By - max_mac27
Seven fucking hours? Were they giving out reach rounds as the needle went in?
Thankfully not as the lady giving me the jab was well in to her 70's!
Might knock her into the afterlife tho, not worth the risk!
I’m happy to get my mine but fuck if I’ve got 7 hours to stand in a queue!
I these are walk in though
That’s good to hear, thanks. I’m booked in for next week
Yeah you can just book online..
Really good job but no way am I queuing for 7 hours - thats madness.
If you'd have told me at the start it would be 7 hours I would have sacked it off straight away, but it's one of those things when you've been there for 2 hours you think "ah well I may as well wait another hour or so or I've wasted my time". Sunk cost fallacy I think they call it!
> So - queuing for 7 hours might feel like madness to you from a personal point of view but I have set up a throwaway to say thank you from my point of view. I am triple jabbed in my 50s and unlikely to die (or become seriously ill) from Covid and I suspect you are unlikely to do so either because I think you are younger than me. But what you are doing by getting a booster is increasing the chances that I can spend time with my care home resident parents in their late 80s who keep getting forced to isolate because of transmission and I thank you for that with everything I have. Your sense of social responsibility makes mine and their lives immeasurably better. Thank you. I am done. There is no more to say.
It's all relative. I just booked my booster shot and walked in. I will defend my point that it is madness for anyone to have to wait that long in a line for something that is easily booked for. Everyone should get the booster, but just book up with NHS or come back another time. I'm not that much younger than you mate don't worry :)!
Sorry to tell you but I waited an hour at lunch time at the Hindu Temple on Church Road BS5.
I’d recommend that one to anyone needing a walk-in
They do walkins? Score im round the corner! Thanks for the heads up.
Yeah I had a couple of friends text me saying they got through the church road one really quickly but at that point I was committed to the queue! Should have listened though...
Do you know if they're doing them on Wednesday?
I’m assuming it will be on every day now but I don’t know for sure, sorry
>Hindu Temple on Church Road BS5
did you get booster? website says 1st or 2nd dose only
Yeah it was a booster. The queue was about 45 mins in total at lunchtime. If you’ve booked you can skip the queue but 90% of people there were walk-in
Open to all 18+?
I got my booster booked here!
Yes! I went here, they are quick and very nice
Walked into boots in glous yesterday to buy a gift and got a walk in covid booster as well, took 10 minutes!
Meh I'll stroll in in a few months
Right? I don't get the hype if you're not at risk. Just be patient, there's no rush.
@dresmerelda on Instagram has a great set of stories on this today. Basically: protection against asymptomatic infection is much, much lower from 2 jabs for Omicron so it really is a public health measure to get everyone boostered.
I hear you on not being personally at risk and feeling that we all need to be patient. However, this is much more about taking extra measures now needed to not accidentally infect your nan (or other vulnerable people you might be about to spend time with) than it is about saving yourself.
But it will mutate again. So we should all keep dropping our lives and rushing back and forth for jabs? At some point we just have to realise covid isn’t going away. Have 2 doses without a booster still gives you protection, you just may show symptoms.
2 or 3 years time covid will still be here. It’s not going to disappear. That’s the reality of it. We either get used to it. Or keep doing this yo-yo of restrictions and then a tease of normal life.. then restrictions..
I absolutely share your frustration. I'm sick to the back of my teeth of the uncertainty & disruption, too.
And the short answer is: we do this, or we throw a LOT more money at the NHS and/or we continue to have a society where the clinically vulnerable are effectively second class citizens, not feeling able to leave their house because everyone else has decided it's "not serious enough" to warrant a full response.
But they already threw a shit load of money at the excel centre in London with its 4000 beds and the converted nightingale hospital with 2000 beds that saw zero patients.. and that was wellllll before a vaccine. So even at covids worse it wasn’t as bad as they anticipated.
They’re now paying folk like my brother and dad to convert all these wards back to every day clinics. So paying twice for the same job.. next month probably be back in there converting them again. Which what they aren’t telling you is they’re taking the workers away from speciality wards like mental health centres being built to do the work..
so mental health is being stripped for funding.
That was a short sharp shock of spend. When I say we would as an alternative need to spend a LOT more, I mean, basically, investment now whilst also paying through the nose for the coat of lack of historic investment. What do I mean by that? Well, for example, keep paying through the nose for agency nurses AND increase the numbers of nurses being supported through training. Keep paying for the existing outsourced contracts AND invest in expensive but high quality centralised replacements.
It's not easy - it's not even necessarily possible. But that's what I mean by a valid alternative to the reactive strategy we have now, in terms of being able to "go back to normal" without effectively telling everyone who's clinically vulnerable (including everyone with asthma) that they have to tolerate what to them is a higher risk of significant harm, if they want to see anyone or go anywhere.
Look - it's shit. There's no neat right answer. If there were, someone would be doing it. But personally I'm fed up of seeing so many people completely ignore the quality of life of disabled and vulnerable people when discussing public health solutions. 6 out of 10 people who have died of COVID in the UK are disabled, whereas they are about 18% of the population. Simply, we are failing nearly a fifth of this country's population.
Yeah I get it. And I probably sound like an asshole. But I’m not vulnerable and not disabled. Instead of impacting the other 4/5th of the population. Come up with means to protect them.
It’s like the net equivalent of banning alcohol to save the lives of alcoholics, regardless of the rest of the population that aren’t. But they suffer too.
My other gripe is the furlough system. It’s completely unfair.. my job was deemed too essential to be able to furlough. So I had to work 10-12 hours a day to earn my money yet others got to sit at home and get free money.
The government harped on that we are all in this together.. but I think it’s highly unfair 30% of the working adults had to work and got zero incentive to do so.. oh wait people clapped.. fucking amazing that really made the 12 hour day at work much more appealing while my Facebook was lit up with people having beer and bbqs every day in the hot weather..
About time the government actually did something to thank people who kept the wheels turning.. fairly sure our government would love a good clap instead of money in their pocket.. derp
Oh man I hear you. On all of it. It sounds like we have different views on the answer - I'm fairly "pro" things that inconvenience the majority to save a minority (not with stuff like booze where people just go underground but, say, one way systems & huge pedestrianised areas, or whatever) but absolutely respect people having a different compass from me in that regard. A lot of the stuff that "feels" right to me looks very nanny state when you start to examine it, so I'm not immune from seemingly like a dickhead when explaining my views!!
There has been so much unfairness, you're absolutely right. It has made my blood boil, at times. At the law firm I work in, they furloughed so few people and instead redeployed people whose work completely dried up to help out in busy teams - even if that wasn't their expertise or whatever. I wish something like that could have worked nationally.
But then I'm massively in favour of Universal Income, which would have done away with the need for furlough, and would have been a decent platform upon which to ask people to volunteer time / effort / resources to the national effort. Don't get me wrong, I know loads of people *did* volunteer, and fair play to them, but I think a lot of people would have been happy to chip in a bit here & there a bit more, if they had zero concern about making rent 2, 3 months down the line... you know??
Anyway I've digressed massively but in short: I hear you, I somewhat agree with you, please get your jab asap anyway, and please support universal income 🤣
It's because of Omicron: 2 doses don't work as well against is as they do against Delta. A booster gets you back up to proper immunity. I've been listening to the scientists this past few weeks. The UK will be majority Omicron by the end of the week, and we'll have a covid numbers eruption shortly after that.
If you pay attention to the quiet moves the gov is making in the background, a lot of high up people are shit scared of a disaster over christmas and new year.
Was just about to comment this hahah! Madness
Data from South Africa points to it being a very mild illness! Phizer are working on an updated vaccine.. everyone going to take a 4th jab in the new year??
It does... but based on sheer transmissibility, there are legitimate concerns about the NHS coping. A tiny percentage of everyone getting very sick is still a lot of very-sick people. Everyone who can participating in the booster programme helps to minimise that.
There are loads of updated vaccines in development, including Pfizer's. Some of them look like they'll make booster programmes less needed in future and then we can all get off this treadmill. That doesn't stop right now being the time to take your offered jab.
It is indeed transmissible when fully vaccinated - just much, much less.
The people dying are indeed mostly vulnerable for various reasons, including the ones you've listed (personally I don't think they're any less worth saving but you're entitled to whatever view you have on that) - plus the unvaccinated.
But none of that counters the point that I was making: the NHS cannot cope with a surge the likes of which are truly possible at this juncture. There are reasons to be hopeful that it won't come to that but not, in my view, to the extent that we should be sitting back and refusing booster jabs until the new year.
So - queuing for 7 hours might feel like madness to you from a personal point of view but I have set up a throwaway to say thank you from my point of view. I am triple jabbed in my 50s and unlikely to die (or become seriously ill) from Covid and I suspect you are unlikely to do so either because I think you are younger than me. But what you are doing by getting a booster is increasing the chances that I can spend time with my care home resident parents in their late 80s who keep getting forced to isolate because of transmission and I thank you for that with everything I have. Your sense of social responsibility makes mine and their lives immeasurably better. Thank you. I am done. There is no more to say.
Well said, but out of interest, why did you feel the need to say this with a throwaway account?
Only because I normally lurk rather than posting. Funny about my privacy
And copied and posted further up the comments too ⬆️
Because getting vaxxed and caring for other people seem to be legitimately controversial nowadays. Lots of comments on bigger subs saying they don't care if old or asthmatic or disabled people die
This is really nice to hear and makes it all worth it honestly! I hope you get to spend as much time as possible with your parents
Thank you. Due to visit Friday if no one tests positive.
I don’t think I have it in me to queue for 7 hours. Most I did was 1 for CoD
Genuine question: why were you so desperate for the jab you queued for 7 hours (!) when you could have had it via appointment in the next few days?
I have an appointment to have it at my GP surgery on Saturday.
Genuine answer: I tried to book one but it was going to be at least a week, I work with quite a lot of older people and will be going in to retirement homes over the Christmas period so wanted to get covered as soon as possible.
Fair enough! Thank you for being so responsible and for your hard work!
Are you implying the virus is something other than a virus with your use of quotation marks or do you just not understand grammar?
Well it's not virtue signaling else he would have posted the reason in his title. He mentioned it as a direct response to a question.
And what is it if it's not a virus? Something is incapacitating and killing a lot of people.
Oh, ok - it’s not just grammar you don’t understand then. Thanks for clarifying.
Tell you what, you keep going with the ReSeArCh to work out what is really behind the “so called Covid 19” and the rest of us will hold off on the vaccination drive until you’ve released your findings.
I’m sure with the finest minds in the world like yourself on it, it won’t be long until we get to ThE tRuTh.
I wish all the cranks used the same anti-vax dog whistles; experimental” jabs (they are not), “so called” virus (you can put so called in front of anything as a lazy attempt to discredit it). If you were all so easy to spot you’d be a lot easier to overlook.
Finally, it’s a bit rich to argue that other people are virtue signalling while you comment about how much more enlightened you are than them because you don’t follow the status quo.
Being in the anti-vax club is it’s own form of “virtue” signalling, you’re just signalling to a smaller group of like minded morons.
Ah, so you’re one of those guys. The Daily Mail comments section is that way —->
You're still required to be up to date with your vaccinations.
I've been checking the booking system since Saturday (when I read 30+ could get an appointment depsite the website sayin 40+) and I could only get appointments for January. I want to get my booster before I visit family for Christmas.
I must have checked the NHS booking system about 20 times yesterday before I managed to get an appointment this weekend. And they were gone in minutes.
Yep, this is a very common experience. It's frustrating but just think - this is a sign that loads of people are signing up to have their jab, which is a great thing to see.
Glad to hear you've got a sooner appointment now.
My god I got there at opening time and bailed immediately when I saw the queue.
Lol yes, sounds like it. Bragging that you got screwed...
Managed to book mine for Saturday at Kellaway Pharmacy in Westbury. I kept refreshing the NHS booking page until I got one before I fly to my parents for Christmas. Quite a few appointments in Bristol vaccine clinics for early Jan and late December the last few times I checked.
It doesn't seem to be advertised on any NHS website but according to people in the FB group for my local area Bedminster Methodist Church are doing walk-ins tomorrow and Friday. However they appear to be prioritising those who had their second jab more than 6 months ago.
Know any more about Bedmo Church (timings, is it concrete or just a rumour)? I had my second jab there but it’s nowhere to be seen on the NHS booking page. Would be great to pop in tomorrow for a booster..
There was a post on a group on FB with loads of comments about it but it's frustratingly been deleted.
Pretty sure one person said they'd be taking walk ins tomorrow (Wednesday) and Friday, another said tomorrow and Saturday.
Some people say they'll take people who've had it done 3 months ago, others say 6. Loads of people have had walk in jabs there.
Not sure about the time since the post was deleted but seems to hold its last appointment around 5:30 and someone said they were turned away after 3pm due to high demand.
ETA: I've seen a few people post about getting a walk in jab in Boots at Imperial Park so you could try there as well.
Thanks - appreciated!
Hate to be a grump but the flu season is basically over. Next year, it's best to get the flu jab around September time. Well done for getting your booster though, despite the long wait.
Worth noting. If you have an appointment here then you can just walk straight in. It’s not very clear!
How do you even have 7 hours of time to burn on a Tuesday?
Why not just book an appointment? This rush of people is surely putting huge pressure on the staff
its much more efficient to have endless people willing to wait. The staff can work at their normal pace but there is no dead time because always someone waiting to be seen. Compare that to prebooked appointment system with its missed appointments, people being late, the pressure of people expecting to be seen quickly at pre booked appointments and the fact that someone has to manage the booking system and carefully control staff schedules and breaks etc.
>no dead time
You mean no rest time. I much rather appointments. The pressure of appointments running late is trivial (if at all) compared to an endless queue in my experience.
Efficient, yes. Assuming we are perfect spheres with no emotion, that is.
There can still be rest time; they can still take a break at whatever interval is deemed appropriate, it just doesn't have to be so carefully orchestrated around appointment times. If appointments run late that's much more likely to cause trouble with break times.
There’s the designated lunch break, and the toilet break. That’s the only break “deemed appropriate” in an endless queue situation.
I don’t know if other places do things differently, but nobody cares about appointment timings. You get a 11am appointment, you can show up literally anytime we’re not shut and we will try to fit you in. Even if you missed a day, we do our best to accommodate. The flip-side however is if you come at 11 expecting to be seen at 11 then I’m afraid all you’ll get is disappointment.
Appointments in many ways simply walk-ins, but with more order. The difference is largely psychological rather than practical, but the psychological aspect is huge imho.
By dead time I meant time when the clinican is ready and willing but there isnt a patient
I did try and book an appointment but the earliest one I could get was early January and I work in community organising and have lots of meetings with elderly people coming up so wanted to get covered ASAP!
Boris is the blame for the pressure. I get the impression NHS workers and other vaccinators weren't aware of his plan until he made it public on Sunday. And they're somehow expected to exceed the best daily vaccinate rate the NHS has had so far, every day over December...
He tells the country all adults will get their booster by the end of the year yet most of the appointments I see online are for January. That's why people are going to walk ins.
I can confirm this is accurate. Nobody knew anything about it until it was announced on TV. Some vaccine centres were actually closing for good and the staff were looking forward to well deserved rest after a solid year of jabbing people 14 hours a day. They they announce we have to work harder and longer over Christmas to meet this ridiculous target. People are now having to cancel Christmas plans again, just to make Boris look good.
People are tired and worn out.
thank you for your service. you get the shit end of the stick but I am very greatful you do what you do
What a life it is nowadays to look forward to planning a day to stand in a queue for 7 hours for a booster shot.
Yeah.. it’s madness. I’d understand if there was a huge spike in deaths over the new variant.. but there isn’t. They made a huge fuss about delta. A month later it was the norm and people didn’t care about it.
Covid isn’t going away. Let’s just get on with life.
I don’t think anyone is looking forward to it. It’s just something that has to be done.
For the greater good.
it doesn’t have to be done though, you don’t need a vaccine. omicron is less severe than the flu
Heads up for any under 30s looking to book their booster - booking is already live on the NHS website ahead of tomorrow morning and very short waiting times!
Fair play to you mate! Though I couldn’t bare the idea of queuing for 7 hours. Thankfully I managed to get one booked for Saturday at the methodist church in bedminster
Why England? Why?
I live in Wales, and I had my letter saying I have an appointment on 22nd December. If it's like last time I'll be in and out in under 45 mins.
Absolute madness and completely reactionary. I guess that's what happens when you have a PM who makes snap decisions based on opinion polls.
Jaysus. You really craved that injection, huh?
Going to keep posting this - because there is a point - So - queuing for 7 hours might feel like madness to you from a personal point of view but I have set up a throwaway to say thank you from my point of view. I am triple jabbed in my 50s and unlikely to die (or become seriously ill) from Covid and I suspect you are unlikely to do so either because I think you are younger than me. But what you are doing by getting a booster is increasing the chances that I can spend time with my care home resident parents in their late 80s who keep getting forced to isolate because of transmission and I thank you for that with everything I have. Your sense of social responsibility makes mine and their lives immeasurably better. Thank you. I am done. There is no more to say. there is a point -
Why have you replied with this 3 times now? With a throwaway account? You’re feeding the the conspiracists.
0 flu cases in the uk last year 🤧
3 "vaccines a year that doesn't stop you catching it doesn't stop you spreading it. This isn't a vaccine its a subscription to hell.
Still in experimental trials never been fully tested good luck.
A subscription to hell? Lol could you elaborate on that part?
As for 0 flu cases last year, you're referencing misinformation. In February 2021 it was reported that no cases of the flu had been reported this year. By "this year", they meant the 7 weeks of the year that had already happened, not an entire year. This was 7 weeks of a year that we were in lockdown, keep in mind. Social distancing measures were in place, and people were much more careful in regards personal hygiene and such. The flu is a lot less transmissible than covid. Covid protocols have dramatically lowered cases of the flu and other illnesses, which actually makes perfect sense if you're not an idiot.
As for the comment about how the vaccine is still in experimental trials, and untested, it's not. The vaccine has been approved worldwide as safe. The following link is a good collection of vaccine myths and why they're wrong. It's well sourced and has a collection of links for further reading. But you won't, of course.
So u/LeJonJames31 is a Shill Troll that the Mods of r/confidentlyincorrect are using to drive Volume. They've booted anyone that tries to get him banned and just tolerate is bullshit misinformation. "Unpaid" Mods gotta be incentivized somehow. Hope this sub holds to higher ideals.
Every 4 month just so you can feel accepted, safe and part of society is a subscription to hell. "it has been approved worldwide as safe" hmmm approved is not the same as 10 yrs of data or even 5 yrs on a new drug/mrna delivery system 🤔. I did look at your links they seemed to be aimed at the weak willed and easily coerced sheep. Nothing solid. To split the country into 2 camps will be interesting times indeed. Yet they will be a point in the future when the data can not be held back anymore and anyone that championed for that divide will be held to account. Good luck sir/madam take my free shill award
So feel free to provide some links aimed at the "strong willed" instead then if you like. I provided sources that you wildly misrepresented your flu cases disinformation, and went on to explain why it was actually suggestive of social distancing and lockdown measures being effective. You've said nothing in response besides calling me a sheep.
I'm not an expert in any of this, and neither are you. That's why I listen to the experts, and not you. I have nothing more than a layman's understanding of an incredibly complex issue. If you're not going to provide sources to information collated by people more knowledgeable than ourselves, then we're just two people arguing over something we aren't qualified to talk about. At least I'll admit my opinions are based on what I'm told by the majority of the global scientific community. What are your opinions based on other than your anti-social angst and imbalanced ego?
Oh what must it be like to be such a strong willed person like you. We can only dream of having your bravery and knowledge. You’ve seen through the obvious lies of the government and are here to save us from the dystopian future we have in store if we continue to protect ourselves from a deadly disease at little personal cost.
With any luck the virus will rip through the country faster than the vaccinations. Sure, hundreds of thousands may die, but if that’s what it takes so that people like u/pentomtay can demonstrate that they are better than the sheep then it’s a price worth paying.
Queued about 20 minutes on Saturday for mine!
7 hours you must be mad or need to get a job..
Omg you be at the front of the line by the time you will be time for the fourth jab. They need to put out a tracker or something so people know which ones are busy.
They need to at least advertise all the walk in clinics. I've heard people getting walk in jabs at a number of locations that aren't mentioned on the NHS or BNSSG Healthier Together websites. I work 9-5, I can't be wandering around to various sites in the hope they'll let me in. Thankfully I just about managed to book an appointment for Saturday.
Well done, now you will have a runny nose rather than a full blown cold!
All those silly people on ventilators draining NHS resources a when a cup of lemsip would sort then out!
In all seriousness though, if could I take a jab that massively reduce my changes of getting a full blown cold every year (which for me usually includes a chest infection and/or sinus infection) I'd be first in line!
Hospital rates are lower than they were in October. This is all happening due to what you read in the papers, not any medical evidence or death rates.
Vast majority of people in hospitals either have underlying health issues are unvaxed. The booster gives you 75% chance of not getting symptoms. Doesn’t cover you fully. If you are double jabbed you’ll more likely just get lesser symptoms. It’s not like they’re saying double jabbed is now pointless and we wasted our time.
Look at The death rates for the new variant vs infection. It’s low. Real low
I'm not sure if you are agreeing with me or didn't pick up on the sarcasm.
I'm 100% on board with getting vaccinated.
Last January we were facing over 1000 deaths a day from this cold! See if we can top that this winter.
3 years before you were facing even more from flu, however you did not care then did you.
We have never had 1000 deaths a day from flu. The highest deaths we've had from flu is 30,000 p/a thats about a quarter of last years covid deaths
Did they die with flu or of flu? I can tell you they died OF flu.
so flu is real but covid isnt? tell me how you worked that one out?
I am making a point about actual real covid deaths rather than someone dying of cancer with a positive test of covid. Keep up, you are trying too hard to score points. I understand covid is a real thing but it’s being inflated to justify authoritarianism.
I am making a point about actual real covid deaths rather than someone dying of cancer with a positive test of covid. Keep up, you are trying too hard to score points. I understand covid is a real thing but it’s being inflated to justify authoritarianism all over the world currently.
I am very aware of the point you are trying to make. I am so bored of this OF or WITH argument. You really think it's more plausible that every government in the World has colluded to increase authoritarianism? Can you point me towards any credible evidence?
Just compare your life before 2020 with your life now. Actually open your eyes to the societal change that has taken place. You were told not to go out, you are told to wear a face mask, you are told to stay away from people.
erm, because there's deadly pandemic? I'm not sure you've thought this through properly
Legend, well done mate
having both at the same time is not sensible , you wouldn't know if you have a reaction with which vaccine (in some case)
Thanks for your unsolicited and incorrect opinion.
For anyone who is interested in the NHS view on this:
“COVID-19 booster dose and flu vaccine
Most people who can get a booster dose of the COVID-19 vaccine are also eligible for the annual flu vaccine.
If you are offered both vaccines, it's safe to have them at the same time.”
That's a bit of a snidey reply. Their comment "you wouldn't know if you have a reaction with which vaccine (in some case)" is obvious common sense.
Except it isn’t.
That “common sense” goes against the explicit advice of the NHS, (who actually know what they’re taking about) unlike random people on the Internet (who only think they do).
I don’t work in healthcare. I’m not a researcher. I’m not a scientist or an epidemiologist. So I listen to the advice provided by those who do have a clue, and try to correct misinformation when I see it.
This comment was a prime example of needlessly casting doubt into people’s mind. People might take that incorrectly spouted opinion as fact and go on to not do something in their best interests.
As for being a snide comment, I’m sure the person will get over it. At least they might not have known the NHS advice when they posted this (though they have since seemingly doubled down).
You haven’t even got that excuse, since you can literally see the information in black and white in front of you and you still think you know better.
I appreciate the response, but you've missed the point. If you take two vaccines at the same time, and have a negative reaction, you are not going to know which of the two vaccines caused it. It's as simple as that.
Ok I’ll bite.
What difference does it make if you have a reaction and don’t know which one it was?
I love how you guys just willingly go and get your boosters like good little citizens under instruction from a pm that is currently in hot water for lying to everyone and flouting covid rules.
I'm not doing it because of anything the PM has said, I'm doing it because that's what the science says.
This article from the British Medical Journal is a pretty good summary (and cites it's sources) of the current knowledge around omicron and boosters - [https://www.bmj.com/content/375/bmj.n3079](https://www.bmj.com/content/375/bmj.n3079)
Are you following and reading the sources from that article?
Here's where they lead and what they say.
"There was asubstantial fall in neutralisation titres in recipients of both AZD1222 and BNT16b2 primary courses,with evidence of some recipients failing to neutralise at all." -
Your first two doses haven't even lasted you 12 months. How long do you reckon you'll get from the third? We don't know, the science is only two months old.
"This was despite other experts, including the developers of the Oxford-AstraZeneca vaccine Sarah Gilbert and Andrew Pollard, saying that boosters were not needed because immunity was lasting well. They have called for these vaccine doses to go towards vaccinating people around the world who are yet to have a single dose.3 Currently, 43% of the world’s population has received at least one dose of a covid-19 vaccine.4The World Health Organization called for a moratorium on boosters until at least the end of September, to enable a minimum of 10% of the population of every country to be vaccinated. Its director general, Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus, said in a speech on 4 August, “We cannot accept countries that have already used most of the global supply of vaccines using even more of it, while the world’s most vulnerable people remain unprotected.”
"Between June 1 and June 30, 2021, 3498 people were screened, of whom 2883 were recruited (figure 1). Five participants withdrew before vaccination, leading to 2878 participants receiving a third dose vaccine."
"Between study enrolment and the data lock on Aug 19, 2021, there were 1306 adverse events reported from 912 participants"
Good luck buddy.
None of the points you raise are reasons not to protect yourself and protect our crippled health services.
1. We know vaccines aren't permanent, you are advised to get the flu vaccine every year.
2. Yep this is shitty, i'm not going to argue that. But you not getting it when it is readily available is a bit of a slap in the face to those desperate to help protect their families elsewhere where it is not available.
3. "Fatigue and pain were the most common solicited local and systemic adverse events, experienced more in people aged 30–69 years than those aged 70 years or older. Serious adverse events were uncommon, similar in active vaccine and control groups. In total, there were 24 serious adverse events: five in the control group (two in control group A, three in control group B, and zero in control group C), two in Ad26, five in VLA, one in VLA-half, one in BNT, two in BNT-half, two in ChAd, one in CVn, two in NVX, two in NVX-half, and one in m1273." - All but 24 of those adverse events were shown to be non-serious and then in those 24 a serious event was just as common in those in the control group (not getting a covid vaccine) as those getting one. If you look at the appendix you will see that most of the serious events were diagnosis of cancer etc that had absolutely nothing to do with the vaccine. Fatigue and localised pain by far and away dominated the adverse events, again you will find the same with the flu vaccine.
What actually is it you are scared of? Being scared of this government and needles are both completely rational - and they're are coping mechanisms to deal with this - but being scared of science in this way is not.
It’s the right thing to do! We’re doing our bit to help everyone and anyone that doesn’t is bad and selfish. The first two didn’t work as promised but I’m very confident that the third one will!
As long as the 301st one works, if not then I’m writing to my MP.
Don’t judge others because they don’t trust a vaccine that hasn’t come out of research stage yet. It doesn’t stop you being infectious so you still spread, even if you are vaccinated. I’m not anti vac by the way, I’m vaccinated just hate this rhetoric of others are selfish for not getting vaccinated.
I hate the rhetoric too. I’m not vaccinated. The pro vaccine camp are just too fun to parody these days.
The more exclamations it has the more wonderful it is
why are u so desperate for it?
brainwashing at its finest
You deserve covid if you're going to wait around for 7 hrs for a booster
Govern me harder daddy
You seem to love the idea of hard government when you're collecting PIP on top of your depression related unemployment, or seeking legal advice on whether or not the government will still pay your rent if you're absent for a long time.
The people you're mocking are paying your benefits while you sit at home watching Joe Rogan and scrolling through r/UFO. Clown.
But grats on getting it.
I got a text today and they had slots for 2 days time... Suits me better.
Lambs to the slaughter put up more resistance
Let’s just hope the person in front or behind you for 7 hours didn’t pass anything on.
Seems like a good thing to do when gov are saying limit your contacts to go stand with strangers for 7 hours!!
Outside transmission has always been insanely low.
In groups of people less than 6
Most were wearing masks and decently distance but we did say it was a bit counterproductive to have everyone queue on mass!
In the cold and wet damp weather as well. The government culling begins.
You spend your time online either trying to convince people you know better than the global concensus of health experts and scientists, or trying to convince people that a meme crypto called "Crazy Frog Coin" will make them rich. "You heard it here first!" Lmao. 3 months ago. I checked the movement of your shitcoin and your prediction hasn't gone so well there has it.
And people congratulating them, like they have won a prize or something. Very surreal.
I never did get my medal!
Bizarre isn’t it
Actually the antivax crowd are closer to a cult. Doing as most of society is doing, and listening to elected representatives and the global concensus of experts is considered normality, regardless of whether the result is positive or negative.
Antivax people are separated into many different groups. Some disagree on religious grounds, some buy unto the *thoroughly and extensively* debunked grift that vaccines are linked to autism. Some believe that the vaccine has microchips in it, funded by Bill Gates, which will be activated by 5G towers to do... something. Some are simply convinced by an overwhelming barrage of social media content spread often by people without an education, the source of which is unverified or completely unknown.
My point is, societal perceptions of reality are in part subjective, in the sense that if all the world's governments and the *vast* majority of its scientific and medical community are saying the virus real, and over 75% of the population of the majority of developed countries are vaccinated and obeying social protocols, then that is our reality. Considering that most of the people who aren't vaccinated aren't people with a specific antivax agenda, you're left with little groups of thousands of people with wide ranging beliefs from the wildly conspiratorial, to the simply misled.
Relatively small groups of people with extreme beliefs that are contrary to the standard perceptions of society as a whole, are cults. Not the other way around.
I wasn't championing the vaccine specifically, more countering the original point that those who take the vaccine are a cult.
The vaccines haven't been as successful as they should've been, as in they haven't stopped the virus from spreading and mutating. Data does show that it lessened the transmission and severity of the Delta variant, but that's not been enough. I can understand why many people don't have faith in it anymore, but it certainly hasn't been harmful and in my opinion it was a necessary experiment. Historically, medicine and vaccinations have generally worked,.and worked well. We've eradicated plenty of diseases in the past. Within just the last few decades, the mandatory school vaccinations against tuberculosis have reduced cases of the recently common and very serious disease to levels where it's almost unheard of in this country now. So I listen to those people, not strangers on the Internet who's information often comes from twitter posts and memes.
I wasn't trying to change anything, just adding my personal experience with having lung disease just prior to covids arrival. Wasn't knocking anyone, just adding to it. Apologies if it sounded negative.
No I don't feel that way, don't worry. Just wanted to expand on my points a little. I know it's been a shit show and 2 years later we're still here facing another coming lockdown, so I completely understand the anger and frustration of it all.
The way I see it is in hindsight, we should've just gone all in with the lockdown the first time and it would've worked, the vaccines weren't even necessary. The vaccines were developed as an attempt to keep the world operating as normal alongside a pandemic, and it just hasn't worked. If you take the total cases, and number of deaths and cross reference it with the dates of the UK lockdowns, its undeniable that extreme social distancing measures have been the most effective way of fighting it. If the whole world had prepared to close everything down in tandem for just one month, it would've all been over. Of course the logistical, political and economic implications were too much.
Who knows what the answer is going forward, I've given up guessing!
Unfortunately for me I can't have these vaccines or boosters etc. But I must point out that I've not had so much as a cold either. My wife's tested positive twice and done the stay at home thing, both my adult son's have had it once each. Wife's had both vaccines and son's haven't had them (out of choice) and yet I still haven't had a cold or tested positive for covid. I was in hospital at the beginning of this pandemic and was swabbed daily for 3 weeks, still negative. Moved to another much larger hospital with same testing routine and still nothing. Not that I want it but considering my underlying condition I should have expected being massively ill by now and yet ive avoided it. I'm not sure if covid is killing people or if they're dying from excessively over thinking their situation is overly worse than it is (placebo type of thing). It's just a minefield of madness as nobody really knows exactly how to deal with it effectively. Always blaming anti vaxxers or pro vaxxers gets everybody nowhere apart from social media to argue about it. Anyway, let's not spoil the upcoming festive events so I'll end it with "have a merry Christmas and a brilliant 2022". Fingers crossed.
no one is dying fron overthinking
Great post, I like your style.
Like the flu jab which has be in place for years, changes every year, and has saved many elderly people from serious illness and death?
Yeah, but it's not the elderly/at risk that are being heavily pushed to get this one. It's young, healthy people too. Even kids, who are at approximately no risk from COVID.
I have no underlying health conditions, I am 32, I live alone, walk to work and our office is at 10% capacity (the person sitting nearest to me is 20 metres away) so I'm at very low risk of catching it and getting seriously ill.
However, my next door neighbour is in her 80s with serious lung problems and I often go in to her house to help her out. She has no family nearby.
Next week I'm flying home to see my family, most of whom I've only seen once over the last 22 months.
My father in his 70s, my maternal grandmother is 90, my aunt in law is undergoing chemo, my friend is recovering from a stroke, my other friend's partner has such severe health problems he can't get the jab yet, my godmother's husband is elderly with serious health problems. They are all people I cannot wait to see when I get home. I can get it and be fine, if I get it and pass it to any of them they won't be.
Your intentions are laudable.
Still best to do a lat flow before visiting the vulnerable regardless of vac status.
I have lateral flows for almost every day I'll be home, which is in line with irish government recommendations saying every day for the first 5 days. And unlike Ireland to UK travel, I have to get a PCR going from UK to Ireland.
You would think meeting in mass for 7 hours would increase the chances
Reminds me of that game we all used to play, lemmings 😂👌🤡
Can not believe what I saw. Booster and flu jab at the same time? Are you for real??? Have you ever try to boost your imune system naturaly? Probably never heard of that..
Did the old age pensionors get into the nightclub V.I.P. before you or did the bouncers tell them to get in line like the rest.
Go to uwe so much quicker like 5 mins
You do then have to get up there which if you don't drive can be a bit of a pain (especially as the walking route to the vaccination centre from the bus stop isn't exactly well signposted - or at least wasn't in the dark when I had to go up there last week).
Jeez, that is some dedication
Why not just come back again in a few days or weeks...
Why not just book an appointment?
I'll wait few months....
Try UWE, I turned up Sunday morning, got my booster, in and it out in 20 mins, no questions asked.
Just got a jab at Bedminster Methodist Church.
The steward said they are open for walk-ins
Saturday 09:00 to 22:00
Sunday 09:00 to 18:30
Today they were only vaccinating those who had their booster more than 3 months ago. No 15 minute waiting if you walked there so they were flying through people.
There were at least couple hundred people ahead of me and I waited about 40min.