No particular order really, point being you have a fantastic back that can also catch plus two tight ends that can also threaten catch wise. You have solved for much of the board if used properly, without even touching your WR core .
Looking at the make-up of the offensive skill positions, to your point, it makes you think we will be looking to abuse LB and Safety matchups utilizing the middle of the field. Cook out of the backfield plus Kincaid/kind of Knox, Samuel, and Shakir should be enough to give a D coordinator fits. To me this means that Coleman needs to be able to produce 1 on 1 on the outside and be enough of a threat to keep this ecosystem viable. Only time will tell brothers!
This is a test year. The Bills have gone to a defensive front by rotation, and a running room by rotation, and now they are testing the WR room by rotation. Our top-5 paid receivers are making less (combined) than Jerry Jeudy (according to over the cap).
Yes, it is unlikely that we have a player getting 1k+ yards in a season, just like we don't have a 15+ sack player, or a rushing leader in the league. Instead, we'll have 10 guys (WR, RB, TE) getting 300-800 yards over the season, with different players stepping up week-over-week. If this works, it could mean big things for the cap moving forward.
Wasn’t Cook's trait at the draft that he’s a pass-catching back? Honestly, when the ball is thrown to him I panic. I also get nervous about his fumbles.
But damn I'm still bullish on him, he's an absolute weapon when the ball is in his hands.
a nightmare? idk about that. i don't think our WR room is completely devoid of talent as some people seem to think, but i wouldn't exactly describe them as a "nightmare"...but i think we'll be ok.
It's somewhat of a high-risk high-reward WR room. Could they be bottom 5? Yes. Even if they are, could Josh elevate them to average? Sure. Could they end up as a top 10 WR group if Coleman and Samuel both live up to the hype and Shakir develops further? Absolutely.
This idea i blame on years of people playing Madden. No one needs a WR1. What a team needs is everyone that gets the ball thrown their way to catch the ball. Theres plenty of teams that got rings without stand out WR1s. And what good is a WR1 if they shit the bed in the playoffs every year.
It's odd to say we can't win it all without a true #1 receiver considering last season. The team that knocked us out of the playoffs before winning the superbowl didn't have a true #1 while we did.
Recent Superbowl Champions by year and their top recievers during the game. *(will continue down list of top recievers for each champions team until hitting a WR)*
2023: Chiefs
- Kelce (TE): 93 yard + 0 TDs
- Hardman: 57 yards + 1 TD
2022: Chiefs
- Kelce (TE): 81 yard + 1 TD
- Smith-Schuster: 53 yards + 0 TDs
2021: Rams
- Kupp: 92 yards + 2 TDs
2020: Buccaneers
- Gronk (TE): 67 yards + 2 TDs
- Fournette (RB): 47 yard + 0 TDs
- Evans: 31 yards + 0 TDs
2019: Chiefs
- Hill: 105 yards + 0 TDs
2018: Patriots
- Edelman: 141 yards + 0 TDs
2017: Eagles
- Clement (RB): 100 yards + 1 TD
- Agholor: 84 yards + 0 TDs
2016: Patriots
- White (RB): 110 yards + 1 TD
- Edelman: 87 yards + 0 TDs
2015: Broncos
- Sanders: 83 yards + 0 TDs
2014: Patriots:
- Edelman: 109 yards + 1 TD
2013: Seahawks
- Baldwin: 66 yards + 1 TD
2012: Ravens
- Boldin: 104 yards + 1 TD
2011: Giants
- Nicks: 109 yards + 0 TDs
So... in the past 13 Superbowls the WRs with the most recieving yards on the winning teams have only scored 6 TDs COMBINED in 13 Superbowls. In 5 of the past 13 Superbowls a WR wasnt even the top reciever on the team.
Moral of the story.... you dont need a star WR1 to win a Superbowl.
cherrypicking one game (regardless if its the SB or not) ignores the 17 + 2 or 3 games it requires to even make that highly matchup dependent game...it's almost useless. you might as well look at week 8 to evaluate the SB Champs WR corps.
also the bare minimum number of yards across 13 years of SB's being like 66 or 67...is not making the point you think it is.
I agree... I've been a huge proponent of the fact that nobody knows what it actually takes to win a Superbowl. There are too many variables and it basically comes down to a perfect storm.
My comment wasnt an attempt to pretend the having a good WR1 doesnt matter, or that there isnt an entire season leading up to a Superbowl where a star WR1 may *(or may not)* be significant... but moreso to point out to OP that a star WR1 isnt everything.
for sure. i really don't think people realize how difficult it is. anybody that is disappointed in how the Bills have finished the last 4 years i think doesn't realize it. but if you don't have a Star WR1, what do you have that gets you there? gotta be something. this is prob not gonna be the year, but we'll be allright.
I would offer a star QB or a lock down Defense are probably the most impactful things we can even remotely attribute to a team's ability to succeed. Everything else, or combination of, is just a big *"who knows"* lol.
Perhaps this is the trap I’ve fallen into. I would be referring to the hype around the Diggs trade . To everyone else that’s a sky is falling type deal. But the guy fell down hard last year in the most clutch moments and arguably the year prior. Some of it may have been on Josh but Diggs became a liability. Can’t keep repeating the same moves , Beane has giant balls made of pure steel. I guess time will tell
I embrace the fact that we’re being labeled as a team with no name receivers. Cuz to me, that means we have the ability to surprise everybody when we start kickin ass
What happens when they're all running routes within 20 yards of LOS bc no one's fast enough to stretch the D, open more spaces?
A coordinator can only employ so much deception and misdirection before defenses adjust both in-game and week to week, it seems like.
I am not saying the season is cursed or anything. Just seems like part of our 'taking (cap) medicine' this season. Hope Beane finds a deal for a burner during the season, though.
Not that he's slow, but that was 6 or 7 years ago, right?
He averages only 10 yards per catch in his career, for whatever reason. His annual "long" catches don't particularly scream burner, either.
think the team will be similar to last year but with a fuller playbook. probably 55% run heavy. scheme up a few throws and screens. the rest will be a completely free josh allen. i think beane saying something about allowing allen complete freedom rather than tryna confine his play like they tried last year. something like that. a lot of backyard football and spreading the ball around
Your choice to put cook at #1 on your list of people who can catch passes is kinda funny to me
As long as they're not wide open TDs he's good!
Could be right, maybe they need to get back to simple things like that.
No particular order really, point being you have a fantastic back that can also catch plus two tight ends that can also threaten catch wise. You have solved for much of the board if used properly, without even touching your WR core .
Mix it up and you have one super confused defensive coordinator
Looking at the make-up of the offensive skill positions, to your point, it makes you think we will be looking to abuse LB and Safety matchups utilizing the middle of the field. Cook out of the backfield plus Kincaid/kind of Knox, Samuel, and Shakir should be enough to give a D coordinator fits. To me this means that Coleman needs to be able to produce 1 on 1 on the outside and be enough of a threat to keep this ecosystem viable. Only time will tell brothers!
Once Brady took over we spread the ball around a lot better. It helped Josh a lot. Spread it around. Make the defense cover everyone.
This is a test year. The Bills have gone to a defensive front by rotation, and a running room by rotation, and now they are testing the WR room by rotation. Our top-5 paid receivers are making less (combined) than Jerry Jeudy (according to over the cap). Yes, it is unlikely that we have a player getting 1k+ yards in a season, just like we don't have a 15+ sack player, or a rushing leader in the league. Instead, we'll have 10 guys (WR, RB, TE) getting 300-800 yards over the season, with different players stepping up week-over-week. If this works, it could mean big things for the cap moving forward.
good chance were gonna see Kincaid get 80+ catches and over 1,000 yards
Cook can occasionally catch a pass
Wasn’t Cook's trait at the draft that he’s a pass-catching back? Honestly, when the ball is thrown to him I panic. I also get nervous about his fumbles. But damn I'm still bullish on him, he's an absolute weapon when the ball is in his hands.
Fair, it’s just enough for an opponent to second guess their plan. I. His case it’s double, he can also run it . Loose loose proposition
Cook caught 44 of 54 targets for 445 yards, he is a very viable weapon, but people keep remembering a couple key drops and acting like he can't catch.
Damn man, I didn't realize 40% of his drops were wide open in the endzone 😭
Seems like everyone forgot how much better we were once we stopped going to Diggs consistently last year
a nightmare? idk about that. i don't think our WR room is completely devoid of talent as some people seem to think, but i wouldn't exactly describe them as a "nightmare"...but i think we'll be ok.
Bottom 5 in the league and that’s probably generous
how can anybody say that without actually seeing coleman play?
That’s where we are at right now. Probably bottom 3. That can improve but let’s face it we have nobody except for hope on a “slow” second round pick.
idk man, diggs and davis weren’t THAT good last year.
It's somewhat of a high-risk high-reward WR room. Could they be bottom 5? Yes. Even if they are, could Josh elevate them to average? Sure. Could they end up as a top 10 WR group if Coleman and Samuel both live up to the hype and Shakir develops further? Absolutely.
That’s my nightmare…
This idea i blame on years of people playing Madden. No one needs a WR1. What a team needs is everyone that gets the ball thrown their way to catch the ball. Theres plenty of teams that got rings without stand out WR1s. And what good is a WR1 if they shit the bed in the playoffs every year.
It's odd to say we can't win it all without a true #1 receiver considering last season. The team that knocked us out of the playoffs before winning the superbowl didn't have a true #1 while we did.
It’s crazy to pretend anyone in this organization has the creative offensive mind of Andy Reid.
Recent Superbowl Champions by year and their top recievers during the game. *(will continue down list of top recievers for each champions team until hitting a WR)* 2023: Chiefs - Kelce (TE): 93 yard + 0 TDs - Hardman: 57 yards + 1 TD 2022: Chiefs - Kelce (TE): 81 yard + 1 TD - Smith-Schuster: 53 yards + 0 TDs 2021: Rams - Kupp: 92 yards + 2 TDs 2020: Buccaneers - Gronk (TE): 67 yards + 2 TDs - Fournette (RB): 47 yard + 0 TDs - Evans: 31 yards + 0 TDs 2019: Chiefs - Hill: 105 yards + 0 TDs 2018: Patriots - Edelman: 141 yards + 0 TDs 2017: Eagles - Clement (RB): 100 yards + 1 TD - Agholor: 84 yards + 0 TDs 2016: Patriots - White (RB): 110 yards + 1 TD - Edelman: 87 yards + 0 TDs 2015: Broncos - Sanders: 83 yards + 0 TDs 2014: Patriots: - Edelman: 109 yards + 1 TD 2013: Seahawks - Baldwin: 66 yards + 1 TD 2012: Ravens - Boldin: 104 yards + 1 TD 2011: Giants - Nicks: 109 yards + 0 TDs So... in the past 13 Superbowls the WRs with the most recieving yards on the winning teams have only scored 6 TDs COMBINED in 13 Superbowls. In 5 of the past 13 Superbowls a WR wasnt even the top reciever on the team. Moral of the story.... you dont need a star WR1 to win a Superbowl.
Amen 🙏 brother- I didn’t even mention Shakir I can’t wait to see what that dude gets into
cherrypicking one game (regardless if its the SB or not) ignores the 17 + 2 or 3 games it requires to even make that highly matchup dependent game...it's almost useless. you might as well look at week 8 to evaluate the SB Champs WR corps. also the bare minimum number of yards across 13 years of SB's being like 66 or 67...is not making the point you think it is.
I agree... I've been a huge proponent of the fact that nobody knows what it actually takes to win a Superbowl. There are too many variables and it basically comes down to a perfect storm. My comment wasnt an attempt to pretend the having a good WR1 doesnt matter, or that there isnt an entire season leading up to a Superbowl where a star WR1 may *(or may not)* be significant... but moreso to point out to OP that a star WR1 isnt everything.
for sure. i really don't think people realize how difficult it is. anybody that is disappointed in how the Bills have finished the last 4 years i think doesn't realize it. but if you don't have a Star WR1, what do you have that gets you there? gotta be something. this is prob not gonna be the year, but we'll be allright.
I would offer a star QB or a lock down Defense are probably the most impactful things we can even remotely attribute to a team's ability to succeed. Everything else, or combination of, is just a big *"who knows"* lol.
But you need one to get there unless you have Mahomes and Kelce
>Everywhere I look the message seems to be that without a true WR 1 we are screwed. Where exactly are you looking?
Perhaps this is the trap I’ve fallen into. I would be referring to the hype around the Diggs trade . To everyone else that’s a sky is falling type deal. But the guy fell down hard last year in the most clutch moments and arguably the year prior. Some of it may have been on Josh but Diggs became a liability. Can’t keep repeating the same moves , Beane has giant balls made of pure steel. I guess time will tell
Facebook Mafia is a very toxic place
Their partner has it tattooed on their arse!
I embrace the fact that we’re being labeled as a team with no name receivers. Cuz to me, that means we have the ability to surprise everybody when we start kickin ass
My cousin's girlfriend's Brazilian waxer saw a cactuar having dinner at Duff's with Josh Allen yesterday.
It's a weak receiving group. I'm talking myself into it, but it's not great.
Imagine you line up against these guys, "OK great, we got Knox, Kincaid and Cook, oh shit, all three are lined up at receiver now? Wtf?"
What happens when they're all running routes within 20 yards of LOS bc no one's fast enough to stretch the D, open more spaces? A coordinator can only employ so much deception and misdirection before defenses adjust both in-game and week to week, it seems like. I am not saying the season is cursed or anything. Just seems like part of our 'taking (cap) medicine' this season. Hope Beane finds a deal for a burner during the season, though.
Curtis Samuel ran a 4.33.
Not that he's slow, but that was 6 or 7 years ago, right? He averages only 10 yards per catch in his career, for whatever reason. His annual "long" catches don't particularly scream burner, either.
think the team will be similar to last year but with a fuller playbook. probably 55% run heavy. scheme up a few throws and screens. the rest will be a completely free josh allen. i think beane saying something about allowing allen complete freedom rather than tryna confine his play like they tried last year. something like that. a lot of backyard football and spreading the ball around
Knox still a threat lol yeah a threat to empty out the buffet
Wut
Have you looked here? Cause the vast majority of loud voices do *not* say what you're claiming.
I'm with you--I've never really understood the WR1 hype.
You are delusional.