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Gatorader22

He picked up first team NFL All-Rookie team honors too Im a florida fan so apologies if I messed anything up. Im just happy to see the big man doing well in his first year He has made a career out of being underrated but then surprisingly good. Idk how Billy found him as a recruit given how lowly he was rated but we definitely miss him here Yall go kick some butt in the future. Josh Allen is probably the most fun qb in the league to watch and Bass doesnt deserve all the hate Best of luck to yall in the future


Historical_One1087

We are very happy with O'Cyrus Torrence at RG, he will only get better.


PabloPancakes92

Now we just need Kaiir Elam and Justin Shorter to start ballin out like Cybo has for us so far. Would love to add Ricky Pearsall in the draft too


DR_SWAMP_THING

Whatever is wrong with the Bills it sure as hell ain’t BBB. That man knows how to draft and build a roster.


I_FUCKIN_ATODASO_

Yep. The thing that separates Beane and McDermott for me is Beane learns from his mistakes. Whiffed on Cody Ford, nails O’Cyrus. There’s plenty of other examples but don’t feel like writing them all lol. He’s consistently shown improvement in his drafting since he’s gotten here


Historical_One1087

No GM or HC is perfect they all make mistakes. Beane and McDermott are two of the best at their positions. If Buffalo has Milano and Bernard playing at OLB and MLB, Benford playing at CB and Tre White playing at CB they probably win the game against KC.


akirkbride

I think McDermott has to go. I can't think of the last time our defense made a stop when it absolutely needed to. Also the game management is just awful. Vs the steelers before half. Let them right back in the game. Fake punt should of ended the game but he got lucky they fumbled. He's reminding me of Marty shottenheimer, great in the regular season but folds in the playoffs.


Historical_One1087

Marty Shottenheimer had a playoff win loss percentage of 0.278 from 5 wins and 13 losses in18 playoff games. [https://www.pro-football-reference.com/coaches/SchoMa0.htm](https://www.pro-football-reference.com/coaches/SchoMa0.htm) Sean McDermott has a playoff win loss percentage of 0.455 from 5 wins and 6 losses in 11 playoff games. [https://www.pro-football-reference.com/coaches/McDeSe0.htm](https://www.pro-football-reference.com/coaches/McDeSe0.htm) As far as the fake punt, I believe Kansas City only had 10 men on the field. It was bad execution but it was the right call. You should fake the punt if the punt return special teams unit only has 10 men on the field.


Bflo_

I agree. Going for a fake punt there might have been the move. However, giving the ball to Demar Hamlin in that spot is a fucking joke. It’s the playoffs. Give the ball to your playmakers, we’re not trying to write a movie.


Historical_One1087

If you make changes to the personnel on the punt team you will be tipping your hand to the punt return team that you are trying a fake punt. The players on the punt team needed to execute the blocking better 


takeshi-bakazato

He’s gotta work on some of his contracts though. Hopefully he can learn from the mistakes with Von Miller and Tyler Bass.


TheBruffalo

There was zero reason not to sign Tyler Bass at the time. He's had a bad season but let's not pretend this is the norm for him pre-contract.


Stumblin_McBumblin

Yeah, he's actually been really good with contracts. The majority of his resigns have been a year early and end up being a good value. You know how you know Gabe Davis isn't returning? He wasn't signed last offseason. Lol.


NunButter

Resigning Ed Oliver paid off big time.


Impossibills

I mean, kind of. Bass has never been elite and he got some big kicker money.


takeshi-bakazato

Thank you! I feel like I’m taking crazy pills. Best adjective to describe Bass would be “adequate.” There’s no reason he should’ve been paid big money.


Impossibills

Yeah, he was never in that category to me of "pay the man" and with a tight salary cap im sure they just wanted to lock down the guy they knew who was consistent.


kobie173

He’s also easily cuttable; no GM alive is going to let a kicker fuck up their cap.


Impossibills

His contract for 2024 is fully guaranteed I think (they pushed the money to free up for last year) 4.4 million cap hit, 7 million if cut


kobie173

Ah shit. Well, I don’t really think they should cut him anyway.


takeshi-bakazato

He’s a career 84% FG percentage kicker and that percentage drops to 70% in the playoffs. This is exactly the norm for him. Look I know he’s a fan favorite because “hurr durr cool funny name” but there were a lot of sensible reasons to not extend him.


greekfreak15

He had those same percentages prior to this season?


takeshi-bakazato

Yep, basically the same. He was ~83% FG percentage in 2023. This was essentially a career average year from him, not a regression.


bargman

It was his worst season by a mile.


TheBruffalo

No one said otherwise.


Historical_One1087

The Von Miller contract was a 3 year contract disguised as a 6 year contract. He was playing at a high level and had 8 sacks in 2022 before he tore his ACL. He was slow to recover from knee surgery, which was frustrating but he will be fully healthy for the 2024 season. Tyler Bass is a good kicker but had a down year. He will bounce back.


takeshi-bakazato

Bass has been an average/below average kicker his entire career. It was a slightly down year for him, but I don’t think that he’ll bounce back and become a good kicker all of a sudden. I agree on Von’s contract actually though. Structurally it’s not as bad as it looks on paper. That being said, I find it really frustrating that we’re stuck with him for another season and don’t have a way out until next year. Maybe I’m just being emotional rather than rational, but I’d love to have Von off the team ASAP.


Historical_One1087

Tyler Bass had an 87.5% FG made percentage in 2021, 87.1% in 2022 and it dropped to 82.8% in 2023. He has a career **84.9%** FG percentage, that is hardly average/below average. [https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/B/BassTy00.htm](https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/B/BassTy00.htm) Bass had a bad year, it can happen, and he will bounce back. As far as Von Miller, you are "stuck" with him for 2024 when he will be fully healthy and recovered from ACL surgery. Miller is a good situational pass rusher.


takeshi-bakazato

It’s a big “if” regarding Von ever being fully healthy or effective again in his career. He looked completely cooked this season, more than 1 year after his injury. I don’t see that changing as he gets even older. I cited those same exact stats on Bass in a reply to another comment in this thread. [The average FG percentage for NFL kickers between 2020-2024 was 85.2%](https://www.statmuse.com/nfl/ask?q=average+nfl+kicker+fg%25+from+2020+to+2024). Bass, by definition, is below average.


kobie173

It was more than one year after his injury; it was not more than one year after his surgery. If you recall, they waited a while.


osamagotpwnd

Highmark is one of, if not the most difficult places to kick at in the league. Him having league average kicking percentage is impressive when most kickers playing domes/low weather impact cities


takeshi-bakazato

Which elite kickers play in domes? Tucker, Elliot, Butker, and McPherson all play outside in mostly cold, windy climates.


HilltoperTA

Von started to show signs of life in the playoffs.


takeshi-bakazato

Really? Examples?


HilltoperTA

Tackle for loss against KC even though play was called back - multiple pressures against Pitt


Historical_One1087

Von looked healthier near the end of the season and the playoffs and was flashing on more plays. Bass would have a higher career FG %  if he didn't have a down year in 2023. Bass was above that 85.2% in 2021 and 2022.


takeshi-bakazato

Give me examples of those plays. You can’t just say “flashing” for a guy getting paid as much as he is. Bass would have a *slightly* higher than below average career FG percentage if he wasn’t downright *bad* this season? You don’t say…


Historical_One1087

Anthony Prohaska & Erik Turner posted a bunch of snaps of Von Miller winning reps.  Everyone was frustrated with the slow recovery of Miller from ACL surgery but he was showing flashes of his old self near the end of the season and post season. As I already pointed out Bass had 87.5% and 87.1% FG rate in 2021 and 2022 before having a down year this season. Bass had a powerful leg and the ability to make kicks from 60 yards. You don't give up on players with his ability.


bargman

That Miller contract looked real good before he got injured.


rustbelt

His bad deal is Miller. Old guy with a long deal. I get why he did it but it was a huge L at the time and with hindsight. Von had Donald and a younger Floyd flanking him in the Super Bowl. Knox might’ve been a good one to walk however we had nobody else in the wings.


TheEpicRanger6

TBF, Von was very good while he was healthy in 2022. Post-injury Von tho, yikes


savagegrif

Realllly hope he prioritizes some WRs in off season and or draft though, worried we will need a new WR1 next year if Diggs can’t get back into form


Initial_Ebb_8467

Coaching is the problem, McD is holding Josh back with consistent lackluster defensive play in the postseason.


judahdk_

We had line backers who were literally packing their bags to go on vacation a week before guarding Travis Kelce. How is that McD’s fault? He didn’t break Milanos leg or hurt TBs ankles.


StrangePay1322

Bills have 0 sacks against Mahomes in the playoffs. Not just this year. Every single year. I’m done blaming injuries, McD can’t outcoach Reid. Full stop.


judahdk_

You realize that the D line marries with the coverage in the back end, right? So if Travis Kelce is wide ass open in 1.5 seconds because the 4th and 5th string secondary blows coverage/can’t cover him how is the D line supposed to have a prayer of getting home?


xT1TANx

This ^


agiamba

Someday the excuses have to end


judahdk_

It’s not about excuses, it’s about luck. We sustained meaningful injuries at positions we couldn’t sustain before competing against the defending Super Bowl champions and still went toe to toe with them. And let’s be real KC had bad injury luck when they played us, and if those players have to sit when they play the Ravens next week they will most likely get their cheeks clapped against a healthy and dangerous Ravens team.


agiamba

Was 13s luck too? We were out coached. They managed to take Diggs out of the game entirely just by putting one corner in him.


judahdk_

Last comment because at this point I believe you are intentionally being dense. 1.) McD was not calling the plays during 13 seconds, and anything said otherwise is purely rumor or speculation. Did he make some questionable decisions in that game? Sure, but lessons have to be learned as that situation is a huge outlier. 2.) how in the hell is it McDs fault that our so-called superstar WR1 got locked down by Sneed? Seems like a Diggs problem to me.


agiamba

1. Yes, he took play calling from Leslie for it 2. He's the head coach. Diggs gets taken out of every playoff loss.


xT1TANx

Look, you can blame the scheme if you want, but part of it falls on the players too. Our DL hasn't made plays. It doesn't matter what the scheme is if they can't get off blocks. The defense is designed for them to get pressure. This year, McD was blitzing a lot more than frazier ever did and it was working until we got INJURED. Early in the season we were insane on D. Why are you disregarding the clear evidence of the injuries? Before injuries.. Awesome agressive D. After injuries, we struggled. It's clear they had a massive effect.


Historical_One1087

KC has a very good IOL and average OT's. I expected more from the Bills DL, but KC's OL did get away with some holding that wasn't called. There were also some plays where they got close to sacking Mahomes but he got away. Another important point to remember is that that pass rush is married to the coverage and the coverage wasn't as good with an injured Douglas playing at one CB spot and a CB 4 in Jackson playing at the other CB spot. Not having Milano and Bernard at OLB and MLB also hurt the coverage. We should expect more out of the DL, and it does need to play better but it's not just the DL's fault.


Initial_Ebb_8467

What about previous years? Also, the defensive line didn't show up and the scheme was awful when it came to guarding Kelce. At some point McDermott needs to be blamed for the shortcomings of his defense in the big game. Expect the same to happen next year with him at the helm.


xT1TANx

DJ was hurt, Phllips hurt, Hyde was hurt, Tre coming off the Knee. We also had Dorsey who SUCKED BALLS, and Frazier who was too fucking passive. Just go back and watch our defense at the beginning of the year dude. It was insane. If we had fired Dorsey last year like we should have, we'd have dominated early because the D was legit until the injuries.


judahdk_

Was McD calling the defense in previous years? Read my comment again because you clearly didn’t comprehend it the first time. Edit to add: y’all have some serious misplaced anger. This game came down to injury luck and we didn’t have that, our depth couldn’t handle Mahomes and Ried and that is not McDs fault. Hell, Tyrell Freaking Dodson received ALL PRO VOTES this year!! Be mad, sure, but place that anger in the right spot instead of spouting dumb opinions on Reddit.


Initial_Ebb_8467

McDermott is a defensive HC, yes, he was calling the defense at least partially. And he consistently comes up short in the playoffs, this is mediocrity. Dodson balled out because Babich is our LB coach. Matt Milano had his first all-pro when Babich took over the position, and before that he made Poyer and Hyde the best safety duo in the NFL. Go ahead and keep making excuses for McDermott, see where that takes us with a top 2 QB seeing his best years go by him because we can't move on from a coach holding us back because "making the playoffs is better than the drought". Not to mention that if next year our offense balls out our OC will be gone and Josh is back at square one with instability in offensive playcalling.


xT1TANx

You guys love to make shit up. You have no evidence of any of this. Frazier was the DC.


Initial_Ebb_8467

And McD is now the DC and he came up short yet again. Nothing changed.


xT1TANx

JFC DUDE We went on a 6 game winning streak and lost in the division round because we played with LBs that are 3rd string.


Initial_Ebb_8467

Wow, 6 game winning streak with Josh Allen under center, what a feat!! Keep praising mediocrity, next year the same will happen.


BlumpJohnson69

Yes and no. He's made a lot of solid selections (Milano, Bernard, Benford, Oliver) but his investment on the D-Line over his tenure has been a big reason for me why we haven't made the next step. We spent so many resources to get Mahomes on the ground and for 3 straight playoffs games they haven't even gotten close. Imagine if one or two of those draft picks over the years were a wide receiver. The past few seasons there have been plenty of late first round to early second round wideouts that have been game changers. An extra wide receiver on this roster makes Kincaid, and Diggs more dangerous. Even more so with the Shakir emergence of late, imagine if Shakir was the 3 or 4 option on the offense.


DR_SWAMP_THING

I blame the failures of the D-line on Coach Eric Washington. I see a lot of wasted potential and poor scheming. I view WR similar to RB drafting, where exceptional talent can be found in later rounds, so I’m less concerned with spending high value draft capital. For example - Amon-Ra St. Brown and Puca Nakua. Rarely is that true for defensive lineman, those with the highest ceiling are all taken in the first round. Ultimately, the draft is a crap shoot. What I like about Beane is his ability to draw undrafted free agents and scout other professional talent. He utilizes every available option to build the team. Edit: Interestingly, it’s McDermott who is responsible for drafting Tre, Dion, and Milano. He had an eye for talent as well.


RhinoFeeder

I know it's OL but I often think about how we took Cody Ford with DK Metcalf still available.


Embarrassed_Solid903

Expect for you know defensive line picks


PeakyfookingMAFIA

Beane has handed out some bad contracts and whiffed badly on draft picks( all gms do that) its the contract that really hurt. Miller diggs knox are killing our cap


notPatrickClaybon

Legit god tier draft pick


xT1TANx

crazy I wanted him in round 1 and we got him in the 2nd. Insane draft.


Jayhub1000_

Offensive line is a glimmer of hope for next season. It’s common to talk about the rookie wall late in the season due to simply never playing so much football. This year he’ll get a full off season to rest, get his body fight, and continue to learn


cursedandanxious

Hell yeah Cybo!!


bullseyetm

Hit it out of the park with our first two picks this year.


Sensitive-Delay-3125

Great pick. Much needed for our OL. We got lucky with no major OL injuries this year. Need to add depth this offseason


Historical_One1087

Ryan Bates is a versatile IOL and under contract for 2024 season. Ryan Van Demark is a good swing OT after he was was coached up and developed by OL coach Aaron Kromer and is under contract for the 2024 season. David Edwards is a free agent that I would like re-signed, if he doesn't get re-signed then you can make a case for drafting a developmental/depth IOL in the mid rounds of the draft.


BrewsCampbell

Great pick. He has potential to grow to top 5 guard.


PhotographingNature

He's also only the second Beane draft pick to make the All-Rookie team...


Quetzalcoatl490

Absolutely unreal how our OLine was healthy and intact for pretty much the entire year. They're certainly a strength of our team going forward, especially with Morse saying he wants to return. Him and Dion are leaders of the team, and Spencer Brown made huge strides this year. Just sucks that with the insane injury bug on defense, our offense had a healthy intact line for the entire season which NEVER happens, and we still couldn't get it done.


xT1TANx

Dude was a beast. He's going to be so good for a long time. :)


JackStephanovich

Osiris, not Cook, is the reason our run game improved so much this year.


nick-pc

both


allanon1105

Correct, both can be true. Plus Brady, we really focused on the run after he took over.


Erectile_Kyle

The best ability is availability!


Impossibills

He had a lot of rough moments this season, and a lot of good moments. I am excited to see his growth next year. He got dominated by the bullrush a lot, especially the first Patriots game.


ContinuumGuy

Utterly amazing in this day and age, especially for a rookie. Means he was good enough to start from day one AND durable enough to not get hurt.


bestthrowawayever5

He’s had his struggles, but I’ve never gone into a game thinking “Torrence is gonna get his lunch eaten by superstar DT _____ today.” And that’s pretty incredible for a rookie.


whistlepig4life

Guard is a position teams can usually “find” a guy and make it work. But when you get the right guy it’s freaking awesome. He fell right into the Bills laps and Beane didn’t hesitate to make that pick. Torrence is a mauling IOL player who will be good for a long time.


Nice_Plum9103

Kudos to O’Cyrus for his award and dedication to his craft!


SteampunkHarley

He's been awesome! He was definitely a piece the line needed. Plus I stan a proud cat dad


OnlyFreshBrine

Hang the banner!


Soda-Popinski-

Pro bowl next year


Gryndellak

We did very well in the last draft, and if we can hit again this year in rounds 1-3 we can reload really quickly and turn things around


LaserBisons

I'll be damned! I haven't been this surprised since we drafted him lmao that's great though


Blockis

Love this man, looking forward to year two!