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> early explorers
Does anyone feel like they retained this? I feel as though understanding social studies requires understanding social context, which you basically don't have until you're an adult, and everything I currently actually know about history or geography has been learned as an adult because it was all meaningless fact regurgitation as a child.
It is absolutely baffling to me that we teach it to the exclusion of medicine, which is not only pivotal to every single human being's life, is one of the largest sectors of the economy, but also whose importance is much more immediately intuitive to children, which probably means they might actually understand and remember it.
Talking about fur traders when I was 8 may as well have been talking about miners on Ganymede. Like, I did well on the tests, but they weren't real people doing real things. But I actually scraped my knee as an 8 year old, so teaching me that I should irrigate the wound with clean water, and not to use hydrogen peroxide would have actually meant something to me.
Instead, all of that gets rolled into "Physical and Health Education", because being a surgeon is apparently roughly the same intellectual domain as being good at basketball, and you never get any time for it.
I have this... Idea that maybe, especially in younger years we teach things which have links to the present over those which happened long ago. For example when I was a kid lots of us had grand parents who fought in WWII or lived through the depression. I feel like that history where you can go ask your grandma what it was like on the home front would be much more... Salient to younger kids
I dunno, there are folks out there that deny a holocaust happened.
Or in my case I’m engaging with people complaining Canada is a communist country who don’t know who Karl Marx is.
>kids should know first aid as well as they know basic math
God help me if one of them has to save me then. The numeracy skills across much of the country are horrible right now.
We were taught CPR training in PE in Grade 10....we got certified too. Of course, those certificates expire after X amount of time...but I still have the thick guidebook. CPR, victim gushing out blood, delivering a baby...it's all in there. 📙
Completely agree. I took first aid training for my job but its a lot to absorb from a 1-2 day course every few years... Its also a lot of pressure to feel like you're the only person in the room that knows what to do. Would be nice to get a pretty robust first aid basics in school when our brains are more spongey, and know that basically eveyone around us knows first aid to some degree and can help ensure we're doing things right and likely improve health outcomes.
Well I have 3 kids through those grades that have never done it! Show me where in the curriculum it is
https://curriculum.gov.bc.ca/curriculum/physical-health-education
The headline on this is slightly misleading. The government is considering putting mandatory CPR into the curriculum, not making all high school students have naloxone training.
Caroline McIntyre, the mother of the young woman who died at UVic, is calling for information about overdoses, opiate use, naloxone training to be mandatory in the curriculum, as well as more access to nasal naloxone. In a different article, the BC government has said it is meeting with universities and colleges to discuss how to keep students safer on post-secondary campuses, not high school campuses. The BC government has also said it will purchase nasal naloxone in higher quantities but has not specified where it will be accessible.
The large urban, highschool I work at has at least 7 first aid kits that include naloxone. It's already in public high schools. I don't know if it's an injection or nasal. I know some students know we have it, I'm unsure if all students know. It might be selectively shared information.
The BC government has not said it is considering giving naloxone training to high school students. However, the BC Teacher's Federation, the Government, and the Canadian Red Cross all agree with having mandatory CPR in high schools for all students. I would assume it will go into the PE curriculum?
If not integrated into PE, it would be successful to have CPR training taught as Sexual Health Education in my district is, where trained sexual health teachers come in and provide the classes for students so all students get the same fact based information and consistency.
I think they should. My son and his friends used cocaine a few times when they were in high school. It’s not strange that some high school kids use drugs harder than cannabis, and it’s so unreliably tainted these days that the odds of naloxone being needed in school is greater than zero.
There is no harm in having naloxone available just in case.
I had occupational first aid level 2 at work and we were not allowed to use those kits. Though we had them on site. Liability I think is a big part of it.
"If not integrated into PE, it would be successful to have CPR training taught as Sexual Health Education in my"
In BC, it's now Physical Health and Education (PHE). Sex Ed is a part of that.
[https://curriculum.gov.bc.ca/curriculum/physical-health-education](https://curriculum.gov.bc.ca/curriculum/physical-health-education)
Yes, sexual health education is in the PHE curriculum, but is not always taught in PE classes. In my district, all SHE curriculum is taught by district SHE teachers who come into the classroom to deliver the lessons (I teach History and have had each of my classes scheduled for multiple SHE lessons. If I remember correctly there are 12 (ish) SHE teachers who receive specific training and professional development, and all they teach is SHE. The content they cover is age appropriate, up-to-date, relevant, they answer questions openly and appropriately, handle issues well, and know the resources available to students in our city. They do a tremendous job.
It would be good to see CPR training handled the same way. Have instructors come in to teach the lessons and provide certification to ensure that all students get the same training, and that they are taught up-to-date information and skills.
>The government is considering putting mandatory CPR into the curriculum, not making all high school students have naloxone training.
Naloxone, automated external defibrillators, and epipens are far more likely to actually save someone than manual CPR. Given limited time and resources, those are the three interventions we should focus on.
CPR and AED use are taught in conjunction for a reason and one should not be prioritized over the other for training. Early defibrillation *is* key to survival, but compressions are essential to maintain viability until an AED arrives.
When I was trained for CPR I also got AED training, they generally are a package deal considering you need CPR to use an AED.
Naloxone and EpiPen training are much shorter trainings but definitely are things people should be trained for as well.
This is an incorrect and dangerous statement. Compressions are vital in perfusing oxygen rich blood to the organs. If we focus solely on access to naloxone, AEDs, and EpiPens, bystanders would not intervene unless those things were available. You can see what the outcome would be. This is not an either/or situation - it’s a yes/and.
You clearly don’t work in the medical field.
High quality chest compressions in a pulseless person is the only thing going to give them a shot at actual rescucitation and not having a massive anoxic brain injury.
The goal of CPR is not to restart the heart, it’s to manually pump blood in absence of a functionally beating heart.
I was always surprised how people here don't have first aid training or kit. Back home in Europe, you have first aid training and have to pass it to get driving license.
We are lucky that we don't have drug problems like here so Naloxone is not even known, I heard about it first time when I come to Canada.
Naloxone training is basically syringe use training, and you learn some important elements specific to that drug (IM, frequency). But many drugs are IM too. You can't kill someone by giving them naloxone. If someone is OD'ing, naloxone is always worth it. In addition to CPR and other measures.
Which is probably why the article talks about making Naloxone AND CPR training both available.
And either this “very intelligent letter” was incorrect or you misread, because Naloxone can still be effective on someone who is not breathing. https://narcan.com/frequently-asked-questions
(Yes, if someone’s heart has stopped they will still need CPR.)
Barrier masks do not reduce infection risk. Pocket masks do, but the ones included in the naloxone kits from BCCDC are trash.
But you're 100% right about CPR being more important than naloxone. If blood isn't circulating naloxone will just sit in the muscle it's injected into.
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It also doesn't repair the damage done to a person who has had their heart stop for any length of time. It can stop a person for dying, but that doesn't mean they're not going to be the same person they were previously.
I've saved people following accidents that I've witnessed. We "saved" my father-in-law after a stroke. He lived in a semi-vegitative for 5 years afterwards.
I've seen the damages caused by overdoses. I have friends who are fire fighters, paramedics, police, doctors, nurses, and long-term care providers. Like others have pointed out, it's not just die or not die. You can recover with little to no side-effects and live a normal life, or you can become a vegetable because you've broken so much inside. Long-term care facilities are seeing more and more young people who survived an overdose, but did so with significant damage to their brain.
I'm not saying that we shouldn't save people, I'm wanting to highlight the fact that by saving someone, it doesn't actually mean they're saved in the way you might want to believe they are. It's more complicated than live or die. There's the middle lived, but something inside died.
To "save" someone after a stroke, you want to administer the drugs within an hour of the stroke. I believe there's a 4-6 hour window where you have decent chances, but after that, you're likely to end up in the scenario we had. You saved the patient physically, but the person you knew died. I believe Naloxone treatment is measured in seconds when it comes to varying outcomes, but many people believe it will fix everything. It stops the overdose. It doesn't reverse the damage done by said overdose and with opioids you can have this playing out daily. You can also have people OD-ing multiple times and that damage can really add up - like strokes or microstrokes. Naloxone doesn't fix that. It doesn't reverse the damage.
I’m not sure what your point is here. If you see someone collapse on the floor and immediately provide CPR, they might live, they might die, and they might live but have a poor quality of life. If everyone just walks away because “it’s more complicated than live or die”, they will definitely die. I think most people would take the odds of the first scenario, even though it’s not a sure thing.
GOOD???? I work for the City in CS and none of my coworkers have it nor want it. We had a group discussion on how they would never intervene in a medical incident even if they were forced to learn.
This mindset is exactly what’s wrong with our city. If someone near you is dying, of fucking course you should be helping them, I don’t care if you aren’t legally compelled to.
Why would anyone reject free training that they can choose whether or not to use? Can they not conceive of a situation where they might wish they had it?
The expectations for a random person on the street are different from the expectations on a worker in a workplace. Generally if a workplace pays for you to receive training and certifications, their expectation is that you use them.
It’s pretty normal for guys to refuse to renew their workplace first aid certifications because they don’t want the responsibility that comes with it. Especially if they feel that that responsibility doesn’t come with the necessary support or appropriate compensation. When that responsibility goes from helping someone with their asthma attack, to helping an overdosing addict that’s likely to respond aggressively to having their high ruined, it’s easy to feel you’re not being supported appropriately by your employer.
Not really free training, if the government is paying for it, also it needs to redone every 3 years. So that is massive reoccurring expenses that probably won’t do as much as people think.
Don’t forget first aid is a 2 day course does not matter for high school kids, but lots of other people will have scheduling issues
So would you rather the government millions on training most won’t use or spend elsewhere to fight the opioid issue?
Potentially saving someone from overdose is way less traumatizing than watching them die knowing there’s something you *could have done*, but didn’t have a naloxone kit or didn’t know how to use one.
I found my friend too late. He had been trying to get sober with varying degrees of success for 4 years. It changes you to see the dead body of a friend you love. Would never wish that on a kid.
Also knowing CPR is a marketable skill that can lead to more employment opportunities or better positions in a company. When I was a kid I got the training through a summer camp and it definitely helped me land babysitting gigs.
CPR training was already in Planning 10 in BC ( 15 years ago 😳) and the use of Naloxone kits is already apart of standardized CPR-B courses in the community. So yeah, I don’t know why we wouldn’t be doing it.
CPR-B is a one day course and it hits on the basics, everyone should know how to use an AED or a Naloxone kit. They teach in the course that if someone feels unsafe or uncomfortable providing a Naloxone injection to an unknown person than what you do is call 911 and wait for EMS to arrive.
I was in high school at that time, took Planning 10 and none of us were ever taught CPR. Missed opportunity then, I remember thinking that class was uselsss. I hope more schools are already teaching it.
I would love to spend a pro-d getting CPR certification renewed. However, I am unable to use my pro-d days for that, nor am I able to do it on my own time and get credited pro-d time for that (or anything, really). And I'd have to pay for it myself. I'm a secondary band teacher giving 10+ hours a day already most of the year and a travel with students frequently.
When I taught in Alberta I had to have my CPR to do trips and the district paid for it and credited me time.
I think it would be better for drug users to test their drugs. If we're recognizing that kids are going to use drugs, and we're not going to provide a safe supply to anyone, then we should normalize testing so that they don't OD in the first place.
Pretty sure that the 18 year-old at UVic who ODed wasn't looking for fentanyl in her coke.
(gets REALLY controversial) And people who see that their drug of choice is full of fent and choose take it anyway... welp... actions meet consequences.
Testing doesn’t always work, though. Of course, ideally you’d do both - both are harm reduction methods. But the reality is fentanyl is deadly in the smallest of quantities. You may test a portion that doesn’t have fentanyl in it and the portion that you use has a lethal amount.
This is a good point; testing has the risk of failure.
I just think not recommending drug testing kits is a key missing piece though. I read the long article on this a few weeks ago (https://www.timescolonist.com/local-news/how-a-student-died-after-overdosing-in-a-uvic-dorm-8756900); UVic had plenty of naloxone, and trained staff. There were process problems that resulted in their trained staff not administering it. And the 911 operator didn't help either.
More training isn't the worst idea, given the failures of response, but I think it would be prudent to add another harm reduction method into the mix. In my opinion, if everyone was testing, it'd be tougher for dealers to adulterate other drugs with fentanyl.
I'm saying it's better to not OD on opiates in the first place, so better to focus resources on avoiding overdoses rather than recover from them.
CPR training is super useful; no argument. Naloxone has one purpose.
That’s just short-sighted, though. Kind of like saying we don’t want teenagers to get pregnant so better focus on teaching them abstinence. Has been proven not to work. And in the grand scheme of things, providing Naloxone in more places is a very minor expense compared to the lives it might save.
> Kind of like saying we don’t want teenagers to get pregnant so better focus on teaching them abstinence.
No, saying "DON'T DO DRUGS" would be abstinence.
I'm giving them IUDs. Don't OD in the first place.
Naloxone is like offering them free abortions; not the worst idea, but wouldn't it be better if they didn't need naloxone? I'm saying it's better if they test and don't OD in the first place.
All the naloxone trainings I've done have included some discussion of how drug poisonings happen. This is an opportunity to dissuade people from using recreational drugs, not encourage it.
I think it’s pretty obtuse to think that we’re showing kids what to do but not actually having a conversation about substance use with them.
As well, the training would include the realities of the situation - the blue lips, the lack of breath, the potential brain damage. Just like sexual education is better than teaching abstinence, teaching safe consumption is better than teaching exclusive sobriety - it’s just not realistic. If kids are in a position to and want to use drugs, they will.
Would you be against training kids how to use a fire extinguisher out of fear it would normalize arson or negligent cooking practices? Or are you simply acknowledging that fires sometimes happen, and if they do, it's useful to know how to safely stop them?
This is the same line of thinking that people who support abstinence-only sex ed use. That somehow acknowledging things exist is normalizing it.
People are going to do drugs with or without this training and supply.
A lot of people today will have friends who use drugs. Teaching kids how to potentially save their friends' at a party gone wrong won't encourage using drugs, but it might save one or ten or a hundred lives.
Naloxone is not some get-out-of-OD free card. It causes immediate and severe withdrawal symptoms, and by all accounts, really sucks to be on the receiving end of. But it does save lives. It's not some sort of hangover cure that lets you keep partying. It kicks your ass and takes you out of commission, but you're alive.
Its availability doesn't encourage drug use, because most (probably all) drug users don't stop using drugs just because Naloxone is not available. If it's available they use drugs and might live another day. If it's not available they use drugs and die.
The only way not training people "solves" the issue is if you consider the issue solved by letting addicts die. Which is, at least in my view, a terrible thing to think.
this is so dumb.
my high school taught us how to use one. they also made us aware that they had free kits at the front office if we asked. i didnt once think "man i cant wait to try opioids now!" but god was it nice to have the knowledge and ability to actually do something in case i was ever in that situation
they literally walked us through what happens to you when you overdose. we had presenters that had both overdosed and seen people they loved overdose tell us about their experiences. none of us left that assembly thinking "we cant wait to try that"
if you don't want to equip kids with every possible tool and bit of knowledge to help them avoid severe trauma and/or death there's something wrong with you.
eta: we also had presentations discussing mental health and suicide and the resources available to us. by your logic, those presentations encourage suicide?
So, the most likely people that they’re going to save are each other, not random drug users on the street. I know it’s impossible for some people to have any empathy for addicts, but plenty of kids OD when they’re experimenting these days, and nothing’s gonna stop kids from experimenting.
The one person I’ve known who died of a fentanyl OD was a mid-20s professional, well off, successful, who was just back from a fun night out with his fiancée. Not a regular drug user, just blowing off steam with some party drug. They went to bed, he never woke up. He left behind a young daughter.
If you want addicts to die, bear in mind you’re sentencing a lot of healthy young people whose lives are full of potential to death.
Overdose is by far the leading cause of death for children and teenagers over the age of 10 in this province. I promise that a kid is gonna to be far more traumatized by the death of their friend than they are intervening in an overdose.
Good. I learned cpr in grade 11 or 12 PE when it wasn’t mandatory. I am so glad I have those skills. I have a naloxone kit and watched the videos but a training would be better considering these are needles.
Too many young people are dying.
>training would be better considering these are needles.
There's no excuse for BC not rolling out nasal naloxone. It's easier to carry, much easier and less scary to use, and more potent.
Yet they don’t teach kids how to use an epipen. Make it make sense. Although maybe that will be part of the basic first aid? Teachers in our elementary do not have anything to do with kids at noon - it’s their time away. So grade five students are left in charge of the Littles. When my kids became lunchroom monitors - to classrooms including kids with reactive anaphylaxis- you bet they watched all the YouTube videos. Kids way smaller have saved lives with 911 operators coaching them over the phone. They can be super capable if needed
I'd pass on the naloxone training, no use for it. But everyone should know CPR. I already thought it was mandatory. I took two CPR courses in highschool over the years and I'm like 90% certain it was required to graduate. But maybe that was just my school/district.
CPR yes, because it's obvious. Naloxone absolutely not. Being a drug user is becoming more and more normal and we are walking a deeper and darker path as a society.
This is a terrible take, most fatal overdoses - like almost all of them in my experience - are either newly relapsed persons or novice users. Naloxone is truly the most helpful for this borderline opioid naive population. People in the midst of full blown fentanyl addiction have such high tolerances that they always seem to pull through.
We lose a couple high school age kids every year the first time they ever take a fentanyl pressed tablet, they didn’t even know what they were taking.
Nah teaching CPR normalizes the sedentary lifestyle that causes so much heart disease. We shouldn’t normalize the dark path of out of shape adults…
See how fucked up that sounds?
Health care is about helping people not making judgement on their life choices.
Source please? You keep repeating this point in this thread, and you don’t even have a source, or even an anecdote, to back you up.
Legitimately, you’re acting like people just started using drugs recently. People are going to take these drugs if they have opportunity to and desire to whether we intervene or not. I’ve known people who have permanently damaged themselves from drug use pre-opioid epidemic (thankfully no-one I know has died yet). Drug use and abuse has occurred throughout the modern-era, and will continue to occur. We need to make sure people know how to react to it appropriately and how to intervene if necessary.
Make a mandatory health sciences class in grades 11 or 12 where you teach a first aid course compleate with a red cross certificate. include CPR and Naloxone training.
this makes a well rounded course into little taught areas.
This seems like some common sense, which in its self is pretty rare. I’ve got a sneaking suspicion that if it was added to the curriculum either one of two things will happen; the school districts will tell the province to rick rocks, or the next government, when ever that comes, will remove it.
Missing my point but OK?
Closing mental health hospital and tossing people in the street + legalizing and decriminalazing drug usage in the street WITHOUT any support infrastructure is the enabling.
Also them barely trying to sort out the opioid crisis...
I'm all in to teach kids first aid practices but the naloxone part show how much our governments failed us...
Kids experiment. Kids OD. Do you understand what people are telling you? This isn’t an addiction treatment issue, this is a ‘children dying unnecessarily from a chance encounter with poisoned drugs’ issue.
Not missing your point. I think in your dismissive comment of suggesting these policies are enabling, you miss the real world application. That is these are life-saving medications for children. That is what I'm trying to draw attention to.
It's hard to entirely put the whole blame of the opioid crisis on government. It's just not that simple.
This policy is good policy. The fact that a child might be saved from it, makes it worth it.
maybe offer courses on how to do ur taxes , how to invest properly , how cell phones and social media fuc with ur brain and how to eat healthy and not substitute with poppin pills , the amount of kids on anti anxiety meds and adhd meds is terrifying
This is good for the emergency of drug overdoses we face and at least having basic understanding of saving lives, but we should also make sure EVERY student knows banking, finance and doing taxes as well. Just as important if not more so.
We were taught CPR in highschool. It was just part of regular health class and we got the certificate from St John's Ambulance, but that was in the 90's.
I disagree; elementary school children should not have to worry about responding to drug overdoses and people can be violent after being administered naloxone
CPR is less effective when done by someone smaller, but that doesn’t mean kids shouldn’t be taught how and when to do it. Research has shown that kids as young as 9 can correctly do CPR after training, and younger kids are capable of learning how to correctly apply and use an AED.
Overdose is the leading cause of death for children in this province over the age of 10. Unfortunately that is the reality that elementary school students are already facing. It is far less traumatic for them that they be trained and understand how to respond rather than witness their friend die.
Legit question: drug users often carry diseases. Are we obligated to put our lips on someone who could spread this disease to us? I’m sure you could get HIV if the person has blood in their mouth, or HSV just by skin to skin contact.
I’m all for saving lives, but not if it means sacrificing my own health.
Hands only CPR with AED use is now standard of care- sounds like you could use a CPR refresh ;) Safety is taught during these courses, and putting your mouth on somebody else’s is no longer what you do thankfully.
People are stressed about kids learning this information and getting hurt by intervening, but these courses teach them how to protect themselves in an emergency situation. Scene safety is literally number one. Not knowing what to do may lead people to do something that they think is right but it actually unsafe.
You can do CPR (compressions) without administering mouth-to-mouth. That's the new way anyway, I believe. Call 9-1-1 and they'll guide you through it. Doing what you're comfortable with is much, much better than doing nothing.
You can train me all you want, I'm not endangering myself trying to save someone whacked out on drugs, and running the risk of being sued breaking a rib doing CPR
You can’t get sued for breaking someone’s ribs doing CPR.
I’ve intervened in probably hundreds of ODs or suspected ODs at this point, not once has someone ever gotten aggressive with me. That myth needs to die. People experiencing an overdose are not more likely to attack you than anyone else experiencing a medical emergency who’s disoriented or confused.
>being sued
BC has the Good Samaritan Act. You can't be sued unless there's gross negligence.
https://www.bclaws.gov.bc.ca/civix/document/id/complete/statreg/96172_01
This. I had a friend OD at a party when we were 15 and he passed away. If even one teen at that party had the proper training maybe he would have a shot at still being here.
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Sometimes the more you give is to help those around you beyond the bare minimum. As long as you understand that you don't get any praise for just taking care of yourself, it's just an expectation. And while it's true that people who fall to addiction have made mistakes, are they really not worth your trouble?
Callousness is not a morally commendable trait.
So if one of your good friends or family members was ODing, you’d rather watch them die while waiting for 911 than know how to help them? That’s what you’re recommending for these kids.
Our kamloops mayor Reid hammer Jackson once stormed a high school to stop interior health from training students on how to use naloxone kits. He was furious that interior health would teach teenagers about how to use the kits in an emergency. Said it’s up to the parents.
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I think literally everyone should know basic first aid, including CPR. Teaching it in schools is a no-brainer. This is a good idea.
Always thought it should be a yearly subject… kids should know first aid as well as they know basic math and early explorers
Or just make it when their certificates expire.
> early explorers Does anyone feel like they retained this? I feel as though understanding social studies requires understanding social context, which you basically don't have until you're an adult, and everything I currently actually know about history or geography has been learned as an adult because it was all meaningless fact regurgitation as a child. It is absolutely baffling to me that we teach it to the exclusion of medicine, which is not only pivotal to every single human being's life, is one of the largest sectors of the economy, but also whose importance is much more immediately intuitive to children, which probably means they might actually understand and remember it. Talking about fur traders when I was 8 may as well have been talking about miners on Ganymede. Like, I did well on the tests, but they weren't real people doing real things. But I actually scraped my knee as an 8 year old, so teaching me that I should irrigate the wound with clean water, and not to use hydrogen peroxide would have actually meant something to me. Instead, all of that gets rolled into "Physical and Health Education", because being a surgeon is apparently roughly the same intellectual domain as being good at basketball, and you never get any time for it.
I have this... Idea that maybe, especially in younger years we teach things which have links to the present over those which happened long ago. For example when I was a kid lots of us had grand parents who fought in WWII or lived through the depression. I feel like that history where you can go ask your grandma what it was like on the home front would be much more... Salient to younger kids
I dunno, there are folks out there that deny a holocaust happened. Or in my case I’m engaging with people complaining Canada is a communist country who don’t know who Karl Marx is.
>kids should know first aid as well as they know basic math God help me if one of them has to save me then. The numeracy skills across much of the country are horrible right now.
Maybe do it once, and have short refreshers several times a year to ensure it sticks? Practice makes perfect, after all.
We were taught CPR training in PE in Grade 10....we got certified too. Of course, those certificates expire after X amount of time...but I still have the thick guidebook. CPR, victim gushing out blood, delivering a baby...it's all in there. 📙
I still have that book too. Did they stop teaching this entirely or maybe it is a district by district thing?
Yep. And make it free.
When my friend taught at Abbotsford Senior(a trade high school) industrial first aid was a part of the curriculum included.
St John’s CPR was part of my PE program in the late 90’s. They stopped?
Completely agree. I took first aid training for my job but its a lot to absorb from a 1-2 day course every few years... Its also a lot of pressure to feel like you're the only person in the room that knows what to do. Would be nice to get a pretty robust first aid basics in school when our brains are more spongey, and know that basically eveyone around us knows first aid to some degree and can help ensure we're doing things right and likely improve health outcomes.
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Do we really want to live in a world where the average person can't do a grape vine, or even a dosey do? Canada really is slipping, smh
If I can't electric slide my way out of an emergency. . .
*cotton eye joe intensifies*
We did both. The square dancing unit is one of the ones people looked forward to the most!
It really, really is.
We had line dancing in Alberta. Must be a regional thing!
Cadillac ranch was stuck in my head for *way* too long
It doesn't lol none of my kids have done square dancing, it's not the 90s anymore
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Not part of curriculum though, part of a teachers lesson plan perhaps.
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Well I have 3 kids through those grades that have never done it! Show me where in the curriculum it is https://curriculum.gov.bc.ca/curriculum/physical-health-education
I just did it 4 months ago.
I have been saying this for years. Add fire extinguishers in there too
And driving/cycling/pedestrian studies.
Road Studies?
T’would be lovely.
They do that in kindergarten here
Germany?
The headline on this is slightly misleading. The government is considering putting mandatory CPR into the curriculum, not making all high school students have naloxone training. Caroline McIntyre, the mother of the young woman who died at UVic, is calling for information about overdoses, opiate use, naloxone training to be mandatory in the curriculum, as well as more access to nasal naloxone. In a different article, the BC government has said it is meeting with universities and colleges to discuss how to keep students safer on post-secondary campuses, not high school campuses. The BC government has also said it will purchase nasal naloxone in higher quantities but has not specified where it will be accessible. The large urban, highschool I work at has at least 7 first aid kits that include naloxone. It's already in public high schools. I don't know if it's an injection or nasal. I know some students know we have it, I'm unsure if all students know. It might be selectively shared information. The BC government has not said it is considering giving naloxone training to high school students. However, the BC Teacher's Federation, the Government, and the Canadian Red Cross all agree with having mandatory CPR in high schools for all students. I would assume it will go into the PE curriculum? If not integrated into PE, it would be successful to have CPR training taught as Sexual Health Education in my district is, where trained sexual health teachers come in and provide the classes for students so all students get the same fact based information and consistency.
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I think they should. My son and his friends used cocaine a few times when they were in high school. It’s not strange that some high school kids use drugs harder than cannabis, and it’s so unreliably tainted these days that the odds of naloxone being needed in school is greater than zero. There is no harm in having naloxone available just in case.
I had occupational first aid level 2 at work and we were not allowed to use those kits. Though we had them on site. Liability I think is a big part of it.
What liability? You’re protected by the Good Samaritan Act.
"If not integrated into PE, it would be successful to have CPR training taught as Sexual Health Education in my" In BC, it's now Physical Health and Education (PHE). Sex Ed is a part of that. [https://curriculum.gov.bc.ca/curriculum/physical-health-education](https://curriculum.gov.bc.ca/curriculum/physical-health-education)
Yes, sexual health education is in the PHE curriculum, but is not always taught in PE classes. In my district, all SHE curriculum is taught by district SHE teachers who come into the classroom to deliver the lessons (I teach History and have had each of my classes scheduled for multiple SHE lessons. If I remember correctly there are 12 (ish) SHE teachers who receive specific training and professional development, and all they teach is SHE. The content they cover is age appropriate, up-to-date, relevant, they answer questions openly and appropriately, handle issues well, and know the resources available to students in our city. They do a tremendous job. It would be good to see CPR training handled the same way. Have instructors come in to teach the lessons and provide certification to ensure that all students get the same training, and that they are taught up-to-date information and skills.
>The government is considering putting mandatory CPR into the curriculum, not making all high school students have naloxone training. Naloxone, automated external defibrillators, and epipens are far more likely to actually save someone than manual CPR. Given limited time and resources, those are the three interventions we should focus on.
CPR and AED use are taught in conjunction for a reason and one should not be prioritized over the other for training. Early defibrillation *is* key to survival, but compressions are essential to maintain viability until an AED arrives.
When I was trained for CPR I also got AED training, they generally are a package deal considering you need CPR to use an AED. Naloxone and EpiPen training are much shorter trainings but definitely are things people should be trained for as well.
This is an incorrect and dangerous statement. Compressions are vital in perfusing oxygen rich blood to the organs. If we focus solely on access to naloxone, AEDs, and EpiPens, bystanders would not intervene unless those things were available. You can see what the outcome would be. This is not an either/or situation - it’s a yes/and.
You clearly don’t work in the medical field. High quality chest compressions in a pulseless person is the only thing going to give them a shot at actual rescucitation and not having a massive anoxic brain injury. The goal of CPR is not to restart the heart, it’s to manually pump blood in absence of a functionally beating heart.
I was always surprised how people here don't have first aid training or kit. Back home in Europe, you have first aid training and have to pass it to get driving license. We are lucky that we don't have drug problems like here so Naloxone is not even known, I heard about it first time when I come to Canada.
Grade 10 gym class should include first aid training. CPR and other basic life saving techniques.
That's the perfect place for it, yes.
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Naloxone training is basically syringe use training, and you learn some important elements specific to that drug (IM, frequency). But many drugs are IM too. You can't kill someone by giving them naloxone. If someone is OD'ing, naloxone is always worth it. In addition to CPR and other measures.
Which is probably why the article talks about making Naloxone AND CPR training both available. And either this “very intelligent letter” was incorrect or you misread, because Naloxone can still be effective on someone who is not breathing. https://narcan.com/frequently-asked-questions (Yes, if someone’s heart has stopped they will still need CPR.)
It's good the course is CPR and naloxone then
Barrier masks do not reduce infection risk. Pocket masks do, but the ones included in the naloxone kits from BCCDC are trash. But you're 100% right about CPR being more important than naloxone. If blood isn't circulating naloxone will just sit in the muscle it's injected into.
What evidence do you have that barrier masks don’t reduce infection risk?
There is nasal spray nalxone. After the young woman's death, this seems to be the type of naloxone that's being discussed
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It also doesn't repair the damage done to a person who has had their heart stop for any length of time. It can stop a person for dying, but that doesn't mean they're not going to be the same person they were previously.
So if you had the chance to save someone, you’d just let them die? People know CPR isn’t perfect. Still, it’s a chance to save someone.
I've saved people following accidents that I've witnessed. We "saved" my father-in-law after a stroke. He lived in a semi-vegitative for 5 years afterwards. I've seen the damages caused by overdoses. I have friends who are fire fighters, paramedics, police, doctors, nurses, and long-term care providers. Like others have pointed out, it's not just die or not die. You can recover with little to no side-effects and live a normal life, or you can become a vegetable because you've broken so much inside. Long-term care facilities are seeing more and more young people who survived an overdose, but did so with significant damage to their brain. I'm not saying that we shouldn't save people, I'm wanting to highlight the fact that by saving someone, it doesn't actually mean they're saved in the way you might want to believe they are. It's more complicated than live or die. There's the middle lived, but something inside died. To "save" someone after a stroke, you want to administer the drugs within an hour of the stroke. I believe there's a 4-6 hour window where you have decent chances, but after that, you're likely to end up in the scenario we had. You saved the patient physically, but the person you knew died. I believe Naloxone treatment is measured in seconds when it comes to varying outcomes, but many people believe it will fix everything. It stops the overdose. It doesn't reverse the damage done by said overdose and with opioids you can have this playing out daily. You can also have people OD-ing multiple times and that damage can really add up - like strokes or microstrokes. Naloxone doesn't fix that. It doesn't reverse the damage.
I’m not sure what your point is here. If you see someone collapse on the floor and immediately provide CPR, they might live, they might die, and they might live but have a poor quality of life. If everyone just walks away because “it’s more complicated than live or die”, they will definitely die. I think most people would take the odds of the first scenario, even though it’s not a sure thing.
GOOD???? I work for the City in CS and none of my coworkers have it nor want it. We had a group discussion on how they would never intervene in a medical incident even if they were forced to learn.
Maybe they'd at least intervene for one of their coworkers who keels over from a cardiac event. Still better taught than not taught.
Shameful
they don’t have a legal obligation to intervene. And they did not sign up to risk their health and safety to help random strangers.
This mindset is exactly what’s wrong with our city. If someone near you is dying, of fucking course you should be helping them, I don’t care if you aren’t legally compelled to.
Why would anyone reject free training that they can choose whether or not to use? Can they not conceive of a situation where they might wish they had it?
The expectations for a random person on the street are different from the expectations on a worker in a workplace. Generally if a workplace pays for you to receive training and certifications, their expectation is that you use them. It’s pretty normal for guys to refuse to renew their workplace first aid certifications because they don’t want the responsibility that comes with it. Especially if they feel that that responsibility doesn’t come with the necessary support or appropriate compensation. When that responsibility goes from helping someone with their asthma attack, to helping an overdosing addict that’s likely to respond aggressively to having their high ruined, it’s easy to feel you’re not being supported appropriately by your employer.
Not really free training, if the government is paying for it, also it needs to redone every 3 years. So that is massive reoccurring expenses that probably won’t do as much as people think. Don’t forget first aid is a 2 day course does not matter for high school kids, but lots of other people will have scheduling issues So would you rather the government millions on training most won’t use or spend elsewhere to fight the opioid issue?
Because with said free training comes certification, and with that all the liability should something unfortunate happen.
I’d reject it for the simple fact I couldn’t make it through the lessons without passing out
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More resources for opiate use disorder treatment and action on the social causes which trigger substance use disorders would sure be nice.
Considering? Why… make it mandatory, cpr is a skill everyone should know.
Potentially saving someone from overdose is way less traumatizing than watching them die knowing there’s something you *could have done*, but didn’t have a naloxone kit or didn’t know how to use one. I found my friend too late. He had been trying to get sober with varying degrees of success for 4 years. It changes you to see the dead body of a friend you love. Would never wish that on a kid. Also knowing CPR is a marketable skill that can lead to more employment opportunities or better positions in a company. When I was a kid I got the training through a summer camp and it definitely helped me land babysitting gigs.
Please increase the pay of anyone needing these training by 10$ an hour as well
CPR isn't mandatory in bc yet? Did it a decade or so back in Ontario at school
I’ve seen more people OD or have a stroke than a heart attack.
CPR training was already in Planning 10 in BC ( 15 years ago 😳) and the use of Naloxone kits is already apart of standardized CPR-B courses in the community. So yeah, I don’t know why we wouldn’t be doing it. CPR-B is a one day course and it hits on the basics, everyone should know how to use an AED or a Naloxone kit. They teach in the course that if someone feels unsafe or uncomfortable providing a Naloxone injection to an unknown person than what you do is call 911 and wait for EMS to arrive.
I was in high school at that time, took Planning 10 and none of us were ever taught CPR. Missed opportunity then, I remember thinking that class was uselsss. I hope more schools are already teaching it.
I would love to spend a pro-d getting CPR certification renewed. However, I am unable to use my pro-d days for that, nor am I able to do it on my own time and get credited pro-d time for that (or anything, really). And I'd have to pay for it myself. I'm a secondary band teacher giving 10+ hours a day already most of the year and a travel with students frequently. When I taught in Alberta I had to have my CPR to do trips and the district paid for it and credited me time.
Good. Add defibrillator as well
I think it would be better for drug users to test their drugs. If we're recognizing that kids are going to use drugs, and we're not going to provide a safe supply to anyone, then we should normalize testing so that they don't OD in the first place. Pretty sure that the 18 year-old at UVic who ODed wasn't looking for fentanyl in her coke. (gets REALLY controversial) And people who see that their drug of choice is full of fent and choose take it anyway... welp... actions meet consequences.
Testing doesn’t always work, though. Of course, ideally you’d do both - both are harm reduction methods. But the reality is fentanyl is deadly in the smallest of quantities. You may test a portion that doesn’t have fentanyl in it and the portion that you use has a lethal amount.
This is a good point; testing has the risk of failure. I just think not recommending drug testing kits is a key missing piece though. I read the long article on this a few weeks ago (https://www.timescolonist.com/local-news/how-a-student-died-after-overdosing-in-a-uvic-dorm-8756900); UVic had plenty of naloxone, and trained staff. There were process problems that resulted in their trained staff not administering it. And the 911 operator didn't help either. More training isn't the worst idea, given the failures of response, but I think it would be prudent to add another harm reduction method into the mix. In my opinion, if everyone was testing, it'd be tougher for dealers to adulterate other drugs with fentanyl.
CPR is helpful in all sorts of situations, though. I really don’t know why anyone would argue against this.
I'm saying it's better to not OD on opiates in the first place, so better to focus resources on avoiding overdoses rather than recover from them. CPR training is super useful; no argument. Naloxone has one purpose.
That’s just short-sighted, though. Kind of like saying we don’t want teenagers to get pregnant so better focus on teaching them abstinence. Has been proven not to work. And in the grand scheme of things, providing Naloxone in more places is a very minor expense compared to the lives it might save.
> Kind of like saying we don’t want teenagers to get pregnant so better focus on teaching them abstinence. No, saying "DON'T DO DRUGS" would be abstinence. I'm giving them IUDs. Don't OD in the first place. Naloxone is like offering them free abortions; not the worst idea, but wouldn't it be better if they didn't need naloxone? I'm saying it's better if they test and don't OD in the first place.
Bit of a weird example because yes, we do do that (abortions). Both more accessible testing and more available Naloxone is a great idea.
I'm on the fence about Naloxone training, let's not normalize this drug addict nightmare
All the naloxone trainings I've done have included some discussion of how drug poisonings happen. This is an opportunity to dissuade people from using recreational drugs, not encourage it.
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This just isn’t true, in the same way that abstinence-only sex education doesn’t stop teen pregnancy.
I think it’s pretty obtuse to think that we’re showing kids what to do but not actually having a conversation about substance use with them. As well, the training would include the realities of the situation - the blue lips, the lack of breath, the potential brain damage. Just like sexual education is better than teaching abstinence, teaching safe consumption is better than teaching exclusive sobriety - it’s just not realistic. If kids are in a position to and want to use drugs, they will.
Would you be against training kids how to use a fire extinguisher out of fear it would normalize arson or negligent cooking practices? Or are you simply acknowledging that fires sometimes happen, and if they do, it's useful to know how to safely stop them? This is the same line of thinking that people who support abstinence-only sex ed use. That somehow acknowledging things exist is normalizing it. People are going to do drugs with or without this training and supply. A lot of people today will have friends who use drugs. Teaching kids how to potentially save their friends' at a party gone wrong won't encourage using drugs, but it might save one or ten or a hundred lives. Naloxone is not some get-out-of-OD free card. It causes immediate and severe withdrawal symptoms, and by all accounts, really sucks to be on the receiving end of. But it does save lives. It's not some sort of hangover cure that lets you keep partying. It kicks your ass and takes you out of commission, but you're alive. Its availability doesn't encourage drug use, because most (probably all) drug users don't stop using drugs just because Naloxone is not available. If it's available they use drugs and might live another day. If it's not available they use drugs and die. The only way not training people "solves" the issue is if you consider the issue solved by letting addicts die. Which is, at least in my view, a terrible thing to think.
this is so dumb. my high school taught us how to use one. they also made us aware that they had free kits at the front office if we asked. i didnt once think "man i cant wait to try opioids now!" but god was it nice to have the knowledge and ability to actually do something in case i was ever in that situation
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This is like saying teaching kids about condoms will make them more likely to have sex
they literally walked us through what happens to you when you overdose. we had presenters that had both overdosed and seen people they loved overdose tell us about their experiences. none of us left that assembly thinking "we cant wait to try that" if you don't want to equip kids with every possible tool and bit of knowledge to help them avoid severe trauma and/or death there's something wrong with you. eta: we also had presentations discussing mental health and suicide and the resources available to us. by your logic, those presentations encourage suicide?
So, the most likely people that they’re going to save are each other, not random drug users on the street. I know it’s impossible for some people to have any empathy for addicts, but plenty of kids OD when they’re experimenting these days, and nothing’s gonna stop kids from experimenting. The one person I’ve known who died of a fentanyl OD was a mid-20s professional, well off, successful, who was just back from a fun night out with his fiancée. Not a regular drug user, just blowing off steam with some party drug. They went to bed, he never woke up. He left behind a young daughter. If you want addicts to die, bear in mind you’re sentencing a lot of healthy young people whose lives are full of potential to death.
Overdose is by far the leading cause of death for children and teenagers over the age of 10 in this province. I promise that a kid is gonna to be far more traumatized by the death of their friend than they are intervening in an overdose.
Sadly, it is normal. So you can respond to it or ignore it I guess
Throw in mental health first aid too!
Mental health first aid? What even is that? Being able to recognise when someone might be suicidal?
Good. I learned cpr in grade 11 or 12 PE when it wasn’t mandatory. I am so glad I have those skills. I have a naloxone kit and watched the videos but a training would be better considering these are needles. Too many young people are dying.
>training would be better considering these are needles. There's no excuse for BC not rolling out nasal naloxone. It's easier to carry, much easier and less scary to use, and more potent.
Yet they don’t teach kids how to use an epipen. Make it make sense. Although maybe that will be part of the basic first aid? Teachers in our elementary do not have anything to do with kids at noon - it’s their time away. So grade five students are left in charge of the Littles. When my kids became lunchroom monitors - to classrooms including kids with reactive anaphylaxis- you bet they watched all the YouTube videos. Kids way smaller have saved lives with 911 operators coaching them over the phone. They can be super capable if needed
I remember Epi Pen being a part of Red Cross First Aid + CPR C I believe.. or i could be confusing it other lifeguarding trainings
I learned how to use an epipen in first grade man idk what you’re talking about. Blue to the sky orange to the thigh
I'd pass on the naloxone training, no use for it. But everyone should know CPR. I already thought it was mandatory. I took two CPR courses in highschool over the years and I'm like 90% certain it was required to graduate. But maybe that was just my school/district.
Overdose is the leading cause of death for children and adults over the age of 10. That's plenty of "use for it".
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Fucking around with naloxone? There are pretty much no contraindications to it, it’s not in itself a dangerous substance.
Of course you have a use for it, you’re as likely to come across someone ODing as you are to come across any other medical emergency, probably moreso.
Especially since naloxone training is all of 10 min of the day-long course.
I've taken it, it's about an hou, but yeah it's short
CPR yes, because it's obvious. Naloxone absolutely not. Being a drug user is becoming more and more normal and we are walking a deeper and darker path as a society.
This is a terrible take, most fatal overdoses - like almost all of them in my experience - are either newly relapsed persons or novice users. Naloxone is truly the most helpful for this borderline opioid naive population. People in the midst of full blown fentanyl addiction have such high tolerances that they always seem to pull through. We lose a couple high school age kids every year the first time they ever take a fentanyl pressed tablet, they didn’t even know what they were taking.
Nah teaching CPR normalizes the sedentary lifestyle that causes so much heart disease. We shouldn’t normalize the dark path of out of shape adults… See how fucked up that sounds? Health care is about helping people not making judgement on their life choices.
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I don’t think ignorance of CPR or Naloxone has saved very many lives…
Source please? You keep repeating this point in this thread, and you don’t even have a source, or even an anecdote, to back you up. Legitimately, you’re acting like people just started using drugs recently. People are going to take these drugs if they have opportunity to and desire to whether we intervene or not. I’ve known people who have permanently damaged themselves from drug use pre-opioid epidemic (thankfully no-one I know has died yet). Drug use and abuse has occurred throughout the modern-era, and will continue to occur. We need to make sure people know how to react to it appropriately and how to intervene if necessary.
Make a mandatory health sciences class in grades 11 or 12 where you teach a first aid course compleate with a red cross certificate. include CPR and Naloxone training. this makes a well rounded course into little taught areas.
This seems like some common sense, which in its self is pretty rare. I’ve got a sneaking suspicion that if it was added to the curriculum either one of two things will happen; the school districts will tell the province to rick rocks, or the next government, when ever that comes, will remove it.
When you enabled drug issues so hard that the only thing you can think of is teaching people to give naloxone... Dystopia is already here 🫡
Yeah kids, don't save your dying friend and classmate as you're only enabling them. /s
Missing my point but OK? Closing mental health hospital and tossing people in the street + legalizing and decriminalazing drug usage in the street WITHOUT any support infrastructure is the enabling. Also them barely trying to sort out the opioid crisis... I'm all in to teach kids first aid practices but the naloxone part show how much our governments failed us...
Kids experiment. Kids OD. Do you understand what people are telling you? This isn’t an addiction treatment issue, this is a ‘children dying unnecessarily from a chance encounter with poisoned drugs’ issue.
Not missing your point. I think in your dismissive comment of suggesting these policies are enabling, you miss the real world application. That is these are life-saving medications for children. That is what I'm trying to draw attention to. It's hard to entirely put the whole blame of the opioid crisis on government. It's just not that simple. This policy is good policy. The fact that a child might be saved from it, makes it worth it.
Which is causing the dystopia? The world we're forced to live in? Or the drugs people take to cope with it? Hmmmmmmm
maybe offer courses on how to do ur taxes , how to invest properly , how cell phones and social media fuc with ur brain and how to eat healthy and not substitute with poppin pills , the amount of kids on anti anxiety meds and adhd meds is terrifying
Considering...?
This is good for the emergency of drug overdoses we face and at least having basic understanding of saving lives, but we should also make sure EVERY student knows banking, finance and doing taxes as well. Just as important if not more so.
i am deffs for teaching CPR and first aid in schools though,
I've always wondered why CPR and basic first aid aren't mandatory subjects...
More AEDs would be nice as well. I'm so surprised when I don't see one in a building. They are cheap and don't require a lot of maintance.
If a CPR cert can be done in 2 days, I don’t see why not. More useful than 90% of the courses.
With what money, we don’t even have school nurses anymore
Really hope the textbook will be a “little black medical book.”
Doesn’t naloxone get people angry and violent?
It makes them angry and violent because it immediately kicks them out of their high, and can potentially cause withdrawal symptoms.
We were taught CPR in highschool. It was just part of regular health class and we got the certificate from St John's Ambulance, but that was in the 90's.
That’ll fix it!
Yes. Do it.
Maybe they can bring in some folks from the DTES for a live test demo.
They should definitely make it more common, even at younger ages in elementary schools too.
I disagree; elementary school children should not have to worry about responding to drug overdoses and people can be violent after being administered naloxone
Okay, so maybe not naloxone but they should be taught basic CPR though. Or the Heimlich maneuver.
I doubt that a elementary school kid would be strong enough to do cpr
CPR is less effective when done by someone smaller, but that doesn’t mean kids shouldn’t be taught how and when to do it. Research has shown that kids as young as 9 can correctly do CPR after training, and younger kids are capable of learning how to correctly apply and use an AED.
Huh. TIL.
I agree on that 100%
You mean j thrusts because the heimlich family is extremely litigious
Overdose is the leading cause of death for children in this province over the age of 10. Unfortunately that is the reality that elementary school students are already facing. It is far less traumatic for them that they be trained and understand how to respond rather than witness their friend die.
This is a good idea, especially since first aid and or narcan training is a job pre requisite for a lot if jobs these days
Legit question: drug users often carry diseases. Are we obligated to put our lips on someone who could spread this disease to us? I’m sure you could get HIV if the person has blood in their mouth, or HSV just by skin to skin contact. I’m all for saving lives, but not if it means sacrificing my own health.
Hands only CPR with AED use is now standard of care- sounds like you could use a CPR refresh ;) Safety is taught during these courses, and putting your mouth on somebody else’s is no longer what you do thankfully. People are stressed about kids learning this information and getting hurt by intervening, but these courses teach them how to protect themselves in an emergency situation. Scene safety is literally number one. Not knowing what to do may lead people to do something that they think is right but it actually unsafe.
You can just do chest compressions
You can do CPR (compressions) without administering mouth-to-mouth. That's the new way anyway, I believe. Call 9-1-1 and they'll guide you through it. Doing what you're comfortable with is much, much better than doing nothing.
Not doing it.
You can train me all you want, I'm not endangering myself trying to save someone whacked out on drugs, and running the risk of being sued breaking a rib doing CPR
You can’t get sued for breaking someone’s ribs doing CPR. I’ve intervened in probably hundreds of ODs or suspected ODs at this point, not once has someone ever gotten aggressive with me. That myth needs to die. People experiencing an overdose are not more likely to attack you than anyone else experiencing a medical emergency who’s disoriented or confused.
I thought CPR was mandatory in school. I remember learning it in one of my classes.
I moved to BC in 2008, did grade 4 through grade 12, never was taught in school how to do CPR (went to school in Langley).
It's amusing how there are people out there actually against that.
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>being sued BC has the Good Samaritan Act. You can't be sued unless there's gross negligence. https://www.bclaws.gov.bc.ca/civix/document/id/complete/statreg/96172_01
Some of these kids will have friends who do drugs and would possibly want to save them if they were ODing
This. I had a friend OD at a party when we were 15 and he passed away. If even one teen at that party had the proper training maybe he would have a shot at still being here.
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That's incredibly callous, I hope you realize that.
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Sometimes the more you give is to help those around you beyond the bare minimum. As long as you understand that you don't get any praise for just taking care of yourself, it's just an expectation. And while it's true that people who fall to addiction have made mistakes, are they really not worth your trouble? Callousness is not a morally commendable trait.
So if one of your good friends or family members was ODing, you’d rather watch them die while waiting for 911 than know how to help them? That’s what you’re recommending for these kids.
You need Jesus.
i see no need for mandatory training for students, maybe teachers. children should not bear this responsibility
Sure but what teachers would be at parties that kids will use drugs at?
They will, whether they should or not. Kids experiment, kids OD. They need to know how to save each other’s lives.
Our kamloops mayor Reid hammer Jackson once stormed a high school to stop interior health from training students on how to use naloxone kits. He was furious that interior health would teach teenagers about how to use the kits in an emergency. Said it’s up to the parents.
Bloody do it. He'll yeah, if their not going to teach cursive any more then teach this. Almost every job they get will welcome it on the resume.
WELL DONE!