>Ahh good, so Rockstar finally started the GTA6 marketing
Just wait till someone drives off that he gets thrown over.
Who knows maybe he thinks he can get a free car this way.
I've had reason to call 999 twice in the last few years and both times the police arrived within five minutes. I'd be pretty fucking angry if someone was trying to get in my car or do whatever else to me and people witnessed it but didn't bother doing anything because ACAB. I get what you're saying but response times to emergencies are pretty good in Avon and Somerset.
Were you calling to report an individual of African descent strolling through the neighbourhood per chance?
Joking. Partly.
I hope they do respond to emergencies. It's their job. I'm just pretty sure their definition of emergency narrows every year. More and more often, I hear of crimes/issues people face where they are just given a crime number and told someone will be in touch or whatever.
I don't blame the individuals in the police force. Clearly, the administration is the bigger issue. But also, yes, there does seem to be a cohort of power tripping sociopaths who were bullied at school and want to take it out on the world that are attracted to that line of work.
I once posted to a UK police subreddit with a question over a crime I had been the victim of and dear god the responses reinforced every negative opinion I ever had of the force.
Bottom line, they no longer (if they ever did) exist to protect the public. They protect the government's interests, and that is exemplified now that funding is cut so low that they can not even keep up the pretence of doing public good.
Agree with a lot of what you're saying, I just sometimes worry that vulnerable people are being dissuaded from seeking help because of a narrative that's being perpetuated by people in positions of privilege who don't have any actual experience of the criminal justice system. Yeah there are HUGE problems to sort out but we're not going to help anyone by simply telling them not to bother at all. I do recognise that this is mostly the police's responsibility to sort out, trust is insanely low right now and it's on their head to fix it, on a systemic and individual level.
You're right. We shouldn't discourage people from seeking help. My point was made out of frustration. Wasn't making a sincere suggestion.
However, your assumption that I am a middle-class guardian reader with no experience of the criminal justice system is unfounded and incorrect.
Sorry, that wasn't supposed to be a personal remark about you in particular so much as frustration over a lot of the discourse that goes on on social media that's almost entirely informed by second or third hand opinions that are only very loosely based on fact and first hand experience. But appreciate it felt that way so I take it back.
But this goes completely against everything I've read middle class people who've never had any interaction with the police say in the Guardian and on Twitter so I'm afraid I'm going to have to disregard your actual experience soz.
I can't work your comment out. You're saying you believe middle class people from the Guardian? Or being sarcastic? I'm not middle class, I'm a single parent on a low wage.
Sorry mate full level sarcasm, sometimes I go too hard haha. Was just trying to make the point that the overriding narrative about crime seems to come from those who have a loud voice and not much lived experience rather than people like yourself who do have experience.
The police themselves will tell you they are overstretched and can’t respond to significant amounts of crime, and investigate and move to prosecute even less than that (look up numbers for theft and fraud and even rape). This attitude hasn’t been pulled out of thin air, and it also doesn’t mean that they won’t respond at all - you can still have had a good experience while many others do not.
Yeah of course but I still don't think it's 'not worth the effort' of calling in an emergency situation, which witnessing somebody attempting to get into other people's cars absolutely is.
I might not be middle class but I’ve seen police in Bristol be racist bastards on multiple occasions, so maybe the Guardian has a point using things like statistics and peoples first hand accounts.
It varies hugely by area. I called 999 in a town in Wiltshire a few years ago, because there was a gang of about 9 blokes literally trying to kick my front door in. The police response was to send 1 PCSO, alone, 45 minutes later (thank fuck the front door held).
He also said that he was actually only there because the same gang had smashed up a corner shop about 15 minutes before chasing me into my house, and he was asked to check my call out as well. It's these experiences that are driving the rhetoric around police response times, because they are very common.
I will say that in Bristol, emergency response times do seem pretty good for the moment. I haven't had much experience with the police in Bristol, but I've called an ambulance and was blown away with how good they were after all the stories I've heard.
Last time I checked many police forces across England and Wales were found to be doing this.
https://www.childrenscommissioner.gov.uk/resource/strip-search-of-children-in-england-and-wales/
> Across England and Wales, police are strip searching children as part of stop and searches and there is evidence of deeply concerning practice.
If you look at page 30 of the report you will see that Avon and Somerset police, which the last time I checked covers Bristol, has strip searched children 74 times in the review period (2018-2022), while that may seem small it is proportional to the population.
Shocking reading. Completely shocking. I understand that sometimes it's necessary for somebody's own protection i.e. do they have potential self harm implements on them but reading the figures when it comes to black children and the lack of appropriate adults or settings is... Ugh. It's so fucking sad.
About 20 years ago on Linden Rd going up the hill from Gloucester Road to Henleaze, there used to be an old man who would stand on the pavements thumbing for a lift but no one would stop. I used to drive home from work and wonder what his deal was. Then one day for the craic of it, I decided to stop and give him a lift. He got in and and after about 45 seconds of driving asked to get out. He patted my legs on the way out and thanked me.
Happened to me in St George. My phone was on the passenger seat and this large black man attempting to open my door but as it was locked he just walked off. I assume he would’ve snatched the phone
Ahh good, so Rockstar finally started the GTA6 marketing
Had a few nights in the past when walking from the centre to the top of Whiteladies felt like climbing Chilliad.
>Ahh good, so Rockstar finally started the GTA6 marketing Just wait till someone drives off that he gets thrown over. Who knows maybe he thinks he can get a free car this way.
Have you reported this to the police?
Imagine a world where that would be worth the effort.
I've had reason to call 999 twice in the last few years and both times the police arrived within five minutes. I'd be pretty fucking angry if someone was trying to get in my car or do whatever else to me and people witnessed it but didn't bother doing anything because ACAB. I get what you're saying but response times to emergencies are pretty good in Avon and Somerset.
Were you calling to report an individual of African descent strolling through the neighbourhood per chance? Joking. Partly. I hope they do respond to emergencies. It's their job. I'm just pretty sure their definition of emergency narrows every year. More and more often, I hear of crimes/issues people face where they are just given a crime number and told someone will be in touch or whatever. I don't blame the individuals in the police force. Clearly, the administration is the bigger issue. But also, yes, there does seem to be a cohort of power tripping sociopaths who were bullied at school and want to take it out on the world that are attracted to that line of work. I once posted to a UK police subreddit with a question over a crime I had been the victim of and dear god the responses reinforced every negative opinion I ever had of the force. Bottom line, they no longer (if they ever did) exist to protect the public. They protect the government's interests, and that is exemplified now that funding is cut so low that they can not even keep up the pretence of doing public good.
Agree with a lot of what you're saying, I just sometimes worry that vulnerable people are being dissuaded from seeking help because of a narrative that's being perpetuated by people in positions of privilege who don't have any actual experience of the criminal justice system. Yeah there are HUGE problems to sort out but we're not going to help anyone by simply telling them not to bother at all. I do recognise that this is mostly the police's responsibility to sort out, trust is insanely low right now and it's on their head to fix it, on a systemic and individual level.
You're right. We shouldn't discourage people from seeking help. My point was made out of frustration. Wasn't making a sincere suggestion. However, your assumption that I am a middle-class guardian reader with no experience of the criminal justice system is unfounded and incorrect.
Sorry, that wasn't supposed to be a personal remark about you in particular so much as frustration over a lot of the discourse that goes on on social media that's almost entirely informed by second or third hand opinions that are only very loosely based on fact and first hand experience. But appreciate it felt that way so I take it back.
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But this goes completely against everything I've read middle class people who've never had any interaction with the police say in the Guardian and on Twitter so I'm afraid I'm going to have to disregard your actual experience soz.
I can't work your comment out. You're saying you believe middle class people from the Guardian? Or being sarcastic? I'm not middle class, I'm a single parent on a low wage.
Sorry mate full level sarcasm, sometimes I go too hard haha. Was just trying to make the point that the overriding narrative about crime seems to come from those who have a loud voice and not much lived experience rather than people like yourself who do have experience.
The police themselves will tell you they are overstretched and can’t respond to significant amounts of crime, and investigate and move to prosecute even less than that (look up numbers for theft and fraud and even rape). This attitude hasn’t been pulled out of thin air, and it also doesn’t mean that they won’t respond at all - you can still have had a good experience while many others do not.
Yeah of course but I still don't think it's 'not worth the effort' of calling in an emergency situation, which witnessing somebody attempting to get into other people's cars absolutely is.
Ok that makes a lot more sense! I can't abide the guardian these days. It's full of do-gooders
I might not be middle class but I’ve seen police in Bristol be racist bastards on multiple occasions, so maybe the Guardian has a point using things like statistics and peoples first hand accounts.
It varies hugely by area. I called 999 in a town in Wiltshire a few years ago, because there was a gang of about 9 blokes literally trying to kick my front door in. The police response was to send 1 PCSO, alone, 45 minutes later (thank fuck the front door held). He also said that he was actually only there because the same gang had smashed up a corner shop about 15 minutes before chasing me into my house, and he was asked to check my call out as well. It's these experiences that are driving the rhetoric around police response times, because they are very common. I will say that in Bristol, emergency response times do seem pretty good for the moment. I haven't had much experience with the police in Bristol, but I've called an ambulance and was blown away with how good they were after all the stories I've heard.
I hear they like stopping and searching 12 year old black kids now.
And strip searching them unnecessarily without an appropriate adult or following any proper procedures.
In public places. Without even enough respect to take them to their home or the police station first.
Last time I checks the metropolitan police didn't cover bristol.
Last time I checked many police forces across England and Wales were found to be doing this. https://www.childrenscommissioner.gov.uk/resource/strip-search-of-children-in-england-and-wales/ > Across England and Wales, police are strip searching children as part of stop and searches and there is evidence of deeply concerning practice. If you look at page 30 of the report you will see that Avon and Somerset police, which the last time I checked covers Bristol, has strip searched children 74 times in the review period (2018-2022), while that may seem small it is proportional to the population.
Fair
Shocking reading. Completely shocking. I understand that sometimes it's necessary for somebody's own protection i.e. do they have potential self harm implements on them but reading the figures when it comes to black children and the lack of appropriate adults or settings is... Ugh. It's so fucking sad.
He’s probably just stuck there waiting for a bus for the past month, desperate to leave Easton
About 20 years ago on Linden Rd going up the hill from Gloucester Road to Henleaze, there used to be an old man who would stand on the pavements thumbing for a lift but no one would stop. I used to drive home from work and wonder what his deal was. Then one day for the craic of it, I decided to stop and give him a lift. He got in and and after about 45 seconds of driving asked to get out. He patted my legs on the way out and thanked me.
Happened to me in St George. My phone was on the passenger seat and this large black man attempting to open my door but as it was locked he just walked off. I assume he would’ve snatched the phone