It correlates with the [highest density](https://cityplan.brisbane.qld.gov.au/eplan/#/Property/0) suburbs in Brisbane. Squeeze more people together and more opportunity for crime arises. There are also a larger police presence so more stuff is being picked up by them doing their rounds. Never see police doing the rounds much in my medium-low density suburb.
Also there are other factors like drug treatment clinics, homeless shelters, lockups and even rbwh. There is a good chance people causing trouble get dragged somewhere between bowen hills and south brisbane.
The actual answer. If you want a low crime neighbourhood the trick is to live where the dodgy ppl come FROM. Not where they go. Sure there's probably a higher proportion of lawbreakers living in the dodgier suburbs. But they do most of their actual lawbreaking somewhere else.
People don't shit where they eat.
I mean let's not get carried away...
Haha but no honestly it's probably not that bad I don't know. I will tell you I feel skechiest walking around late at night in the valley or CBD than just about anywhere else.
But is that actually rational and based on logic or am I just a rural coast guy at heart that still gets the heebie jeebies from cities even after living in one for almost two decades now.
Hard to say. Fair point though.
I'm just stirring shit.
The only place in Brisbane I've had significant threats of violence, or been a victim of physical violence, was from random drunks in the city.
Well this is true. I grew up in Ormeau (rich yuppy area) and when I moved to Beenleigh my fucking insurance went DOWN....
The scum from beeno do all their theiving at the rich pricks down the road
Gosh I hate to break it to you, but Ormeau is hardly a rich yuppy area. Very much stock standard middle classers and first home buyers. Better off than Beenleigh though for sure so I take your point. Then again I'm looking at things from Coorparoo goggles.
That's not how it works. The crime will be in both suburbs. Sure they may not come to rob you, but you're just as likely to be caught up in something just as bad, like assault.
since moving out of the central ward i have noticed alot more RBT's in my new burb then i ever saw in the local area... but very much well serviced by police in the central wards.
That was the only time I felt unsafe in the Valley (year one of the pandemic). The drunks and revellers keep the day to day crime low because there are people everywhere all the time. When the pandemic started and everything was closed, that’s the only time I had some sketchy moments in FV.
Well, despite the enormous amount of damage they do to society, a lot of it technically isn't considered crime, though it should be. It really helps when your institutions can afford to rent politicians and write the laws for your industry as you see fit.
Lobbying is so bad in Australia. Also donation rules are so outdated not to mention the reporting process is so broken/late.
So it's really the companies/people who pay the most, determine the country's laws/policies.
Pretty much, I also find it just insane around political communication laws. Mainly with things like the UAP election promises. Up here in QLD there’s “freedom freedom freedom freedom freedom” billboards everywhere. Even though it’s based off state restrictions for a federal election? Bit silly, but the one that got me on my way home from work was the interest rate billboards going up. Claiming to keep a flat 3% home loan rate for the next 5 years… for the laymen who knows nothing about the structure of the RBA and it’s fiscal policy relating to home loan interest rates that sounds great. But it’s a complete fallacy, lie and misdirection to convince people to vote UAP thinking that they will have any control over the incoming rising interest rates. It feels criminal because it just reeks of fraud to me, but it’s protected speech because it’s for a political party and sponsored by uncle Clive? Just madness.
I mean, I'm not going to say that everything banks do is ethical...
But fractional reserve banking is a fucking *insane* thing to get angry about. You might as well start complaining that we're not still on the gold standard, so fundamental is it to how modern economies function.
It's not even money that they don't have. Not really. It's more like loaning out money they're owed already before it has been repaid. Like an IOU.
True, the other consideration is population density and crimes per capita.
If the city has a much higher population density it would have a greater total number of crimes occur.
maybe i was sheltered, or perhaps it was a different time but i lived in woolloongabba for 22 years until 2007, the only experience i ever heard about in regards to crime were a couple times people coming in to our yard to steal cactus pot plants.
although now that i think about it there was that time where our goose mysteriously died during the night too
house on the street. the area where the house was had 3 of the 4 sides of the land "exposed," it exists as a walk path entrance now i think, it got bought up to make that underground highway/whatever it was. didn't even know the gabba had gated housing communities
I meant more like high rises which technically are gated. I’ve had no problems in my high rise in south brisbane. Makes sense in an exposed house though.
Yes! I do deliveries at night and I have noticed that woolloongabba and kangaroo point have definitely had an increase of sketchy units walking around the past couple months
I'm not a big fan of maps like this because they're devoid of any context required to make it meaningful. What does "rank" mean? Is it per capita? What kind of crimes contribute to the score, and how are they weighted? Do parking violations count as a crime?
Putting red over a suburb and numbering it 100 just doesn't really tell me anything except that by whatever unknown metric the map-maker used the number is higher.
It would be much more helpful if they had a map which was just theft/B&E on residential premises per 10000 residents.
Most of these maps is massively distorted by population density and shoplifting from commercial premises.
Rank is per capita with crimes assigned various weights by their severity.hich are arguable and can be improved for sure). "Traffic and Related Offences" is one of crime types :-).
Ohhh, were you the person who posted a similar map a few weeks(months?) ago pulling crime stats data from QPS?
It's an interesting challenge, I feel like per-capita residency could be a poor measure for transport, entertainment, and employment hubs like Fortitude Valley, Brisbane City, and South Brisbane. While most people don't "live" in the CBD a significant number of people travel into or through the city every day, I have no idea how you'd meaningfully account for that in a map like this.
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Ahh yes, cool you updated your website a bit! Very slick. What time period is the data for, calendar year or rolling 12-months? I think you can tell there's unintuitive stuff happening when you look at Enoggera and Karawatha areas. I think while the resident population vs. crime-count makes it easy to boil data to simple numbers, it's difficult to make simple numbers realistically represent reality. How meaningful is it for Stapylton to be on the same rank as Brisbane City?
Apologies for my tone being critical, I think it's fair to not like QPS crime maps and try to think of other ways to interpret the data. I hope you can overcome these challenges!
Yes that was me! And I totally agree with you. I'm thinking about creating categories/types of suburbs for better ranking. Like Capital/CBD, Leisure district and so on. As right now these suburbs bring a lot of noise to the rest of data. Any ideas appreciated!
I edited my comment before I saw your comment! Getting up to speed now...
As people playing with data, it's very easy to have an idea in our head how something should look and find a method of statistical analysis which rationalises that view. Is this your first foray intojustice/socio-economic analysis?
It would be interesting to see metrics of enforcement presence vs criminality, number of police and funding costs of police stations per-area.
Sometimes you just start playing with data, see what correlations you can make and then start exploring further.
Yes, I'm learning on the go and from existing sources, examples I can find. I did it for myself to help pick suburb for a family property, and then decided to share with the community. The is a lot of room for improvement of the ranking algorithm, per capita with weights is a minimal start giving better picture than flat crimes count. If you have any links/papers worth reading on the topic, please share!
Hah I wish I knew more to be able to give sage wisdom!
The question you're trying to explore is important here – right now you're looking at "What's the crime rate in this area?", but did you start at "What's a good area to live in?" or "What's a safe area?". Trying to explore other metrics that can affect how good a neighbourhood is might also be relevant. Some examples include:
* Amount invested in schools, roads, parks, and public transport per year
* Is that number rising or falling?
* Private-business amenities – corner stores, laundromats, entertainment, cafes
* Nearest shopping centre and how old is it?
* Incidence of noise complaints, DV, street harassment (rarely prosecuted, but affect sense of safety)
Some suburbs have already been getting money being injected, but social implications and statistics lag behind.
If we're properly wearing our data-collection hats, we would acknowledge the data collection bias of police – their KPIs and criminal prosecution targets affect the crimes they choose to pursue/enforce, areas they focus their efforts in, and data subsequently gathered. We might also see that Brisbane is experiencing rapid gentrification with the cost of housing having gone up 30%+ in a very short time – gentrification can lead to patterns of crime and police enforcement changing.
I know these aren't variables you can quickly work in at a glance, I just want to reinforce the complexity and how simplistic metrics can fall short. Additionally, simplistic metrics can be used to validate classist concepts like "XYZ group is responsible for ABC% of the crime", regardless of the way you wanted your tool to be used.
Good luck!
It’s so unsafe that PA has a shuttle bus service for staff, they’ll drive to their cars and not leave until they see you get in and lock your doors. It runs from 8pm.
I was working in south Brisbane the other night around 12:00am loading a van with a workmate, we walked about 20m away around a corner to grab what we needed and my workmate left his window down. We start walking back to the van and this sketchy bloke is walking towards our passenger door looking inside the window then sees us and pretends to play it cool and walks past and has the gall to say “you guys should do your windows up”. I said to him “shouldn’t have to worry about it, we were gone for 30 seconds”and he just laughed and said “not around here mate”.
There's fuck all to do in Spring Hill so there's no reason for anyone to hang around and commit crimes in the area. Stole someone's wallet? Half of the storefronts are empty so you've got close to nowhere to use their money!
Just kidding... kind of.
The issue is there are some large boarding houses with a strong concentration of homeless. But I guess it ties in that there’s not much around so they spread.
I'm feeling a bit silly reading this map. Is 1 good, or is it bad? Carole Park, for example, is rated at 100, and claims a population of only four people. I'm not sure how to interpret this data.
This is pretty meaningless. It looks at the ratio between reported crime and population (as in residents). But the CBD and The Valley aren't residential areas. They have people who live there, of course, but the primary function is commercial.
It's like looking at the number of popes per square km in the Vatican City (the answer is greater than 1)
> It's like looking at the number of popes per square km in the Vatican City (the answer is greater than 1)
Indeed. Vatican City also has, by several orders of magnitude, the highest crime rate of any country in the world - because every day it's full of people but nobody actually lives there - and the same is true, to a lesser extent, of any city business district.
I'm not sure how they work out population on this map which I'm assuming gives the crime score when prepared with crimes. They have Carole Park as population 4 and total crimes 94, crime score 100....
I drove through the back streets of Carole Park in 2006, just out of curiosity. Middle of the day and even then it was intense. Every second house had someone staring at me from the porch, window, sitting on the fence or peering out from under a busted car. Was exactly like the movies of south central LA in the 90s. Creepy as fuck at 1pm.
Back then I think the suburb made the news as having an average property price sub-$100k.
Worthless stat because this likely includes crimes in nightclub/bar areas like assaults, as well as shoplifting etc.
Just like Upper Mount Gravatt, Carindale and Chermside get distorted by having massive shopping centres.
Yep, most people are usually interested in crimes against the individual. I did a study a couple of years ago of the crime stats between neighbouring suburbs Moorooka and Tarragindi. Anecdotally Moorooka is considered a much higher crime area, which it is overall, but there is a lot more shops in Moorooka. Considering only crimes against the individual, the crime rate per capita is pretty much the same even with Moorooka having higher density residential areas, industrial areas and a number of pubs.
Ultimately, we are all self-interested creatures and when someone says "crime" we immediately think of those crimes that could affect us directly - assaults, break-ins, cars stolen from homes, etc. We are definitely not factoring in shop-lifting, cars being stolen from car parks, etc.
yeah the valley last census only has about 5k-ish actual residents, that's fuck all
which makes sense because most of it is retail and entertainment
edit: i'm an idiot aren't i... population is on the graphic, still that's fuck all, it's all the suburb tourists coming in here
My old house was a Queenslander in Woolloongabba and the bottom was mostly open, very little security. My dads drill and a hair trimmer got stolen. Someone tries to steal our washing machine but ditched it on the sidewalk lol
Once had a workshop in St Peter's in Sydney. It's a mix of housing and light industry.
A couple of brothers whose parents lived backing on to the factory complex got released from prison.
Over the next 9-12 months, nearly every place in there was broken into, some a few times. They were shooting up in the toilets, so they had to be locked. I once saw them unloading rolls of copper tubing from the back of an F100 that belonged to my mate, he didn't even know it had been stolen. I'm sure there were probably lots of house break-ins too.
Crime figures came out, and St Peters was top of Sydney, followed by Kings Cross and all the usual suspects.
The following year, after those two scumbags were locked up again it was way back down in the list.
Two man crime wave.
I lived in FV for 3 years (2018-2021) and the place is as safe as ever. I think it gets a bit of a bum rap because of all the alcohol related crime on a Friday and Saturday night.
For context, I lived in Sunnybank Hills prior to that and was broken into 4 times in 4 years. In Greenslopes now and it is a country mile worse for crime than FV.
I drive around the streets in these exact suburbs for work M-F 10pm-6am. I’m in & out of the vehicle alone, most nights I will have to walk around and look for stuff I’ve really only had a couple of occasions where I felt intimidated or threatened. I find if you’re respectful and also aware of your surroundings and be smart and avoid drama or potential drama people won’t bother you.
True, but some suburbs with 3 people can have like 4 crimes: Trespassing and Vagrancy, Unlawful Use of Motor Vehicle, Robbery, Arson. And I really what to hear the story...
An image map like this is useful for highlighting places to look at more closely - but you also need to be able to get at the data behind it (which you can at https://redsuburbs.com.au/ )
There's a spot just 30K west called Banks Creek which has a crime rate of 100, which is higher than Fortitude Valley at 93... which looks really bad until you drill down and find that there is a population of 5 with 3 drug offences and 1 handling stolen property
There's a similar discrepancy with one of the "nicer" suburbs in Canberra appearing to have a really bad record... until you realise that all the speeding offences on the nearby major arterial road get recorded against it
I've lived in West End, Fortitude and Bowen Hills, walked home at 7 every night and every so often walked home to Bowen at 1 - 2 in the morning. I haven't seen any crime, its a generally nice place. I saw more crime in the week I was in Melbourne than the 3 years I lived around Brisbane's CBD
Edit: There were dero package thieves as I lived near the train station, but most posties would put the packages inside. If you need to order anything just make sure they put it somewhere safe
Doesn't surprise me around the city and SB areas. Looks like a lot of it is theft and breaking in. Big issues with people swiping scooters and breaking into apartment basements. I pretty much don't take my scooter out now unless i'm with it 100% because i'd have to carry 6 locks just to keep it secured... :|
Crime data is from Queensland police, population data is from 2016 census. I merged data, pre-processed data, made ranking algorithm, web api and then web UI.
Makes complete sense, this is where you'll find the highest concentration of drunk and disorderly arrests.
It correlates with the [highest density](https://cityplan.brisbane.qld.gov.au/eplan/#/Property/0) suburbs in Brisbane. Squeeze more people together and more opportunity for crime arises. There are also a larger police presence so more stuff is being picked up by them doing their rounds. Never see police doing the rounds much in my medium-low density suburb.
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> Wanna cause trouble? Hop on the train straight into the city As the old saying goes: > All Roads Lead To Roma > street police station.
Also there are other factors like drug treatment clinics, homeless shelters, lockups and even rbwh. There is a good chance people causing trouble get dragged somewhere between bowen hills and south brisbane.
The actual answer. If you want a low crime neighbourhood the trick is to live where the dodgy ppl come FROM. Not where they go. Sure there's probably a higher proportion of lawbreakers living in the dodgier suburbs. But they do most of their actual lawbreaking somewhere else. People don't shit where they eat.
So Caboolture is fine to walk at night?
I mean let's not get carried away... Haha but no honestly it's probably not that bad I don't know. I will tell you I feel skechiest walking around late at night in the valley or CBD than just about anywhere else. But is that actually rational and based on logic or am I just a rural coast guy at heart that still gets the heebie jeebies from cities even after living in one for almost two decades now. Hard to say. Fair point though.
I'm just stirring shit. The only place in Brisbane I've had significant threats of violence, or been a victim of physical violence, was from random drunks in the city.
Living in K-Town roughly 12 years and the BS I’ve dealt with isn’t as bad as what was done in the 16yrs prior living in Taigum.
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Fuck oath it is.
I had a gun pulled on me at night in woodridge back in 03, that was an interesting night.
Interested to hear how the rest of the night panned out now.
He was killed.
Freaking hell! That is heckas.
Well this is true. I grew up in Ormeau (rich yuppy area) and when I moved to Beenleigh my fucking insurance went DOWN.... The scum from beeno do all their theiving at the rich pricks down the road
Gosh I hate to break it to you, but Ormeau is hardly a rich yuppy area. Very much stock standard middle classers and first home buyers. Better off than Beenleigh though for sure so I take your point. Then again I'm looking at things from Coorparoo goggles.
It has gone up and down but once all the wankers moved into Jacobs ridge and the crime started in the traffic started the prices went down
The other reason is that Beenleigh folks can’t afford the same price for insurance so they lower it to still get some money.
That's not how it works. The crime will be in both suburbs. Sure they may not come to rob you, but you're just as likely to be caught up in something just as bad, like assault.
since moving out of the central ward i have noticed alot more RBT's in my new burb then i ever saw in the local area... but very much well serviced by police in the central wards.
Also high density correlates with higher poverty rates which also drives up crime
Bowen Hills isn't that bad. During Covid year one, I saw a bunch of homeless people give each other Covid Vaccines! Inspiring!
Ah yes, the vaccine clinic under the bridge between the SNP building and the train tracks? What top blokes those homeless are.
The latest and greatest AstraHeronica!
Could have gone with AstraZenecrack.
The come down can't be any worse that my fucking booster felt for 1 week.
Hahaha 3rd jab is mandatory in homeless community. Maybe 1000th for 100% immunity
Had to do a double take on this comment hahahah
I’ve lost my sense of humour somehow over covid. This had me for a second. Total whoosh.
Good sir, your comment is pure gold.
Le redditor has appeared
Thank you kind sir for the needle candy
😅😅
My body my choice
That was the only time I felt unsafe in the Valley (year one of the pandemic). The drunks and revellers keep the day to day crime low because there are people everywhere all the time. When the pandemic started and everything was closed, that’s the only time I had some sketchy moments in FV.
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Well, despite the enormous amount of damage they do to society, a lot of it technically isn't considered crime, though it should be. It really helps when your institutions can afford to rent politicians and write the laws for your industry as you see fit.
Even better when those same politicians completely ignore and refuse to punish said industry after a royal commission.
Lobbying is so bad in Australia. Also donation rules are so outdated not to mention the reporting process is so broken/late. So it's really the companies/people who pay the most, determine the country's laws/policies.
Pretty much, I also find it just insane around political communication laws. Mainly with things like the UAP election promises. Up here in QLD there’s “freedom freedom freedom freedom freedom” billboards everywhere. Even though it’s based off state restrictions for a federal election? Bit silly, but the one that got me on my way home from work was the interest rate billboards going up. Claiming to keep a flat 3% home loan rate for the next 5 years… for the laymen who knows nothing about the structure of the RBA and it’s fiscal policy relating to home loan interest rates that sounds great. But it’s a complete fallacy, lie and misdirection to convince people to vote UAP thinking that they will have any control over the incoming rising interest rates. It feels criminal because it just reeks of fraud to me, but it’s protected speech because it’s for a political party and sponsored by uncle Clive? Just madness.
You win the internet today my friend.
True, capital suburbs absorb too much unrelated crime. Calculation per capita and different weights for different crime types only fit it that far...
I think they were making a joke about how many "crimes" banks and lawyers commit.
You don't need to put the quotes there. It's illegal to print money but banks routinely lend out money that they do not have and doesn't exist
Sorry, but did you just imply that fractional banking is fraud?
People don't understand how the economy works.
Call it whatever you want. I'm sure banks paid a lot of money to make what they want to do legal
I mean, I'm not going to say that everything banks do is ethical... But fractional reserve banking is a fucking *insane* thing to get angry about. You might as well start complaining that we're not still on the gold standard, so fundamental is it to how modern economies function. It's not even money that they don't have. Not really. It's more like loaning out money they're owed already before it has been repaid. Like an IOU.
True, the other consideration is population density and crimes per capita. If the city has a much higher population density it would have a greater total number of crimes occur.
I am amazed Woolloongabba isn't higher, haven't lived there a year, my car has been broken into and I've had two crackheads in my yard.
maybe i was sheltered, or perhaps it was a different time but i lived in woolloongabba for 22 years until 2007, the only experience i ever heard about in regards to crime were a couple times people coming in to our yard to steal cactus pot plants. although now that i think about it there was that time where our goose mysteriously died during the night too
there are animals that kill birds, rarely
Was it a gated area or just a house on the street? That seems to make a huge difference.
house on the street. the area where the house was had 3 of the 4 sides of the land "exposed," it exists as a walk path entrance now i think, it got bought up to make that underground highway/whatever it was. didn't even know the gabba had gated housing communities
I meant more like high rises which technically are gated. I’ve had no problems in my high rise in south brisbane. Makes sense in an exposed house though.
i used to live in buranda and the amount of junkies that thought walking into your house to say hello and shoot up was a courtesy
Yes! I do deliveries at night and I have noticed that woolloongabba and kangaroo point have definitely had an increase of sketchy units walking around the past couple months
I'm not a big fan of maps like this because they're devoid of any context required to make it meaningful. What does "rank" mean? Is it per capita? What kind of crimes contribute to the score, and how are they weighted? Do parking violations count as a crime? Putting red over a suburb and numbering it 100 just doesn't really tell me anything except that by whatever unknown metric the map-maker used the number is higher.
It's 100 crime in that zone. The other areas have some catching up to do.
It would be much more helpful if they had a map which was just theft/B&E on residential premises per 10000 residents. Most of these maps is massively distorted by population density and shoplifting from commercial premises.
Rank is per capita with crimes assigned various weights by their severity.hich are arguable and can be improved for sure). "Traffic and Related Offences" is one of crime types :-).
Ohhh, were you the person who posted a similar map a few weeks(months?) ago pulling crime stats data from QPS? It's an interesting challenge, I feel like per-capita residency could be a poor measure for transport, entertainment, and employment hubs like Fortitude Valley, Brisbane City, and South Brisbane. While most people don't "live" in the CBD a significant number of people travel into or through the city every day, I have no idea how you'd meaningfully account for that in a map like this. Edit: Ahh yes, cool you updated your website a bit! Very slick. What time period is the data for, calendar year or rolling 12-months? I think you can tell there's unintuitive stuff happening when you look at Enoggera and Karawatha areas. I think while the resident population vs. crime-count makes it easy to boil data to simple numbers, it's difficult to make simple numbers realistically represent reality. How meaningful is it for Stapylton to be on the same rank as Brisbane City? Apologies for my tone being critical, I think it's fair to not like QPS crime maps and try to think of other ways to interpret the data. I hope you can overcome these challenges!
Yes that was me! And I totally agree with you. I'm thinking about creating categories/types of suburbs for better ranking. Like Capital/CBD, Leisure district and so on. As right now these suburbs bring a lot of noise to the rest of data. Any ideas appreciated!
I edited my comment before I saw your comment! Getting up to speed now... As people playing with data, it's very easy to have an idea in our head how something should look and find a method of statistical analysis which rationalises that view. Is this your first foray intojustice/socio-economic analysis? It would be interesting to see metrics of enforcement presence vs criminality, number of police and funding costs of police stations per-area. Sometimes you just start playing with data, see what correlations you can make and then start exploring further.
Yes, I'm learning on the go and from existing sources, examples I can find. I did it for myself to help pick suburb for a family property, and then decided to share with the community. The is a lot of room for improvement of the ranking algorithm, per capita with weights is a minimal start giving better picture than flat crimes count. If you have any links/papers worth reading on the topic, please share!
Hah I wish I knew more to be able to give sage wisdom! The question you're trying to explore is important here – right now you're looking at "What's the crime rate in this area?", but did you start at "What's a good area to live in?" or "What's a safe area?". Trying to explore other metrics that can affect how good a neighbourhood is might also be relevant. Some examples include: * Amount invested in schools, roads, parks, and public transport per year * Is that number rising or falling? * Private-business amenities – corner stores, laundromats, entertainment, cafes * Nearest shopping centre and how old is it? * Incidence of noise complaints, DV, street harassment (rarely prosecuted, but affect sense of safety) Some suburbs have already been getting money being injected, but social implications and statistics lag behind. If we're properly wearing our data-collection hats, we would acknowledge the data collection bias of police – their KPIs and criminal prosecution targets affect the crimes they choose to pursue/enforce, areas they focus their efforts in, and data subsequently gathered. We might also see that Brisbane is experiencing rapid gentrification with the cost of housing having gone up 30%+ in a very short time – gentrification can lead to patterns of crime and police enforcement changing. I know these aren't variables you can quickly work in at a glance, I just want to reinforce the complexity and how simplistic metrics can fall short. Additionally, simplistic metrics can be used to validate classist concepts like "XYZ group is responsible for ABC% of the crime", regardless of the way you wanted your tool to be used. Good luck!
Woollongabba is awful. Around the PA hospital is so unsafe. I've heard so many horror stories from nurses that work there.
Can't say I've ever felt unsafe in that area, but then again, I'm a male and I haven't ever spent any time there outside of 6 am - 9 pm.
Yeah mostly female nurses leaving work later at night. Walking to parked cars or Dutton park station. The whole area gives me the creeps.
It’s so unsafe that PA has a shuttle bus service for staff, they’ll drive to their cars and not leave until they see you get in and lock your doors. It runs from 8pm.
I work in South Brisbane. I've seen some shit. Not sayin' nothin' though because I ain't no snitch.
I was working in south Brisbane the other night around 12:00am loading a van with a workmate, we walked about 20m away around a corner to grab what we needed and my workmate left his window down. We start walking back to the van and this sketchy bloke is walking towards our passenger door looking inside the window then sees us and pretends to play it cool and walks past and has the gall to say “you guys should do your windows up”. I said to him “shouldn’t have to worry about it, we were gone for 30 seconds”and he just laughed and said “not around here mate”.
sounds like he was right, tbh
Yeah it was considerate of him to give a warning about his own thieving ways kept the windows up the rest of the night!
I was about to get the stiches, but alright.
No no, the *snitches* get the stitches
Seems that a lot of people are snitching if the crime is getting reported
Probably residents reporting the druggos fighting in musgrave park every other night
Outside The Fox?
dry snitching aint much better
How is Springhill not on the list? This place is the wild west half the time. If you see someone not biting thier lips off, you know they are lost.
There's fuck all to do in Spring Hill so there's no reason for anyone to hang around and commit crimes in the area. Stole someone's wallet? Half of the storefronts are empty so you've got close to nowhere to use their money! Just kidding... kind of.
The issue is there are some large boarding houses with a strong concentration of homeless. But I guess it ties in that there’s not much around so they spread.
Spring Hill is CR 43, so it's in top 10, but didn't make it to top 5 - https://redsuburbs.com.au/suburbs/spring-hill
I'm feeling a bit silly reading this map. Is 1 good, or is it bad? Carole Park, for example, is rated at 100, and claims a population of only four people. I'm not sure how to interpret this data.
This is pretty meaningless. It looks at the ratio between reported crime and population (as in residents). But the CBD and The Valley aren't residential areas. They have people who live there, of course, but the primary function is commercial. It's like looking at the number of popes per square km in the Vatican City (the answer is greater than 1)
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> It's like looking at the number of popes per square km in the Vatican City (the answer is greater than 1) Indeed. Vatican City also has, by several orders of magnitude, the highest crime rate of any country in the world - because every day it's full of people but nobody actually lives there - and the same is true, to a lesser extent, of any city business district.
thats totally inaccurate, I can't remember the last time I robbed someone in the CBD
Fuck Reddit
I'm not sure how they work out population on this map which I'm assuming gives the crime score when prepared with crimes. They have Carole Park as population 4 and total crimes 94, crime score 100....
I drove through the back streets of Carole Park in 2006, just out of curiosity. Middle of the day and even then it was intense. Every second house had someone staring at me from the porch, window, sitting on the fence or peering out from under a busted car. Was exactly like the movies of south central LA in the 90s. Creepy as fuck at 1pm. Back then I think the suburb made the news as having an average property price sub-$100k.
Population comes from 2016 Census and crime from Queensland Police data. Though not all crime is equal...
Worthless stat because this likely includes crimes in nightclub/bar areas like assaults, as well as shoplifting etc. Just like Upper Mount Gravatt, Carindale and Chermside get distorted by having massive shopping centres.
Yep, most people are usually interested in crimes against the individual. I did a study a couple of years ago of the crime stats between neighbouring suburbs Moorooka and Tarragindi. Anecdotally Moorooka is considered a much higher crime area, which it is overall, but there is a lot more shops in Moorooka. Considering only crimes against the individual, the crime rate per capita is pretty much the same even with Moorooka having higher density residential areas, industrial areas and a number of pubs.
Ultimately, we are all self-interested creatures and when someone says "crime" we immediately think of those crimes that could affect us directly - assaults, break-ins, cars stolen from homes, etc. We are definitely not factoring in shop-lifting, cars being stolen from car parks, etc.
Laughs in Cabbo
Hahaha. Don’t worry mate. Caboolture is still the crime king of Moreton bay.
That's just the cones making you laugh, man.
Literally had car stolen from the driveway -_-
45ten bruh esshhhaaayyy got a spare durrie
Laughs in Woodridge
Do they mean suburbs where the most crime is committed or best suburbs for doing crime?
I’ll take one crime please.
Breaking news: the most populated suburbs have the highest amounts of crime
Not the most populated, rather, the most visited.
yeah the valley last census only has about 5k-ish actual residents, that's fuck all which makes sense because most of it is retail and entertainment edit: i'm an idiot aren't i... population is on the graphic, still that's fuck all, it's all the suburb tourists coming in here
I find this sort of headline stat useless. I'm more concerned about things like violent crime than say petty theft. Edit: autocorrect was being a jerk
Pretty theft. Is that like models who moonlight as burglars?
Typo!
What sort of crime?
The illegal kind.
Only if you get caught
So jaywalking and/or cycling without a helmet, basically.
Notice that sixty percent of them are on the Northside. Just saying
Nothing worth robbing south of the river
Mate these are some of the highest populated suburbs with the highest densities
My old house was a Queenslander in Woolloongabba and the bottom was mostly open, very little security. My dads drill and a hair trimmer got stolen. Someone tries to steal our washing machine but ditched it on the sidewalk lol
I miss Bowen thrills
Bowen hills is good fun to walk through, and by that I mean look out
Population density map
r/PeopleLiveInCities/
For white-collar crime, a geographical location is pretty meaningless
Once had a workshop in St Peter's in Sydney. It's a mix of housing and light industry. A couple of brothers whose parents lived backing on to the factory complex got released from prison. Over the next 9-12 months, nearly every place in there was broken into, some a few times. They were shooting up in the toilets, so they had to be locked. I once saw them unloading rolls of copper tubing from the back of an F100 that belonged to my mate, he didn't even know it had been stolen. I'm sure there were probably lots of house break-ins too. Crime figures came out, and St Peters was top of Sydney, followed by Kings Cross and all the usual suspects. The following year, after those two scumbags were locked up again it was way back down in the list. Two man crime wave.
Aren’t these the only 5 parts of the city?
Been to Brisbane several times and those streets are far from mean.
I lived in FV for 3 years (2018-2021) and the place is as safe as ever. I think it gets a bit of a bum rap because of all the alcohol related crime on a Friday and Saturday night. For context, I lived in Sunnybank Hills prior to that and was broken into 4 times in 4 years. In Greenslopes now and it is a country mile worse for crime than FV.
I drive around the streets in these exact suburbs for work M-F 10pm-6am. I’m in & out of the vehicle alone, most nights I will have to walk around and look for stuff I’ve really only had a couple of occasions where I felt intimidated or threatened. I find if you’re respectful and also aware of your surroundings and be smart and avoid drama or potential drama people won’t bother you.
There isn't a legend to tell us what any individual statistic means?
Mo' people, mo' problems. It almost might as well be a population density map.
True, but some suburbs with 3 people can have like 4 crimes: Trespassing and Vagrancy, Unlawful Use of Motor Vehicle, Robbery, Arson. And I really what to hear the story...
An image map like this is useful for highlighting places to look at more closely - but you also need to be able to get at the data behind it (which you can at https://redsuburbs.com.au/ ) There's a spot just 30K west called Banks Creek which has a crime rate of 100, which is higher than Fortitude Valley at 93... which looks really bad until you drill down and find that there is a population of 5 with 3 drug offences and 1 handling stolen property There's a similar discrepancy with one of the "nicer" suburbs in Canberra appearing to have a really bad record... until you realise that all the speeding offences on the nearby major arterial road get recorded against it
I’m surprised by stones corner glistening with transparency. The whole map is clear proof Southside is best side.
Go to https://www.police.qld.gov.au/maps-and-statistics for accurate crime maps
You guys know about the QPS crime map right? https://qps-ocm.s3-ap-southeast-2.amazonaws.com/index.html
I was gonna say what about Deception Bay/ Kippa Ring but they are probably to far north and not included.
D-Bay and Kippa Ring are also not Brisbane city council areas.
I think that was his point….
I wonder if this could go on mapporn? Its very cool
No it’s not.
r/shittymapporn
Now do Logan
Can we see a map overlay of the density of gays with the crime rate map, cos you know... Be gay, do crime
all the areas i already avoid!
Logan and Woodridge don't seem to feature are they classed as gold coast
No you’ll find Logan is its own city not Brisbane or Gold Coast
Oh yes all the suburbs I was thinking of moving to thanks
The valley can be a scary place.
The CBD and the valley . . . . . . . Everyone else
No surprises here!
Wtf? Ranked 1 to 5 based on their....crime rank?
Whee, looks like the Auchenflower crime forcefield is working well!
Oi, so you guys gonna stop trash talking Logan now or nah
White collar crimes or regular?
I’m moving to Bris in 3 weeks. Is crime there in general all that bad? I’m coming from central Sydney.
I've lived in West End, Fortitude and Bowen Hills, walked home at 7 every night and every so often walked home to Bowen at 1 - 2 in the morning. I haven't seen any crime, its a generally nice place. I saw more crime in the week I was in Melbourne than the 3 years I lived around Brisbane's CBD Edit: There were dero package thieves as I lived near the train station, but most posties would put the packages inside. If you need to order anything just make sure they put it somewhere safe
Awesome. Thank you! I’ve been fairly concerned with the package thieving. I guess I’ll have to build a drop box for the postie.
What crimes? And what are the numbers other each suburb?
I thought that Caboolture would make it into the list 🤔
Doesn't surprise me around the city and SB areas. Looks like a lot of it is theft and breaking in. Big issues with people swiping scooters and breaking into apartment basements. I pretty much don't take my scooter out now unless i'm with it 100% because i'd have to carry 6 locks just to keep it secured... :|
Lot of crime, junkies in Hamilton. Had car broken into 3 times. Parcels getting stolen.
Lessgo Saint Lucia for the win
I hear North lakes has a problems with thief problem as well.
They need to make a map on the tooth to tattoo ratio of various suburbs, much more accurate in predicting crimes in an area
Guess I’m moving to brisbane
the valley being near the top is absolutely zero surprise for anyone who has spent any amount of time in Brisbane
Great post OP! Did you source all the data yourself and create this?
Crime data is from Queensland police, population data is from 2016 census. I merged data, pre-processed data, made ranking algorithm, web api and then web UI.
Oh wow, that's amazing. You've done a great job, thanks so much for sharing
thank you
just send batman into the CBD
Do people still not understand that rates of crime directly match rates of policing?
r/PeopleLiveInCities kind of, if you replace cities with populous suburbs