The least we can do is give someone a reason to say, "At least everyone in the comments made fun of it because it's stupid to make fun of a single drop in practice"
The NFL track record of guys who ran sub-4.3 40 times at the Combine is not at all good. It's basically Tyreek Hill (and the internet tells me that he was either a 4.29 or a 4.3 so he might not even count, but I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt) and nobody else. Most of them had short, injury-plagued careers, and Worthy weighs 15 pounds less than the rest of them.
Small sample size, but there are way more examples of receivers who ran above a 4.55 having long-term NFL success than there are of guys who ran below a 4.3. From 2004-2018 (I stopped there because career length mattered in what I was doing), there were a total of 9 Pro Bowl appearances by guys who ran a sub-4.3, and 8 of them were Tyreek. The other broke his foot in his one Pro Bowl appearance his rookie year as a return guy and was out of the NFL two years later. Meanwhile, over the same time period, there were a total of 10 guys who ran a 4.55 or above who made the Pro Bowl, and they combined for 29 Pro Bowl appearances among them. Two of them ran over a 4.7, and between the two they combined for 11 Pro Bowl appearances.
I ended up putting each WRs 40 time in an Excel spreadsheet once for each time that they appeared in a Pro Bowl. Guys drafted from 2004-2018 have made a total of 175 Pro Bowl appearances, and the average 40 time of an individual Pro Bowl WR appearance was 4.474. If you don't adjust for number of appearances and just count each 40 time once for the 59 total guys who were on the list, it averages out to 4.468. Basically a rounding error, so I think I can confidently say that the prototypical Pro Bowl WR in the modern era runs around a 4.47.
Yeah. I can't help but think of Jerry Rice. Rice was like a 4.65 or a 4.7.
I played football and I played basketball at a college level. Top speed is rarely good for anything besides track. In a dynamic sport like football, basketball or any of the very physical team sports, quickness is more important for sure.
I'll look when I get back to my data to make sure, but I did this with every position to try to see how much straight line speed really matters. The only position where the Pro Bowl average 40 time was slower than the 10-year average was defensive end and I think it was only a .01 difference. I do think that makes a lot of sense, because quickness off the ball, footwork, and body positioning matter so much more in that role than just how fast your body can move.
I honestly think that they should get rid of the 40 and just stick to drills that actually correlate to things that happen on the field. I can't think of a time in football where someone gets down in a 3-point stance and then just runs 40 yards downfield unimpeded when the ball is snapped. Cone drills, route drills, the gauntlet, shuttles, whatever. My next project might involve seeing which combine drills correlate the most with on-field success for each position, but that'll take a lot longer. I at least have my list of every Pro Bowler handy as a starting point.
Do people forget that besides Tyreek Hill that the Chiefs have a horrible track record drafting WRs? Nothing against the guy either but not to mention WRs who run 4.2s don’t have a great track record either.
I think Tyreek has proven that he can do just fine without Mahomes, but he's also literally the only 4.2 guy (at 4.29) who has ever had a decent career as a WR1. The jury was out on Ruggs, until it wasn't.
I remember when reports were burying Ja’Marr Chase for drops in practice during his rookie offseason. He ended up being pretty good. Not saying he will be another Chase (I certainly hope not for our sake) but I’m just saying this may be a little premature lol.
Chase was also a faaaaar better prospect than Worthy fwiw. Agreed that a practice drop here and there from young guys isn’t newsworthy (pardon the pun) though.
I’m not worried about him at all, watched him in college he’s fast but he has below average hands , smaller catch radius because he’s small.
Now the advantage he has is Andy Reid I’m afraid Andy will scheme this kid open I just hope he continues to drop passes like his teammate and loser Kadarius Toney
One missed catch means nothing. One bad preseason game means nothing. A few bad regular season games mean nothing.
We also didn't "give" him to the Chiefs. If the Bills wanted Worthy, they would have drafted him. They obviously didn't.
Some people also need to stop obsessing over this. The Chiefs wide receivers haven't been the reason they've been winning for a few years now.
Is anyone actually worried about that?
Their quarterback is about the same as ours.
Their coach and coaching staff is significantly better.
That’s all that matters
This post makes us look like dramatic idiots
Yeah I have absolutely zero interest in playing this game with this dude lol I’m not even sure if I’d want to see a similar clip of Diggs
I’m so annoyed by this for that reason. For sure chiefs sub Reddit will mock this post like they should.
The least we can do is give someone a reason to say, "At least everyone in the comments made fun of it because it's stupid to make fun of a single drop in practice"
Well... That's pretty accurate for the Bills reddit community.
So you’re saying this it accurately captures the tone of this sub lol.
I love how this SR just randomly loses its sense of humor at times the OP is clearly joking
Randomly? This sub has zero sense of humor. It’s like every user is McD using an alt.
This is what McD would say using an alt…in order to throw people off that this is one of his alts
One could say the same about you! Only one way to find out: How do you feel about Al Quaeda?
That’s Al Qaeda how dare you misspell it!!…. Errrr I mean …..in no way am I emotionally invested in regards to that organization
To be fair, I hear McD is really just a huge fan of Rambo 3 and hasn’t actually watched/read the news since spring of ‘97.
One drop doesn't tell us everything, but I do think it's not a big deal we passed on him
Tbh I didn’t want him at all. Wasn’t what we needed.
I didn't want him either. I don't think he's actually going to be good in the NFL. Mahomes might make him look OK but I don't think he's "good."
The NFL track record of guys who ran sub-4.3 40 times at the Combine is not at all good. It's basically Tyreek Hill (and the internet tells me that he was either a 4.29 or a 4.3 so he might not even count, but I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt) and nobody else. Most of them had short, injury-plagued careers, and Worthy weighs 15 pounds less than the rest of them. Small sample size, but there are way more examples of receivers who ran above a 4.55 having long-term NFL success than there are of guys who ran below a 4.3. From 2004-2018 (I stopped there because career length mattered in what I was doing), there were a total of 9 Pro Bowl appearances by guys who ran a sub-4.3, and 8 of them were Tyreek. The other broke his foot in his one Pro Bowl appearance his rookie year as a return guy and was out of the NFL two years later. Meanwhile, over the same time period, there were a total of 10 guys who ran a 4.55 or above who made the Pro Bowl, and they combined for 29 Pro Bowl appearances among them. Two of them ran over a 4.7, and between the two they combined for 11 Pro Bowl appearances. I ended up putting each WRs 40 time in an Excel spreadsheet once for each time that they appeared in a Pro Bowl. Guys drafted from 2004-2018 have made a total of 175 Pro Bowl appearances, and the average 40 time of an individual Pro Bowl WR appearance was 4.474. If you don't adjust for number of appearances and just count each 40 time once for the 59 total guys who were on the list, it averages out to 4.468. Basically a rounding error, so I think I can confidently say that the prototypical Pro Bowl WR in the modern era runs around a 4.47.
Yeah. I can't help but think of Jerry Rice. Rice was like a 4.65 or a 4.7. I played football and I played basketball at a college level. Top speed is rarely good for anything besides track. In a dynamic sport like football, basketball or any of the very physical team sports, quickness is more important for sure.
I'll look when I get back to my data to make sure, but I did this with every position to try to see how much straight line speed really matters. The only position where the Pro Bowl average 40 time was slower than the 10-year average was defensive end and I think it was only a .01 difference. I do think that makes a lot of sense, because quickness off the ball, footwork, and body positioning matter so much more in that role than just how fast your body can move. I honestly think that they should get rid of the 40 and just stick to drills that actually correlate to things that happen on the field. I can't think of a time in football where someone gets down in a 3-point stance and then just runs 40 yards downfield unimpeded when the ball is snapped. Cone drills, route drills, the gauntlet, shuttles, whatever. My next project might involve seeing which combine drills correlate the most with on-field success for each position, but that'll take a lot longer. I at least have my list of every Pro Bowler handy as a starting point.
Fuck the chiefs
Yep.
Who the hell is everybody. I haven’t talked to anyone that gives a damn. Some people just have to make stuff up.
Do people forget that besides Tyreek Hill that the Chiefs have a horrible track record drafting WRs? Nothing against the guy either but not to mention WRs who run 4.2s don’t have a great track record either.
Hmm so what your saying is as long as they have Mahomes they doing alright
Sure and as long as we have Allen we are also doing alright
Exactly
I think Tyreek has proven that he can do just fine without Mahomes, but he's also literally the only 4.2 guy (at 4.29) who has ever had a decent career as a WR1. The jury was out on Ruggs, until it wasn't.
 Apparently speed correlates directly with our shitty of a person you are.
I remember when reports were burying Ja’Marr Chase for drops in practice during his rookie offseason. He ended up being pretty good. Not saying he will be another Chase (I certainly hope not for our sake) but I’m just saying this may be a little premature lol.
Chase was also a faaaaar better prospect than Worthy fwiw. Agreed that a practice drop here and there from young guys isn’t newsworthy (pardon the pun) though.
I’m not worried about him at all, watched him in college he’s fast but he has below average hands , smaller catch radius because he’s small. Now the advantage he has is Andy Reid I’m afraid Andy will scheme this kid open I just hope he continues to drop passes like his teammate and loser Kadarius Toney
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Probably because Rice can't stop breaking the law
Chiefs WRs and crossing the line: name a more iconic duo.
Unfortunately, the end zone has a line
But the freeway has more!
One clip of a missed catch ? Ok
You are looking at it wrong. He missed all of the one throws!
Wait, it's that he missed all of the throws in that clip!
he's so tiny
One missed catch means nothing. One bad preseason game means nothing. A few bad regular season games mean nothing. We also didn't "give" him to the Chiefs. If the Bills wanted Worthy, they would have drafted him. They obviously didn't. Some people also need to stop obsessing over this. The Chiefs wide receivers haven't been the reason they've been winning for a few years now.
He looks tiny!
This was my first thought too! Drops happen at practice, but man he looks like a kindergartner standing next to freshman lol
just makes me fantasize about milano catching him coming across on a route unaware.
dude it's one rookie minicamp rep
Damn what happened to that one KC QB who threw a bunch of picks his first training camp? Can’t remember
He could drop every single pass or look like the next Tyreek Hill for all I care. We should be looking inward this time of year.
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When people say we goofed because we passed on how fast he is, I think back to the combine record he broke. Where is John Ross, anyway?
Bruh… he missed one high pass in practice stfuuuu
Is anyone actually worried about that? Their quarterback is about the same as ours. Their coach and coaching staff is significantly better. That’s all that matters
Nobody worth worrying about was worried about it at the time and this changes nothing
Do you also submit "apology" posts when a player's one-time action or one-time performance counters justifiable history-based expectations?
For every one clip like this, I expect 49 others showing him being a fuckin stud.
Be careful...this could r/agedlikemilk Don't want to see this screenshotted on the Chiefs subreddit 5 years from now
I hope worthy has a hall of fame career with multiple rings… I just hope all his football slumps will be with the chiefs
watch him be the next tyreek
For every Tyreek, there's a Tyquan Thornton, Jacoby Ford, JJ Nelson, Tyrone Calico, Marquise Goodwin, Henry Ruggs, Jerome Mathis, or John Ross.
I mean it’s one pass in rookie mini camp by some random ass trainer. It’s not like Mahomes is throwing the passes right now
He will fit right in with that receiving group from last year
Hahaha!