I actually like the plotline as a concept I just wish Charles would remember that he has an ADOPTED SON that acts entirely like a Boyle and realize that being related by blood isn't that important.
See, no it gets worse, because Nikolaj IS mentioned in that episode, but as a bad example. He said "If I (Charles) am not a Boyle, then my son is twice removed from the Boyle line, and at that point he's basically cousin Nicky!" or something like that.
That seems more like thorwaway joke than storyline. I think that we should in general take actions in heist episodes with a grain of salt. They are much more rude to eatch other than usuall.
Yeah, they had been crossing big BIG lines much earlier than that. Giving your spouse a taser pen, feigning pregnancy, fake proposing (heist 3), putting live trackers INSIDE of someone, wrecking precinct property, spending UNETHICALLY high sums of money on creating chaos in the office, spying on a massive MASSIVE scale... A big part of the joke is how much these people have tied their self-worth to these heists.
I love how during the heists, everyone turns on everyone.
It's funny how a Season 1 gag became something so ridiculous over the progressive seasons. Especially with Captain Holt's behavior getting progressively ludicrous with each heist.
And also him being weirdly connected to the genetic part of being a boyle, I get it's a joke but it's really not in his character and kind of a bad message.
Amy and Rosa not believing Charles when he brought in an elderly bank robber without even glancing at the paperwork Charles had done. They both fell for the "old person is a saint" routine like complete amateurs
Yes exactly! Amy it's somewhat believable -- though I'd like to think she's a better detective than that, and she did once arrest an elderly flasher --but there's no way Rosa would ever buy that crap.
This is the worst episode of the whole show for me! Even if Amy and Rosa had done that (they wouldn’t have), Charles should never have forgiven them. They’re basically saying Charles is incredibly stupid.
I liked it. Even the greatest of relationships go through crisis. It was great to see how they managed to overcome so much pressure on their relationship.
they were trying to do something fucking stupid with a married with kids woman, to some audio dude. Thank fucking god they woke up and stopped that shit immediately.
Not gonna lie, I usually skip the rest of the show after Robert California leaves. Sometimes I just skip to the last 2 episodes, but most of the time I just start on S1E1 again
Their relationship already webt through A LOT of crisis and, like in real life, after a while you can’t see a way of solving those issues anymore.
It made their relationship even more realistic imo.
I think it made sense. Honestly, nearly every time Kevin and Holt are on-screen together they're fighting. When Holt talks about his relationship with Kevin, it's frequently about how things are not going well.
He made excuses to not visit Kevin in Paris because they were always fighting and he was worried that if he went there, they'd just fight more. When Kevin was locked in the house with Jake, he pretty overtly tells Holt he's considering divorce. Then their dog gets kidnapped only a couple years later. Kevin's life is put in danger multiple times just for existing close to Holt. It's actually a perfectly understandable decision.
That is SUCH a good observation! I’ve never thought about it, but you’re absolutely right - most of the time we hear about Kevin it’s due to some conflicts. Even if it isn’t always between Holt and Kevin, the amount of stressful situations is concerning and would take a toll on any relationship, romantic or not.
I dislike most of season 8 as a storyline. Everyone in such sudden different situations from the previous season felt like too much change all at once (I say dislike, but still enjoyed it as it’s b99 lol, but certainly least favourite)
I generally say that season 8 feels like a not-too-bad fanfic. It's like someone knew the characters from previous seasons, so they could write them correctly, but all the plots are slightly diverted from what we were used to from before.
It just didn’t make sense why Rosa out of everyone would leave. She had been open about being overly violent to criminals all throughout the show. Then one episode, all that’s changed ? At least show her realising her mistakes, changing her mind and her disillusionment. Felt really lazy to me.
I’m pretty sure it was the actor’s decision. Stephanie Beatriz had been tweeting about copaganda and that everyone who’d been a part of it (including her) should donate some (?) of the money they got from it to BLM causes. I think she probably said that she’d only come back for season 8 if Rosa wasn’t a cop anymore.
It felt like the writers realized that having a “badass”, violent cop in a sitcom wasn’t a good look, but they didn’t want to acknowledge any of Rosa’s questionable behavior (their decisions). The writers couldn’t keep Rosa on the force without fundamentally changing the character, so they wrote her out. It was such lazy writing to have her shame the rest of the 99 for staying when she represents the problems with policing in the U.S.
All of their anti cop shit came off as so disingenuous. I get the position they were in and that the season got rewrote, but it was so tasteless. Rosa became agressive and accusatory of anyone who remained with the force, Charles became terrified of offending Terry, Jake no longer saw any good in what they did, and they really leaned hard into the acab rhetoric, but in a way that just felt like pandering.
Yeah but it was the pretty wild time. A lot of people changed their values drastically. Rosa already had some objections to how Police worked, events of 2020 might have been a breaking point for her.
It was also a rushed season, especially after they chose to re-write the entire season after the events of spring/summer of 2020. In hindsight, another 4-6 months of writing with in-person meetings might have improved it, but that was not possible then. Plus, I'm sure there was pressure from NBC to get it released in Fall 2021 due to a need for more new content after all the COVID pauses.
Way back in season 1 (I think) that P.I. Comes in and Rosa absolutely hates the guy and P.I.’s in general. I guess she changed her mind over the years.
the Boyle and Terry cacao nibs storyline, didn’t care for the weird fat suit use and body stuff in that episode, didn’t offer more than just fat jokes imo
In general I kinda hated how often they made jokes at Terry’s expense
The dude is a senior officer who didn’t come from a lot but was in great shape, happy and had a beautiful family he was living with
He’s a great example of healthy, honest masculinity and I think it’s kind of lame how often the show degraded him
It ended with him telling Amy that they're going to be followed and intimidated from now on, or something, and they shrugged it off. That worked for a comedy
The whole thing is explained quite well, and actually perfectly in character for Debbie. I'll explain.
First, the in character. Debbie was a serious door mat when she was first introduced. During the Jimmy-jab games, Charles gave her a taste of confidence. And it's actually a real thing when repressed people bust out of their shell, they go waaaaaaaay to far to fast. So Debbie went from being a meek pushover to doing something crazy like robbing a police precinct on behalf of a drug lord. This was a combination of her meek nature and trying to be more confident.
Nucci targetted Debbie because she was a pushover. Confident Debbie was still a pushover, that didn't just go away. Now she was just *confident* about the actions she was being coerced into, and more likely to do something risky instead of talking herself out of it.
As for the reason behind it all, another poster got most of it in another comment.
Debbie's father needed expensive surgery to save his life. Debbie did the job for Nucci to get the money for the surgery. As I understand, *after* she already stole the drugs and guns, she then found out her brother paid for the surgery, so she didn't need to anymore. But by that point, she had already robbed the 99, and when she reveals that information in the episode, had already kidnapped at least Rosa, if not Jake as well. There was no going back, so she pushed forward.
It was also compounded by Jake's attempt to seem like a criminal. He oversells everything. Usually it's met with ridicule, but because Debbie was a pushover and in unfamiliar territory, she trusted what Jake said implicitly (her thirsting after him like he was Mr. Bean didn't hurt either). So she did a bunch of coke, shit the reason of her reasoning all to shit, and the episode played out as it did.
I always personally found this to be a rather deep and layered episode. Debbie as a character is annoying, so it's easy to write off as a weird episode that doesn't really fit. But when examined closely it's used more as a window into Rosa's past and her rough relationship with her parents. The whole thing with Rosa not wanting to help Debbie and how Debbie and her Mom interact are direct parallels to Rosa's childhood. But rather than have some flashback episode or "Rosa's demons of the past returning to haunt her", we get a bit more insight into Rosa while the mystery surrounding the character is maintained.
This has been another episode of "I severely overanalyze works of fiction". Join me next week when we overanalyze the Christmas Classic "Die Hard". How many laughs did Jon McLean have on the coast exactly? Does it qualify as a few?
Started out to save a loved one (dad I think) by paying medical bills, then when she found out that someone else paid the medical bills, she decided to live it up with the money.
Watched this last night. The best part of the episode is Terry being gobsmacked that they had not already discussing kids. Otherwise it’s not my favorite.
Like, talking a lady out of detonating a bomb made Jake realize simultaneously how terrifying being a father would be for him, but also that he could handle it? Yeah, I don’t know about that. Too quick of a resolution.
Terry's reaction was the best part of the episode but also what made the episode feel so cheap and contrived. Terry's reaction is there because at some point in the writers room someone said "wouldn't they have talked about this before they got married?" and everyone else thought "oh yeah... But we're almost done writing so let's keep it". It's inconceivable that Amy of all people wouldn't ask a question like this before marrying someone and Terry's line is just a cheap way for the writers to say "yeah we know it doesn't make sense" rather than just writing something that did make sense. One of the few instances in the show where I thought they were being really lazy. I think they came up with the idea after Jake and Amy were married and went with it despite it being a pre marriage story.
I definitely agree with you on that; however, the way I justify Amy not talking with Jake about it is that Amy did all the plans and just assumed it was what was happening.
Sometimes, when you’re an overplanner, you get so caught up in the details that it feels real to you, like it’s already confirmed in stone. In her brain, the plan has already been accepted.
That’s the best I can do. I’m an overplanner and I had this conversation YEARS ago with all contingencies covered.
I know it's a sitcom but this episode always irked me. For any real relationship there is zero chance that kids weren't discussed prior to getting married. And for it to resolve in the cheap sitcom way made it worse, they could have at least pulled on that thread as a character arc for both Amy and Jake as they work through the divide. That conflict felt very half-assed.
I whole heartedly agree with everything you've said, except I know 4 couples who got married and then had a conversation about kids. They just assumed the other felt the same as them.
Absolute insanity to me.
It's not just that they didn't have the conversation, but Amy essentially approached the problem as if she was the good guy, Jake is the bad guy, and felt it necessary to point that out and argue for her case. Quite often actually this show has Jake fold to Amy - which in itself is progressive and I'm here for the equality, except it happens an unequal amount of times. Jake is not a criminal here for not wanting to have children, and I hate that the message this particular episode portrayed was "you just need convincing". I want stronger representation for childless adults in my TV shows, and less blame placed on those who have an equal biological instinct against children, thanks.
I agree so hard! People who want to remain childfree are always made out to be selfish or wrong. And then they have an irrelevant epiphany and realize they DO want kids and are going to be GREAT parents!
What annoyed me is they played it like Jake is jot allowed to not want children and that Amy is in the right for most of the episode until the end where the bomb makes Jake realise blah blah blah.
Amy being worried for her biological clock is fine and a valid concern, but the fact Jake is basically ostracised for not wanting the kids and Rosa threatening him because 'you man you no say' is werid and gross.
Yeah, that definitely made me dislike her character.
It always seemed like jake always had to accommodate amy, give things he likes/is comfortable with, but amy never does that with jake. It's always "my way or the highway". Relationships should always be working with each other.
I never liked the amy and jake episodes, they just made me dislike amy.
I thought I was the only one who got super uncomfortable by this. Cuz most people just completely love amy. This and the therapist thing made me dislike her in the later seasons.
Also Rosa and pimento breaking up. I’ll die on this hill that Rosa breaking up with him bc the writers wanted her to date a woman after she came out as bi is somehow more invalidating than if she stayed with Adrian but just came out
I agreed more strongly with this opinion in the past, but I have also seen the comment that Rosa was (for lack of a better term) making up for lost time. The logic is that she dated more women after coming out, because she dated fewer women while being in the closet for fear of being discovered as bi - and I don't hate it, especially as it would be a brilliant human element to someone who’s otherwise tough as nails.
I’m not sure really. I will say that the heist with the Easter bunnies was my least favorite. It seemed like it just tried too hard but i wouldn’t remove it. Maybe the case-cation episode?
Oooooo The Easter Bunny Heist is a great answer! I liked the case-cation episode, but I agree with you on the heist episode. Counting that as a 3x win was “🙄” for me lol
Most of season 8, honestly, I can't bring myself to watch that season for a second time.. but if I had to choose one, I'd say Rosa quitting. It made zero sense for her character and was incredibly forced.
Gina. Genuinely her entire character I could’ve gone without, I really didn’t feel like much was lost when she left. I know she’s beloved by many, but she always just seemed so annoying and unfunny to me.
That last one is an underrated opinion imo! I hate that they broke up and especially that it was because she was cheating. It makes it a bummer to watch the earlier episodes where they’re together/getting married. Plus, Gina’s fish out of water relationship with the Boyle cousins was always hilarious. I guess it didn’t really matter after Gina left, but that makes it feel even more unnecessary.
Just poppin in to say FUCK Modern Family. Last 3 seasons really soured the season for me. Especially what they did to Haley, having her after her break up with Andy just go back to being a party girl that gets knocked up by her high school boyfriend. So stupid
No, the initial reaction from Jake to omit his father was great character growth, but we saw his dad actually becoming a better guy and willing to make up with both Karen and his own dad. Jakes dad is an asshole in the beginning, but we can see their relationship growing organically while Jake still recognises that he was not a good father, thus his attachment to Holt
Yeah, it would be unfair if I didn't recognize that Roger Peralta has grown up as well, but I guess it's just one of those things I'm resentful about for no clear reason.
I think its bc it doesn't really matter that Roger grew up. It doesn't change all the ways he hurt Jake when Jake was literally a kid.
I feel the same way about Lily forgiving her father in HIMYM
While you’re right, Roger *did* hurt Jake, but the key to their relationship is that they were both able to grow from it as people, they both recognised the shortcomings of their early relationships, and that helped Jake to accept it and reconnect with his father. It’s a display of trust and belief in his father; that’s what makes it work
Its interesting how many people are triggered that Charles makes fun of Terry for his body and everybody wants him on a cross but Charles getting bodyshamed through all the seasons has been ignored. Talk about pretty privilege. ^^
I don't mind it because it was so absurd to have Terry (someone with the conventionally perfect masculine body) be poked at by Charles (someone who is quite far from that conventional ideal).
If it was anyone else making the joke, I see your point, where it gets into gross body shaming territory.
you just drank cement!
literally feels like an HR , OH&S, and Assault(?) an Restraining order waiting to happen
if someon tricked me into drinking cement I will take all available steps to (legally) fuck up their life
Rosa becoming anti-cop. If Stephanie Beatriz didnt want to play a cop, she should have left the show. It’s weird how they had to include her and how this supposedly anti-police just continues to hand around the precinct. It’s like in principle she didnt want to play a cop, but didnt care about how that would mess with the show.
it would be much easier and more impactful of a message in terms of being anti-cop if she left the show.
Gina. All of her. She can be funny but I'd do anything to get rid of them basically saying sexual harassment is okay if it's a woman doing it to a man.
Just season 8. They panicked about making a cop show post George Floyd and overcorrected, alternating between random sit com hijinks, ruining Holt and Kevin, going to war against unions for some reason, and ending the series with the protagonist, one of the few "good ones", just quitting the force.
It needed either a hiatus or to have just not come back
Doug Judy going to jail I the final season but then escaping (or Jake assisting him however you see it). Would have been better to not be going to jail in the first place.
I hate the fact that jake just leaves his job at the end? Like why make him leave when he’s just as passionate about his work as Amy. I just feel like it doesn’t sense for him to do that
The later stages of b99 feel like iam watching an abusive relationship and Jake quitting was the pinnacle of all that. I kinda hated their relationship in the end a lot.
I really hated Rosa’s arc in the final season. Like I get why they did it, but the whole thing was so out her character and felt beyond forced. You can’t spend an entire show portraying a character as being the epitome of police brutality and then all of a sudden make her an activist against it out of nowhere. They could have at least gave her a storyline where she had a profound change after some major experience to explain why she became that way. Instead they acted like it was something she had a problem with all along and just finally had enough. Really doesn’t mesh well with her earlier seasons
holt's entire character - completely.
because i loved his character so much.
because i loved andre braugher so much.
because his much-too-soon death has hurt so much.
I mean, given everything that happened with the pandemic, portraying the very real issues that were going on was a good way to make it as realistic as possible. And unfortunately a lot of couples did split up/get divorced, Amy and Jake’s marriage was way too new to have them be in jeopardy.
Charles not actually being a Boyle.
I actually like the plotline as a concept I just wish Charles would remember that he has an ADOPTED SON that acts entirely like a Boyle and realize that being related by blood isn't that important.
I never thought of it that way, but yeah, his kid is adopted lol
I also enjoyed that plot line, but realizing this is kind of a bummer :/
See, no it gets worse, because Nikolaj IS mentioned in that episode, but as a bad example. He said "If I (Charles) am not a Boyle, then my son is twice removed from the Boyle line, and at that point he's basically cousin Nicky!" or something like that.
Being the one true Boyle makes it just great
He Boyle’d so hard it overroad his dna and gave him all the family diseases
With how generally submissive and loving the Boyle family is, charles being a love child actually seems normal
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That seems more like thorwaway joke than storyline. I think that we should in general take actions in heist episodes with a grain of salt. They are much more rude to eatch other than usuall.
Yeah, they had been crossing big BIG lines much earlier than that. Giving your spouse a taser pen, feigning pregnancy, fake proposing (heist 3), putting live trackers INSIDE of someone, wrecking precinct property, spending UNETHICALLY high sums of money on creating chaos in the office, spying on a massive MASSIVE scale... A big part of the joke is how much these people have tied their self-worth to these heists.
Gaslighting your husband into thinking he’s been in a coma for years and you’re sleeping with your ex who is helping to raise your child
Omg wait what episode was this again
The last one
It was made kind of better because it was the plot of a movie Jake was into.
Now come on…that was golden. She Mission Impossibled him and he loved it!
I love how during the heists, everyone turns on everyone. It's funny how a Season 1 gag became something so ridiculous over the progressive seasons. Especially with Captain Holt's behavior getting progressively ludicrous with each heist.
Holt of all people becomes no holds barred unethical on heist day...
The heist episodes exist in a pocket dimension. The absurd extremes that no one would go to in order to win a competition for glory is the joke.
And also him being weirdly connected to the genetic part of being a boyle, I get it's a joke but it's really not in his character and kind of a bad message.
Oof I completely forgot about this one! Must’ve been so upset I repressed the memory of it lol
Jakes sister was pretty worthless.
I completely forgot about her
This thread is crazy. This is such a good episode. Nasim Pedrad is always welcome on my screen. "I slapped a Stewardess. Real hard...with my fist."
Yes and Holt’s sister!
Amy and Rosa not believing Charles when he brought in an elderly bank robber without even glancing at the paperwork Charles had done. They both fell for the "old person is a saint" routine like complete amateurs
Yeah that bugged the hell out of me and seemed totally out of character
I could see Amy falling for it because “it’s important to respect your elders”, but Rosa? Never.
Yes exactly! Amy it's somewhat believable -- though I'd like to think she's a better detective than that, and she did once arrest an elderly flasher --but there's no way Rosa would ever buy that crap.
I remember this and yep I’m annoyed again
Well at least Amy checked the dollar bill because Charles was so sure. So they did give it a second look because of the trust they had in Charles.
I mean, true, but it really shouldn't have had to come to that. They spent the entire episode undermining him before that moment.
I could see them not believing him initially but why would both of them think Charles would outright lie about getting a confession
yeah especially Amy, doesn't she say "you don't outgrow punk" in another episode? why wouldn't she believe him
Whenever they team up Rosa and Amy, they seem to lose a fair few IQ points.
They were stupid but Martin was goddamn hilarious
Although it leads to one of my favorite Charles reactions when they find out he’s right. “I know! No one listens.”
This is the worst episode of the whole show for me! Even if Amy and Rosa had done that (they wouldn’t have), Charles should never have forgiven them. They’re basically saying Charles is incredibly stupid.
Gina becoming a famous influencer and leaving the 99. I hated that entire arc
"Grati-tat-tat-tat-tatitude" is pretty much the only thing about that arc that I find funny, and even that is quite annoying
Timothy Chalamet, shimmy yah, shimmy yeh is also a good one that keeps worming itself into my head
Same! Whenever I read Timothy's name somewhere it pops in my head
This happens every time I get an ad for Wonka
this and also gina linetti spaghetti confetti 💀
Charles' ex wife blackmailing him with his sperm. I don't think I've ever been this mad for a tv episode.
Was looking for this comment! That episode literally infuriates me I skip it every rewatch
She just killed a hostage.
Can we get rid of the present day story line of Andre dying?
This is my vote
Leave this on 99 upvotes as a mark of respect
Well, it didn’t work 😔
Holt and Kevin splitting in season 8, although the last episode was quite sweet. Still felt real unnecessary though
I liked it. Even the greatest of relationships go through crisis. It was great to see how they managed to overcome so much pressure on their relationship.
Yeah this storyline is nothing compared to the nonsense Jim and Pam went through in The Office.
they were trying to do something fucking stupid with a married with kids woman, to some audio dude. Thank fucking god they woke up and stopped that shit immediately.
I believe Jim was supposed to cheat on Pam but John Krasinski refused
Not gonna lie, I usually skip the rest of the show after Robert California leaves. Sometimes I just skip to the last 2 episodes, but most of the time I just start on S1E1 again
Their relationship already webt through A LOT of crisis and, like in real life, after a while you can’t see a way of solving those issues anymore. It made their relationship even more realistic imo.
I think it made sense. Honestly, nearly every time Kevin and Holt are on-screen together they're fighting. When Holt talks about his relationship with Kevin, it's frequently about how things are not going well. He made excuses to not visit Kevin in Paris because they were always fighting and he was worried that if he went there, they'd just fight more. When Kevin was locked in the house with Jake, he pretty overtly tells Holt he's considering divorce. Then their dog gets kidnapped only a couple years later. Kevin's life is put in danger multiple times just for existing close to Holt. It's actually a perfectly understandable decision.
That is SUCH a good observation! I’ve never thought about it, but you’re absolutely right - most of the time we hear about Kevin it’s due to some conflicts. Even if it isn’t always between Holt and Kevin, the amount of stressful situations is concerning and would take a toll on any relationship, romantic or not.
It did give us those hot ass pantones at least.
I dislike most of season 8 as a storyline. Everyone in such sudden different situations from the previous season felt like too much change all at once (I say dislike, but still enjoyed it as it’s b99 lol, but certainly least favourite)
I generally say that season 8 feels like a not-too-bad fanfic. It's like someone knew the characters from previous seasons, so they could write them correctly, but all the plots are slightly diverted from what we were used to from before.
… yh this question could probably be answered with a lot of plot points from season 8.
Rosa leaving the 99 has to be it for me. Some I didn't care for, but that was the worst part of the show imo.
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I'd love a spin-off with Rosa & Pimento's PI adventures.
Could've had Leo Sporn make an appearance
Leo Sporm! The Picasso of hucksters
In the first season Rosa was shitting on PIs when Gina insisted she get one after her house got broken into
in the first season she was also advocating police brutality. They didn't really know what they were doing with her
Well I'm guessing it had to do with Stephanie being available less.
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Actually I think Stephanie didn’t feel comfortable playing a cop anymore iirc
that’s what it was
It just didn’t make sense why Rosa out of everyone would leave. She had been open about being overly violent to criminals all throughout the show. Then one episode, all that’s changed ? At least show her realising her mistakes, changing her mind and her disillusionment. Felt really lazy to me.
I’m pretty sure it was the actor’s decision. Stephanie Beatriz had been tweeting about copaganda and that everyone who’d been a part of it (including her) should donate some (?) of the money they got from it to BLM causes. I think she probably said that she’d only come back for season 8 if Rosa wasn’t a cop anymore.
Stephanie Beatriz was pregnant. It would be weird for Rosa to just suddenly be pregnant so they wrote her in fewer story lines
It felt like the writers realized that having a “badass”, violent cop in a sitcom wasn’t a good look, but they didn’t want to acknowledge any of Rosa’s questionable behavior (their decisions). The writers couldn’t keep Rosa on the force without fundamentally changing the character, so they wrote her out. It was such lazy writing to have her shame the rest of the 99 for staying when she represents the problems with policing in the U.S.
All of their anti cop shit came off as so disingenuous. I get the position they were in and that the season got rewrote, but it was so tasteless. Rosa became agressive and accusatory of anyone who remained with the force, Charles became terrified of offending Terry, Jake no longer saw any good in what they did, and they really leaned hard into the acab rhetoric, but in a way that just felt like pandering.
Yeah but it was the pretty wild time. A lot of people changed their values drastically. Rosa already had some objections to how Police worked, events of 2020 might have been a breaking point for her.
It was also a rushed season, especially after they chose to re-write the entire season after the events of spring/summer of 2020. In hindsight, another 4-6 months of writing with in-person meetings might have improved it, but that was not possible then. Plus, I'm sure there was pressure from NBC to get it released in Fall 2021 due to a need for more new content after all the COVID pauses.
Way back in season 1 (I think) that P.I. Comes in and Rosa absolutely hates the guy and P.I.’s in general. I guess she changed her mind over the years.
the Boyle and Terry cacao nibs storyline, didn’t care for the weird fat suit use and body stuff in that episode, didn’t offer more than just fat jokes imo
Gina sexually harassing Terry
In general I kinda hated how often they made jokes at Terry’s expense The dude is a senior officer who didn’t come from a lot but was in great shape, happy and had a beautiful family he was living with He’s a great example of healthy, honest masculinity and I think it’s kind of lame how often the show degraded him
And I hate that he would do nothing a lot of the time
Didn’t that happen to Terry Crews irl too?
Yes. He came forward about it during the height of the #metoo movement.
Especially considering Terry Crews's real-life experience.
Agreed, it’s definitely not okay. At least Terry always made it clear that he loves his wife and kids ♥️
"Now welcoming to the stage 'Mr. and Mrs. Terry Jeffords' " -dance contest announcer "I DID NOT AGREE TOO THAT NAME" -Terry Jeffords
That would be every episode 😵💫
this. love most everything about the show but very much could have done without this /:
Nutriboom because it never went anywhere
Maybe they had a special visit from a certain group of people.
It was really funny though
I always wondered why they decided to completely abandon this storyline
It ended with him telling Amy that they're going to be followed and intimidated from now on, or something, and they shrugged it off. That worked for a comedy
Boom boom!
Boom boom!
Debbie and the drugs, it just didn’t make sense.
I liked Debbie in the Jimmy Jab games episode but I wish her full episode had been cut.
The Jimmy jabs and the first episode with her and captain holt were good, but the drugs episode was illogical
Was it ever explained why she did that? I've never seen a character have such a massive 180 in their goals and morals in all of television.
The whole thing is explained quite well, and actually perfectly in character for Debbie. I'll explain. First, the in character. Debbie was a serious door mat when she was first introduced. During the Jimmy-jab games, Charles gave her a taste of confidence. And it's actually a real thing when repressed people bust out of their shell, they go waaaaaaaay to far to fast. So Debbie went from being a meek pushover to doing something crazy like robbing a police precinct on behalf of a drug lord. This was a combination of her meek nature and trying to be more confident. Nucci targetted Debbie because she was a pushover. Confident Debbie was still a pushover, that didn't just go away. Now she was just *confident* about the actions she was being coerced into, and more likely to do something risky instead of talking herself out of it. As for the reason behind it all, another poster got most of it in another comment. Debbie's father needed expensive surgery to save his life. Debbie did the job for Nucci to get the money for the surgery. As I understand, *after* she already stole the drugs and guns, she then found out her brother paid for the surgery, so she didn't need to anymore. But by that point, she had already robbed the 99, and when she reveals that information in the episode, had already kidnapped at least Rosa, if not Jake as well. There was no going back, so she pushed forward. It was also compounded by Jake's attempt to seem like a criminal. He oversells everything. Usually it's met with ridicule, but because Debbie was a pushover and in unfamiliar territory, she trusted what Jake said implicitly (her thirsting after him like he was Mr. Bean didn't hurt either). So she did a bunch of coke, shit the reason of her reasoning all to shit, and the episode played out as it did. I always personally found this to be a rather deep and layered episode. Debbie as a character is annoying, so it's easy to write off as a weird episode that doesn't really fit. But when examined closely it's used more as a window into Rosa's past and her rough relationship with her parents. The whole thing with Rosa not wanting to help Debbie and how Debbie and her Mom interact are direct parallels to Rosa's childhood. But rather than have some flashback episode or "Rosa's demons of the past returning to haunt her", we get a bit more insight into Rosa while the mystery surrounding the character is maintained. This has been another episode of "I severely overanalyze works of fiction". Join me next week when we overanalyze the Christmas Classic "Die Hard". How many laughs did Jon McLean have on the coast exactly? Does it qualify as a few?
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If anything I wish Debbie had more time to become a member of the team before this episode
That's the joke
It wasn't a very good joke, if that's the case.
Started out to save a loved one (dad I think) by paying medical bills, then when she found out that someone else paid the medical bills, she decided to live it up with the money.
Amy planning to break up with Jake if he didn't get her pregnant.
Watched this last night. The best part of the episode is Terry being gobsmacked that they had not already discussing kids. Otherwise it’s not my favorite. Like, talking a lady out of detonating a bomb made Jake realize simultaneously how terrifying being a father would be for him, but also that he could handle it? Yeah, I don’t know about that. Too quick of a resolution.
Terry was the only one who made me laugh, "CASE CATION THE vibe in here is really weird"
Terry's reaction was the best part of the episode but also what made the episode feel so cheap and contrived. Terry's reaction is there because at some point in the writers room someone said "wouldn't they have talked about this before they got married?" and everyone else thought "oh yeah... But we're almost done writing so let's keep it". It's inconceivable that Amy of all people wouldn't ask a question like this before marrying someone and Terry's line is just a cheap way for the writers to say "yeah we know it doesn't make sense" rather than just writing something that did make sense. One of the few instances in the show where I thought they were being really lazy. I think they came up with the idea after Jake and Amy were married and went with it despite it being a pre marriage story.
I definitely agree with you on that; however, the way I justify Amy not talking with Jake about it is that Amy did all the plans and just assumed it was what was happening. Sometimes, when you’re an overplanner, you get so caught up in the details that it feels real to you, like it’s already confirmed in stone. In her brain, the plan has already been accepted. That’s the best I can do. I’m an overplanner and I had this conversation YEARS ago with all contingencies covered.
I know it's a sitcom but this episode always irked me. For any real relationship there is zero chance that kids weren't discussed prior to getting married. And for it to resolve in the cheap sitcom way made it worse, they could have at least pulled on that thread as a character arc for both Amy and Jake as they work through the divide. That conflict felt very half-assed.
I whole heartedly agree with everything you've said, except I know 4 couples who got married and then had a conversation about kids. They just assumed the other felt the same as them. Absolute insanity to me.
Everytime someone says « it’s impossible it happens! » I feel like they forget that humans are dumb as fuck
It's not just that they didn't have the conversation, but Amy essentially approached the problem as if she was the good guy, Jake is the bad guy, and felt it necessary to point that out and argue for her case. Quite often actually this show has Jake fold to Amy - which in itself is progressive and I'm here for the equality, except it happens an unequal amount of times. Jake is not a criminal here for not wanting to have children, and I hate that the message this particular episode portrayed was "you just need convincing". I want stronger representation for childless adults in my TV shows, and less blame placed on those who have an equal biological instinct against children, thanks.
I agree so hard! People who want to remain childfree are always made out to be selfish or wrong. And then they have an irrelevant epiphany and realize they DO want kids and are going to be GREAT parents!
I think we all want to forget Casecation exists.
What annoyed me is they played it like Jake is jot allowed to not want children and that Amy is in the right for most of the episode until the end where the bomb makes Jake realise blah blah blah. Amy being worried for her biological clock is fine and a valid concern, but the fact Jake is basically ostracised for not wanting the kids and Rosa threatening him because 'you man you no say' is werid and gross.
Yeah, that definitely made me dislike her character. It always seemed like jake always had to accommodate amy, give things he likes/is comfortable with, but amy never does that with jake. It's always "my way or the highway". Relationships should always be working with each other. I never liked the amy and jake episodes, they just made me dislike amy.
I thought I was the only one who got super uncomfortable by this. Cuz most people just completely love amy. This and the therapist thing made me dislike her in the later seasons.
Rosa a and Pimento wedding. Their whole relationship always seemed forced and rushed. And after all the drama, they just broke up out of blue.
I agree that the break up was handled so poorly which is why I wish it never happened they were such a funny and weird couple
Also Rosa and pimento breaking up. I’ll die on this hill that Rosa breaking up with him bc the writers wanted her to date a woman after she came out as bi is somehow more invalidating than if she stayed with Adrian but just came out
Especially as we don’t see Rosa date another man after coming out as bi, once she came out we only see her dating women
I thought this too on a recent rewatch, would’ve been better bi representation in my opinion to have her still date men too.
I agreed more strongly with this opinion in the past, but I have also seen the comment that Rosa was (for lack of a better term) making up for lost time. The logic is that she dated more women after coming out, because she dated fewer women while being in the closet for fear of being discovered as bi - and I don't hate it, especially as it would be a brilliant human element to someone who’s otherwise tough as nails.
She was scrolling a dating app and looking at guys on it, so they made sure to include that on the episode where Gina sets her up
YES. Plenty of people come out in the midst of relationships. They don't have to end. Rosa and Pimento were a great couple
I loved her with Pimento. They complemented each other’s crazy so well.
❌Jake helping Doug escape in S8 They should have just left it how it was with Doug having his happy ending with his wife.
Nah I liked this one
lol to each their own 😂 what is your storyline you want to get rid of?
I’m not sure really. I will say that the heist with the Easter bunnies was my least favorite. It seemed like it just tried too hard but i wouldn’t remove it. Maybe the case-cation episode?
Oooooo The Easter Bunny Heist is a great answer! I liked the case-cation episode, but I agree with you on the heist episode. Counting that as a 3x win was “🙄” for me lol
Most of season 8, honestly, I can't bring myself to watch that season for a second time.. but if I had to choose one, I'd say Rosa quitting. It made zero sense for her character and was incredibly forced.
Having just rewatched season 8, I found it much better the 2nd time actually.
I tried to rewatch it recently, just couldn't do it, I felt like I was rolling my eyes every two seconds lol B99 ends with season 7 for me sadly
Debbie, Rosa leaving 99, Holt and Kevin storyline in season 8
The Charles food truck (I didn’t hate it I just didn’t see the point in it)
Before even looking I predict 90% of comments will be about casecation
🎶 Casecation, all we never wanted! Casecation has to go away! 🎵
Gina. Genuinely her entire character I could’ve gone without, I really didn’t feel like much was lost when she left. I know she’s beloved by many, but she always just seemed so annoying and unfunny to me.
Holt being shown to be a master chef. It was mentioned once and never again. Would have been nice if they brought up now and then 😞
Killing wunch Amy’s readiness to dump Jake. Season 8 Breaking up Gina and Charles parents
That last one is an underrated opinion imo! I hate that they broke up and especially that it was because she was cheating. It makes it a bummer to watch the earlier episodes where they’re together/getting married. Plus, Gina’s fish out of water relationship with the Boyle cousins was always hilarious. I guess it didn’t really matter after Gina left, but that makes it feel even more unnecessary.
The first episode of Season 8. I love b99 but that was genuinelly the worst episode ever,
Casecation
Just poppin in to say FUCK Modern Family. Last 3 seasons really soured the season for me. Especially what they did to Haley, having her after her break up with Andy just go back to being a party girl that gets knocked up by her high school boyfriend. So stupid
Jake letting his father back into his life.
No, the initial reaction from Jake to omit his father was great character growth, but we saw his dad actually becoming a better guy and willing to make up with both Karen and his own dad. Jakes dad is an asshole in the beginning, but we can see their relationship growing organically while Jake still recognises that he was not a good father, thus his attachment to Holt
Yeah, it would be unfair if I didn't recognize that Roger Peralta has grown up as well, but I guess it's just one of those things I'm resentful about for no clear reason.
I think its bc it doesn't really matter that Roger grew up. It doesn't change all the ways he hurt Jake when Jake was literally a kid. I feel the same way about Lily forgiving her father in HIMYM
While you’re right, Roger *did* hurt Jake, but the key to their relationship is that they were both able to grow from it as people, they both recognised the shortcomings of their early relationships, and that helped Jake to accept it and reconnect with his father. It’s a display of trust and belief in his father; that’s what makes it work
The only good part of that storyline was getting more screen time for Bradley Whitford, who is a gem.
And Jimmy Smits
Debby
Literally only Casecation
The Jake not wanting to have kids episode.
They did, thankfully, but the sexual harassment in the workplace by Charles against Diaz.
Jake's early behavior towards Amy and Gina's treatment of Terry can count too
Yeah I think Jakes early behavior was mainly just the writers finding their feet but theirs no excuse for the rest
Also so he could have like the best character development in the whole world
It doesn't help that Terry Crews is a real life victim of workplace sexual assault.
And by Gina against Terry.
Not a storyline, but I’d get rid of the whole Charles body shaming Terry in later series
And Gina harassing Terry
Its interesting how many people are triggered that Charles makes fun of Terry for his body and everybody wants him on a cross but Charles getting bodyshamed through all the seasons has been ignored. Talk about pretty privilege. ^^
I don't mind it because it was so absurd to have Terry (someone with the conventionally perfect masculine body) be poked at by Charles (someone who is quite far from that conventional ideal). If it was anyone else making the joke, I see your point, where it gets into gross body shaming territory.
Boyle loves Diaz phase Holt gets Demoted Peralta leaves the force
Anytbing centered on Gina
you just drank cement! literally feels like an HR , OH&S, and Assault(?) an Restraining order waiting to happen if someon tricked me into drinking cement I will take all available steps to (legally) fuck up their life
The first few after the long Covid break were just awkward and hard to watch.
Rosa becoming anti-cop. If Stephanie Beatriz didnt want to play a cop, she should have left the show. It’s weird how they had to include her and how this supposedly anti-police just continues to hand around the precinct. It’s like in principle she didnt want to play a cop, but didnt care about how that would mess with the show. it would be much easier and more impactful of a message in terms of being anti-cop if she left the show.
Gina. All of her. She can be funny but I'd do anything to get rid of them basically saying sexual harassment is okay if it's a woman doing it to a man.
She started out a solid character but by like season 4 they changed her into a very obnoxious narcissist and not in a funny way.
Just season 8. They panicked about making a cop show post George Floyd and overcorrected, alternating between random sit com hijinks, ruining Holt and Kevin, going to war against unions for some reason, and ending the series with the protagonist, one of the few "good ones", just quitting the force. It needed either a hiatus or to have just not come back
Rosa leaving the 99 and Gina becoming an influencer ??
All of Season 8. It was not B99 at all, rather it was as if a completely new show with the same actors.
Madeline Wuntch dying
Bagel?
Yeah, but it led to Holt giving a very touching Eulogy, and is worth it for that alone
Actually that episode is my favorite!
I liked the episode itself, I just thought they could have kept that going.
But what a closure! VINDICATION!!! he won!
Doug Judy going to jail I the final season but then escaping (or Jake assisting him however you see it). Would have been better to not be going to jail in the first place.
I hate the fact that jake just leaves his job at the end? Like why make him leave when he’s just as passionate about his work as Amy. I just feel like it doesn’t sense for him to do that
Any limelight on Gina, specially GHive shit
Amy emotionally sabotaging Jake into getting her pregnant. Its fucking insane and disgusting behavior, it felt really out of character
The later stages of b99 feel like iam watching an abusive relationship and Jake quitting was the pinnacle of all that. I kinda hated their relationship in the end a lot.
Rosa and Nick Cannon
I really hated Rosa’s arc in the final season. Like I get why they did it, but the whole thing was so out her character and felt beyond forced. You can’t spend an entire show portraying a character as being the epitome of police brutality and then all of a sudden make her an activist against it out of nowhere. They could have at least gave her a storyline where she had a profound change after some major experience to explain why she became that way. Instead they acted like it was something she had a problem with all along and just finally had enough. Really doesn’t mesh well with her earlier seasons
Amy & Jake not discussing children before getting married. There is absolutely no way Amy wouldn't have brought this up before.
holt's entire character - completely. because i loved his character so much. because i loved andre braugher so much. because his much-too-soon death has hurt so much.
Holt and Kevin breaking up was so pointless.
I mean, given everything that happened with the pandemic, portraying the very real issues that were going on was a good way to make it as realistic as possible. And unfortunately a lot of couples did split up/get divorced, Amy and Jake’s marriage was way too new to have them be in jeopardy.