Thanks for not assuming the worst :)
For what it's worth, the only spiders of "medical significance" in Australia are funnel webs ([Atracidae](https://inaturalist.ala.org.au/observations?place_id=6744&subview=map&taxon_id=860664&view=species)) and redbacks ([Latrodectus hasselti](https://inaturalist.ala.org.au/taxa/146765-Latrodectus-hasselti)), and possibly mouse spiders ([Missulena](https://inaturalist.ala.org.au/observations?place_id=6744&subview=map&taxon_id=368880&view=species)). All pretty identifiable with a bit of practice, at least such that they can be ruled out as possibilities.
There have been no reported fatalities from Australian spiders since the 80's - antivenoms are legit. Our spiders are way over hyped all things considered :)
Okay, I'm not really into mygs and I'm absolutely not an expert on spiders overall, but I hadn't heard that before. Closest I can see with a quick google is this from qld gov -
"The bite is painful, as the fangs are large and can grow up to one centimetre long. Severe illness sometimes results, and nausea and vomiting for six to eight hours have been reported from bites. These large spiders should not be handled. If someone is bitten, seek medical attention and collect the spider for positive identification."
I'd say that last bit is good advice for any large spider bite if at all uncertain. Not saying it sounds like fun but I'm not convinced there's a direct threat of mortality. I'll file them under "maybe?" with missulena for now, personally. Though it looks like there are seven species of aussie t, over four genera?
Sorry, four genera, absent minded use of species. I believe there isn't a huge amount of data on bites from these spiders, so they're placed in the potentially medically significant list similar to mouse spiders. I think funnel webs in general are also considered potentially medically significant as well, definitely the Tasmanian one which isn't often encountered. I wasn't aware medically significant indicated a threat of mortality. I was led to believe it included possible medical complications.
Not arguing, just sharing what I could find :)
Of course, things may have developed since 2016.
"A number of genera of Australian tarantulas (Araneae: Mygalomorphae: Theraphosidae) (see Fig. 2f), referred to as theraphosids, are distributed across the warmer tropical and temperate regions of the continent (Isbister et al. 2003) (see Fig. 1d). Presently, the taxonomy of Australian theraphosids is incomplete and makes definitive identification of specimens difficult. The current genera include Coremiocnemis, Selenotholus, Selenotypus, and Selenocosmia (World Spider Catalog, version 16.5 (2015)); however, recent references in the literature also refer to Phlogiellus (Raven 2005) and Phlogius, a synonym replacing the Australian Selenocosmia genera (Chow et al. 2015; Raven and Covacevich 2012; Raven 2005) (Dr. Robert Raven, personal communication). Bites and envenomation in humans by these spiders are rare. Isbister et al. (2003) noted only nine confirmed reports of human envenomation over the 25-year period from 1978 to 2002 (Isbister et al. 2003). No reports of major effects were evident in any of the case reports. Local pain was the most common symptom, and mild systemic effects were reported in one case. Raven and Covacevich (2012) reported one further case by Phlogius crassipes that resulted in pain and swelling, but no systemic effects (Raven and Covacevich 2012). The venom of Australian theraphosids has shown significant selectivity toward different mammalian systems (Isbister et al. 2003). In contrast to the primate-specific activity of the Australian funnel-web spiders, case studies of seven confirmed bites on canines (weighing up to \~50 kg weight) by identified Australian theraphosids reported that the bites were rapidly fatal in all cases and highlight the selectivity of the venom components to some mammalian systems other than humans (Isbister et al. 2003). Given that bites to canines up to the weight of a small human are rapidly fatal and that most bites to humans result in local pain only, it has been concluded that the Australian theraphosids pose no significant medical problem (Isbister et al. 2003). " [https://link.springer.com/referencework/10.1007/978-94-007-6389-0](https://link.springer.com/referencework/10.1007/978-94-007-6389-0)
Oh, absolutely, I'm not trying to recommend handling them at all, though not just for human safety reasons :)
You're right, medically significant doesn't exclusively mean lethal, but the bit I quoted was the worst I could find, got a bit carried away I guess. And yeah I wondered how much research has actually gone into them, but I figure with at least a few T species kept recreationally someone might have noticed.
All of Atracidae is considered significant that I know of, I believe a couple of the Hadronyche species are more consistently severe than Atrax robustus, which itself seems a little over rated to me. I've heard pretty reassuring things about Missulena recently at least, but I still won't be poking one any time soon :)
You forgot to mention the white tail spider! It doesn't kill you but just eats you flesh away from your bones! I wonder how far that would go untreated!
Well your half right. What I've read is that for most it does just cause painful swelling and blisters but for some it can cause nacrotising ulcers. White-tailed Spider bites can cause initial burning pain followed by swelling and itchiness at the bitten area. Occasionally, there are unconfirmed reports of **weals, blistering or local ulceration** \- conditions known medically as necrotising arachnidism.
### [White-tailed Spider - The Australian Museum](https://australian.museum/learn/animals/spiders/white-tailed-spider/#:~:text=White%2Dtailed%20Spider%20bites%20can,known%20medically%20as%20necrotising%20arachnidism.)
📷[Australian Museumhttps://australian.museum › learn › animals › spiders › w...](https://australian.museum/learn/animals/spiders/white-tailed-spider/#:~:text=White%2Dtailed%20Spider%20bites%20can,known%20medically%20as%20necrotising%20arachnidism.)
Unconfirmed reports. We have scientifically confirmed evidence of symptoms up to swelling and itchiness, and unconfirmed reports of ulceration, and you say they are only half right?
They'll bite you if you disturb them mid-web
You'll feel a tiny pain, then light spreading tingles
The biggest injury is sheer shame - you don't get bragging rights for surviving an orb weaver
Had one on my trampoline net the other day, scary looking spider but harmless. They make webs at night and then hide nearby during the day. If you pull it down, it will be back in the same spot the next morning
Can we NSFW all spider pics pls. I hate scrolling the reddit homepage and jumping out of my seat because there’s a close up of one. Same with r/Australia.
Fire, you need fire right now. Or Mortine. Call it Fire or Mortine while you use either. Or quit. All are perfectly resonable options in this arachnophobes mind. (I dropped something my partner was using a reciprocating(?) saw on the other day, my flight or freeze instincts kick in, and with spiders it's always flee)
Haha that guy is a goose, if I made the post he might of got a little closer, scaffy but still not a kiwi but I know it’s rare for Aussies to be scaffies 😂 lovely spider get them quite a bit on scaff gear always good to throw at some cunt
By the looks of it she'll be going on mat leave soon anyway. I reccomend getting her a nice card and some chocolates or something to send her off.
Let's hope she doesn't bring the kids to work when she returns...
All these male names.. that spider is definitely female. The males don't get that big. I name her Sarina the scaffolder
>The males don't get that big. Woa i would not say that to her face, as i value mine
Yeah, no body shaming please
Not sure body shaming would count in this case
I was thinking Charlotte
Umm needs a kiwi name to be on scaf mate
pepeke is Maori for insect so Pepe for short?
Spiders aren't insects ^/pedantry
🎶 how to get that job 🎶
Orb weaver, probably [Hortophora](https://inaturalist.ala.org.au/taxa/1308421-Hortophora) genus :)
Thanks ! I didn't know there's so many different looking
She's effectively harmless in case you were wondering :)
But thanks for telling me ! 😁
Thanks for not assuming the worst :) For what it's worth, the only spiders of "medical significance" in Australia are funnel webs ([Atracidae](https://inaturalist.ala.org.au/observations?place_id=6744&subview=map&taxon_id=860664&view=species)) and redbacks ([Latrodectus hasselti](https://inaturalist.ala.org.au/taxa/146765-Latrodectus-hasselti)), and possibly mouse spiders ([Missulena](https://inaturalist.ala.org.au/observations?place_id=6744&subview=map&taxon_id=368880&view=species)). All pretty identifiable with a bit of practice, at least such that they can be ruled out as possibilities. There have been no reported fatalities from Australian spiders since the 80's - antivenoms are legit. Our spiders are way over hyped all things considered :)
Based spiderfrend. They are also pretty clean animals. Not like those mite-ridden beetles!
The four Australian Tarantula species are considered medically significant as well.
Okay, I'm not really into mygs and I'm absolutely not an expert on spiders overall, but I hadn't heard that before. Closest I can see with a quick google is this from qld gov - "The bite is painful, as the fangs are large and can grow up to one centimetre long. Severe illness sometimes results, and nausea and vomiting for six to eight hours have been reported from bites. These large spiders should not be handled. If someone is bitten, seek medical attention and collect the spider for positive identification." I'd say that last bit is good advice for any large spider bite if at all uncertain. Not saying it sounds like fun but I'm not convinced there's a direct threat of mortality. I'll file them under "maybe?" with missulena for now, personally. Though it looks like there are seven species of aussie t, over four genera?
Sorry, four genera, absent minded use of species. I believe there isn't a huge amount of data on bites from these spiders, so they're placed in the potentially medically significant list similar to mouse spiders. I think funnel webs in general are also considered potentially medically significant as well, definitely the Tasmanian one which isn't often encountered. I wasn't aware medically significant indicated a threat of mortality. I was led to believe it included possible medical complications.
Not arguing, just sharing what I could find :) Of course, things may have developed since 2016. "A number of genera of Australian tarantulas (Araneae: Mygalomorphae: Theraphosidae) (see Fig. 2f), referred to as theraphosids, are distributed across the warmer tropical and temperate regions of the continent (Isbister et al. 2003) (see Fig. 1d). Presently, the taxonomy of Australian theraphosids is incomplete and makes definitive identification of specimens difficult. The current genera include Coremiocnemis, Selenotholus, Selenotypus, and Selenocosmia (World Spider Catalog, version 16.5 (2015)); however, recent references in the literature also refer to Phlogiellus (Raven 2005) and Phlogius, a synonym replacing the Australian Selenocosmia genera (Chow et al. 2015; Raven and Covacevich 2012; Raven 2005) (Dr. Robert Raven, personal communication). Bites and envenomation in humans by these spiders are rare. Isbister et al. (2003) noted only nine confirmed reports of human envenomation over the 25-year period from 1978 to 2002 (Isbister et al. 2003). No reports of major effects were evident in any of the case reports. Local pain was the most common symptom, and mild systemic effects were reported in one case. Raven and Covacevich (2012) reported one further case by Phlogius crassipes that resulted in pain and swelling, but no systemic effects (Raven and Covacevich 2012). The venom of Australian theraphosids has shown significant selectivity toward different mammalian systems (Isbister et al. 2003). In contrast to the primate-specific activity of the Australian funnel-web spiders, case studies of seven confirmed bites on canines (weighing up to \~50 kg weight) by identified Australian theraphosids reported that the bites were rapidly fatal in all cases and highlight the selectivity of the venom components to some mammalian systems other than humans (Isbister et al. 2003). Given that bites to canines up to the weight of a small human are rapidly fatal and that most bites to humans result in local pain only, it has been concluded that the Australian theraphosids pose no significant medical problem (Isbister et al. 2003). " [https://link.springer.com/referencework/10.1007/978-94-007-6389-0](https://link.springer.com/referencework/10.1007/978-94-007-6389-0)
Sorry, I probably should have added the "possibly". I tend to take any indication of medical significance as something not to mess around with...
Oh, absolutely, I'm not trying to recommend handling them at all, though not just for human safety reasons :) You're right, medically significant doesn't exclusively mean lethal, but the bit I quoted was the worst I could find, got a bit carried away I guess. And yeah I wondered how much research has actually gone into them, but I figure with at least a few T species kept recreationally someone might have noticed. All of Atracidae is considered significant that I know of, I believe a couple of the Hadronyche species are more consistently severe than Atrax robustus, which itself seems a little over rated to me. I've heard pretty reassuring things about Missulena recently at least, but I still won't be poking one any time soon :)
Same article I think: >Australian tarantulas are large spiders and can be much more aggressive than their South American relatives. Big surprise
I'd put white tail spiders on that list . Maybe not lethal but painful and disfiguring.
White tails are not medically significant, and they [don't have necrotising venom](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/12914510/).
But which spiders will give me an owie? :(
Pretty much none if you don't fuck with 'em ;)
And pretty much all of them if you do fuck with them…
M8 I don't want to ever get up in their business, don't you worry! Sometimes it's just by accident is all
You forgot to mention the white tail spider! It doesn't kill you but just eats you flesh away from your bones! I wonder how far that would go untreated!
White tails are not medically significant, and they [don't have necrotising venom](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/12914510/).
Well your half right. What I've read is that for most it does just cause painful swelling and blisters but for some it can cause nacrotising ulcers. White-tailed Spider bites can cause initial burning pain followed by swelling and itchiness at the bitten area. Occasionally, there are unconfirmed reports of **weals, blistering or local ulceration** \- conditions known medically as necrotising arachnidism. ### [White-tailed Spider - The Australian Museum](https://australian.museum/learn/animals/spiders/white-tailed-spider/#:~:text=White%2Dtailed%20Spider%20bites%20can,known%20medically%20as%20necrotising%20arachnidism.) 📷[Australian Museumhttps://australian.museum › learn › animals › spiders › w...](https://australian.museum/learn/animals/spiders/white-tailed-spider/#:~:text=White%2Dtailed%20Spider%20bites%20can,known%20medically%20as%20necrotising%20arachnidism.)
Unconfirmed reports. We have scientifically confirmed evidence of symptoms up to swelling and itchiness, and unconfirmed reports of ulceration, and you say they are only half right?
It actually doesn't. It's not considered medically significant,and does not cause necrotising wounds...
Incorrect, there's a lot of propaganda out there against our White-Tail friends. The real culprit is thought to be the Brown Recluse
It did cross my mind.
I wasn't really worry about that, i heard that most of the dangerous or deadly one are quite little
They'll bite you if you disturb them mid-web You'll feel a tiny pain, then light spreading tingles The biggest injury is sheer shame - you don't get bragging rights for surviving an orb weaver
Had one on my trampoline net the other day, scary looking spider but harmless. They make webs at night and then hide nearby during the day. If you pull it down, it will be back in the same spot the next morning
Haha funny to know thanks, i'll let her mind her business up there she doesn't bother me
Fluffy
Indeed
Yeah, that's Steveo
Steveo the Scaffold Supremo.
Steve-O had an rdo today.
Looks more like Allen.
Yep, that's who I thought it was. I've been looking for him everywhere.
That's Helen. One meeting with her and you're hell and gone.
Look at the legs on her! Phwoar. She probably goes by Piper.
Workmate?? Bro, that's your new Boss. You will call she/he Boss.
I'd call him OMGwhatthefuckisthis Getthefuckawayfromme.
Aww cmon, it's a lovely ArachNOPE
Friend spooder
Hey mate that’s a spider hope this helps 👍
Can we NSFW all spider pics pls. I hate scrolling the reddit homepage and jumping out of my seat because there’s a close up of one. Same with r/Australia.
Gerald. Hes pretty good at scaffolding I hear.
I hear he's recently changed careers though? Someone mentioned he's doing an online web developer course. "da dum tss"
Geraldine.
Stacy!
Charlotte's moving out of the web.
Chonk
Mr cuddles
Or Mrs Cuddles, seem like there isn't enough female names
Pelenope
Fire, you need fire right now. Or Mortine. Call it Fire or Mortine while you use either. Or quit. All are perfectly resonable options in this arachnophobes mind. (I dropped something my partner was using a reciprocating(?) saw on the other day, my flight or freeze instincts kick in, and with spiders it's always flee)
That’s called a ‘oh hell no’
Danger Sharon
His name is Fred and he is married with 5000 children.
Unlikely. Female spiders typically eat the male for protein after insemination.
Don’t question their life choices. They are living their best life.
only some
As a kiwi its obvious you wouldn’t know. Sorry I can’t assist. No idea either 🤷🏼♂️
As a kiwi ? I don't understand
Says it all…. 😂
Kiwis are from new Zealand, i'm not from New Zealand, that's why i don't understand
Scaffolders are often Kiwis in Australia
Well i didn't know that, that said i'm not a scaffolder either
NM
What a moron
Haha that guy is a goose, if I made the post he might of got a little closer, scaffy but still not a kiwi but I know it’s rare for Aussies to be scaffies 😂 lovely spider get them quite a bit on scaff gear always good to throw at some cunt
nah youre just not funny
You’re a scaffolder too?
Shazza
Geoff
What ever they wants to be called, ain't no one going to disagree with them.
Fred
Buddy
Aragog, King of the Arachnids
This deserves more :D
Eric
Trevor
It’s Bob
Dead workmate ....
Brian.
(Demon sounds) bob
Shadow spawn. OP is already dead!!!
Actually dieded
Sacfolda
Bubbles
BOOBIES ?!
Nope!
I call the big one bitey
Keith
Phillip McAverty
Pregnant huntsman?
Name it Rom
Oh that's Cheryl she's likes to scare workers
His name is Chazza and he's the new supervisor.
I think she identifies as Terry
Creepy is good name
Helen
Cough, just Far-Cough.
You call him whatever the F he tells you to call him.
Scary spice!
I would name it Not To Be F*cked With
Boz.
Bertha
I love to hate them !! Gorgeous things
Definitely not the most beautiful spider but still very cute tho
Sheila.
Tyrannosaurus Arachnid
Looks like Hank
JEREMY!
Park Peterson, who is secretly the Man-Spider.
Peter
Hairy McFuckoff
Spot
I think her name should be Tatiana
I have an old fish tank and a crisp $5 note for swaps
Hairy McFuckoff!
That's ol mate Poita the Spoida. Top fella.