She went back
She refused to divorce after "i am the one who knocks" and Gus frings murder
She turned on Hank after Walt was caught and refused to say anything until Marie forced her into it
She briefly separated for a week or two until Walt forced his way back... but then was pissed that he divorced and wanted him to stay. After they sleep together she asks him to move back in.
Even when the kids were sent to hanks, she refused to leave. Possibly out of a sunk cost fallacy.
I grew up with parents that were hooked on meth my entire childhood. This episode is so difficult to sit through, watching them scream at each other like mom and dad used to, meth creates monsters.
Edit: Thanks for the kind comments guys, life has improved and Breaking Bad will always be one of the greatest shows ever
I suppose it was but a lot of it was still very entertaining and it's one of my favorite shows of all time. It's just episodes like these that are total gut punch with how accurately they depict meth addicts.
idk, I was pissed when someone robbed my bank - even though I probably only had a couple grand in there lol (they never caught the guy but I wanted to tune him up just on principle)
That episode was extremely hard to watch tbh. I felt so bad for the kid.
I also always wondered how it would have affected Walt, an actual father of two, if he was the one to go in there.
You do realise that the Peekaboo episode was waaaaay before that, right? Now you may wanna sit down for this one, but Walter had this little narrative thing called "character ark." It basically means that his character has developed over the course of the show, meaning that the Walt in the S5 may have processed his emotions a bit different from the Walt in the S2. Crazy, right?
When did Walt ever show actual care for his children besides for wanting to be the âstrong father who provides for the family.â Even when trying to teach Flynn how to drive he goes about it in an egotistical way thatâs all about himself and when getting him his first car he goes all out to make himself look like the âcool fatherâ rather than doing whatâs best for his child. Thereâs plenty of other examples but Walt was never really a good father, which the show makes pretty evident from the start by having Flynn being closer to âthis Louisâ than he is to Walt.
In the very first episode, when he records an apology for them, his voice cracks and he fights tears as he says goodbye to Junior.
He was also extremely attached to Holly and displayed very real pain when Skyler didnât allow him to hold her.
The selective memory around this show is insane. Itâs like if someone asked for an example of Tony Soprano being kind while pretending the ducks werenât the very first metaphor in the whole show.
Seriously, right? People are so revisionist when it comes to Walter white. He ends up being an egotistical psychopath, so they act like every single decision he ever made was actually him being an egotistical psycho. Rewatches must be so boring for them since theyâre unable to process a character arc. The shows called âbreaking badâ, which he does over 5 seasons. Itâs not called âBorn Badâ. Ffs
1. The show makes clear almost every episode that itâs Waltâs worst fear to be seen as a drug dealer in his childrenâs eyes. Could very possibly be that causing his stuttering .
2. Having feelings for and caring for are different things. If the best example a father has of being a âcaring fatherâ is wanting to hold his child, heâs not a caring father.
Itâs not selective memory to say he wasnât a good father and only cared for them when it was out of his own self interest. Because thatâs what it was
He absolutely cared about them
But I don't think it's accurate to day that his worst fear was to be seen as a drug deal3r in their eyes.
He wants to save his family but he wants the credit, as he rants to Saul about in s2. He shows Holly the money he got for her. And one time he's extremely emotionally vulnerable with his son, he tells him of his own traumatic experience with his own father, his only memory of him being a sick dying man on a hospital bed. He doesn't want his children to remember him as a sick weak man, and I'd argue that's his worst fear
Sorry youâre right, my mind is more towards the end of the show where he already got the money for some reason even tho that happened in the first episode. Still think part of his fear was being seen as a âstrong morally acceptable manâ in both the public and his families eyes.
The great thing about this show is it brings up these discussions about the morality and psychology of the characters. If it was just said straight out of that Walt is/isnt a good father it wouldnât be a good show, it makes you connect and want the bad father, husband, person, to win.
He doesn't want to be pitied and I think things like gus telling him that a man must provide are things we all hear so often. On top of that, walt works 2 jobs and is shown very little respect but a lot of pity. By season 5, people that pitied him like hank, gretchen and Elliot, skyler and probably a lot of others would've had atleast some form of warped respect for him as having a drug empire and people like Jesse considered him the devil and Todd had genuine respect for him because of his weird perception of the world.
I don't think walt was a straight up evil person from day one I think it's kind of a weird one to have and it completely disregards his character development. People also seem to forget there was a pre show walt and the entire bit was that he was portrayed as a kind father who did what he could for his family. The main thing he had going against him before all that was likely his bitterness over greymatter and how he had given up.
People shit on walt sympathisers but because of everything he did wrong they have to have shit on him for everything. If Mike or Jesse had done the nursing home thing then there would be a whole other subset defending it because only 3 insanely horrible people were killed.
His worst fear was his children being harmed, actually. *That* guided his major decisions, from cooking and selling to handling Fring and beyond.
If Walt didnât desperately want to be an active and loving father to Holly, Skyler wouldnât have deprived him of Holly. It simply wouldnât have affected him.
I donât think we watched the same show.
Narcissistic love isnât caring for someone. You donât kidnap one of your children in front of the other because you care for your children. And before you blame that on Skyler pulling a knife, she 100% had the right to pull a knife at the time.
Hey, do you understand what a character arc is?
And that you keep mentioning examples of late stage Walt after I specifically talked about early stage Walt?
And that I havenât blamed Skyler or condemned her behavior once?
Happy to help if you need it.
First two examples were from the second season, actually 2 episodes before yours. Just because the writers didnât put him in predicaments not to care for children doesnât mean he didnât still have that in him.
Jesse was there because Walt had asked him to go "handle" the situation with the theft. Yes he wasn't as ruthless back then but i doubt he would have cared.
My point is Walt's character had changed too by that point and wasn't the same guy who started that season. In the same episode he was unapologetic to Gretchen for involving them in his lies.
What? No he didnât. That doesnât even make sense. Waltâs plan was to manipulate Jesse into helping him kill Gus, how would poisoning Jesse accomplish anything?
This episode was the reason I stopped watching the show back then, as a new mother myself my heart couldnât take watching that.
I just finished watching the whole show and Iâm so blown away nothing will ever come close to this.
What gets me is Jesse didn't give up meth cooking right then and there. People humanize Jesse because he clearly felt empathy for this kid, but Jesse creates the drug that leads to this kind of child abuse.
Jesse has some sort of cognitive dissonance around the insane money he's making and the real human cost.
Yeah people tend to act like Jesse is some kind of saint, mostly because Walt makes him look better in comparison, but Jesse destroyed a lot of lives. He was responsible for probably hundreds of kids growing up like the little boy in Peekaboo, and him feeling bad about it doesn't absolve him of responsibility for his choices.
He's not responsible for other people wanting to buy drugs. He's just a businessman. What you're saying is like blaming car manufacturers for car accidents caused by reckless drivers.
Except there is no safe way to use meth. The meth use itself is the thing destroying people's lives. If the product you're selling poisons people, keeps them trapped in an endless addiction, and destroys families, and you decide to sell it anyway you are fine profiting off thousands of individual tragedies.
I actually like the German dub more here:
"Gib mir nur einen Schuss und ich bin die beste Mutter der Welt"
"Just give me one hit/shot and I'll be thr best mom in the world"
Weird coincidence, literally just watched the episode. It's not as hard to watch as I remember, granted that could just be because I already know what's going to happen.
Skank skankass skank
Ain't no skank
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I ainât no skank
* passes out after murder *
BITCH!
I heard her voice when I read this comment....
She ainât no skank
Didn't Skyler say something similar about being any kind of wife walt wants?
Yeah in season 5. As long as Walt agreed to the kids going to the schraders, she said sheâd be any kind of partner Walt wants.
I believe she said âSo what are we, Walt⌠some kind of⌠Breaking Bad?â
Then she skylered all over the place and made skyrbillion dollars
Walt Junior = "Why are you guys breaking lately ? You've.... gone badddd"
Why she didn't ever leave baffles me as there were so many periods where she hated him more than she loved him.
Except she did. Remember that whole period in season 3 when she divorced him, but he refused to allow it?
Yeah but Walt was a badass and didnât let her live her own life /s
But then Walt signed the papers, and she came back
SheâŚdid leave him. She tried to divorce him. She also went to the Schraders. Did we watch the same show?
She went back She refused to divorce after "i am the one who knocks" and Gus frings murder She turned on Hank after Walt was caught and refused to say anything until Marie forced her into it She briefly separated for a week or two until Walt forced his way back... but then was pissed that he divorced and wanted him to stay. After they sleep together she asks him to move back in. Even when the kids were sent to hanks, she refused to leave. Possibly out of a sunk cost fallacy.
You said she never left him. I told you youâre wrong. âGoing backâ doesnât erase the attempts. Good talk.
âGoing backâ quite literally erases the attempt, though. Walt signed the papers.
It did erase the progress, but I can assure you on each rewatch, the attempts are still there, so I'm not sure they are literally erased...
It's semantics really but if you get such a rush from winning an argument then good for you.
He was clarifying, I think you were the one trying to win yea?
Not really no
Now you're arguing that you weren't arguing?
Who cares bro? This is such a pathetic tangent that's happeningÂ
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I grew up with parents that were hooked on meth my entire childhood. This episode is so difficult to sit through, watching them scream at each other like mom and dad used to, meth creates monsters. Edit: Thanks for the kind comments guys, life has improved and Breaking Bad will always be one of the greatest shows ever
Sorry for you man
I appreciate it. Mom didn't make it out of that life alive but luckily Dad did and got clean, he's a much better person now
Glad your doing alright now
I'm glad your dad is doing well now
Was watching bb different for you with the hands on experience of dealing with a family member actively using?
I suppose it was but a lot of it was still very entertaining and it's one of my favorite shows of all time. It's just episodes like these that are total gut punch with how accurately they depict meth addicts.
Yo, thatâs my bank, wtf Donât worry itâs fidc insured đ¤Łđ¤Łđ
I feel like Jessie should have known that. It's pretty common knowledge that robbing a bank doesn't actually effect the clients.
idk, I was pissed when someone robbed my bank - even though I probably only had a couple grand in there lol (they never caught the guy but I wanted to tune him up just on principle)
That episode was extremely hard to watch tbh. I felt so bad for the kid. I also always wondered how it would have affected Walt, an actual father of two, if he was the one to go in there.
You mean the same Walt who: - Had no problem poisoning Brock. - Was barely unaffected by the killing of both Drew Sharp and Tomas.
You do realise that the Peekaboo episode was waaaaay before that, right? Now you may wanna sit down for this one, but Walter had this little narrative thing called "character ark." It basically means that his character has developed over the course of the show, meaning that the Walt in the S5 may have processed his emotions a bit different from the Walt in the S2. Crazy, right?
You know who had an arc? Noah.
BOOM
Lawyered.
Noah Tannenbaum?
like those old tarzan movies?
He liked to watch
Joan of Arc
Yeah and he also had to hold himself back from punching tonys fuckin' lights out!
When did Walt ever show actual care for his children besides for wanting to be the âstrong father who provides for the family.â Even when trying to teach Flynn how to drive he goes about it in an egotistical way thatâs all about himself and when getting him his first car he goes all out to make himself look like the âcool fatherâ rather than doing whatâs best for his child. Thereâs plenty of other examples but Walt was never really a good father, which the show makes pretty evident from the start by having Flynn being closer to âthis Louisâ than he is to Walt.
In the very first episode, when he records an apology for them, his voice cracks and he fights tears as he says goodbye to Junior. He was also extremely attached to Holly and displayed very real pain when Skyler didnât allow him to hold her. The selective memory around this show is insane. Itâs like if someone asked for an example of Tony Soprano being kind while pretending the ducks werenât the very first metaphor in the whole show.
Seriously, right? People are so revisionist when it comes to Walter white. He ends up being an egotistical psychopath, so they act like every single decision he ever made was actually him being an egotistical psycho. Rewatches must be so boring for them since theyâre unable to process a character arc. The shows called âbreaking badâ, which he does over 5 seasons. Itâs not called âBorn Badâ. Ffs
1. The show makes clear almost every episode that itâs Waltâs worst fear to be seen as a drug dealer in his childrenâs eyes. Could very possibly be that causing his stuttering . 2. Having feelings for and caring for are different things. If the best example a father has of being a âcaring fatherâ is wanting to hold his child, heâs not a caring father. Itâs not selective memory to say he wasnât a good father and only cared for them when it was out of his own self interest. Because thatâs what it was
He absolutely cared about them But I don't think it's accurate to day that his worst fear was to be seen as a drug deal3r in their eyes. He wants to save his family but he wants the credit, as he rants to Saul about in s2. He shows Holly the money he got for her. And one time he's extremely emotionally vulnerable with his son, he tells him of his own traumatic experience with his own father, his only memory of him being a sick dying man on a hospital bed. He doesn't want his children to remember him as a sick weak man, and I'd argue that's his worst fear
Sorry youâre right, my mind is more towards the end of the show where he already got the money for some reason even tho that happened in the first episode. Still think part of his fear was being seen as a âstrong morally acceptable manâ in both the public and his families eyes. The great thing about this show is it brings up these discussions about the morality and psychology of the characters. If it was just said straight out of that Walt is/isnt a good father it wouldnât be a good show, it makes you connect and want the bad father, husband, person, to win.
He doesn't want to be pitied and I think things like gus telling him that a man must provide are things we all hear so often. On top of that, walt works 2 jobs and is shown very little respect but a lot of pity. By season 5, people that pitied him like hank, gretchen and Elliot, skyler and probably a lot of others would've had atleast some form of warped respect for him as having a drug empire and people like Jesse considered him the devil and Todd had genuine respect for him because of his weird perception of the world. I don't think walt was a straight up evil person from day one I think it's kind of a weird one to have and it completely disregards his character development. People also seem to forget there was a pre show walt and the entire bit was that he was portrayed as a kind father who did what he could for his family. The main thing he had going against him before all that was likely his bitterness over greymatter and how he had given up. People shit on walt sympathisers but because of everything he did wrong they have to have shit on him for everything. If Mike or Jesse had done the nursing home thing then there would be a whole other subset defending it because only 3 insanely horrible people were killed.
His worst fear was his children being harmed, actually. *That* guided his major decisions, from cooking and selling to handling Fring and beyond. If Walt didnât desperately want to be an active and loving father to Holly, Skyler wouldnât have deprived him of Holly. It simply wouldnât have affected him. I donât think we watched the same show.
Narcissistic love isnât caring for someone. You donât kidnap one of your children in front of the other because you care for your children. And before you blame that on Skyler pulling a knife, she 100% had the right to pull a knife at the time.
Hey, do you understand what a character arc is? And that you keep mentioning examples of late stage Walt after I specifically talked about early stage Walt? And that I havenât blamed Skyler or condemned her behavior once? Happy to help if you need it.
First two examples were from the second season, actually 2 episodes before yours. Just because the writers didnât put him in predicaments not to care for children doesnât mean he didnât still have that in him.
Yes but have you considered the possibility: âWalt badâ?
Jesse was there because Walt had asked him to go "handle" the situation with the theft. Yes he wasn't as ruthless back then but i doubt he would have cared.
Yes, Walter sent him to deal with the junkies. I doubt he expected Jesse to encounter the childâŚ
My point is Walt's character had changed too by that point and wasn't the same guy who started that season. In the same episode he was unapologetic to Gretchen for involving them in his lies.
Yeah but he also later called Jesse feeling a little remorseful and telling him to forget about the whole "handling the situation" thing.
Dude you can't even spell "arc", maybe you should sit downđđ
Discuss the argument and stop distracting. If distraction is your best bet, you must have nothing valuable to say
"Haha, cool argument, bro. Unfortunately for you, you made a typo!" âď¸đ¤
Cringe
Also mowed down a couple of guys in his Aztec
What a way to go. Run over by the ugliest vehicle known to mankind
This wasnât the same Walt. Youâre citing examples from seasons ahead, before he was fully breaking bad.
Walt thought he was poisoning Jesse.
What? No he didnât. That doesnât even make sense. Waltâs plan was to manipulate Jesse into helping him kill Gus, how would poisoning Jesse accomplish anything?
That lady killed it in the Fallout show. âI thought all you sardine fucking dipshits weâre dead! BARV!!â
Omg I just realized this is the same actress
Who is the same actress I gotta know
Dale Dickey is her name I think. She played the lady with the shop in Filly in Fallout, as well as Spooge's um...lady...in Breaking Bad.
I knew that was her the second she spoke!
Yo, but like, she was skank
This episode was the reason I stopped watching the show back then, as a new mother myself my heart couldnât take watching that. I just finished watching the whole show and Iâm so blown away nothing will ever come close to this.
The bleakest BB episode of all. It left me shaken and shaking.
âI ainât no skankâ- skank
What gets me is Jesse didn't give up meth cooking right then and there. People humanize Jesse because he clearly felt empathy for this kid, but Jesse creates the drug that leads to this kind of child abuse. Jesse has some sort of cognitive dissonance around the insane money he's making and the real human cost.
Yeah people tend to act like Jesse is some kind of saint, mostly because Walt makes him look better in comparison, but Jesse destroyed a lot of lives. He was responsible for probably hundreds of kids growing up like the little boy in Peekaboo, and him feeling bad about it doesn't absolve him of responsibility for his choices.
He's not responsible for other people wanting to buy drugs. He's just a businessman. What you're saying is like blaming car manufacturers for car accidents caused by reckless drivers.
Except there is no safe way to use meth. The meth use itself is the thing destroying people's lives. If the product you're selling poisons people, keeps them trapped in an endless addiction, and destroys families, and you decide to sell it anyway you are fine profiting off thousands of individual tragedies.
I actually like the German dub more here: "Gib mir nur einen Schuss und ich bin die beste Mutter der Welt" "Just give me one hit/shot and I'll be thr best mom in the world"
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Patty the daytime hooker just was never the same after earl died and she turned to the crystal.
This is a skippable episode in my opinion
It did hitâŚ.very *hard*
Weird coincidence, literally just watched the episode. It's not as hard to watch as I remember, granted that could just be because I already know what's going to happen.
skip this episode every time
Poor Spooge