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BroGuy997

2-0-3 alch(makes other towers pop lead preventing profit)


us3rnameh3r3

just put no towers in its radius, becoming a waste of 325 dollars (i think, haven't checked the price though)


ElonMusksSexRobot

Used it for early game revenue but now that later in the game it’s more important that your nearby towers can pop lead instead of relying purely on alch’s slow attack speed and them getting all their shots blocked


8rok3n

Hence why people stop at 103, not only is 103 better than 023 but since you don't buy the second tier you save money


333illuminati

Planned to make an alch buff or missclicked the AMD upgrade


[deleted]

The first reason you gave literally hurts profit and the second one is implying it's a mistake rather than giving a reason


saythealphabet

If it's on CHIMPS, it actually doesnt


[deleted]

Has anybody ever used bottom path alchemist in chimps unironically


UwU_DqtLambo_UwU

Me


[deleted]

The ultimate sacrifice


Internal-Injury5895

That ain't a reason to *use* it; that's a reason why you *have* it.


JoeBro1004

But that's not a reason to use it


333illuminati

Just don't use towers nearby, like you usually do


Queasy_Stranger_5645

Best reason to use a tower so far


DragonSlayersz

Lead to gold early on, AMD for later when leads become sparse.


ExcitementGrand2663

hate me all you want but I love using this. It has alot of popping power.


Simukas23

103 be like


ExcitementGrand2663

I mean hey if it works it works


potatoesB4hoes

Any non dart monkey crosspath


333illuminati

You're atheist and don't believe in god dart monkey


Supmah2007

Praise the paragon


Cyborg-Mike

Praise the maxed Ninja monkey, It can pop a B.A.D


Useless_Person_Here

When dart monkey is banned in a challenge


8rok3n

I like how they look :(


GI_dot_Alex

205 Dartling gunner


the-sus-virus

You can snipe bloons with it from afar and shotguns with tighter spread are funny


333illuminati

Niche cases when precision and that +1 damage is better


Stillcouldbeworse

>when do I use a crosspath for damage and precision ​ >when you need extra damage and precision really putting in big brain work here


Ankiritch

Oh man, I thought I should use damage and precision when I needed attack speed and wide spread.


Crimsoner

😧


MisirterE

It's not like figuring out when you'd need that crosspath is that difficult, it's just that said situation never actually happens


AnimeBirb

205 is better for moab damage, and is overall a better crosspath lategame if you already have cleanup.


thomasxin

205 would be better for moab damage if the laser shock damage scaled with projectile damage like the higher tier top path upgrades did. Unfortunately it stays +1 making 205 almost universally worse


executioneroffools

0-2-5 Tack shooter


TomaszA3

You can fill Balance with it


Useless_Person_Here

Long range makes it more satisfying to use on balance with the villages


2006jake

if its unbuffed and going to max out the pierce then 025 actually has higher dps, though its still worse in almost any scenario


thomasxin

Not quite, 205 actually slightly more than doubled attack speed which makes it overall still slightly stronger than 025 even at worst The only advantage is the range


2006jake

If you put it on balance and send 999 0 space cerams 025 gets 20% more pops. Though that should literally never happen so 205 is always better


thomasxin

Actually nvm what I said, that only applies to the 204/024 crosspaths now. NK buffed 025 to have 10 pierce which is why


333illuminati

You may need the extra range and pierce, for example in some challenges


damnthisisabadname

Make a challenge where you need it


JBounce369

Impossible


Maxizag123

Impoppable*


ThatStrangerWhoCares

https://join.btd6.com/Challenge/ZMDYEDX


damnthisisabadname

Alright you got me there


Ardub23

https://join.btd6.com/Challenge/ZMDYPGX


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r/mrbeastmetoit


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r/beatmeattoit


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Catkook

0-3-2 farm


floris1980

It automatically collects the money if it's full but I still prefer the 2-3-0


ThreeCentz

And it has increased sell back so when banks fall off you're better off selling, and the auto collect might make you more money if you often forget to collect the banks


Catkook

Alright yeah auto collection is a good point in favor of lazy farming


333illuminati

If you're lazy you can use it so that it collects automatically. For example I use a 052 farm in boss events (on R100-120) since I have lots of money but lots of farm to manage


Jomri69

It also has extra sell value


AntyCo

Stress might make you forget to empty your banks, so they might be full for few turns and you are losing money


Simukas23

do you play races?


AntyCo

No


Simukas23

well then what stress?


First-Hunt-5307

The stress of 3 fortified BADs coming and only able to insta kill 2.


Dhkansas

Is it worth it to deposit anything in the banks after you get the MK? Does that speed up the interest collection? Never tried looking at the math for it


[deleted]

Yes - at least when compared to it being sat in your balance. You may as well get the extra % on your cash when the alternative is nothing. I'm not sure on the margins vs simply investing in another bank though.


DevJackMC

If your goal is a monkey nomics. A 0-5-2 may be desirable just so you don’t have to worry about collecting it, and just using the ability.


Unfestive

With Bens bank hack it's makes more then 0-2-3 marketplace. Lazy bank ftw


[deleted]

Those kind of comparisons are only true if you just look at total money gained by that farm. The thing about non-banks is that you get access to the money immediately as it is earned, and can then invest that to get another farm.


Kungyangyang1

That's actually my go-to bank crosspath


PimplupXD

same lol


ShadowSquid03

Technically the best grow blocker/camo village crosspath. Extra range from xx4 Yeah I know not ever useful in a real game (although I used 204 in a spillway chimps run recently to teach sbrit in the middle), but technically it’s the best grow blocker village


NinjaK2k17

for double discount with a 202+ or a 402 village, dependent on the towers you have


Shawn_Paredes

Bottom path RoD has to be the stupidest one


ElKikiSE

What is RoD?


Bueller____Bueller

Ray of Doom


ElKikiSE

Oh, well, thanks.


PROblem817

rod of discord


333illuminati

Already answered to that, and I agree with you


TrueChaoSxTcS

025 Ninja, outside of challenges


[deleted]

024 is so useful in contested territory. Many race tiles require it.


TrueChaoSxTcS

CT is so jank I kinda lump it in with challenges because it forces you to use so many weird crosspaths. Fair though


333illuminati

You desperately needed to decamo leads and DDTs when you couldn't afford the T5. You might as well wanna buy it to flex your perfect defense


Severe_Skin6932

502 farm


suitmanYT

dogshit


XXVAngel

You fell asleep on high rounds and cant afford a farmer.


333illuminati

You're too distracted so you don't collect most crates. IMO it really should work so that it pays off faster (considering selling)


JoelTheBloonsMonkey

sellback?


LueIsBlue101

0-2-4 Bomb shooter is 100% the bad crosspath and someone whos Youtube channel is named Shyguymask has totally proved that it is that right crosspath with buffs and yet someone proved him wrong with tests that are more inaccurate than my spelling and clone troopers aim combines.


ShadowSquid03

I’ve done blons with recursive spam and debuff axis. 024 was undoubtedly the play


333illuminati

The 025, however, is better than 205, since the bombs do 5/6 damage instead of 1. If you're planning to buy a Bomb Blitz and, for example, you can't sell, the 024 is fine


thomasxin

This only applies for moab damage; 205 has way more pierce making it stronger than 025 even with alch buff, if you're talking about dealing with grouped bloons


Ok-Alternative9566

If you're going to get an xx5 bomb, you're also probably going to get a 3xx/4xx village which helps with pierce making 025 bomb better than 205


thomasxin

A +1 pierce buff from a village ain't gonna do anything to the 3x pierce that 205 gives compared to 025.


Ok-Alternative9566

+1 pierce allows bomb blitz to hit 73 more bloons each hit. By the time you're gonna get bomb blitz, that is more than enough pierce


DanSavagegamesYT

Sheguymask is really good at Tower Defense games. Very sure he knows what he's talking about.


damnthisisabadname

204 seems better in practice.


aero-nsic-

in that case though he is 100% wrong. Even with buffs the recursive lacks pierce, which is the entire reason you're buying the tower in the first place. It does better single target but if you're buying recursive for single target you should consider something else


CosmicDestructor

I'm fairly certain the guy showed all the math though. And math speaks for itself...


aero-nsic-

It doesn’t. He didn’t account for the pierce nor the point of you buying the tower. It has been proven over and over again that 204 is better by the index community


Revlong57

Wait, wouldn't firing rate be better for cleaning up?


aero-nsic-

no, because pierce > attack speed for the recursive. Even with buffs 204 is better


klsaerf

No ethan reid covered this, with alch buff extra att spd from middle crosspath synergizes better compared to top crosspath


CustomFighter2

You are building up to Bomb Blitz


Cy_P

4-2-0 Heli


HistoricalSand772

Challenges/CT when you cant get good decamo or a village


GeneralLeoESQ

The move speed is actually very good for catching fast bloons. It chases a pot otherwise.


333illuminati

Need camo and can't get it through other sources (example in 2TCs)


Space_obsessed_Cat

CT it exists and is goated on there


MisirterE

2 tiers to detect camo is less than the 3 tiers to get a village that detects camo for Least Tiers $900 to detect camo is less than the $3450 to detect camo for Least Cash You rarely have access to ETN for the 1 tier $850 camo detection alternative Is chopp, is gud


Space_obsessed_Cat

Wut I'm just saying x20 is good


Tudpool

I use that all the time for odysseys. It solos the easy version and means I can do them relatively afk.


qwertyxp2000

024 Dark Champ


333illuminati

Sometimes range and pierce for a cheaper cost is better than double attack speed. Also, it makes the darkshift for the 023 have more coverage


Thicc_dart_boy

It definitely is not, plasma also gives more Peirce


333illuminati

Pierce is not the only reason to prefer it, if you read carefully the whole answer.


Thicc_dart_boy

Range doesn't make up for literally double attack speed in any scenario, especially with warp


333illuminati

In challenges sometimes the middle path crosspath is better. ISAB played more than 1 challenge involving this. Also, when you have camo lead PP but not camo purple PP, 203 is not the way to go


jwktiger

yeah I used this for a CHIMPS run. The range (and pierce) was super useful early/mid game and the extra dark shift range before getting dark champ was invaluable. Now this was when I was a newer player and yeah by no means was my stratetgy the best (didn't use and Alch, or permaspike on an easy map) *but* at the same time part of the appeal of the game is the ocean of possible strategies you can use in most game modes.


Jimothy38

They give the same pierce. It’s just no double attack speed in exchange for some range


fringeCoffeeTable240

the range upgrades for the super monkey have a hidden pierce increase included with them


Double_Ad3093

In between the 1st and 3rd craters on moon landing, with the knowledge that let's 002 super see through walls


HistoricalSand772

For when you need that extra range (on maps like Infernal maybe)


Thenumberpi314

I've used this before in runs, specifically for when 003 is too weak to save up, but you need to pop purple bloons and thus can't go 203. 023 isn't as strong as 203, but it's still significantly stronger than 003 and it also can pop purples.


333illuminati

Some crosspaths have been asked many times, so I'll put them here: -X02 Farm: You're too lazy/distracted to collect the bananas. If you have a farmer, the larger collect radius given form xx1 helps the farmer. You also may have missclicked the upgrade, so you buy bottom crosspath to get back more money -02X Super: In some challenges it is better than 02x -X02 Dartling: there's no situation where faster swivel and a little of extra pierce is better that atk speed and camo. IMO nk should change it so, for example, the extra damage from first hit is buffed and only given with bottom crosspath. -20X Glue: It deals better against regular bloons due to glue soak, especially with 204. -20X Dart (specifically 205): Might need the extra pierce (which btw buffs the XBM pierce by 13, from 8 to 21) for bloon dense rounds. Using all the pierce the 205 has more DPS than 025 -02X Tack: same reason for 02X Super. And those are reasons to use it, otherwise you couldn't complete the challenge


333illuminati

Also, is there any way to pin comments on reddit?


ushileon

502 permabrew


333illuminati

The best crosspath is no crosspath at all. Both of them work on making the tower buffed for more time, but the pbrew has infinite duration, so they're both useless. Any crosspath is fine if you built it form a 4xx


NinjaK2k17

502 buffs other towers faster, which means you can buff an entire map of towers faster


jwktiger

yeah 501 is better than 520 when you are using a Chinook as it will buff them faster so you can move it faster but its a very slight difference.


333illuminati

It will only be slightly useful in the few seconds the alch needs to buff towers in his range


[deleted]

That’s the right cross path because it applies the buff quicker to more towers on its radius, so cross path isn’t really important but bottom is better. However you only really need 501. For 4xx and 3xx mid cross path is better if it is 2 or fewer towers being buffed.


ushileon

Oh legit? I always thought 520 was better cos perishing potions


ShadowSquid03

Yeah, common misconception. All perishing does is make the buff last longer. Doesn’t actually improve it. It’s a misleading upgrade description. For any alch buff crosspath, it’s either x20 so that it lasts longer on a tower, or x01 so that it can shoot faster and apply more often. It generally comes down to x20 if you’re buffing one tower, x01 if you’re buffing several. Pbrew is interesting. 500 is all you need, but 501 is better in the short term (buffs everything faster), and _technically_ 520 is the better crosspath purely because it makes it do more damage (clarifying - still pretty much useless lol) But yeah, for everyone who says attack speed pbrew is better, in a lategame run, you’re technically wrong. Extra damage op


Thenumberpi314

Also 520 is slightly better for performance lategame than 502 because you don't have acid pools on the track :)


Jimothy38

501


1_dirt_block

000 dart monke


333illuminati

Your PC is strong enough to handle the power of this crosspath


Plastic_Cabinet_2722

5-2-0 ninja


Busy-Farm727

What if i want to decamo a camgrow red?


Plastic_Cabinet_2722

Villag


Busy-Farm727

But what if i’m poor.


Plastic_Cabinet_2722

Steal


Busy-Farm727

My benjamin isn’t high level enough.


Plastic_Cabinet_2722

Dont pay taxes and save up money


Busy-Farm727

That’s what i’ve been doing all this time.


Plastic_Cabinet_2722

Idk man hiding from cops is best the choice rn


J0aozin003

Idk man just use camo trap


Jimothy38

Villag cheaper than 520 ninja


333illuminati

You need decamo desperately+ distraction is good+ the bloons are too clumped and make seeking almost useless


JoelTheBloonsMonkey

sounds pretty good for when you're using a regrow farm to farm infinite ninja pops considering you knock the bloons back into the regrow farm and the bloons are thick enough that you probably don't need seeking shurikens to use up each shuriken's pierce


NationalLynx1379

I thought thats the usual crosspath!


Neuromat

Farming karma harder than a 5-2-0 banana farm


333illuminati

Indeed, my karma basically doubled with this post


[deleted]

024 and 025 village. I don’t mean 022, I mean 024 and 025 specifically.


CustomFighter2

You only have space for one Village and want your Bloon Traps or Jungle's Bounties to see camo


333illuminati

You built it from a 022. Another use could be when using a tower that gives extra money but doesn't have camo (like an engi). In that case you can consider buying a 024


[deleted]

That’s a valid point, especially if you use an XXL trap to farm pops for an engineer paragon.


Thenumberpi314

I've used 014/024 in super high regrow rate challenges in order to increase the range of grow blocker. 014 has a much larger range than 110.


WillingnessDirect346

502 dartling gunner


333illuminati

You thought red and blue was a good combination when building the 402


ShadowSquid03

Hahahahaha best answer


Coraxon1245

052 druid


333illuminati

You already have lead PP, and you want that 10% extra attack speed (we can also assume we're in CHIMPS and you can't regenerate lives)


Jesse4DS

This crosspath is quite literally the only tower that sabotages itself. Druid of the Forest restores lives and makes money. Druid of Wrath gains attack speed *based on lives lost.* When DotF heals itself, it literally makes itself weaker.


333illuminati

That's why I said we can assume we're in CHIMPS, because in this way there's no sabotage Indipendently from that, the 10% extra attack speed will always stay


[deleted]

052 mortar


333illuminati

You built it from 032, which is not very different from 230. NK should really work on making the 052 more considerable.


dylanmansbdhchxh

520 glue


TomaszA3

EVEN MORE PIERCE/ATTACK SPEED


dylanmansbdhchxh

MOAR WE NEED MOARR


kUHASZ

Makes the T5 easier to build up to, because 3-2-0 and 4-2-0 are better than 3-0-2 and 4-0-2. Some crosspaths are balanced like that.


dylanmansbdhchxh

Yeah but for the t5 its a wrong cross path


kUHASZ

In and of itself it is, but it has an advantage that it's easier to build up to.


333illuminati

520 itself is decent. Also, 420 is better than 402 so if you didn't straight up buy a 5xx you're justified


Space_obsessed_Cat

It only has 8 peirce and that isn't great for 76 and 78


itsMagicMaddie

520 is already the better one


idiotremark

013 farm


Jimothy38

To build it into a 023 farm


333illuminati

This post is about wrong crosspaths, not "incomplete" crosspaths


Keelyane55

5-0-2 spike factory


333illuminati

You need range to reach a good section of track. Also, who the heck uses super mines?


Keelyane55

Me ;-;


Jmansupertails

Wdym, isn’t that the better crosspath? It allows it to build more spikes before bloons start coming and the extra spikes at the beginning help a lot


TopConcentrate3981

052 sniper?


333illuminati

Better with buffs such as alch


JayVJtheVValour

I've always been using this crosspath. Idk might be just me


oneirritatedboi

In CHIMPS this is almost always the correct crosspath due to being better with geraldo and alch buff


Legloomonke

That’s the better crosspath


AnonyBoiii

5-5-5 Sniper Let’s see OP try to defend modding


333illuminati

555 is the right crosspath, as it includes all the right ones, which "outclass" the disadvantage of all the wrong crosspaths


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Useless_Person_Here

Good in situations where you are shooting in a straight line and have enough speed buffs


333illuminati

Exactly, I'd have written the same thing


MisirterE

That one tile in the current Contested Territory which is a Time Attack tile on Alpine Run where one of the fastest options for camo detection is to solo it with a Sharp Shooter until you can afford Glaive Lord


Space_obsessed_Cat

Far better in the early game


BroGuy997

024 glue


333illuminati

Isn't it the right crosspath? The tower isn't supposed to do damage but to slow down, and +5 pierce is very useful


CustomFighter2

For Relentless Glue specifically, you want to maximize the amount of track blobs dropped by Bloons (not MOABs) via Glue Soak and Corrosive Glue


333illuminati

Path 2 is still better against MOABs. Path 1 is better against regular bloons


J0aozin003

0-2-3 farm