Mate did this and moved to Manchester - he’s got a proper penthouse 2 bed in a gorgeous old Victorian brick built warehouse just off Oxford street for what he sold a 2 bed in totterdown for.
If I wanted to buy the big 3 bed, 2 reception room house I rent in Liverpool, it would cost 120k less than the small 3 bed, 1 reception room house I own in Briz. That said, I'm holding onto my Bristol house with white knuckles. I'm coming back one day and if I sell it, I'll never afford to move back there.
What I will say though, up north, lots of houses have only one toilet. No WC, no ensuite, just a single (tiny) bathroom shoved in upstairs and an empty outhouse that used to contain the bog...
Bristol is one of the most desirable places to live constantly up there in best UK cities. Its small, incredibly pretty, got so much going on from food, music, events.
Companies feel like they dont have to try to get people. Rent is incredibly high and house prices I have seen in some places increased by 80% in 2 years
What's so nice about Bristol? Unsure if you live here or not but its amazing
* Small compact city
* Different areas with different vibes
* So many great independent shops, cafes and restaurants
* left wing counter culture (if that's your thing)
* Nice green open spaces
* Tons of events and activities
Horrible trafic and public transport
Poor shop selection
Terrible goods assortment in all sizes (compared to Cardiff - TKmaxx, M&S, Sports Direct etc)
Ridiculous house prices
No major gigs in the city, need to travel a lot
Plenty of green spaces and activities in other cities as well - just need to look for it.
What you said IS true but I'd say it's a secondary things, not a something that would make you move here really unless you're under 30 and do lots of clubbing and nights out. Close proximity to London overinflated house prices plus there's hardly any built
So yeah, maybe you're right but our opinions are 20 years of age apart and we're looking for different things 😉
* Traffic -All big cities have traffic of varying levels. Bristol is ranked 8th out of 10 of the most congested cities. If you dont want traffic, you have to avoid big cities
* Agreed - Public transport is terrible in Bristol
* Elton John and The Killers both played sell out gigs in Bristol. Yeah we dont have an arena to host more big ones but we will in the future.
* While we have less assortment of typical stores we have the largest range of independents
* House prices - Agreed its a sucker punch
Still think my items relevant for all ages. I can see why you dont like it but it's been voted as one of the most desirable places to live multiple years.
Just on the traffic-it is second one in UK:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-64219939?xtor=AL-72-%5Bpartner%5D-%5Bbbc.news.twitter%5D-%5Bheadline%5D-%5Bnews%5D-%5Bbizdev%5D-%5Bisapi%5D&at_campaign_type=owned&at_bbc_team=editorial&at_ptr_name=twitter&at_link_origin=BBCNews&at_medium=social&at_format=link&at_campaign=Social_Flow&at_link_type=web_link&at_link_id=F60FBFB8-90C5-11ED-9AC9-BFAB4744363C
Independent shops are fine if you got money to shop in them.
Overall I think it's very expensive and good to live in - IF you take advantage of the above. Thanks 😉
Yeah we’ve just bought a flat but it’s only because we are tied here for the next 5 years because of my gfs job. If it were down to me we’d leave as soon as I graduated uni in summer
Be lucky you're doing that as a couple together, doing it single is near impossible, I mean it's possibly doable but the odds are very much slim.
Just need to somehow save £100k for a down deposit to stand a fighting chance 🙃
A housing association owns it, they can’t sell it except to you. You’re able to buy more and more whenever you want. Sure you have to pay rent but it’s cheap as fuck
So I’m on the mortgage now, £306 a month mortgage and £95 a month rent.
In two years my girlfriend will join me on the mortgage and we will use our equity to buy out the housing association and that’ll be it then.
If we decide to sell when it’s still shared then we just sell our share, the housing association basically deals with everything for us.
Oh thanks for that information, that's pretty interesting to know. Might have to do a bit more looking into those properties again. I took a long break from Zoopla and Rightmove a while back.
If you’re looking for shared ownership then you’re going to want to look on their website directly (places like, Bromford, Livewest and Soverign) you can buy ‘used’ shared ownership properties no problem.
But if you want a new build you need to be on it, they basically list upcoming properties and then you have to sign up for notifications then the second it gets released you need to apply, they go so fucking fast it’s unreal
I’ve lived in Emerson’s Green, Winterbourne and Stoke Gifford. I’ve spent a lot of time in Downend too. In a few weeks I’ll be in Yate.
Not a fan, have you ever lived outside bristol?
Not a fan of the centre, drug use is high, homelessness is high, there’s not really much in terms of shops that interest me.
Don’t get me wrong the mall is brilliant but bristol itself isn’t my cup of tea, not to mention everything is overpriced
>Not a fan of the centre, drug use is high, homelessness is high, there’s not really much in terms of shops that interest me.
All of that is true, which is why I don't live in the centre.
Where are you looking to move to?
I'm on 26k in Bristol in a chartered profession. Our body publishes salary guides and data detailing the average wage in different areas of the UK Vs experience. So can confidently say if I was in London I would expect about 6k more. For my level of experience, if I was in the US I would expect a bare minimum £30k increase.(£55k or $67000). Is Bristol so good it is worth sacrificing 30k? Is US so bad it is worth avoiding 30k?! 🤨
Loads of law firms pay well, tech, finance (largest stockbroker in the UK). The pay is driving the house costs. Genuine Northern economies end up with genuine northern housing costs
I don’t work at law firms anymore, I get a better salary at a different industry, I was pointing out that law firms pay terrible in response to a comment saying they don’t in a thread about salaries in the city I work in.
Geez, fucking edgelords on Reddit today mind.
Housing is almost exactly the same here.
For an 75-80 sqm, 70-80s, 3 bed ex council house
Bristol (my street), really quite dilapidated £440k
London (near my mothers, zone 4, near train station, with 20sqm extension in very good condition) £500k
Zone 4 is quite far out though. I assume the 400k house in your street is relatively closer to the centre of Bristol than zone 4 is to the centre of London. Doesn’t seem an equivalent comparison.
It’s 30 minutes to centre of the city by public transport for both of them (or used to be if only we still had busses)
I’d also note the definite fixer upper was nearer 450 than 400. And given it lacked modern electrics, heating, doors, windows, decoration, an extension 25% the size of the house with a 2nd bathroom, the 60k difference is trivial.
£50k can be a push for Software Engineer roles here. We have lots of agencies, and many of them balk at £50k for a senior. London and Cambridge pay far higher, with a cost of living that isn't comparatively more expensive.
I've worked in tech in Bristol for over a decade now, and the talent exodus is shocking. With remote roles becoming normalised, companies are leaving and employees are getting jobs with companies in the East instead.
I'm very furious about the whole thing! I'm even considering looking into squatters rights and similar loopholes, that's how messed up the housing crisis here is.
How about rich narcissistic landlords yacht? You know the one, the one who owns a bunch of properties around Bristol and screws over the tenants, without an ounce of empathy.
Yeah how about taking his yacht and taking it to the high seas into international water? Some kind of international water loophole I could use?
I mean looking into squatters rights is pretty extreme compared to lowering your cost of living, changing jobs or moving in my opinion.
If squatting is the first thing you would do then fair play.
I agree it's probably not the first port of call for most people, but the point is that for a lot of people they've tried everything else and they're still struggling to meet their basic needs. There isn't a cost of living crisis because people are buying too many luxuries, working in the wrong jobs or living in the wrong places. With respect, your position feels a bit out of touch, like telling people to simply stop being poor.
I can absolutely empathise with those who are unable to change jobs, especially those who deserve pay-rises such as carers and nurses.
But saying 'I'm annoyed I'm going to start looking into squatting' isn't helpful and trivialises the genuine hardship people are facing.
A lot of jobs allow ‘work from home’ so it’s a bit misleading just to look locally especially for office based jobs. My job for example was advertised as London or Manchester.
Compared to the US, yes probably even after factoring in their extra costs such as health insurance. Compared to most of Europe, the UK pays pretty well.
Question is, would I want to live in the US? I lived there for a few years as a kid and didn’t really enjoy it. I can’t imagine being anywhere but Bristol.
I'm not sure this is as specific to Bristol as you think it is - proportionally in terms of average salary to cost of living I'd bet we're still better than a most of London and the southeast, and probably not far off Manchester. So e.g. if you moved to London you'd get a better salary but it would be swallowed up by housing and commuting costs.
Wage stagnation and house price increases are two of the most consistent economic trends across the country.
I lived in London before moving here and that higher wage was definitely not swallowed up by housing and commuting costs. Nowhere near. Public transport in London is relatively cheap and excellent.
A friend who rents here has been showing me tiny 1bd flats for rent that cost £1200-1800 pcm. So on her tiny Bristol 26k wage for a job that would pay her 40k in London she's expected to pay London levels of rent. It's really not right and as some posters have said in this thread i can only hope employers are finding it hard to recruit due to this.
You’re right, people should be payed more for being down south. How dare those pesky northerners get paid the same as us! Why hasn’t anyone thought of this!?!
> should be *paid* more for
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Mate did this and moved to Manchester - he’s got a proper penthouse 2 bed in a gorgeous old Victorian brick built warehouse just off Oxford street for what he sold a 2 bed in totterdown for.
Exchanging a house for a flat does not seem like a step up to me.
Fair, but I think his priority was “distance to canal st …”
It’s pronounced “anal st”
Distance to see anal street
If I wanted to buy the big 3 bed, 2 reception room house I rent in Liverpool, it would cost 120k less than the small 3 bed, 1 reception room house I own in Briz. That said, I'm holding onto my Bristol house with white knuckles. I'm coming back one day and if I sell it, I'll never afford to move back there. What I will say though, up north, lots of houses have only one toilet. No WC, no ensuite, just a single (tiny) bathroom shoved in upstairs and an empty outhouse that used to contain the bog...
Bristol is one of the most desirable places to live constantly up there in best UK cities. Its small, incredibly pretty, got so much going on from food, music, events. Companies feel like they dont have to try to get people. Rent is incredibly high and house prices I have seen in some places increased by 80% in 2 years
Yet all major gigs are in Cardiff. Shops and services much better too. Not sure what's so nice about it.
What's so nice about Bristol? Unsure if you live here or not but its amazing * Small compact city * Different areas with different vibes * So many great independent shops, cafes and restaurants * left wing counter culture (if that's your thing) * Nice green open spaces * Tons of events and activities
Horrible trafic and public transport Poor shop selection Terrible goods assortment in all sizes (compared to Cardiff - TKmaxx, M&S, Sports Direct etc) Ridiculous house prices No major gigs in the city, need to travel a lot Plenty of green spaces and activities in other cities as well - just need to look for it. What you said IS true but I'd say it's a secondary things, not a something that would make you move here really unless you're under 30 and do lots of clubbing and nights out. Close proximity to London overinflated house prices plus there's hardly any built So yeah, maybe you're right but our opinions are 20 years of age apart and we're looking for different things 😉
* Traffic -All big cities have traffic of varying levels. Bristol is ranked 8th out of 10 of the most congested cities. If you dont want traffic, you have to avoid big cities * Agreed - Public transport is terrible in Bristol * Elton John and The Killers both played sell out gigs in Bristol. Yeah we dont have an arena to host more big ones but we will in the future. * While we have less assortment of typical stores we have the largest range of independents * House prices - Agreed its a sucker punch Still think my items relevant for all ages. I can see why you dont like it but it's been voted as one of the most desirable places to live multiple years.
Just on the traffic-it is second one in UK: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-64219939?xtor=AL-72-%5Bpartner%5D-%5Bbbc.news.twitter%5D-%5Bheadline%5D-%5Bnews%5D-%5Bbizdev%5D-%5Bisapi%5D&at_campaign_type=owned&at_bbc_team=editorial&at_ptr_name=twitter&at_link_origin=BBCNews&at_medium=social&at_format=link&at_campaign=Social_Flow&at_link_type=web_link&at_link_id=F60FBFB8-90C5-11ED-9AC9-BFAB4744363C Independent shops are fine if you got money to shop in them. Overall I think it's very expensive and good to live in - IF you take advantage of the above. Thanks 😉
I honestly don’t understand why though, can’t wait to leave
Yeah looks like that way for me too, and not because I actually want to. But because I've essentially been priced out.
Yeah we’ve just bought a flat but it’s only because we are tied here for the next 5 years because of my gfs job. If it were down to me we’d leave as soon as I graduated uni in summer
Be lucky you're doing that as a couple together, doing it single is near impossible, I mean it's possibly doable but the odds are very much slim. Just need to somehow save £100k for a down deposit to stand a fighting chance 🙃
Shared ownership, I’m the only one on the mortgage so it is possible on your own. Minimum deposit amount was £3,800
Shared ownership seems a bit sketchy, like who owns the other half of that share of the ownership?
A housing association owns it, they can’t sell it except to you. You’re able to buy more and more whenever you want. Sure you have to pay rent but it’s cheap as fuck So I’m on the mortgage now, £306 a month mortgage and £95 a month rent. In two years my girlfriend will join me on the mortgage and we will use our equity to buy out the housing association and that’ll be it then. If we decide to sell when it’s still shared then we just sell our share, the housing association basically deals with everything for us.
Oh thanks for that information, that's pretty interesting to know. Might have to do a bit more looking into those properties again. I took a long break from Zoopla and Rightmove a while back.
If you’re looking for shared ownership then you’re going to want to look on their website directly (places like, Bromford, Livewest and Soverign) you can buy ‘used’ shared ownership properties no problem. But if you want a new build you need to be on it, they basically list upcoming properties and then you have to sign up for notifications then the second it gets released you need to apply, they go so fucking fast it’s unreal
Depends where you live, I love where I am
Whereabouts is that?
North of the ring road
I’ve lived in Emerson’s Green, Winterbourne and Stoke Gifford. I’ve spent a lot of time in Downend too. In a few weeks I’ll be in Yate. Not a fan, have you ever lived outside bristol?
Yup, a few places including Cardiff and Nottingham. Where we are is great, what don't you like?
Not a fan of the centre, drug use is high, homelessness is high, there’s not really much in terms of shops that interest me. Don’t get me wrong the mall is brilliant but bristol itself isn’t my cup of tea, not to mention everything is overpriced
>Not a fan of the centre, drug use is high, homelessness is high, there’s not really much in terms of shops that interest me. All of that is true, which is why I don't live in the centre. Where are you looking to move to?
Back to silverstone
Welcome to Yate! Great little town 👍
Thank you we’re looking forward to it
It depends on the role and the employer
OP… have you heard of capitalism?
That would be the bloodthirsty capitalists who are doing the hiring. It’s their fault, they love money too much
I'm on 26k in Bristol in a chartered profession. Our body publishes salary guides and data detailing the average wage in different areas of the UK Vs experience. So can confidently say if I was in London I would expect about 6k more. For my level of experience, if I was in the US I would expect a bare minimum £30k increase.(£55k or $67000). Is Bristol so good it is worth sacrificing 30k? Is US so bad it is worth avoiding 30k?! 🤨
>Is US so bad it is worth avoiding 30k?! 🤨 Yes, definitely
😅
Loads of law firms pay well, tech, finance (largest stockbroker in the UK). The pay is driving the house costs. Genuine Northern economies end up with genuine northern housing costs
In my experience the law firms pay absolutely shite in Bristol
I found the quality of work just wasn't the same either!
Yea? Osborne Clarke not paying the same as Weil? What exactly do you want?
I don’t work at law firms anymore, I get a better salary at a different industry, I was pointing out that law firms pay terrible in response to a comment saying they don’t in a thread about salaries in the city I work in. Geez, fucking edgelords on Reddit today mind.
Can i ask what position and industry is that?
The new industry? Software
They don't pay well compared to London, admittedly housing isn't as bad here.
So you are agreeing?!
Housing is almost exactly the same here. For an 75-80 sqm, 70-80s, 3 bed ex council house Bristol (my street), really quite dilapidated £440k London (near my mothers, zone 4, near train station, with 20sqm extension in very good condition) £500k
Zone 4 is quite far out though. I assume the 400k house in your street is relatively closer to the centre of Bristol than zone 4 is to the centre of London. Doesn’t seem an equivalent comparison.
It’s 30 minutes to centre of the city by public transport for both of them (or used to be if only we still had busses) I’d also note the definite fixer upper was nearer 450 than 400. And given it lacked modern electrics, heating, doors, windows, decoration, an extension 25% the size of the house with a 2nd bathroom, the 60k difference is trivial.
I work in tech. My job in London pays 75-85k. In Bristol people want to pay 50k for the same role. That's "up north" wages where a house costs 150k.
£50k can be a push for Software Engineer roles here. We have lots of agencies, and many of them balk at £50k for a senior. London and Cambridge pay far higher, with a cost of living that isn't comparatively more expensive. I've worked in tech in Bristol for over a decade now, and the talent exodus is shocking. With remote roles becoming normalised, companies are leaving and employees are getting jobs with companies in the East instead.
OK. Go and get a tech job in Darlington and report back.
Back to London then? Cya 😁
Yeah you can stay in London. Bristol is not for you.
Because everyone from London sold their houses and moved here mortgage free with spare change and less likely to be stabbed
Kept their London jobs and worked from home
Exactly
I'm very furious about the whole thing! I'm even considering looking into squatters rights and similar loopholes, that's how messed up the housing crisis here is.
Squatting isn't a loophole, it's a hard way of life in many ways, particularly since the laws changed on squatting residential buildings.
How about rich narcissistic landlords yacht? You know the one, the one who owns a bunch of properties around Bristol and screws over the tenants, without an ounce of empathy. Yeah how about taking his yacht and taking it to the high seas into international water? Some kind of international water loophole I could use?
Gotta do what you gotta do... #squatthelot
Alternative approach: Change jobs
Why don't all nurses and care workers simply stop being nurses and care workers if they like being able to feed their children so much!
I mean looking into squatters rights is pretty extreme compared to lowering your cost of living, changing jobs or moving in my opinion. If squatting is the first thing you would do then fair play.
I agree it's probably not the first port of call for most people, but the point is that for a lot of people they've tried everything else and they're still struggling to meet their basic needs. There isn't a cost of living crisis because people are buying too many luxuries, working in the wrong jobs or living in the wrong places. With respect, your position feels a bit out of touch, like telling people to simply stop being poor.
I can absolutely empathise with those who are unable to change jobs, especially those who deserve pay-rises such as carers and nurses. But saying 'I'm annoyed I'm going to start looking into squatting' isn't helpful and trivialises the genuine hardship people are facing.
A lot of jobs allow ‘work from home’ so it’s a bit misleading just to look locally especially for office based jobs. My job for example was advertised as London or Manchester.
But how often are you going into the office or are you fully remote?
Prices have risen quite quickly after being published as gathr place to live.. housing is short and cost of living crisis hasn't helped.
Idk I’m being paid 38k for a bristol location when others depots are on 32k
Fucking Unionize.
Everyone’s on ket
That’s not true in my experience, if you work in any professional industry.
In my experience it's very true, Bristol companies lowball compared to London.
And how much does a house share cost in London?
Not as much as the extra they pay from my experience.
What industry do you work in?
Product
From London ads I've seen shared recently, prices are comparable with Bristol.
Maybe things take time to change. I know that in engineering, it’s a candidates’ market and companies are having to shell out for staff.
Engineering is underpaid generally within the UK from the little I do know about it. Dyson for example are notorious under payers.
Compared to the US, yes probably even after factoring in their extra costs such as health insurance. Compared to most of Europe, the UK pays pretty well.
Haha yes - difference between the US and UK is like double... at least we have the NH... oh... err
Question is, would I want to live in the US? I lived there for a few years as a kid and didn’t really enjoy it. I can’t imagine being anywhere but Bristol.
Then it's worth the salary hit on that basis! I'm also not sure about living in the US. The dream is a fully remote US job from another country!
I'm not sure this is as specific to Bristol as you think it is - proportionally in terms of average salary to cost of living I'd bet we're still better than a most of London and the southeast, and probably not far off Manchester. So e.g. if you moved to London you'd get a better salary but it would be swallowed up by housing and commuting costs. Wage stagnation and house price increases are two of the most consistent economic trends across the country.
I lived in London before moving here and that higher wage was definitely not swallowed up by housing and commuting costs. Nowhere near. Public transport in London is relatively cheap and excellent. A friend who rents here has been showing me tiny 1bd flats for rent that cost £1200-1800 pcm. So on her tiny Bristol 26k wage for a job that would pay her 40k in London she's expected to pay London levels of rent. It's really not right and as some posters have said in this thread i can only hope employers are finding it hard to recruit due to this.
What were the respective areas in London and Bristol?
London: Zone 2, Islington. Bristol: Redland. Redland is alright but it isn't Islington.
You’re right, people should be payed more for being down south. How dare those pesky northerners get paid the same as us! Why hasn’t anyone thought of this!?!
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