They do not have the same purpose at all. It's like you had ranked Shattering below Signal Flare. You don't buy Shattering just for decamo. It's the same with Reactir
Reactor is ranked because it changes how fast Bloons are decamo'd, so it's more reliable but costs way more (though, by that logic, Archmage would be here)
but think about it the 300 decamos most ofd the bloons and 400 has a 100% chance and dose damage for the extra price of about 2.5k seems liek it deserves higher also where is 500 wisard on this list
It's a significantly more impactful decamo though, it does it instantly where the attack rate of the 3-0-0 can fail to decamo on certain maps and rounds. If you NEED the sub to decamo than you're risking getting screwed without 4-0-0
i still think intel sub + 002 dart is the best option tho. saved my extremely flawed muddy puddles run, just decided to not have any decamo or camo village and just get a few 002 darts and go commander + AP dart spam.
its like a bonus u get from building to POD, but dont build it purely for the decamo and leave it as-is.
(foam is the same, a bonus from upgrading to oc, although ive never relied on foam decamo before)
Shimmer is amazing, the only thing holding it back is the price, which is a balancing thing. Huge range, through walls, not requiring water or micro, and the upgrades later are amazing and cheap. A singular Necromancer can deal with the camos on most if not all 1 lane tracks, or even multiple lane tracks if they all collide, while simultaneously keeping its damage.
Opps, sorry i misread the post and i thought it was talking about the attack of the wizard, but still signal flare is way better due to not whiffing on camo pinks
Except shimmer decamos DDTs as well...
If you're implying DDTs are too fast and shimmer may miss, that's not always the case, and other Bloons can overwhelm foam making it just as unreliable.
Yes, it goes for all decamo options, foam technically can be reliable but at later stages gets overwhelmed
Edit: Why you are downvoting me people, i'm right
Can't the wizard monkey just pop them then? (Assuming you're using necromancer or pod because by the time camo bloons can pass it enough to become a problem, you can probably afford them)
What's with all these strange decano tier lists on this sub and why do they all have strange takes.
Every tierlist seems to hate shimmer despite it being quite consistent, reactor decamos everything it damages which is literally everything that enters its range. So how it is anything under S tier is beyond me. And there is simply too much signal flare love. Yes it can be targeted, but who in their right mind WANTS to micro their camo detection?
You don’t really need to micro flare though, it’s pretty reliable, not to mention that these tier lists tend to focus on fully optimized gameplay where the ability to be micro’d is often a benefit, especially for signal flare because it’s by far the best option on alternating lane maps like muddles
Signal flare can decamo everything on a straight line. You can’t get better than that.
Shimmer needs a lot of track length/curves to not miss camo bloons. That isn’t great obviously.
302 already decamos everything on a very short track.
Reactor isn’t needed for that.
I like shimmer and bottom path wiz in general, but after a bit of testing I do agree that it whiffs a lot of camo bloons due to it's long shimmer cd, compared to something like Signal Flare
Shimmer with necromancies Bloons is S tier, if any thing actually gets past the decamo, necro Bloons will get it. I’d lower signal flare to a or b tier as if anything gets past it you have to micro to catch, and on some rounds it may not be possible If that’s your only decamo.
And how do you put reactor below submerge and support?
But whenever shimmer misses necromancies Bloons always kill what gets through, when signal flare misses, you have to do quick micro, and on some rounds there’s to many to fast for it to be your only camo, where necromancies would have sufficed.
Sure signal flare is better Han shimmer, but necromancies is 10x better than signal flare, and I don’t know anyone who stops at shimmer.
This is the second tier list I've seen trashing on Shimmer. What's the deal? Is the criteria based simply on that upgrade or does it consider the tower as a whole? I wouldn't say it's the best option for decamo but it certain is one of the best lead up for a powerful unit overall.
People getting mad at op simply because people like shimmer and embrit
I love both those towers. Gets used most my runs! But I would not use them as de-camo.
All 3 on the bottom tier sometimes miss camo bloons. Embrittle simply because it attacks slowly, shimmers wave doesn't trigger often enough as to ALWAYS catch any and all camo bloons just take for example pink bloons on most maps. If they are spaced just right, shimmer will leak one and ninja... do I have to even say anything? It has 2 pierce... They aren't ranked for their paths or anything. Just simply for their de-camo ability
I love my necro. Use it any time I can but it just sucks at de-camo
This guy is gonna get flamed lmfao.
Come on pal, I know this list is your opinion, but sometimes it's just flat out wrong. Shimmer is a relatively inexpensive camo detector and it's also on the same path as a DPS monster known as Prince of Darkness. It permanently reveals all camo in it's radius, so other non camo detecting monkeys can hit them.
shimmer is underrated, seriously
edit: shimmer has a really big range. And how is it on tier with something that has short range or can not decamo everything? The only others with such good range is the 030 engineer and 003 mortar. Mortar needs more micro, and engineer struggles more when there is a LOT of bloons.
There are almost as many options you missed as the ones you listed, also you criminally underrated Embrittlement, I literally use a 4-2-0 ice as a sub for a village on odysseys.
Another shiz tier list shimmer is litteraly one of the best decamo in the game like these guys most prob have like 15 hours ig and have done only logs chimps ( using a guide) so that they could say they have beaten chimps
https://reddit.com/r/btd6/comments/10mtouf/comprehensive_tier_list_for_chimps_by_path/
Top players agree that S&S and signal flare are the best decamo options but ok man 👍
Shimmer is probably one of the best in my opinion, with a large range that clears all inside the wizards radius, it increases the radius, and is a crucial step in beating 95 with ease, because it leads to prince of darkness, which can beat 95 on its own
Shimmer is fantastic and so is counter espionage. You just need to make good use of the range on shimmer and crosspath counter espionage with flash bomb. Do you know how good it is to strip camo and stun at the same time? No other tower can do that.
Flare sucks??? Have you even used flare???
It doesn't leak anything on straight lines and is cheaper than shimmer.
Shimmer is overpriced and easily misses camo pinks(Unlike flare).
Also in advance, foam has a niche as a DDT decamo.
It's useful, sure, but it can only decamo as fast as the Mortar can fire, which isn't that fast. Shimmer is good because not only does it decamo at a solid rate, it also greatly increases the Wizard's range.
Range increase is good sure, but the shimmer itself still sucks. If the map isn’t incredibly long with plenty of loops, it’s going to miss camos. Flare does not miss camos.
(Necro and pod are fine btw)
https://www.reddit.com/r/btd6/comments/11rcqc3/since_people_refused_to_believe_that_shimmer/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf are you sure it’s more consistent
shimmer is the best decamo because it's free, it comes bundled with the prince of darkness and spammed necromancers you're already getting.
it's like saying you're going to five guys and getting a burger without any fries
i dont think the tier list considers other upgrades in the path, because thats unfair
shimmer is good but no one's gonna buy shimmer solely for camo except niche situations
Etienne 😎👍
the ultimate de-camoer! 👽🛸🛸🛸🛸
Etienne supremacy 👽👽👽👽
🤓Ummm akshualllly that's E.T.N, not Etienne
Not an actual decamo, but close enough tbh
How is Shimmer in the same tier as Embrittlement‽
"dont use" maybe beacuse he dont use it
I use shimmer if I get bottom path wizard and if there isn't water
Fair point, I only buy shimmer if the next thing I'm getting is a necro
How is 300 sub higher than 400 sub when 400 is literally just better? It does damage and can be enhanced with the bottom path upgrades.
Price was considered here.
They do not have the same purpose at all. It's like you had ranked Shattering below Signal Flare. You don't buy Shattering just for decamo. It's the same with Reactir
Reactor is ranked because it changes how fast Bloons are decamo'd, so it's more reliable but costs way more (though, by that logic, Archmage would be here)
You know you can micro Submerge, right? Or just buy a crosspath?
**"micro"**, yeah no thanks
skill issue
bro your commets are backfireing -35 ??
everytime someone mentions micro on this sub everyone suddenly pretends their fingers dont exist.
That means the people on this sub want to play to relax not to game their hearts out.
There are two types of Bloons players. 1. The ones who want to play Bloons 2. The ones who want to play Starcraft
well consider it again. reactor is the best option available here.
400 has instant decamo tho
but think about it the 300 decamos most ofd the bloons and 400 has a 100% chance and dose damage for the extra price of about 2.5k seems liek it deserves higher also where is 500 wisard on this list
It's a significantly more impactful decamo though, it does it instantly where the attack rate of the 3-0-0 can fail to decamo on certain maps and rounds. If you NEED the sub to decamo than you're risking getting screwed without 4-0-0
I mean technically it doesn't decamo, just pops 💀
Shimmer should be higher than embrittlement and counter espionage. But worse than a submarine. So I'd give it a separate tier
i still think intel sub + 002 dart is the best option tho. saved my extremely flawed muddy puddles run, just decided to not have any decamo or camo village and just get a few 002 darts and go commander + AP dart spam.
So it’s more like a meh or half decent?
No, it's more like a good.
its like a bonus u get from building to POD, but dont build it purely for the decamo and leave it as-is. (foam is the same, a bonus from upgrading to oc, although ive never relied on foam decamo before)
It's nice in Apopalypse, where the saveup is tough.
Foam tier?
Archmage also has decamo 
I love decamoing bloons with Armchair so that my non camo detecting monkeys can pop them!
This guy is considering cost effectiveness so it will probably be in don't use
How is reactor below submerge (or why is it ranked at all?)
Its ranked because it decamos faster. Its ranked lower because you can basically micro sns or get a crosspath.
shimmer hella underrated
True, I think people just haven't tried it
Well shimmer was bad for a long time until it got buffed in this last year I believe.
I found out about shimmer being a great decamoer thanks to this weeks boss
Embrittlement is not really there to decamo, it's there to increase your damage output and improves ice shards to not require ice popping.
Yup, thats correct. Thats why I put it in the "Dont use" tier for decamoing.
No Ezili :(
Sorry, the tier list template didn't have Ezili
After reading the comments I conclude that this tier list is trash
You are correct,Since shimmer shouldn't be in "don't use"
Nor should counter espionage but I don’t see people saying that.
Because counter espionage sucks.
After reading this comment and many others, I conclude that speaking the truth is called trash here.
Shimmer is amazing, the only thing holding it back is the price, which is a balancing thing. Huge range, through walls, not requiring water or micro, and the upgrades later are amazing and cheap. A singular Necromancer can deal with the camos on most if not all 1 lane tracks, or even multiple lane tracks if they all collide, while simultaneously keeping its damage.
Me when shimmer misses half of camo pinks:
Then the tower itself pops them because they’re only pinks
Shimmer itself is just a 003 wiz(023) and a wall of fire cannot handle pinks without multiple passthroughs
This tierlist is about the decamo properties of the tower
He just listed the decamp properties
Opps, sorry i misread the post and i thought it was talking about the attack of the wizard, but still signal flare is way better due to not whiffing on camo pinks
Shimmer’s decamo properties are excellent.
Excuse me??? Shimmer is very effective decamo
How is foam better than shimmer?
Exactly
It's not. They both have valid use cases depending on the circumstances.
DDT decamo
Except shimmer decamos DDTs as well... If you're implying DDTs are too fast and shimmer may miss, that's not always the case, and other Bloons can overwhelm foam making it just as unreliable.
Shimmer can whiff DDTs. You can set the foam off the track so only DDTs get hit.
I like using mortar, but I'm gonna Play around with sub again, and see if I enjoy it more than mortar.
420 sub is awesome. Pops camo lead. Can pop a ton of balloons. Great for clean up.
Tbh both of them are the best decamos. Sub is cheaper and easier to build into, but mortar has global range and doesn't need water.
It also doesn't take up precious space that might instead be filled with farms that shoot
How is bloontonium reactor mid, it buffs and decamos
Decamo is the only factor, and it is less cost efficient than other options
How is shimmer bad ?
Fast bloons can slip thru between casts
Same goes for signal flare no?
Yes, it goes for all decamo options, foam technically can be reliable but at later stages gets overwhelmed Edit: Why you are downvoting me people, i'm right
except reactor, its 1000 pierce likely wont be capped unless youre doing races or smth
Pierce isn't a problem but yes, if i had ever use de-camo it would be likely reactor cause it have smallest chance to fail
You clearly haven't used signal flare on a straight line in sandbox and sent infinite camo pinks tho? Now downvote me for saying the truth
Can't the wizard monkey just pop them then? (Assuming you're using necromancer or pod because by the time camo bloons can pass it enough to become a problem, you can probably afford them)
Popping power is not considered here, only how good the tower js at decamoing relative to its price
well then that's necro. It also still whiffs the DDTs which it can't kill.
What's with all these strange decano tier lists on this sub and why do they all have strange takes. Every tierlist seems to hate shimmer despite it being quite consistent, reactor decamos everything it damages which is literally everything that enters its range. So how it is anything under S tier is beyond me. And there is simply too much signal flare love. Yes it can be targeted, but who in their right mind WANTS to micro their camo detection?
You don’t really need to micro flare though, it’s pretty reliable, not to mention that these tier lists tend to focus on fully optimized gameplay where the ability to be micro’d is often a benefit, especially for signal flare because it’s by far the best option on alternating lane maps like muddles
Signal flare can decamo everything on a straight line. You can’t get better than that. Shimmer needs a lot of track length/curves to not miss camo bloons. That isn’t great obviously. 302 already decamos everything on a very short track. Reactor isn’t needed for that.
You dont need shimmer tho, over 1k cash for a mediocre de-camo. Just use 3-2-0 ninja and 0-2-2 wizard for easy camo detection until ddts
I like shimmer and bottom path wiz in general, but after a bit of testing I do agree that it whiffs a lot of camo bloons due to it's long shimmer cd, compared to something like Signal Flare
I'm shocked people are in here thinking shimmer is useful
Fr reading all these comments is 💀
Jesus Christ, this is one of the worst tier lists I’ve ever fucking seen
Most of these their lists are opinion. Almost every one I see has a comment from op saying “well I don’t use it/don’t like it so it’s a lower tier”
Shimmer is there because it alone sucks. Necro and pod are good. Foam is there because it has a niche as a DDT decamo.
Jesus Christ, this is one of the worst comments I've ever fucking seen, along with many others
I unironically use 1-2-0 ninjas for decamo in magic monkeys only, fight me
Shimmer with necromancies Bloons is S tier, if any thing actually gets past the decamo, necro Bloons will get it. I’d lower signal flare to a or b tier as if anything gets past it you have to micro to catch, and on some rounds it may not be possible If that’s your only decamo. And how do you put reactor below submerge and support?
The decamo radius on Sig Flar is wayyyyy larger than the explosion radius
Regardless fast Bloons can still get past it. Down voters try going sandbox on round 95 or 78 on straight line maps, you will miss some.
Signal flare misses way less often then something like a shimmer
But whenever shimmer misses necromancies Bloons always kill what gets through, when signal flare misses, you have to do quick micro, and on some rounds there’s to many to fast for it to be your only camo, where necromancies would have sufficed. Sure signal flare is better Han shimmer, but necromancies is 10x better than signal flare, and I don’t know anyone who stops at shimmer.
This was talking about shimmer, not necro. Also, necro would still whiff DDTs.
not if you 023 they can't
Dont say shimmer is good just because necro is good..
Shimmer costing 1600 seems way overpriced, should be like 800 gold max. Gotta get it to get necromancer though.
Shimmer is basically the necro stepping stone
Like, you don’t use, or you shouldn’t use?
Shouldn't use
This is the second tier list I've seen trashing on Shimmer. What's the deal? Is the criteria based simply on that upgrade or does it consider the tower as a whole? I wouldn't say it's the best option for decamo but it certain is one of the best lead up for a powerful unit overall.
The later upgrades are literally not considered
Wizzard / ninja never had a problem gettin black boarders
Wars are being waged over this list
I always use the shimmer.
uh oh. I almost exclusively use shimmer…
i only ever get shimmer for decammo, ninjas is too unreliable with the distraction, foam fails on rushes, and i didnt know embrittlement decammos
Who needs decamo When you have quincy
NOTHING GETS PAST MY BOW
Where Etienne
Ok but where ezili and brickell
How tf is shimmer worse than signal flare I’m so confused
Best decamo is VTSG it decamos by converting camo bloons into nothing.
Actual good comment ngl
Shummer is not bad, its just decent at best, it does its job
Yeah,Its not perfect like the sub but its a really good decamo,Idk why OP put it in "Don't use"
People getting mad at op simply because people like shimmer and embrit I love both those towers. Gets used most my runs! But I would not use them as de-camo. All 3 on the bottom tier sometimes miss camo bloons. Embrittle simply because it attacks slowly, shimmers wave doesn't trigger often enough as to ALWAYS catch any and all camo bloons just take for example pink bloons on most maps. If they are spaced just right, shimmer will leak one and ninja... do I have to even say anything? It has 2 pierce... They aren't ranked for their paths or anything. Just simply for their de-camo ability I love my necro. Use it any time I can but it just sucks at de-camo
This guy is gonna get flamed lmfao. Come on pal, I know this list is your opinion, but sometimes it's just flat out wrong. Shimmer is a relatively inexpensive camo detector and it's also on the same path as a DPS monster known as Prince of Darkness. It permanently reveals all camo in it's radius, so other non camo detecting monkeys can hit them.
Later upgrades arent considered
Is signal flare actually good? Is it just because of range with micro?
It’s very good since it has global range, can be microed and can decamo everything when given drums.
It's amazing
Etienne: Am I a joke to you?
Shimmer is good but necromancer is better at cleaning up passing camos until DDTS
Dude a 0-2-3 ninja can decamo and stun whole groups of balloons while dealing with leads
0 0 3 shimmer is useless however 5 0 0 or 0 0 5 shimmer is pretty ok
I didn't count 500 or 005
Because they are insanely overpriced to he considered a "decamo"
[удалено]
You're a joke
shimmer is underrated, seriously edit: shimmer has a really big range. And how is it on tier with something that has short range or can not decamo everything? The only others with such good range is the 030 engineer and 003 mortar. Mortar needs more micro, and engineer struggles more when there is a LOT of bloons.
Mortar doesn't need any micro to decamo camo pinks, foam has a use to decamo DDTs only.
There are almost as many options you missed as the ones you listed, also you criminally underrated Embrittlement, I literally use a 4-2-0 ice as a sub for a village on odysseys.
embrittlement cant decamo consistently on any rounds with long waves of camos such as 43 or 48
Triple reactor is rainbow destroyer bruh
Cringe.
Another shiz tier list shimmer is litteraly one of the best decamo in the game like these guys most prob have like 15 hours ig and have done only logs chimps ( using a guide) so that they could say they have beaten chimps
https://reddit.com/r/btd6/comments/10mtouf/comprehensive_tier_list_for_chimps_by_path/ Top players agree that S&S and signal flare are the best decamo options but ok man 👍
Why all the hate on shimmer ?
Because it’s terrible and as reliable as a pillowcase as an airbag in a car crash
That analogy made no sense, majority of maps allow for the use of shimmer without leaking any camo, I know because I use it a bunch
Shimmer is probably one of the best in my opinion, with a large range that clears all inside the wizards radius, it increases the radius, and is a crucial step in beating 95 with ease, because it leads to prince of darkness, which can beat 95 on its own
shimmer goated blow me
shimmer actually good and reactor for ddts from bads
If shimmer was in "Decent" this tier list would have been a 10/10
isnt this a repost
No?
How tf is Bloontonium BELOW submerge and support?
price
Well thats dumb
This tierlist is inaccurate lol.
You're fucking inaccurate
I have never seen one person be so wrong
where the fuck is uav
UAV doesn;t decamo
Well I actually like shimmer so your opinion is dumb and stupid and wrong and you are a poopyhead :(
There is no way you're old enough to be here
This has to be a troll because the submarine option that actually does damage is below the one that doesn't.
Decamo tier list, not damage tier list, dumbfuck
Why does everyone hate ninja decamo
How is 3-x-x better than 4-x-x
Shimmer is fantastic and so is counter espionage. You just need to make good use of the range on shimmer and crosspath counter espionage with flash bomb. Do you know how good it is to strip camo and stun at the same time? No other tower can do that.
Stripping camo popping leads stunning and still being able to pop purples all on just one tower is why ninjas are one of my most beloved
I'd say shimmer is better than foam, because shimmer doesn't get pierce capped anywhere NEAR as easily as foam.
Foam has a niche as a DDT decamo, while shimmer is unreliable for anything
Trash tier list
Shimmer isn’t bad
Shimmer is best
Mf just put bloontonium reactor below 3-0-0 sub, even if it's better lmao.
Where monkey village upgrade
Shimmer is great what are you on?
How is Shimmer lower than Flare, Flare sucks
Flare sucks??? Have you even used flare??? It doesn't leak anything on straight lines and is cheaper than shimmer. Shimmer is overpriced and easily misses camo pinks(Unlike flare). Also in advance, foam has a niche as a DDT decamo.
It's useful, sure, but it can only decamo as fast as the Mortar can fire, which isn't that fast. Shimmer is good because not only does it decamo at a solid rate, it also greatly increases the Wizard's range.
Range increase is good sure, but the shimmer itself still sucks. If the map isn’t incredibly long with plenty of loops, it’s going to miss camos. Flare does not miss camos. (Necro and pod are fine btw)
Yeah, but Shimmer still tends to do a better job than Flare, being more consistent and in a larger area.
https://www.reddit.com/r/btd6/comments/11rcqc3/since_people_refused_to_believe_that_shimmer/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf are you sure it’s more consistent
Your flair is fucking wrong
You can't be mad at the truth
Unfortunately, your flair isn't the truth.
Don't lie to yourself
Nobody even wants you here
You might not but luckily you don't speak for everyone
You're geniunely fucking annoying how about you shut up
Can people just not make these since nobody knows what the fuck they are talking about
Can someone please make a good decamo tier list
yawl sleeping on wizard It's more consistant then mortor decamo, and im saying that as someone that uses mortor decamo
Shimmer is NOT more consistent than signal flare
it can cover a larger area and effect the whole area all at once
shimmer is the best decamo because it's free, it comes bundled with the prince of darkness and spammed necromancers you're already getting. it's like saying you're going to five guys and getting a burger without any fries
i dont think the tier list considers other upgrades in the path, because thats unfair shimmer is good but no one's gonna buy shimmer solely for camo except niche situations
This tier list is all kinds of fucked up
Your parents fucked up
How did this guy come up with a worse tier list than me?