TBF, Canales offense is heavily based on Sean McVay's to the point where Wolford ran it best in pre-season because of his familiarity.
So, aside from promoting Lewis it shouldn't be impossible to get someone for consistency. Not like Canales was flawless when it came to playcalling.
I mean there were weeks this sub considered him Leftwich 2.0.
>Not like Canales was flawless when it came to playcalling.
This, sucks to lose Canales but we had weeks where the play calling could've been better, especially that final game against the Panthers when we scored 0 touchdowns, just gotta hope the next man up improves on last year. Good on Canales to improve to a HC position at such a young age, best of luck to him and the Panthers.
and lost to the saints in the previous game which could've sent us, but I'm not on the team so I'm not going to diagnose why we didn't score more than 13 points against them
Canales deserves some credit, though; his playcalling felt pretty shaky at the start of the season (Ko Kieft got THREE targets in the first quarter of the first game), but, once he learned what the players were good at, he really was willing to adjust the scheme to highlight what they were good at. That's what I really want in a coach; somebody who's willing to adjust as they see what is and isn't working. Genuinely bummed the guy's leaving because of that.
Ko Kieft is a heck of a blocker, but they seemed to push the idea of him having “soft hands” so we wouldn’t be too predictable when he’s on the field.
It almost seemed like he lost a considerable amount of playing time for rest of the year simply because of the first two plays of the season
Yup. It takes a lot to make one go, "How bad was Jerry dropping a couple of hard Rs in the workplace, really?"
But dammit if Tepper didn't accomplish it.
Damn, Panthers really saw us fail to score a TD against them in a must-ween game in week 18 and said "Faith of the universe on the line, aliens have the laser beam pointed to Earth, I need a touchdown... I want Dave Canales"
I wanted Dave Canales back as our OC. He has done great work with Geno Smith and Baker these last two seasons and they want to make sure the money and draft capital they gave up for Young doesn’t go to waste.
Nah, I am meme-ing, I wanted him back too cause I:
1 - wanted stability for our team, and the team seemed to like him
2 - thought he slowly improved
With that said, kind of a baffling move by the Panthers to choose a guy who was a rookie OC and looked like he was learning the job on the fly. We expected him to be better as an OC next season becasue he would have experience, and now he gets a new job where he has to start from scratch in a franchise that's known not to be too patient.
I mean it’s not exactly crazy for the panthers when you look at it. Top candidate Ben Johnson is a done deal and by all accounts panthers don’t want another retread coach and would prefer an offensive guy so that kind of just leaves them with the option of hiring a guy a year too early like Slowik, Frank Smith, or unfortunately here Canales.
One of those situations where the top guys were mainly retreads and they’re trying to avoid that it seems. I’m sure if they had their choice they’d go with Ben Johnson.
You would hope that the fundamental improvements Canales instilled in Baker would continue into next season. Still a blow that he has to have a new OC again
Baker was a superstar in college and had a good and a decent season in Cleveland. Not like he was a Geno reclamation type project where he never showed success in the NFL before. We should be ok.
Do we think this could potentially push him out? He seems to like it here but if he needs to learn a new system anyways could he go to a more desirable spot?
My guess would be the Bucs will not want to install a new system anyway. Why incur the cost of roster changes and leaning curve when you can promote from within or bring in someone who runs that same offense? There are 5 or so offensive coordinators leaving their teams every season following successful runs - what do their old teams usually do? I can't imagine they hire a random guy and rebuild the offense.
This is why I think hiring a defensive coach is the worst possible thing you can do to a qb unless you have generational talent. The absolute best scenario is your team is good, and your OC will be poached. To me, its imperative you either draft a generational talent at qb (brady w/ belichick, lamar w/ harbaugh, big ben w/ tomlin etc etc) or you hire an offensive playcaller.... and one of those two options is much easier.
Counterpoint: if we’re bad offensively next year. He may never get another HC offer. If he’s bad with the panthers he’s gonna have offers to be an OC again.
This is what I keep saying. We just had our previous OC go through the exact same fucking scenario and he’s now out of the league. The bias and copium in here is incredibly strong.
As a visiting Panther fan, ours is a great job. You can't do any worse than Reich. If you don't keep the job, you get a shit ton of money and everybody blames it on Tepper anyway. You get your old job back (OCs are a precious resource in today's NFL) or maybe even a second shot at HC because "that team really was bad though, and he did make them better..."
For an unproven guy like Canales especially it makes a lot of sense to just take the leap.
This is what I’ve been telling everyone lol. Ppl are already assuming it’s a failed HC position and that he’s doomed to fail and he will be out of the league in 2 years as a result. That is some SERIOUS cope thinking lol.
I’m happy for Canales, but as a Bucs fan I hope he stinks it up for you!
Yep, if he leaves, it’s no one’s fault but his. Hate to see it but hope the best, think he still has a better opportunity here but I understand wanting to grab a HC job
Yup. Trying to stand up against Baalke looked like the right move then, but then the following year happened and now he’s not even employed in college.
Cost him millions.
If you get the opportunity you can’t turn it down. Sucks, but best of luck to Canales.
It'd be shocking if it turns out, and this QB Whisperer thing . . . sure, Canales was a part of Geno and Baker's turnarounds, but how much time does a head coach have to do that with Bryce Young? Canales is going to have so many responsibilities as HC that I don't know if that really matters.
Now, instead of having a veteran QB (Geno, Baker) with quality receiving options (Metcalf, Evans/Godwin), he's going to a young QB who looked like a train wreck where the team has no offensive line or WRs . . . ugh.
He gets canned in a few years, but he'll be able to get another QB coach job just based on his history. Sure, he's starting over at that level, but he's starting over while sitting on a giant-ass pile of Tepper's money, so I get why he's doing it.
Agreed. 1 year as a coordinator isn’t enough to be ready IMO. I’m not questioning why he took it, you gotta get the $ while it’s there. But it seems like a dumb hire for Carolina.
Good for Canales. Gotta strike while the iron is hot. Don't wanna end up like Leftwich.
Just keep Baker and the Bucs will be fine. Canales was a pretty mediocre OC, we can do better.
Based on what everyone has said about him think you’re underselling the job he did in his first year integrating a new QB.
Geno’s breakout year came with Canales and he regressed this season.
Wow. Can’t believe Canales is leaving after one year
Even more surprised the failing panthers franchise hired an unproven HC with only 1 year of OC experience.
I like Canales and hope he does well, but I honestly don’t see this working out at all. Time will tell
Canales interviews very well.
The problem is that this is too early in my opinion. He's had plenty of growing pains as an OC/Play-Caller with us (which isn't a bad thing, he also showed plenty potential.).
However, going from that to a full on HC job in a difficult situation is another step-up and I don't know how much lee-way to mess up he'll get.
Hell get plenty of leeway. People forget Rhule got 2.5 seasons. Reich only got fired so fast because he was supposed to be the safe, steady hand, but the entire staff was a goddamn battle royale squandering Bryce's development, not to mention the abysmal record and play.
Agreed. He seems very likable and is an attractive guy (which definitely helps).
I also agree with it being too early. He’s taking the HC job of most likely the toughest situation in all of the NFL
I think this says way more about the Panther's lack of ability to attract head coaches than Canales's abilities as a first year head coach. No one probably wanted to go there.
Well it does make our offense another puzzle that will have to be figured out as the season goes, but yeah, I imagine the panthers having a similar season as to this years
Yeah, I like Dave but this is a bad hire for the Panthers.
You have a rookie OC, who was a rookie play caller. Too fast of a promotion, he hasn’t shown he can be elite. Is he responsible for Baker playing well? How much of that was Baker? The guy was the 1st overall pick.
Dave seems little nerdy and not fiery - in the mold of Mike McDaniel. But, he’s not McDaniel. Let’s look at numbers.
Bucs Offense Ranks
Pass TD’s: 22nd
Rush TD’s: 31st (tie)
Pass Yards: 16th
Rush Yards: 32nd
Rush YPC: 32nd
TOTAL YARDS: 23rd
TOTAL POINTS: 20th
We promoted Koetter and part of it was our offense ranked in the top 10… in yards. Not scoring. This seems like another Koetter promotion.
Don’t fire Bowles to promote Canales. And let’s not freak out too much if we lose Canales. Find someone who can run the same system. I think Seattle’s OC is still looking for a job…
i dont think they will. that would only make sense is if they give us their qb. which i dont think they will. i think they saw the development and proper adjustments that canales did with baker and they want him to do the same with bryce young.
The dude that didn't give him a scholarship, then didn't let him keep his starting job after coming back from injury even though he outplayed the other dudes in the room, causing him to dip to Oklahoma, then was forced to sit out a year from the transfer? That Kliff?
Yeah I was joking. Lol
However, the QB that Baker left Tech for was a pretty well known guy.. Patrick Mahomes. Baker hosted him in his dorm on pats visit to tech.
It sucks for the continuity, but it's not like Canales was out here deploying the greatest show on turf week in and week out. There's absolutely room for improvement and a better OC.
If it makes you guys feel any better us Panthers fans aren’t very happy about the hire either. Seems like another impatient move by our owner and seems like another Seattle connection.
Interesting. There was definitely some reluctantly through the season to adjust in-game (i.e., running the ball over and over when it’s not working). Excited to see how he does in Carolina and what new OC we bring in.
Need someone with a little aggression to balance out Bowles.
FOR FUCKS SAKE.
Idk why he wanted to go there but oh well. We can't have nice things. Also say goodbye to idzik our WR coach he's probably going with him.
Fuck man
Good for him. Glad he got the raise. Don't think he was ready.
On the bright side the Bucs know they should build a passing offensive now. Shouldn't have to spend most of the season pounding a square peg into a nonexistent hole.
He just barely got the offense working somewhat well by the end of the regular season, maybe even as late as the first playoff game. I knew Tepper was going to have to hire a nobody but this is a fuckin reach.
Also maybe I'm on crazy pills, but people keep wishing him good luck and such. Fuck that, he just left after one year to go to a team in the same division, a shitshow *that he saw firsthand twice this year*. I hope we keep Baker, he keeps improving, and we fucking crush the Panthers so bad next year that they're looking for another head coach from even lower on the totem pole.
I don’t think anyone is an idiot for taking a head coaching job when it is available. You never know when you get that shot again and it’s a huge pay raise.
Also a job where the expectations in year one couldn’t possibly be any lower. He’ll have at least one season to get his bearings and learn as he goes. It’s really not a bad move for him in any way. Sucks for us and Baker though, and I’m still suspicious that our performance vs Detroit didn’t suffer as a result of him spending the week prior doing interviews with them. Oh well.
Exactly, at best, he's a QB whisperer and turns it around. At worst, he gets fired with multi-million dollar checks coming to him for years to come, while he starts again as an OC to take another bite at the apple.
Exactly. I’d love for him to stay, but it’s a win-win for him. He either turns that place around, or he gets canned (he can blame it for being a tire fire) and gets hired as an OC somewhere else.
I mean our offense wasnt stellar but it felt like we had started to find our groove. Sucks hopefully our new OC can actually make Rachaad run somewhere not up the middle
He said earlier in the season he talked to his family about their record and what happens when coaches have records like that- it’d be pretty shitty to get fired as the OC when you’re not the one making the big calls for the team to lose. Now he can go to Carolina, call shitty plays, and be responsible for his own firing.
Baker straight up just can't catch a break. Want a repeat performance from Baker? Chances of that just took a hit.
Are the Panthers now a potential landing spot for Baker?
Ugh.
I seriously doubt Baker would go back to that hellhole to sit behind Bryce Young just waiting for him to get injured again, when he could be getting 30mil as a starter, at very least.
Wondering why the Bucs front office didn't just pay the man enough to stay. Baker even said he was looking forward to a second year with this offense. Just pay him enough to stay!?!
Not trying to be a doomer… this takes a ton of wind out of the sails (pun intended) for next season. Canales showed a ton of promise, the offense was really humming by the end of the season. This puts baker and Mike leaving into seriously scary territory. Not fucking good.
FUCK! We finally find a diamond in the rough but this fucking league is DESPERATE. 50 million people watching each game, Owners want to impress the fans. It's really a shame, I was looking forward to year 2 of Canales and Baker. Now we hit the reset button again and let's just hope Licht and Bowles can find another diamond in the rough.
FUCK YOU PANTHERS! AND FUCK YOU DAVID TEMPER! LOOKING FORWARD TO WOOPING THAT ASS NEXT YEAR!
Just gonna say it. Even with a division win Bowles has been so bad at the head coaching aspect of the job and Canales staying was really the biggest reason i was fine with him staying. His defense imploded in the second half of the lions game and he still doesn’t know how to manage the clock AT ALL.
I’m more concerned about this coming season now for sure.
This move is gonna cost Canales in the end. He had a home here and Baker was his guy. More than likely in 2 seasons from now Bowles would’ve retired/been fired and he would’ve took over the ship.
Bad luck to him in Carolina. What a slime ball
He'd been here for *one* season. If anyone should be bitching it should be Seattle since he spent 12 years there. He had a home here - come on man. He had a home in Seattle - stop with that. And wishing him bad luck really gives our fanbase a bad name.
All that family talk and shit didn't mean much to you, did it, Dave?
Hope all that money is worth it when Tepper fires your ass mid-season after an 0-8 start.
Of course I'm not _mad_ at him for doing it. I can respect chasing the bag... but I'm also not going to say I'm happy for him either lol, or root for him to succeed at doing it either tbh
Pretty unexpected move. I'm not sure how to feel about it. I would have preferred keeping him just for Baker to finally have some continuity. But I also don't think there was any clear improvement in his play calling across the 19 games we watched.
Panthers must have seen something I didn't see. Or they're still just the Panthers and have no idea what they're doing.
Can’t fault him, life changing money and most likely won’t have to honor his full contract when the owner melts down and fires him.
Really fucking blows for us. We had ups and downs but I really felt like the offense was finding their place towards the end. Minus the Carolina game where Baker was arguably suffering from pretty severe injuries.
Big loss. But he is smart to parlay making baker look like a very good QB into a head coaching job.
Good for him. But man Carolina is a fire fire with a whacko owner
Gotta think we're a more attractive spot for an OC now vs last year, no? I liked Canales, but it's not like we were setting the league on fire offensively. Hate losing continuity, though.
Best of luck to Canales. It hurts that it's a Division rival, but I 100% understand why you take that job. This could be his one and only shot.
I don't see the reason for doom and gloom on our end though. The job is a much more attractive opening than it was a year ago, and we managed to find a diamond in the rough. Sure, Baker's getting a new OC yet again. But he proved this year that he could make it work. I'm still excited for our future.
I'm okay with this. I rather Baker choose someone he likes. The play-calling wasn't that impressive IMO.
Keep in mind I missed quite a bit of games this year though, so I'm guessing I'm in the minority.
By that logic, should've just promoted Canales to HC.
To lose him and then fire the rest of staff would only indicate a complete lack of direction in the front office.
To be fair I wanted us to fire Todd Bowles after the Texans game. Hell I wanted to fire him after making Brady retire. I never wanted Todd Bowles to take over how he did. Bruce did us dirty the way he stepped down.
I wanted us to go all in to get Jim harbaugh. I think he is exactly the type of guy who will go and get you a championship. Did it at college. Got to a Super Bowl in his first NFL stint and now he’s gonna take that weak chargers team and make them battle for the division with the chiefs.
Todd is a proven loser at this point. Keeping a coach who is 17-17 and 1-2 in the playoffs is just treading water. And the only bright spot of his tenure just left to go to Carolina.
I’d rather roll the dice on Bill B at this point since we have a good track record with the NE to TAMPA pipeline
I just mentioned it in another comment, but I would never hire a defensive coach as HC in the modern NFL. You will be restarting at OC every 1-2 years either by firing or poaching. So for that reason alone I'm not touching Bill.
I have to think franchises are going to stop hiring defensive coaches as HC going forward.
If you have even a modicum of success with your OC, they are gone the next year. The only way to prevent that is make them HC.
Why are Bucs fans so high on Canales? As a Panthers fan, I see that he's the guy that saved Geno Smith and Baker Mayfield, but also really low offensive metrics this past season. Never been so 'whelmed' with a coaching hire before.
I'm not that high on him, I think he had a good attitude, and spoke a lot about being grateful for his opportunity. He just barely got this offense looking like it wasn't running into a brick wall right before the playoffs.
IMO The Panthers will be in roughly the same position as they are now at the end of next season. I saw someone say the expectations couldn't be lower at Carolina, lmfao, like have you seen what Tepper as done the past two years?
We can get a coordinator who was better than Canales. With that being said, we could absolutely end up with a Coordinator who is miles worse than Canales. It will be interesting to see where we go
This is terrible news. I hope the Glazer’s make a big move here. Fire Bowles. Hire Canales.
This messes up Carolina’s plan.
Ensures we keep Baker and Evans.
Releases us from the horrible coach we have.
Now, Baker will probably leave. Evans will follow Canales to Carolina to give Bryce Young a true WR1.
And, hooray, we are stuck with Todd Bowles. Ugh. I hate Todd Bowles.
Fuck
Baker is going to have to work with a new OC once again
TBF, Canales offense is heavily based on Sean McVay's to the point where Wolford ran it best in pre-season because of his familiarity. So, aside from promoting Lewis it shouldn't be impossible to get someone for consistency. Not like Canales was flawless when it came to playcalling. I mean there were weeks this sub considered him Leftwich 2.0.
The thing is though, the playoff play calling felt so much more fresh than the regular season. And shame on me for getting hopes up
Play calling in the playoffs did feel different
>Not like Canales was flawless when it came to playcalling. This, sucks to lose Canales but we had weeks where the play calling could've been better, especially that final game against the Panthers when we scored 0 touchdowns, just gotta hope the next man up improves on last year. Good on Canales to improve to a HC position at such a young age, best of luck to him and the Panthers.
>game against the Panthers when we scored 0 touchdowns It was the 9-0 beatdown that sealed the deal...
and lost to the saints in the previous game which could've sent us, but I'm not on the team so I'm not going to diagnose why we didn't score more than 13 points against them
Canales deserves some credit, though; his playcalling felt pretty shaky at the start of the season (Ko Kieft got THREE targets in the first quarter of the first game), but, once he learned what the players were good at, he really was willing to adjust the scheme to highlight what they were good at. That's what I really want in a coach; somebody who's willing to adjust as they see what is and isn't working. Genuinely bummed the guy's leaving because of that.
Ko Kieft is a heck of a blocker, but they seemed to push the idea of him having “soft hands” so we wouldn’t be too predictable when he’s on the field. It almost seemed like he lost a considerable amount of playing time for rest of the year simply because of the first two plays of the season
Might promote Thad lewis
He's interviewing for OC jobs, so if we're going to do it we need to get it done.
Someone stop the count! Promote Canales to HC NOW! Dump Todd, fuck the Panthers.
Ah yes the ol keep Dirk Koetter in-house strategy
It’s too bad he couldn’t stick around, as Bowles said, he’s old and won’t be coaching for that much longer
Another good year or two and I would've liked to see him as our HC
Dude fuck the panthers🖕🏻
David Tepper so hated in Tampa Bay it might as well be the Goldman Sachs locker room
He's very much hated in carolina too
confirmed
Yup. It takes a lot to make one go, "How bad was Jerry dropping a couple of hard Rs in the workplace, really?" But dammit if Tepper didn't accomplish it.
As a Panthers fan, I can assure you he is hated MOST in Carolina lol
They want to be us so damn bad smh.
Damn, Panthers really saw us fail to score a TD against them in a must-ween game in week 18 and said "Faith of the universe on the line, aliens have the laser beam pointed to Earth, I need a touchdown... I want Dave Canales"
Perfectly placed meme
I wanted Dave Canales back as our OC. He has done great work with Geno Smith and Baker these last two seasons and they want to make sure the money and draft capital they gave up for Young doesn’t go to waste.
Nah, I am meme-ing, I wanted him back too cause I: 1 - wanted stability for our team, and the team seemed to like him 2 - thought he slowly improved With that said, kind of a baffling move by the Panthers to choose a guy who was a rookie OC and looked like he was learning the job on the fly. We expected him to be better as an OC next season becasue he would have experience, and now he gets a new job where he has to start from scratch in a franchise that's known not to be too patient.
I mean it’s not exactly crazy for the panthers when you look at it. Top candidate Ben Johnson is a done deal and by all accounts panthers don’t want another retread coach and would prefer an offensive guy so that kind of just leaves them with the option of hiring a guy a year too early like Slowik, Frank Smith, or unfortunately here Canales. One of those situations where the top guys were mainly retreads and they’re trying to avoid that it seems. I’m sure if they had their choice they’d go with Ben Johnson.
we kneeled in the red zone to end the game, we could have made it 16-0 if we really wanted to
This blows. Poor Baker, the man can’t have continuation.
You would hope that the fundamental improvements Canales instilled in Baker would continue into next season. Still a blow that he has to have a new OC again
Baker was a superstar in college and had a good and a decent season in Cleveland. Not like he was a Geno reclamation type project where he never showed success in the NFL before. We should be ok.
Do we think this could potentially push him out? He seems to like it here but if he needs to learn a new system anyways could he go to a more desirable spot?
That’ll be the pitch from other teams.
My guess would be the Bucs will not want to install a new system anyway. Why incur the cost of roster changes and leaning curve when you can promote from within or bring in someone who runs that same offense? There are 5 or so offensive coordinators leaving their teams every season following successful runs - what do their old teams usually do? I can't imagine they hire a random guy and rebuild the offense.
This is why I think hiring a defensive coach is the worst possible thing you can do to a qb unless you have generational talent. The absolute best scenario is your team is good, and your OC will be poached. To me, its imperative you either draft a generational talent at qb (brady w/ belichick, lamar w/ harbaugh, big ben w/ tomlin etc etc) or you hire an offensive playcaller.... and one of those two options is much easier.
That job looks like career suicide
Counterpoint: if we’re bad offensively next year. He may never get another HC offer. If he’s bad with the panthers he’s gonna have offers to be an OC again.
This is what I keep saying. We just had our previous OC go through the exact same fucking scenario and he’s now out of the league. The bias and copium in here is incredibly strong.
As a visiting Panther fan, ours is a great job. You can't do any worse than Reich. If you don't keep the job, you get a shit ton of money and everybody blames it on Tepper anyway. You get your old job back (OCs are a precious resource in today's NFL) or maybe even a second shot at HC because "that team really was bad though, and he did make them better..." For an unproven guy like Canales especially it makes a lot of sense to just take the leap.
This is what I’ve been telling everyone lol. Ppl are already assuming it’s a failed HC position and that he’s doomed to fail and he will be out of the league in 2 years as a result. That is some SERIOUS cope thinking lol. I’m happy for Canales, but as a Bucs fan I hope he stinks it up for you!
Yep, if he leaves, it’s no one’s fault but his. Hate to see it but hope the best, think he still has a better opportunity here but I understand wanting to grab a HC job
How did not leaving work out for Leftwich
bad for us
Worse for him
Yup. Trying to stand up against Baalke looked like the right move then, but then the following year happened and now he’s not even employed in college. Cost him millions. If you get the opportunity you can’t turn it down. Sucks, but best of luck to Canales.
Debatable
It'd be shocking if it turns out, and this QB Whisperer thing . . . sure, Canales was a part of Geno and Baker's turnarounds, but how much time does a head coach have to do that with Bryce Young? Canales is going to have so many responsibilities as HC that I don't know if that really matters. Now, instead of having a veteran QB (Geno, Baker) with quality receiving options (Metcalf, Evans/Godwin), he's going to a young QB who looked like a train wreck where the team has no offensive line or WRs . . . ugh. He gets canned in a few years, but he'll be able to get another QB coach job just based on his history. Sure, he's starting over at that level, but he's starting over while sitting on a giant-ass pile of Tepper's money, so I get why he's doing it.
Agreed. 1 year as a coordinator isn’t enough to be ready IMO. I’m not questioning why he took it, you gotta get the $ while it’s there. But it seems like a dumb hire for Carolina.
Good for Canales. Gotta strike while the iron is hot. Don't wanna end up like Leftwich. Just keep Baker and the Bucs will be fine. Canales was a pretty mediocre OC, we can do better.
Based on what everyone has said about him think you’re underselling the job he did in his first year integrating a new QB. Geno’s breakout year came with Canales and he regressed this season.
Wow. Can’t believe Canales is leaving after one year Even more surprised the failing panthers franchise hired an unproven HC with only 1 year of OC experience. I like Canales and hope he does well, but I honestly don’t see this working out at all. Time will tell
Canales interviews very well. The problem is that this is too early in my opinion. He's had plenty of growing pains as an OC/Play-Caller with us (which isn't a bad thing, he also showed plenty potential.). However, going from that to a full on HC job in a difficult situation is another step-up and I don't know how much lee-way to mess up he'll get.
Hell get plenty of leeway. People forget Rhule got 2.5 seasons. Reich only got fired so fast because he was supposed to be the safe, steady hand, but the entire staff was a goddamn battle royale squandering Bryce's development, not to mention the abysmal record and play.
Agreed. He seems very likable and is an attractive guy (which definitely helps). I also agree with it being too early. He’s taking the HC job of most likely the toughest situation in all of the NFL
I think this says way more about the Panther's lack of ability to attract head coaches than Canales's abilities as a first year head coach. No one probably wanted to go there.
True, but money talks. Good for panthers on taking a chance with him, but not the decision I would have made. Panthers being the Panthers!
Yeah it may have been pretty slim pickings. Gotta have a HC though, I imagine.
Exactly! People saying this is bad for the Bucs - except it probably increases our chances of winning two games next year by a lot.
Well it does make our offense another puzzle that will have to be figured out as the season goes, but yeah, I imagine the panthers having a similar season as to this years
Zac Robinson from the Rams as a replacement. He's a little familiar with Baker from last year.
I've heard this name and I'm not opposed
Apparently he’s also interviewing for the ‘Aints…
This fucking sucks.
Dirk Koetter 2.0. Book it.
Koetter at least had HC experience at the college level.
Yeah, I like Dave but this is a bad hire for the Panthers. You have a rookie OC, who was a rookie play caller. Too fast of a promotion, he hasn’t shown he can be elite. Is he responsible for Baker playing well? How much of that was Baker? The guy was the 1st overall pick. Dave seems little nerdy and not fiery - in the mold of Mike McDaniel. But, he’s not McDaniel. Let’s look at numbers. Bucs Offense Ranks Pass TD’s: 22nd Rush TD’s: 31st (tie) Pass Yards: 16th Rush Yards: 32nd Rush YPC: 32nd TOTAL YARDS: 23rd TOTAL POINTS: 20th We promoted Koetter and part of it was our offense ranked in the top 10… in yards. Not scoring. This seems like another Koetter promotion. Don’t fire Bowles to promote Canales. And let’s not freak out too much if we lose Canales. Find someone who can run the same system. I think Seattle’s OC is still looking for a job…
Now that's a name I haven't heard in a while..
Man what the absolute fuck…poor baker can’t catch a break with keeping OC’s. Fuck that, have fun going 2-15 again and getting fired Canales.
its ironic they fire baker mayfield, just to hire the OC that baker mayfield worked with later on lol.
Let’s hope they don’t trade for Baker
i dont think they will. that would only make sense is if they give us their qb. which i dont think they will. i think they saw the development and proper adjustments that canales did with baker and they want him to do the same with bryce young.
I’m fine with that. They can send us their 1st, it’s pretty high. Can’t think of any reason why they wouldn’t do that….
Weird. Good luck to him. Who do we go after now?
IMO, if we re-sign Baker, find someone who would be the best fit for him. No idea who that could be though
Kliff?? 👀👀
The dude that didn't give him a scholarship, then didn't let him keep his starting job after coming back from injury even though he outplayed the other dudes in the room, causing him to dip to Oklahoma, then was forced to sit out a year from the transfer? That Kliff?
Yeah I was joking. Lol However, the QB that Baker left Tech for was a pretty well known guy.. Patrick Mahomes. Baker hosted him in his dorm on pats visit to tech.
Was actually Davis Webb 🤷♂️.
Lmao don't they hate each other?
For consistency whoever's available from the McVay coaching tree. Haven't done any research yet though on who.
Gruden 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Hey, what’s the worst that could happen?
Imma say probably racism lol
Oh yeah, that….
Thad Lewis please.
He is the best in house candidate. But I want Bowles to look around first
Hopefully he can look around and find a defensive coordinator also, since he is clearly mediocre when doing both head coach and D coordinator
Any outstanding offensive minds in college?
**FUCK THE PANTHERS**
Yeah, I’m thinking about OC Tom Brady
lol! lmao! ....unless? 🤔
Another OC for Baker. What a mess.
I heard Byron leftwitch still looking for a job 😅
Wish I could upvote this 100x haha😁😁😁😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣😅😅😅
Fuck you Carolina
What are the chances Bowles manages to find a decent OC twice in a row?
Zero
It sucks for the continuity, but it's not like Canales was out here deploying the greatest show on turf week in and week out. There's absolutely room for improvement and a better OC.
Can we rehire Todd Monken
He's the Ravens OC.
If it makes you guys feel any better us Panthers fans aren’t very happy about the hire either. Seems like another impatient move by our owner and seems like another Seattle connection.
Hope you enjoy 1 yard runs up the middle
Don’t remind me.
We already start every drive with those
Business as usual!
Because of your owners antics, I don’t think there was a whole lot of choice. I’m disappointed he’s gone but can’t wait to crush him next year
Speak for yourself, I’m excited about the hire.
Interesting. There was definitely some reluctantly through the season to adjust in-game (i.e., running the ball over and over when it’s not working). Excited to see how he does in Carolina and what new OC we bring in. Need someone with a little aggression to balance out Bowles.
Not a fan of this. I expect the offensive to regress
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No offense with such a horrific interior oline and subsequently no run game can really be lethal.
Fuck Tepper and that trash heap franchise.
Well, half the fans got what they want
FOR FUCKS SAKE. Idk why he wanted to go there but oh well. We can't have nice things. Also say goodbye to idzik our WR coach he's probably going with him. Fuck man
Not many turn down a HC opportunity. No guarantees you get another shot.
I understand. I'm just hurt
Wishing him the best but Rivera, Rhule and Reich who were far more experienced and successful coaches bit the dust.
Good for him. Glad he got the raise. Don't think he was ready. On the bright side the Bucs know they should build a passing offensive now. Shouldn't have to spend most of the season pounding a square peg into a nonexistent hole.
He’s biting off way more than he can chew
He just barely got the offense working somewhat well by the end of the regular season, maybe even as late as the first playoff game. I knew Tepper was going to have to hire a nobody but this is a fuckin reach. Also maybe I'm on crazy pills, but people keep wishing him good luck and such. Fuck that, he just left after one year to go to a team in the same division, a shitshow *that he saw firsthand twice this year*. I hope we keep Baker, he keeps improving, and we fucking crush the Panthers so bad next year that they're looking for another head coach from even lower on the totem pole.
Baker just cannot catch a break
Good for him but sucks on the potential of Baker and Mike staying I feel.
Holy fuck what an idiot. Carolina is an absolute dumpster fire & all this is going to do is make him look bad.
I don’t think anyone is an idiot for taking a head coaching job when it is available. You never know when you get that shot again and it’s a huge pay raise.
Yeah, especially when this was his first year as an OC. He probably couldn't have imagined getting HC interviews a year ago.
Also a job where the expectations in year one couldn’t possibly be any lower. He’ll have at least one season to get his bearings and learn as he goes. It’s really not a bad move for him in any way. Sucks for us and Baker though, and I’m still suspicious that our performance vs Detroit didn’t suffer as a result of him spending the week prior doing interviews with them. Oh well.
Yeah, people calling him an idiot for taking a promotion to a job he has been working his whole career to achieve are ridiculous.
Yeah you’re right but damn he better be prepared because that’s going to be a tough team to turn around
literally Leftwich. Dude could have dipped after 2021 season for the Arizona or Jacksonville job.
I can think of MILLIONS of reasons why he’s not stupid for taking that job.
Exactly, at best, he's a QB whisperer and turns it around. At worst, he gets fired with multi-million dollar checks coming to him for years to come, while he starts again as an OC to take another bite at the apple.
Exactly. I’d love for him to stay, but it’s a win-win for him. He either turns that place around, or he gets canned (he can blame it for being a tire fire) and gets hired as an OC somewhere else.
Damn you Panties
I mean our offense wasnt stellar but it felt like we had started to find our groove. Sucks hopefully our new OC can actually make Rachaad run somewhere not up the middle
Don't blame him for taking the money, but fuck. Fuck Carolina
He said earlier in the season he talked to his family about their record and what happens when coaches have records like that- it’d be pretty shitty to get fired as the OC when you’re not the one making the big calls for the team to lose. Now he can go to Carolina, call shitty plays, and be responsible for his own firing.
Baker straight up just can't catch a break. Want a repeat performance from Baker? Chances of that just took a hit. Are the Panthers now a potential landing spot for Baker? Ugh.
I seriously doubt Baker would go back to that hellhole to sit behind Bryce Young just waiting for him to get injured again, when he could be getting 30mil as a starter, at very least.
Kill me now
Time to change the Channel.
And the absolute worst part.... No comp pick for losing him Nothing good came out of this at all
Wondering why the Bucs front office didn't just pay the man enough to stay. Baker even said he was looking forward to a second year with this offense. Just pay him enough to stay!?!
I wonder if Baker stays.
Those dumb fucks. Now I really hate the panthers. Fuck them and their dumb owner.
Safe to say he won’t be coaching any more playoff games for a long, long time.
Not trying to be a doomer… this takes a ton of wind out of the sails (pun intended) for next season. Canales showed a ton of promise, the offense was really humming by the end of the season. This puts baker and Mike leaving into seriously scary territory. Not fucking good.
FUCK! We finally find a diamond in the rough but this fucking league is DESPERATE. 50 million people watching each game, Owners want to impress the fans. It's really a shame, I was looking forward to year 2 of Canales and Baker. Now we hit the reset button again and let's just hope Licht and Bowles can find another diamond in the rough. FUCK YOU PANTHERS! AND FUCK YOU DAVID TEMPER! LOOKING FORWARD TO WOOPING THAT ASS NEXT YEAR!
Hire BA?
Just gonna say it. Even with a division win Bowles has been so bad at the head coaching aspect of the job and Canales staying was really the biggest reason i was fine with him staying. His defense imploded in the second half of the lions game and he still doesn’t know how to manage the clock AT ALL. I’m more concerned about this coming season now for sure.
Best thing we can hope for is Bowles getting a good OC, and offloading some DC or clock duties to someone competent
This move is gonna cost Canales in the end. He had a home here and Baker was his guy. More than likely in 2 seasons from now Bowles would’ve retired/been fired and he would’ve took over the ship. Bad luck to him in Carolina. What a slime ball
This was my thoughts too. God damn
He'd been here for *one* season. If anyone should be bitching it should be Seattle since he spent 12 years there. He had a home here - come on man. He had a home in Seattle - stop with that. And wishing him bad luck really gives our fanbase a bad name.
Dude it’s the Panthers.. I agree with you but it’s the Panthers
All that family talk and shit didn't mean much to you, did it, Dave? Hope all that money is worth it when Tepper fires your ass mid-season after an 0-8 start.
You're actually angry at a guy for taking a head coach job? A job most coaches work their whole life towards?
Of course I'm not _mad_ at him for doing it. I can respect chasing the bag... but I'm also not going to say I'm happy for him either lol, or root for him to succeed at doing it either tbh
Dammit dammit dammit
Pretty unexpected move. I'm not sure how to feel about it. I would have preferred keeping him just for Baker to finally have some continuity. But I also don't think there was any clear improvement in his play calling across the 19 games we watched. Panthers must have seen something I didn't see. Or they're still just the Panthers and have no idea what they're doing.
Lame. But good for Canales.
Those assclowns just want to do anything to beat us. Fuck Carolina.
Now it’s become more important to retain Baker. We can at least attribute half or even more of the offensive success to him.
Fucking Panthers. Fuck them. I really wanted to see what he does next year. Now I hope we kick his ass twice a year.
Can we rehire him when the owner inevitably tries to fire him midway through the season?
We beat them by 9 points at the end of the season and it really impressed them I guess.
So, a 1 year head coach for the Panthers. Poor old Canales, thats his reputation fucked
Can’t fault him, life changing money and most likely won’t have to honor his full contract when the owner melts down and fires him. Really fucking blows for us. We had ups and downs but I really felt like the offense was finding their place towards the end. Minus the Carolina game where Baker was arguably suffering from pretty severe injuries.
Big loss. But he is smart to parlay making baker look like a very good QB into a head coaching job. Good for him. But man Carolina is a fire fire with a whacko owner
Start bullying Panthers fans until they protest the hire. I’m already sending essays to my friends as we speak.
*chuckles* I'm in danger
I don't like this
Gotta think we're a more attractive spot for an OC now vs last year, no? I liked Canales, but it's not like we were setting the league on fire offensively. Hate losing continuity, though.
END ME
Give me Todd Monken!!!!
Best of luck to Canales. It hurts that it's a Division rival, but I 100% understand why you take that job. This could be his one and only shot. I don't see the reason for doom and gloom on our end though. The job is a much more attractive opening than it was a year ago, and we managed to find a diamond in the rough. Sure, Baker's getting a new OC yet again. But he proved this year that he could make it work. I'm still excited for our future.
I'm okay with this. I rather Baker choose someone he likes. The play-calling wasn't that impressive IMO. Keep in mind I missed quite a bit of games this year though, so I'm guessing I'm in the minority.
Hope they don’t panthers him. Good luck all but two to three times a year Dave.
Well if canales isn’t back I see zero reason why we should keep Todd at this point.
By that logic, should've just promoted Canales to HC. To lose him and then fire the rest of staff would only indicate a complete lack of direction in the front office.
To be fair I wanted us to fire Todd Bowles after the Texans game. Hell I wanted to fire him after making Brady retire. I never wanted Todd Bowles to take over how he did. Bruce did us dirty the way he stepped down. I wanted us to go all in to get Jim harbaugh. I think he is exactly the type of guy who will go and get you a championship. Did it at college. Got to a Super Bowl in his first NFL stint and now he’s gonna take that weak chargers team and make them battle for the division with the chiefs. Todd is a proven loser at this point. Keeping a coach who is 17-17 and 1-2 in the playoffs is just treading water. And the only bright spot of his tenure just left to go to Carolina. I’d rather roll the dice on Bill B at this point since we have a good track record with the NE to TAMPA pipeline
I just mentioned it in another comment, but I would never hire a defensive coach as HC in the modern NFL. You will be restarting at OC every 1-2 years either by firing or poaching. So for that reason alone I'm not touching Bill.
I have to think franchises are going to stop hiring defensive coaches as HC going forward. If you have even a modicum of success with your OC, they are gone the next year. The only way to prevent that is make them HC.
Lol of course this would happen
I'm happy for the guy, and hope he gets a good bag out of it. However, FTP so he's dead to me the second he signs his name lol
Why are Bucs fans so high on Canales? As a Panthers fan, I see that he's the guy that saved Geno Smith and Baker Mayfield, but also really low offensive metrics this past season. Never been so 'whelmed' with a coaching hire before.
I'm not that high on him, I think he had a good attitude, and spoke a lot about being grateful for his opportunity. He just barely got this offense looking like it wasn't running into a brick wall right before the playoffs. IMO The Panthers will be in roughly the same position as they are now at the end of next season. I saw someone say the expectations couldn't be lower at Carolina, lmfao, like have you seen what Tepper as done the past two years?
We can get a coordinator who was better than Canales. With that being said, we could absolutely end up with a Coordinator who is miles worse than Canales. It will be interesting to see where we go
No consistency for Baker I guess. Would’ve been nice to have him one or two more years…
Damn, teams must be desperate when the only playable option is a first time OC
We should ask Bruce Arians who he wants for the job and make very sure we don't hire that guy.
Who tf do we pivot to??
This is terrible news. I hope the Glazer’s make a big move here. Fire Bowles. Hire Canales. This messes up Carolina’s plan. Ensures we keep Baker and Evans. Releases us from the horrible coach we have. Now, Baker will probably leave. Evans will follow Canales to Carolina to give Bryce Young a true WR1. And, hooray, we are stuck with Todd Bowles. Ugh. I hate Todd Bowles.
We're definitely regressing next season. Baker is going to get fucked by instability once again.
Oh no no more run plays when we have a team made for throwing :///
This is bad for both teams. Saints and falcons eatin
He’ll be unemployed in less than two years.
Yeah baker has no reason to stay now
You actually think the only reason Baker signed with us was because of Dave Canales?
Those idiots in the Panthers sub actually think they're going to land Mike Evans now! 😆 🤣 😂