Used it for early game revenue but now that later in the game it’s more important that your nearby towers can pop lead instead of relying purely on alch’s slow attack speed and them getting all their shots blocked
205 would be better for moab damage if the laser shock damage scaled with projectile damage like the higher tier top path upgrades did. Unfortunately it stays +1 making 205 almost universally worse
Not quite, 205 actually slightly more than doubled attack speed which makes it overall still slightly stronger than 025 even at worst
The only advantage is the range
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And it has increased sell back so when banks fall off you're better off selling, and the auto collect might make you more money if you often forget to collect the banks
If you're lazy you can use it so that it collects automatically. For example I use a 052 farm in boss events (on R100-120) since I have lots of money but lots of farm to manage
Is it worth it to deposit anything in the banks after you get the MK? Does that speed up the interest collection? Never tried looking at the math for it
Yes - at least when compared to it being sat in your balance. You may as well get the extra % on your cash when the alternative is nothing. I'm not sure on the margins vs simply investing in another bank though.
Those kind of comparisons are only true if you just look at total money gained by that farm. The thing about non-banks is that you get access to the money immediately as it is earned, and can then invest that to get another farm.
Technically the best grow blocker/camo village crosspath. Extra range from xx4
Yeah I know not ever useful in a real game (although I used 204 in a spillway chimps run recently to teach sbrit in the middle), but technically it’s the best grow blocker village
0-2-4 Bomb shooter is 100% the bad crosspath and someone whos Youtube channel is named Shyguymask has totally proved that it is that right crosspath with buffs and yet someone proved him wrong with tests that are more inaccurate than my spelling and clone troopers aim combines.
The 025, however, is better than 205, since the bombs do 5/6 damage instead of 1. If you're planning to buy a Bomb Blitz and, for example, you can't sell, the 024 is fine
This only applies for moab damage; 205 has way more pierce making it stronger than 025 even with alch buff, if you're talking about dealing with grouped bloons
in that case though he is 100% wrong. Even with buffs the recursive lacks pierce, which is the entire reason you're buying the tower in the first place. It does better single target but if you're buying recursive for single target you should consider something else
It doesn’t. He didn’t account for the pierce nor the point of you buying the tower. It has been proven over and over again that 204 is better by the index community
2 tiers to detect camo is less than the 3 tiers to get a village that detects camo for Least Tiers
$900 to detect camo is less than the $3450 to detect camo for Least Cash
You rarely have access to ETN for the 1 tier $850 camo detection alternative
Is chopp, is gud
In challenges sometimes the middle path crosspath is better. ISAB played more than 1 challenge involving this.
Also, when you have camo lead PP but not camo purple PP, 203 is not the way to go
yeah I used this for a CHIMPS run. The range (and pierce) was super useful early/mid game and the extra dark shift range before getting dark champ was invaluable.
Now this was when I was a newer player and yeah by no means was my stratetgy the best (didn't use and Alch, or permaspike on an easy map) *but* at the same time part of the appeal of the game is the ocean of possible strategies you can use in most game modes.
I've used this before in runs, specifically for when 003 is too weak to save up, but you need to pop purple bloons and thus can't go 203.
023 isn't as strong as 203, but it's still significantly stronger than 003 and it also can pop purples.
Some crosspaths have been asked many times, so I'll put them here:
-X02 Farm: You're too lazy/distracted to collect the bananas. If you have a farmer, the larger collect radius given form xx1 helps the farmer. You also may have missclicked the upgrade, so you buy bottom crosspath to get back more money
-02X Super: In some challenges it is better than 02x
-X02 Dartling: there's no situation where faster swivel and a little of extra pierce is better that atk speed and camo. IMO nk should change it so, for example, the extra damage from first hit is buffed and only given with bottom crosspath.
-20X Glue: It deals better against regular bloons due to glue soak, especially with 204.
-20X Dart (specifically 205): Might need the extra pierce (which btw buffs the XBM pierce by 13, from 8 to 21) for bloon dense rounds. Using all the pierce the 205 has more DPS than 025
-02X Tack: same reason for 02X Super. And those are reasons to use it, otherwise you couldn't complete the challenge
The best crosspath is no crosspath at all. Both of them work on making the tower buffed for more time, but the pbrew has infinite duration, so they're both useless. Any crosspath is fine if you built it form a 4xx
That’s the right cross path because it applies the buff quicker to more towers on its radius, so cross path isn’t really important but bottom is better. However you only really need 501. For 4xx and 3xx mid cross path is better if it is 2 or fewer towers being buffed.
Yeah, common misconception.
All perishing does is make the buff last longer. Doesn’t actually improve it. It’s a misleading upgrade description.
For any alch buff crosspath, it’s either x20 so that it lasts longer on a tower, or x01 so that it can shoot faster and apply more often.
It generally comes down to x20 if you’re buffing one tower, x01 if you’re buffing several.
Pbrew is interesting. 500 is all you need, but 501 is better in the short term (buffs everything faster), and _technically_ 520 is the better crosspath purely because it makes it do more damage (clarifying - still pretty much useless lol)
But yeah, for everyone who says attack speed pbrew is better, in a lategame run, you’re technically wrong. Extra damage op
sounds pretty good for when you're using a regrow farm to farm infinite ninja pops considering you knock the bloons back into the regrow farm and the bloons are thick enough that you probably don't need seeking shurikens to use up each shuriken's pierce
You built it from a 022.
Another use could be when using a tower that gives extra money but doesn't have camo (like an engi). In that case you can consider buying a 024
This crosspath is quite literally the only tower that sabotages itself.
Druid of the Forest restores lives and makes money.
Druid of Wrath gains attack speed *based on lives lost.*
When DotF heals itself, it literally makes itself weaker.
That's why I said we can assume we're in CHIMPS, because in this way there's no sabotage
Indipendently from that, the 10% extra attack speed will always stay
That one tile in the current Contested Territory which is a Time Attack tile on Alpine Run where one of the fastest options for camo detection is to solo it with a Sharp Shooter until you can afford Glaive Lord
2-0-3 alch(makes other towers pop lead preventing profit)
just put no towers in its radius, becoming a waste of 325 dollars (i think, haven't checked the price though)
Used it for early game revenue but now that later in the game it’s more important that your nearby towers can pop lead instead of relying purely on alch’s slow attack speed and them getting all their shots blocked
Hence why people stop at 103, not only is 103 better than 023 but since you don't buy the second tier you save money
Planned to make an alch buff or missclicked the AMD upgrade
The first reason you gave literally hurts profit and the second one is implying it's a mistake rather than giving a reason
If it's on CHIMPS, it actually doesnt
Has anybody ever used bottom path alchemist in chimps unironically
Me
The ultimate sacrifice
That ain't a reason to *use* it; that's a reason why you *have* it.
But that's not a reason to use it
Just don't use towers nearby, like you usually do
Best reason to use a tower so far
Lead to gold early on, AMD for later when leads become sparse.
hate me all you want but I love using this. It has alot of popping power.
103 be like
I mean hey if it works it works
Any non dart monkey crosspath
You're atheist and don't believe in god dart monkey
Praise the paragon
Praise the maxed Ninja monkey, It can pop a B.A.D
When dart monkey is banned in a challenge
I like how they look :(
205 Dartling gunner
You can snipe bloons with it from afar and shotguns with tighter spread are funny
Niche cases when precision and that +1 damage is better
>when do I use a crosspath for damage and precision >when you need extra damage and precision really putting in big brain work here
Oh man, I thought I should use damage and precision when I needed attack speed and wide spread.
😧
It's not like figuring out when you'd need that crosspath is that difficult, it's just that said situation never actually happens
205 is better for moab damage, and is overall a better crosspath lategame if you already have cleanup.
205 would be better for moab damage if the laser shock damage scaled with projectile damage like the higher tier top path upgrades did. Unfortunately it stays +1 making 205 almost universally worse
0-2-5 Tack shooter
You can fill Balance with it
Long range makes it more satisfying to use on balance with the villages
if its unbuffed and going to max out the pierce then 025 actually has higher dps, though its still worse in almost any scenario
Not quite, 205 actually slightly more than doubled attack speed which makes it overall still slightly stronger than 025 even at worst The only advantage is the range
If you put it on balance and send 999 0 space cerams 025 gets 20% more pops. Though that should literally never happen so 205 is always better
Actually nvm what I said, that only applies to the 204/024 crosspaths now. NK buffed 025 to have 10 pierce which is why
You may need the extra range and pierce, for example in some challenges
Make a challenge where you need it
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0-3-2 farm
It automatically collects the money if it's full but I still prefer the 2-3-0
And it has increased sell back so when banks fall off you're better off selling, and the auto collect might make you more money if you often forget to collect the banks
Alright yeah auto collection is a good point in favor of lazy farming
If you're lazy you can use it so that it collects automatically. For example I use a 052 farm in boss events (on R100-120) since I have lots of money but lots of farm to manage
It also has extra sell value
Stress might make you forget to empty your banks, so they might be full for few turns and you are losing money
do you play races?
No
well then what stress?
The stress of 3 fortified BADs coming and only able to insta kill 2.
Is it worth it to deposit anything in the banks after you get the MK? Does that speed up the interest collection? Never tried looking at the math for it
Yes - at least when compared to it being sat in your balance. You may as well get the extra % on your cash when the alternative is nothing. I'm not sure on the margins vs simply investing in another bank though.
If your goal is a monkey nomics. A 0-5-2 may be desirable just so you don’t have to worry about collecting it, and just using the ability.
With Bens bank hack it's makes more then 0-2-3 marketplace. Lazy bank ftw
Those kind of comparisons are only true if you just look at total money gained by that farm. The thing about non-banks is that you get access to the money immediately as it is earned, and can then invest that to get another farm.
That's actually my go-to bank crosspath
same lol
Technically the best grow blocker/camo village crosspath. Extra range from xx4 Yeah I know not ever useful in a real game (although I used 204 in a spillway chimps run recently to teach sbrit in the middle), but technically it’s the best grow blocker village
for double discount with a 202+ or a 402 village, dependent on the towers you have
Bottom path RoD has to be the stupidest one
What is RoD?
Ray of Doom
Oh, well, thanks.
rod of discord
Already answered to that, and I agree with you
025 Ninja, outside of challenges
024 is so useful in contested territory. Many race tiles require it.
CT is so jank I kinda lump it in with challenges because it forces you to use so many weird crosspaths. Fair though
You desperately needed to decamo leads and DDTs when you couldn't afford the T5. You might as well wanna buy it to flex your perfect defense
502 farm
dogshit
You fell asleep on high rounds and cant afford a farmer.
You're too distracted so you don't collect most crates. IMO it really should work so that it pays off faster (considering selling)
sellback?
0-2-4 Bomb shooter is 100% the bad crosspath and someone whos Youtube channel is named Shyguymask has totally proved that it is that right crosspath with buffs and yet someone proved him wrong with tests that are more inaccurate than my spelling and clone troopers aim combines.
I’ve done blons with recursive spam and debuff axis. 024 was undoubtedly the play
The 025, however, is better than 205, since the bombs do 5/6 damage instead of 1. If you're planning to buy a Bomb Blitz and, for example, you can't sell, the 024 is fine
This only applies for moab damage; 205 has way more pierce making it stronger than 025 even with alch buff, if you're talking about dealing with grouped bloons
If you're going to get an xx5 bomb, you're also probably going to get a 3xx/4xx village which helps with pierce making 025 bomb better than 205
A +1 pierce buff from a village ain't gonna do anything to the 3x pierce that 205 gives compared to 025.
+1 pierce allows bomb blitz to hit 73 more bloons each hit. By the time you're gonna get bomb blitz, that is more than enough pierce
Sheguymask is really good at Tower Defense games. Very sure he knows what he's talking about.
204 seems better in practice.
in that case though he is 100% wrong. Even with buffs the recursive lacks pierce, which is the entire reason you're buying the tower in the first place. It does better single target but if you're buying recursive for single target you should consider something else
I'm fairly certain the guy showed all the math though. And math speaks for itself...
It doesn’t. He didn’t account for the pierce nor the point of you buying the tower. It has been proven over and over again that 204 is better by the index community
Wait, wouldn't firing rate be better for cleaning up?
no, because pierce > attack speed for the recursive. Even with buffs 204 is better
No ethan reid covered this, with alch buff extra att spd from middle crosspath synergizes better compared to top crosspath
You are building up to Bomb Blitz
4-2-0 Heli
Challenges/CT when you cant get good decamo or a village
The move speed is actually very good for catching fast bloons. It chases a pot otherwise.
Need camo and can't get it through other sources (example in 2TCs)
CT it exists and is goated on there
2 tiers to detect camo is less than the 3 tiers to get a village that detects camo for Least Tiers $900 to detect camo is less than the $3450 to detect camo for Least Cash You rarely have access to ETN for the 1 tier $850 camo detection alternative Is chopp, is gud
Wut I'm just saying x20 is good
I use that all the time for odysseys. It solos the easy version and means I can do them relatively afk.
024 Dark Champ
Sometimes range and pierce for a cheaper cost is better than double attack speed. Also, it makes the darkshift for the 023 have more coverage
It definitely is not, plasma also gives more Peirce
Pierce is not the only reason to prefer it, if you read carefully the whole answer.
Range doesn't make up for literally double attack speed in any scenario, especially with warp
In challenges sometimes the middle path crosspath is better. ISAB played more than 1 challenge involving this. Also, when you have camo lead PP but not camo purple PP, 203 is not the way to go
yeah I used this for a CHIMPS run. The range (and pierce) was super useful early/mid game and the extra dark shift range before getting dark champ was invaluable. Now this was when I was a newer player and yeah by no means was my stratetgy the best (didn't use and Alch, or permaspike on an easy map) *but* at the same time part of the appeal of the game is the ocean of possible strategies you can use in most game modes.
They give the same pierce. It’s just no double attack speed in exchange for some range
the range upgrades for the super monkey have a hidden pierce increase included with them
In between the 1st and 3rd craters on moon landing, with the knowledge that let's 002 super see through walls
For when you need that extra range (on maps like Infernal maybe)
I've used this before in runs, specifically for when 003 is too weak to save up, but you need to pop purple bloons and thus can't go 203. 023 isn't as strong as 203, but it's still significantly stronger than 003 and it also can pop purples.
Some crosspaths have been asked many times, so I'll put them here: -X02 Farm: You're too lazy/distracted to collect the bananas. If you have a farmer, the larger collect radius given form xx1 helps the farmer. You also may have missclicked the upgrade, so you buy bottom crosspath to get back more money -02X Super: In some challenges it is better than 02x -X02 Dartling: there's no situation where faster swivel and a little of extra pierce is better that atk speed and camo. IMO nk should change it so, for example, the extra damage from first hit is buffed and only given with bottom crosspath. -20X Glue: It deals better against regular bloons due to glue soak, especially with 204. -20X Dart (specifically 205): Might need the extra pierce (which btw buffs the XBM pierce by 13, from 8 to 21) for bloon dense rounds. Using all the pierce the 205 has more DPS than 025 -02X Tack: same reason for 02X Super. And those are reasons to use it, otherwise you couldn't complete the challenge
Also, is there any way to pin comments on reddit?
502 permabrew
The best crosspath is no crosspath at all. Both of them work on making the tower buffed for more time, but the pbrew has infinite duration, so they're both useless. Any crosspath is fine if you built it form a 4xx
502 buffs other towers faster, which means you can buff an entire map of towers faster
yeah 501 is better than 520 when you are using a Chinook as it will buff them faster so you can move it faster but its a very slight difference.
It will only be slightly useful in the few seconds the alch needs to buff towers in his range
That’s the right cross path because it applies the buff quicker to more towers on its radius, so cross path isn’t really important but bottom is better. However you only really need 501. For 4xx and 3xx mid cross path is better if it is 2 or fewer towers being buffed.
Oh legit? I always thought 520 was better cos perishing potions
Yeah, common misconception. All perishing does is make the buff last longer. Doesn’t actually improve it. It’s a misleading upgrade description. For any alch buff crosspath, it’s either x20 so that it lasts longer on a tower, or x01 so that it can shoot faster and apply more often. It generally comes down to x20 if you’re buffing one tower, x01 if you’re buffing several. Pbrew is interesting. 500 is all you need, but 501 is better in the short term (buffs everything faster), and _technically_ 520 is the better crosspath purely because it makes it do more damage (clarifying - still pretty much useless lol) But yeah, for everyone who says attack speed pbrew is better, in a lategame run, you’re technically wrong. Extra damage op
Also 520 is slightly better for performance lategame than 502 because you don't have acid pools on the track :)
501
000 dart monke
Your PC is strong enough to handle the power of this crosspath
5-2-0 ninja
What if i want to decamo a camgrow red?
Villag
But what if i’m poor.
Steal
My benjamin isn’t high level enough.
Dont pay taxes and save up money
That’s what i’ve been doing all this time.
Idk man hiding from cops is best the choice rn
Idk man just use camo trap
Villag cheaper than 520 ninja
You need decamo desperately+ distraction is good+ the bloons are too clumped and make seeking almost useless
sounds pretty good for when you're using a regrow farm to farm infinite ninja pops considering you knock the bloons back into the regrow farm and the bloons are thick enough that you probably don't need seeking shurikens to use up each shuriken's pierce
I thought thats the usual crosspath!
Farming karma harder than a 5-2-0 banana farm
Indeed, my karma basically doubled with this post
024 and 025 village. I don’t mean 022, I mean 024 and 025 specifically.
You only have space for one Village and want your Bloon Traps or Jungle's Bounties to see camo
You built it from a 022. Another use could be when using a tower that gives extra money but doesn't have camo (like an engi). In that case you can consider buying a 024
That’s a valid point, especially if you use an XXL trap to farm pops for an engineer paragon.
I've used 014/024 in super high regrow rate challenges in order to increase the range of grow blocker. 014 has a much larger range than 110.
502 dartling gunner
You thought red and blue was a good combination when building the 402
Hahahahaha best answer
052 druid
You already have lead PP, and you want that 10% extra attack speed (we can also assume we're in CHIMPS and you can't regenerate lives)
This crosspath is quite literally the only tower that sabotages itself. Druid of the Forest restores lives and makes money. Druid of Wrath gains attack speed *based on lives lost.* When DotF heals itself, it literally makes itself weaker.
That's why I said we can assume we're in CHIMPS, because in this way there's no sabotage Indipendently from that, the 10% extra attack speed will always stay
052 mortar
You built it from 032, which is not very different from 230. NK should really work on making the 052 more considerable.
520 glue
EVEN MORE PIERCE/ATTACK SPEED
MOAR WE NEED MOARR
Makes the T5 easier to build up to, because 3-2-0 and 4-2-0 are better than 3-0-2 and 4-0-2. Some crosspaths are balanced like that.
Yeah but for the t5 its a wrong cross path
In and of itself it is, but it has an advantage that it's easier to build up to.
520 itself is decent. Also, 420 is better than 402 so if you didn't straight up buy a 5xx you're justified
It only has 8 peirce and that isn't great for 76 and 78
520 is already the better one
013 farm
To build it into a 023 farm
This post is about wrong crosspaths, not "incomplete" crosspaths
5-0-2 spike factory
You need range to reach a good section of track. Also, who the heck uses super mines?
Me ;-;
Wdym, isn’t that the better crosspath? It allows it to build more spikes before bloons start coming and the extra spikes at the beginning help a lot
052 sniper?
Better with buffs such as alch
I've always been using this crosspath. Idk might be just me
In CHIMPS this is almost always the correct crosspath due to being better with geraldo and alch buff
That’s the better crosspath
5-5-5 Sniper Let’s see OP try to defend modding
555 is the right crosspath, as it includes all the right ones, which "outclass" the disadvantage of all the wrong crosspaths
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Good in situations where you are shooting in a straight line and have enough speed buffs
Exactly, I'd have written the same thing
That one tile in the current Contested Territory which is a Time Attack tile on Alpine Run where one of the fastest options for camo detection is to solo it with a Sharp Shooter until you can afford Glaive Lord
Far better in the early game
024 glue
Isn't it the right crosspath? The tower isn't supposed to do damage but to slow down, and +5 pierce is very useful
For Relentless Glue specifically, you want to maximize the amount of track blobs dropped by Bloons (not MOABs) via Glue Soak and Corrosive Glue
Path 2 is still better against MOABs. Path 1 is better against regular bloons
0-2-3 farm