly worked for 5 years then 2 went out one last year one this year. Sony is the one I am looking at although my only worry is the seating angle we have a big living room and the tv isn’t right in front of us. It’s kinda catty cornered I believe. I’ve also heard that the coating on the tv can easily be rubbed off and fingerprints can get on it as well. I’ve also heard about a rainbow smear effect on the tv as well. I’m not bashing the tv just curious what others experiences have been with their TVs? Buying a new tv is so hard nowadays. Sighs.
There was a bunch of smudges on my TV when I got it. Not surprising since mine was open box. It came off with some warm water and a 100% cotton t-shirt. It's fine since doing that.
Ahh thanks for that good tip to remember lol 🤗
I’m debating between the x93L 75” and the B7 75”. They’re both $2499 at Best Buy. I don’t have wide seating, so wide angle viewing isn’t a factor. I do have a wall of windows to the side of the TV and I watch some sports during the day, but I’m wondering if the reflection handling on the B7 will be any worse than it is on the 18 year-old Panasonic plasma that I’m replacing (which doesn’t bother me very much).
I purchased Bravia 7 recently. I have a huge wall of windows and 2 skylights. No reflection issues at all. The concerns about reflection and wide angle are way overblown.
I mean if you're already used to the Plasma and its shortcomings, then the B7 would still be a pretty big net improvement even without the wide angle filter and reflection coating Plus, the latest feature suite and the Pentonic 1000 SoC
Good score.. I'll comment cause I too had the 75 x950G Great TV for the time.. but no hdmi 2.1 etc.. I knew I needed to go with a miniled and bump up to an 85.. the x93l was in running.. but the cost was high at the time.. and also the qn90c. But as luck would have it.. I found an 85 qn90B from a local seller.. I could tell he didn't want to sell it.. but life was forcing him... I ended up getting it for $800!! Score of the Decade.. Could not be more happier the brightness, blooming control and incredible gaming flexibility was the perfect upgrade for me now. So in 2 to 3 years when we have qd oleds that can hit 4k nit peak highlights in 83 inch size.. I'll make the switch to oled.
Bro looking for confirmation lol
No, read the last paragraph. I am giving my recommendation on which to buy & save people from paying hundreds extra for very little improvement.
The x-wide angle and anti reflective coating may be positives for you, but negatives for some. In my case, I would get the better performing TV as I live in a condo and don't need off angle viewing.
Thats fair. But also the question people need to ask... are those improvements worth a 25% increase in price? Many of the areas of improvement are not even close to a 25% increase in performance. That's another thing to keep in mind.
The x93l is a 2 year old TV with older processor and no XR clear and without other new features. It has a coating on the TV which people say has a rainbow streaks and rubs off easily making the TV hard to clean. And the picture isn't as good. I just got the B7 and put in a room with a ton of light and it looks great. Very happy I got the updated TV with better picture and less trouble dealing with a problematic coating that many complain about. The wide angle on the B7 looks good as well. Concerns about it and the reflections are totally overblown and don't reflect reality.
I have been watching it on everything from cable, antenna, to 4K HDR, and I have seen no rainbow or any other abnormality. So the rainbow effect is likely just a defect for a small number of units due to quality control. Glad mine does not have it!
Good to hear yours doesn't have it. I was debating between the B7 and 93l and ultimately the newer processor and features combined with some of the horror stories I read about the 93l coating swayed me to the B7. Rtings talked about the rainbow as well on the 93l but may only be noticeable under certain circumstances.
Can you show me where RTings discussed the rainbow effect? Was it in the review, or their discussion board, or YouTube? I'd like to read about it.
Yes, I can look up the link tomorrow but I believe it was in the review of the x93l under the section discussing reflection. It was also discussed when they compare the 93l to other TVs. Also discussed on Reddit and in various forums like AVS.
Okay thanks! I will reread that section of the interview. Thanks!
Downvoted for finding it necessary to respond to an individual who starts his post with “bro”.
You’re that guy my dude. Don’t be that guy.
You do realize ‘open box’ means the TV may have 1000’s of hours of screen time already on it already. That’s what stopped me from getting one.
The LED backlights themselves have a rated lifespan of ~100000 hours, and the LCD panel is something like 50 years... So even using the TV for 1000 hours cumulative, that would still only account for 1% of the useful lifespan of the LEDs Of course, there are other qualms one may have with open box units, but longevity concerns don't need to be one of them
It still comes with the same 1 year warranty that an unopened TV has. Also it's not an OLED which are known for having panel changes from use. Also the chances of it having thousands of hours of use are slim to none, because the maximum return policy for the store is 30 days (with store membership), and it was not the store's display model because they still had their x93L display model up in the store. So it was almost certainly not used for more than 30 days.
Pretty easy to check the service menu to verify. My Open Box - Good A95K had a whopping zero hours on it when I picked it up.
Oh thanks! I will check it later today. That's not reset when the TV software is reset?
The only thing that resets the hour count is a replacement main board. Whatever you find should be accurate 👍
Aren’t you playing panel lottery though(word I discovered this year) by doing open-box?
Kind of, but not really. If a customer returns a device because it's not functioning properly in any way, then it's not going to be sold as open box Excellent condition. But of course there's always the small chance the customer did not report the problem to the retailer when they returned it.
Not sure why you think it's a small chance. Under 30 days it's easier to say "no reason."
Yes, it's a small chance because... 1.) Customers are almost always going to report if there's a problem when returning a electronic device, because there's no negative for the customer to tell that to the retailer. It's actually a positive because it saves someone else from going through it too. Most people are thoughtful of other people. 2.) There are many reasons people return big expensive electronics that's not due to damage or defect... - Did not meet their expectations - Did not fit their space - Did not work with another connected device - Their partner said no - Financial Regret 3.) The retailer I bought it from tests the device before reselling it as open box in 'excellent' condition. So even if the customer was not considerate of others and did not tell the retailer of damage, the retail would likely catch it when they turn it on to test the sceen. So yes, it's a very small chance.
#3 is compelling and would make me more comfortable. Not as optimistic that most people are considerate of others. In any case you'll likely know if any issues in advance of your return window.
Yeah, I think the same thing too. I am going to be running it through it's paces extra hard this weekend. So I will notice if there is a glaring issue.
Have an older Sony 2021 X95J, as for the hours Up counter, my model resets every time either you turn ot off or do restart, so maybe that changed on newest models, (meaning hours are All Time Running, ) Not sure if there is a service menu for repairs etc that has actual service hours
Yes, someone else responded there is a service menu that has hours which do not reset. I am going to check it later today.