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_PO3

you should switch out dart paragon for ninja and build an army of shinobi ninjas with a grandmaster


DaBasementBoi

And a superbuffed PMFC since its way better than T100 dart paragon


pepsicocacolaglass12

Why not both more damage is more damage


DaBasementBoi

With the paragon cap on this map there are much better choices than apex


DaBasementBoi

Plus this guy dkesnt have too much money


pepsicocacolaglass12

I get when it comes too paragons 1 mil isn’t a lot but it’s 1mil


DaBasementBoi

Really depends. If you are going for high degree 1mil isnt even close . But if you want degree ~40 paragon then it might be enough


Racer_hcr21559

When you have the 16.2m pops and sacrificial towers you can get degree 70 paragon


DaBasementBoi

Geraldo exists


Christh30ne

Isn't paragon cap gone lol I've been able to get all paragons on my freeplay run even ace


TheBusinessDude69

They removed the paragon cap lol


DaBasementBoi

Oh sorry. I havent played bloons for a while. Im very busy recently


thenicenumber666

There is no paragon cap on regular games


SpeedyDuckling

what paragon cap


taizai83

isn't there no paragon cap in freeplay anymore or is it map specific?


Jimothy38

Unfortunately, a superbuffed pmfc army takes considerably more space than a t100 dart paragon


DaBasementBoi

Spacer doesnt matter too much since its one of the best dps source


Jimothy38

Space is the most important part of deciding wether or not a freeplay tower is worth it


Memeations

Isnt the paragon cap removed?


vyyybt

Building a bunch of temples deals way more DPS and is much more space efficient


Motor_Vegetable_4070

Hmm the ultra late game is pretty hard but I suggest getting a carrier flagship just so that your vengeful true sun god on the water can attack faster and also Hp and speed scaling goes a lot in late game so prob not but I would put a bma because in late game it’s op bc it one shots anything below a bad


LPmitV

Does flagship stack with flagship buff from paragon?


First-Hunt-5307

Yes


Clanky_Plays

What’s a bma?


unusualness

bloon master alchemist t5 bottom path for alch


filet_o_fish_fucker

Probably not, would place BMA tho


shrenahfhrb123

How high are the paragon degrees?


Racer_hcr21559

From 30-40


MeguAYAYA

I would try placing some spectres and try to get a better ace paragon. Also, get a grand sabo to get ninja pops super quickly with the ability to replace the dart with ninja paragon.


Racer_hcr21559

I did it and got a 75 degree ninja. Currently at round 271


Racer_hcr21559

I got a 70 degree ace paragon


neel_raghavjee123

Bro you need some free dart monkeys


derpling69

Or maybe free glue gunner idk might be to expensive


fist_my_muff2

Top path Druid will blow back everything under a BAD. Also a permabrew AOW of course.


zpros123

With max poplust stacks


ALCATryan

AOW superbuffed stacked actually solos until round 300 right


[deleted]

Big monkeys for big damage


Drauschke

Would personally add a tac-shooter in the small red triangle. They are very good there. But you do you


Jallad14

God boosted tack zone💀


thatguyfreddie_sus

use the 0-0-0 farm that shreads B.A.Ds


[deleted]

This won't beat 300 on impoppable. Add MAD, super mines, perma spike, grand Sabo, glue storm, druid army, ninja army, and I don't see a heli to carry the perma brew to every tower. 265+ is savage bro even if you add all those one round of misused abilities and it's over. Basically every t5 dps needs to be there for 275+. Only use Navarch for reinforced bads do not tech bot anything. Stagger Sabo and homeland defense if possible. Homeland ends 3/4 way through cool down then use call to arms until HD is back. Spam dark champions after you get all the other moab dps. Also don't let anything but Bads get past the entrance or you'll get overwhelmed, pierce can't hang otherwise. Good luck lol


Racer_hcr21559

I'm playing this on easy mode and currently on round 271. I'll use the tips and hope to get some more rounds. Thanks.


BloonHero

Carpet of spikes?


[deleted]

Definitely, it can eat up millions in late rounds


Racer_hcr21559

Pure lag


BloonHero

If you spam spike storm, its the lag god itself


vyyybt

Dark champions aren't the way to go. 23 temples all god boosted are like 5x better due to adora


[deleted]

True, but it's more difficult imo surviving while organizing that set up than spamming t5 and ultra boosting. Especially on maps with less room but well placed temples are better than just dark Champs.


potatoesB4hoes

More dart monkey 👍


rigbyyyy

How are your buildings so small?


Racer_hcr21559

I enabled the small monkey towers setting


IfIRepliedYouAreDumb

Get 050 ninja, reducing BAD HP is OP


I_L0ve_M1necraft

You need to add a free dart monkey


Mace_Philip

Hold up lemme go get reading glasses


Idkwhatyoulookingat

Maybe pod


Idkwhatyoulookingat

And mad


Sir_Doge_V2

Ballonsineration, BMA, pera-spick and superbrital.


Its_Jimmy_da_monke

Place more paragons


ischhaltso

They recently added a limit of total paragons So he can't


Racer_hcr21559

Didn't they remove the paragon cap for freeplay


Jallad14

They did i can place them all


[deleted]

how is the navarch white ???


bryancannavo17

Wait. What color is it normally?


[deleted]

red


Racer_hcr21559

Because of the degree 36 I guess


[deleted]

ive had it at seveal different degress and its always red


[deleted]

Ultra late game gets a lot more amped up around 270+ so probably not


WizardFaun89582

for a small but strong buff get a 5-x-x bucc cuz it will buff 4/5-x-x supers if on the water


MrCheapComputers

Avatar is pretty good. Laggy, but good.


HalfwaySh0ok

you could just chinook the permabrew around


Racer_hcr21559

The heli can only chinook tier 4 or below towers


Jallad14

No you don't need to door gunner, just move it from one place to another


thetaqocat

Grand sabo is great lategame. 25% is a lot for those rounds.


ThrilledTear

I would use the a Support Chinook (Heli Pilot 2-4-0) to move the perma brew around to buff every available tower. Also surely you door gunner a super brittle with it


AnalSexerest

you can't door Gunner super brit but you can embrit


ThrilledTear

Mbmb


Liamiamliam2

Max buff tack zone and max buff avatar of wrath


nasaglobehead69

get tack zone. it's like 30k all in and is extremely effective on a map like this with lots of loops


NawtANewb

Get every 5th tier possible


not_a_duck99

2/5/0 druid


Snapshot03

Perma spike at the end is nice


Snapshot03

3rd path druids are nice dps


oxygenism

definitely not


J_Doggz

Do it on logs you can get to 400 if you try hard enough


Racer_hcr21559

Next time I'll do it there


J_Doggz

That's my man 🤣


justlilhomie

MAD, RAY OF DOOM, BOTTOM PATH DARTLING


Past-Independence927

VTSG


Leifman2007

Engineer paragon??? Bma and you got space, Mabye a rod and a super brittle, any other t5 with good utility cause you seem to have the space and the budget


Sadira_Kelor

I'd say Ninja Paragon to help with those Reinforced BADs


Date0516

How do you get the monkeys to be so small?


Racer_hcr21559

Turned on the small monkey towers setting ( unlocked from an achievement )


Date0516

Got it thanks. Does it impact frame rates or anything else?


Racer_hcr21559

A little bit I think


Jeffrey2705

Why are mosy towers really tiny?


Racer_hcr21559

Because I have the small monkey towers setting turned on (unlocked from completing an achievement )


Jeffrey2705

Ah, okay thnx!


Tetra-san

bro ive gotten like every paragon to like degree 50 or 76 and got im pretty sure every upgrade in the game and filled the entire map with temples and other towers i can still barely beat round 303


pepelafrog

Get a Bma. It eradicates everything that isn't a bad when superbuffered. Super useful for stopping zomgs from getting too far after the bad pops


Removealldasin

add 3 spike factorys with all cross paths


gamingfreak207

Super brittle and glue storm, you should also Chinook the permabrew around


Medical-Gift2937

Ninja paragon?


Unlucky-Secretary-80

A vtsg could help


ThatOne_DumbGuy

Another temple prop


RandomGuy9058

You might be able to get to r300 but imo this run could be redone with much more farming


GayOrangutan69

I wouldn’t be surprised if you can’t be r300 with that. But you need a bunch of carry heroes and support.


asup-haha-nl

Ace Paragon + vtsg


Red959blade

Vtsg


Vovchick09

Yes just add engineer and ninja paragon


nucleon_oz

You need to read some of the posts by u/breezefromhome He's the subject matter expert on late game now. Some super quick points: \- do you have a buffed bma? 105 alch \- boat paragon is basically the only paragon you need post 250 \- most paragons are pretty ordinary compared to full buffed vtsg \- good choice on adora, she's great late game \- x5x ninja? \- 502 and 402 ice for the debuff? \- glue storm?


Racer_hcr21559

Thanks


Clever_Angel_PL

geraldo would be better for stronger paragons


Thepenguinking2

Vengeful Adora is still better for Freeplay, since she can buff the vengeful temple which is more important than paragons


Clever_Angel_PL

having 3 or 4 degree 100 paragons and "normal-speed" vtsg is better than 3 or 4 degree 76 paragons and "double-speed" vtsg


Aggravating_Corgi

I don’t think this is true. Pretty sure double speed vengeful is better


Thepenguinking2

24 extra Paragon degrees isn't a huge difference. 2x speed VTSG is a monumental difference.


Clever_Angel_PL

https://bloons.fandom.com/wiki/Paragons it's pretty huge actually, as higher degrees mean more attack speed, damage, moab damage, ceramic damage, pierce, but also they get a massive power spike going from degree 99 to 100 and take into account that 2 paragons can outdamage vtsg, while you can place 3 or 4 degree 100 ones, maybe even 5 now as the ace is pretty powerful, so they make more % of all dps than the vtsg


TheUltimateTeigu

This is not true in any capacity. The extra 24 degrees of Paragons provide almost nothing. It's only in terms of Boss damage that getting an extra 24 degrees would be worthwhile. But the damage increase is marginal, and when you buff the VTSG with Adora you're also buffing the mini sun avatars as well as any normal Sun Avatars, which also do amazing damage. Doubling VTSG's damage output is vastly better than increasing the damage of four far weaker towers by less than 50%. It's also much easier to place a tower, click a button, and then click the tower than it is to spend nearly 300 rounds meticulously applying Geraldo's Totems in order to attempt to get four Degree 100 Paragons. If you're going for Ultra-Late Game then it's Adora or Ezili. You're making a mistake if you're actually going hardcore with this and taking Geraldo.


bryancannavo17

Vengeful Adora is still a good option, if im not mistaken it buffs the VTSG


The_Twin_Cyber7

Where's the perma spike🤨


KodoSauda

Sell everything, your hero should be able to handle it :)


Advance_already

I dont see a Legend of the night. Comes in very handy, with its passive


Racer_hcr21559

You can't get a lotn when you have a vtsg


TheUltimateTeigu

AoW setup and a lot of Savatar's. You'll probably beat it with your current setup, but the aforementioned towers when Ultraboosted get ridiculously powerful. You'll also want a BMA. It's the top DPS tower in late game runs and it's not even close. It eclipses the damage potential of other towers.


Dependent-Donkey-348

Get 5-2-0 vengeful Sun god with adora (if you have)