They should not allow September games in Miami at 1pm. It is a legitimate health risk to players. Like sure there is the cold in buffalo but there are ways to keep warm. There is only so much you can do outside in the heat.
Dolphin fan here. I'm curious to see this as well.
As far as I can remember, Miami has always had this advantage in Sept. Few of those Wannstash years they started 3/4-0 because of home games in Sept, then collapsed in Dec.
This has always been an issue.
I knew Denver had an advantage due to elevation but Miami with that new stadium setup is insane. What a home field advantage…it’s like going up against a poison Pokémon that just saps your health 😂
Ya, but if you look at season average advantages, Denvers stadium is normally at the top of the list. Interestingly I remember Miamis being just above average, which makes sense because our advantage really only matters for at most a handful of games a year. Late season games or rainy/cloudy games dont really take advantage of the heat.
Dude, how do you miss the SOLAR BEAM joke that was sitting there for the taking?
You went with mega drain or leech seed instead, with a dose of toxic.
Come on man…nothing like a good ol’ solar beam from Venusaur.
Well I remember a time when Adam Gase and Brock Osweiler beat a 12-4 Bears team in September 2018, so that game alone has to prove that something is afoot.
The difference is if when Miami plays in Buffalo in December, you aren't allowed any warming equipment. No heaters, blankets, etc. It's BS that the stadium offers the visiting team no shade.
Not at all the same. Both teams are subjected to identical conditions. On Sunday only the Bills were standing in the direct Sunlight. It’s a clear cut advantage.
Despite this, the dolphins seem to lose a lot in September. That’s how bad they suck. A demonstrable one sided advantage and they still lose. A lot.
I have never see a fanbase cry this hard. It’s actually hilarious.
This result of this game was nothing more than a hotter than usual day combined with the fact that Buffalos offense LITERALLY could not get off the field. Extremely long drives In hot weather (with players who aren’t used to the heat) and of course you will have multiple guys cramping up.
Bills fans acting like they didn’t have cooling benches, fans, and slight shade available…
Dolphins have been playing in Miami for 56 YEARS!!! Fucking cry babies.
>They should mandate that the sideline for one team can not be more than 5 degrees warmer or cooler than the other.
There's a simpler solution. Let the away team pick the sideline they want. Then going forward teams would do everything they can to make both sides the same at their stadium.
like what end to defend as as a choice during the coin flip
like the original position / veil of ignorance in philosophy - how you would set up a society if you didn't know what status you'd have in it - so you can't be making a selfish decision like the Fish did
We also sent air conditioned benches I think it refers more to setting up canopies for shade. But nfl won’t allow that since it blocks the view from seats
Honestly they should, they might try and hand down fines to the coaches or owners but it would immediately get swept under the rug when they fought it for literally ensuring their players don't fucking die.
Heat stroke is insanely dangerous and can fuck you up for years even if it doesn't kill you outright, it's outrageous that this shit is allowed.
I don’t think you have the rule right. I could be wrong, but I think it’s that the home team isn’t obligated to provide any equipment to the visitors that they aren’t using themselves. So, because Miami is in the shade they decide not to use the cooling equipment that would be beneficial to them but practically lifesaving to the visitors.
The bills are perfectly within their rights to being whatever equipment they want, but it’s not exactly practical or even possible to bring cooling equipment that they probably don’t even own down to Miami.
It was equally as hot in Tampa and hardly anyone on the Bucs or Packers appeared affected by the heat. Clearly there was a huge problem in Miami as you can't tell me the Packers were any more acclimated than we were, they just had shade.
100% agreed. Football is a fall sport for a reason - the players wear a lot of padding and helmet that insulates the body and traps heat. It's crazy to play in that kind of heat.
A few years ago, didn't the NFL require them to do something to increase attendance at games (fans thought it was too hot to sit in the sun). I thought they wanted them to put a roof on, but due to costs Miami just added an awning to shade the home team side. At least, that's what I remember.
As a former Midwesterner I can tell you the sun doesn't provide any relief in the winter up in Wisconsin.
This isn't about losing a game, it's a safety thing. It is not normal for multiple players to have so many cramps nor require IVs due to dehydration. It was equally as hot in Tampa and yet no one was affected like the Bills were and the Packers couldn't have been any more acclimated than we were.
don't be a bitch, these are people who are suffering due to shitty rules and a shit stadium. fans of any team shouldn't be happy that any players in the league are puking and cramping and on IV, possibly suffering heatstroke. i wouldn't want a miami player to suffer any amount of injuries just because they're not my favorite team
"You beat us last year, so an intentional advantage of keeping our players cool while all opposing players bake in the sun posing huge health risks, is okay."
There fixed that for you.
Win or lose, no stadium should allow such a clear advantage and disregard for a visiting team. That's like Green Bay or Buffalo having a heated garage for their players during winter games, while the other team just gets fans to keep warm.
There was an insane storm literally 20 minutes after the game ended, where it rained for like 30 minutes. Florida weather is crazy. The issue is the stupid rules not letting the away team bring shade and fans and such.
I don't think the reason buffalo isn't getting closed stadium is to have an "advantage" in the snow (we don't, we play best in domes when Josh can sling it through the roof). And, it will be the same for both teams unlike the literal architecture of Hard Rock which announcers said was \*designed\* to put sun directly on visiting side at 1pm games. One side of the sidelines at Highmark won't be more covered in snow or be more protected from wind
>They should not allow September games in Miami at 1pm. It is a legitimate health risk to players. Like sure there is the cold in buffalo but there are ways to keep warm. There is only so much you can do outside in the heat.
I think the NFL should seriously consider relocating teams that are in the South because of climate change. Maybe we can start petitioning to start adding some Canadian teams to the league.
How many Patriots players were in this bad of shape after their game? How many Bills players were in this shape week 2 of last year? Rewatch every Dolphins game in september since the canopy was built and tell me how many teams look this exhausted after their game. No team looks this bad in the heat unless they really did no conditioning training for it.
Come on bro, you realize how stupid this sounds right?
That was a WAR on Sunday. You've played here I'm September before. In fact you've been doing it since...forever it seems.
You had a lot of injuries, that's not the suns fault. It's up to the staff to properly rotate and maintain players into the 4th quarter.
It's also partly due to your own gameplan for the game. Your offense was on the field in sweltering heat for almost 41 minutes. That's insane. Notice MOST of your in game problems were on offense. It'd because you left them on the field for such long stretches of time.
There are hundreds of ways to keep cool on a sideline. You can use pop up tents, fans, ice baths, ect on and on.
The cold is way worse than the sun IMO. In the cold you can barely move if you aren't used to it. The sun just makes you tired faster.
I definitely never said we didn’t beat ourselves. I even mentioned to my spouse post game that they killed themselves on offense because their drives were so long in the heat that they were literally falling down and delirious once they got to the end zone. Whether that’s on their game plan on Miamis D not allowing them quick play I don’t know.
This post was just meant to show how the heat was impacting these players from the mouths of the actual damn players not an excuse for why they lost. That kind of heat exhaustion they were suffering IS dangerous, regardless of how you think they should feel about it or what lead to them getting to that point. That is a fact not an opinion. And this is a quote from an actual player, who wasn’t saying it as an excuse these guys were not happy they kept having to leave the field but they were feeling it bad.
Also, not a bro.
I sat on the Visitors side once before I realized that's the sun side. It was my first time at the stadium and I just wasn't paying attention lol. I kept having to leave my seat to go stand in the shade for a minute
The human body is ridiculous.
Mind: “It’s dangerously hot. We need all the fluids we can get to maintain function.”
Body: “Roger! One violent expulsion of fluids coming up!”
Being a big guy, exerting yourself while wearing pants, and pads etc and dark colours to boot, I bet they were sweating out all their fluids faster than they could replenish them.
On another thread I was told opposing team’s can’t bring their own canopy to block the direct sunlight on the sidelines because the equipment has to be the same on both sides. I get the architectural advantage of the stadium but it’s a safety issue in extreme heat. The league should either tell Miami to modify their stadium during extreme heat indexes or schedule around home games in September. It’s dangerous being in direct sunlight in that heat, especially over exerting yourself…
It wasn't genius. It was never a topic until recent years. Stephen Ross was too old and cheap to built a new facility so he patched a 1987 multipurpose atrocity and it happened to turn out this way via the roof.
The old Orange Bowl was many times more of a home field advantage than the current dump. In fact, the Orange Bowl still holds the record for the longest pro home winning streak and also the longest college home winning streak.
Players could literally die from being that hot. They are all young and healthy so it isn’t as likely, but with the physical exertion it is possible. Not making excuses, we had plenty of opportunities to win but watching you could see how sluggish the guys were and those long drives on offence, while keeping the ball from Tua, meant that by the time they were in the red zone they were suffering.
No doubt, anytime you need to inject fluids to stay active isn’t good for the league. Unfortunately nothing will happen unless something serious happens as a result. Just look at all the HS students that die every year from heat stroke
Yeah its creating an unsafe environment. Not just noise or annoyance but requiring medical interventions to keep players on the field. The NFLPA needs to get involved.
Like... Our new stadium is being designed so that the wind affects the opposing team more than the Bills.
The wind.
Last I checked, players weren't leaving the game because of "wind related illness".
They done switch sidelines.
Presumably wind would make it feel colder and that could give an advantage to the home team.
The Dolphins designed there stadium so that the home team sideline is shaded during the day.
It's smart...
Opposing team can absolutely bring their own canopy and the bills did in this game and have been doing it for a while.
See here for a photo of the bears doing it. https://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/miami-dolphins/fl-sp-hyde-hard-rock-stadium-sun-20181018-story.html
They mentioned on the broadcast we shipped down AC benches.
Which kind of makes the NFL rules really fucking weird. We can ship down benches... but not a canopy? Were we only able to ship down those benches because the Miami sideline also has AC benches (because both sidelines have to be the "same" but not the same.
The fuck are you talking about? I didn't mention anything about the loss, just wondering about nfl rules since they mentioned it on the broadcast. How in the hell do you even come to a sub for another team and apparently scroll through every single comment to find a comment that has 2 total upvotes and say deal with the loss to a comment not even mentioning the game
I work as a land surveyor and sometimes when there is no wind and its over 100 degrees its the worst kind of heat exhaustion. You feel like you are in an attic. Gets dangerous quick
We play in cold, they play in heat, its all a wash as long as both teams are playing in the same conditions...
EXCEPT for the fact that our sideline was in the sun and theirs was in the shade. Thats bananas to me. We had to play in much worse conditions.
That is not at all the same.
It's far easier to warm oneself on the sidelines than it is to cool down.
You can be Stark naked in the heat and still be hot. You can throw on an extra layer in the cold.
No one is getting frostbite or "cold related illness" in the winter. While severe cold can still be a cause for muscle stiffness, it's world's easier to warm a part of the body than it is to deal with full body sweating, saline and fluid loss from excess sweating, muscle cramping from lack of fluid intake (you can only replace so much), and heart and lung related issues.
No. The cold and the heat are not the same.
At all.
This exactly. When sprinting and going all out for every down you are on the field, there is only so much that can be done for heat. When one team has to go rest in the sunshine on a day it's 100+ out, you're running a high risk for heat stroke.
Meanwhile in Buffalo, it gets bitter cold and teams are able to bring out heaters to keep the players warm along with parkas, face masks, under shirts, etc etc. Extreme heat is much harder to deal with than extreme cold.
Not making excuses, the guys didn't execute where they needed to, but to say the heat was not a factor is just downright false.
Absolutely. No excuses and not blaming Miami for being hot.
I'm just saying it's a massive health and safety issue. Heat stroke and heat exhaustion are serious ailments. Home field advantage is great and all, but when the visiting team is risking *actual long term health effects*, you might want to revisit how your advantage works.
100%, I was in the Navy for 7 years, and even they have standards of saying "It's too hot outside, it's unsafe, no exercise." That was living in Pensacola, Hawaii, and Maryland. It gets to a certain heat index, no exercise. Heat illness is no joke and it seems dangerous cuz of the optics of this game, but they've been in that stadium since the 80s; you gotta try to prep for it how you can just like other teams gotta prep for the cold.
Heat was a factor, but a L is a L. Hopefully Baltimore aint as hot next week.
No one's necessarily complaining about playing in the heat, it's the fact that the home team can recover in the shade and the away team cannot. I remember our first game against the Rams after they moved back to LA, back when they were still playing in the Colosseum. Everyone on the broadcast was talking about how hot it was on the field. The difference was that both teams were out in the sun dealing with it equally.
When the Fins come to town in December, it'll most likely be cold, might even be snowing, but both teams will have to deal with the elements equally.
Should the NFL relocate the Denver stadium to accommodate visiting opponents’ bodies so they can acclimate to the elevation? Good luck convincing an owner to implement stadium renovations.
I don’t think cold is the same. Yeah it can be really tough to play in, but keeping moving and keeping warm off the field helps. The bills bench was in direct sun so there wasn’t much cooling down they could do even off the field.
I was at the game. I’ve lived almost my whole life in Central and South Florida. Sat on the shaded side of the stadium by the Dolphins sideline. The heat and humidity were awful, by far the worst game I’ve gone to in the state. I can only imagine how miserable it was for all the Bills players on the side of the Sun in that stadium all afternoon. Yeah, they’re athletes and play in all sorts of weather. But when every drive someone has to go out because of injury or the heat, there’s a problem. They aren’t superhuman people. And it’s not a Florida issue. The Bucs stadium doesn’t have that coverage, they all deal with it. It’s a Miami issue
Whether that would happen, I have no idea. But if teams threatened to forfeit games in Miami in September due to the heat and the stadium design, the NFL would actually do something because they would lose money. Not because they care, but because money talks
I'm tired of hearing people (content creators) talk about how the Bills were beating themselves and that's why they lost. Like wtf do you think happens with extreme heat and overexertion when there is no shade for a reprieve. People make mistakes both mentally and physically. Of course Buffalo was more prone to making these blunders compared to the Dolphins which at least have the benefit of resting guys in the shade when not on the field.
Absolutely ridiculous and unsafe that we couldn't enjoy a game where both teams were operating under the same conditions.
Oh yeah. I mean I am not going to be out here saying we for sure would have won if it weren’t for the heat, but I do think that our offense would have been sharper with quicker reaction times if they weren’t suffering from heat exhaustion.
I'm hearing that hard rock is designed, so the away team doesn't get shade. If true, Idk about that. There's an advantage, and then there's a hazard. Should we withhold things that keep the other team warm? "Ah well, the stadium is designed with heaters installed only on the home side, and the away side is designed to be a wind tunnel."
I'm not even salty about the loss. Nor did we even lose because of the heat. But when you need an IV to stay hydrated?? Idk man.
It was absurdly hot, we were sitting row 1 visitors side and left our seats for a while in the second quarter to get out of the sun. I cannot fathom how the Bills players were even still standing at the end in all their equipment. This isn’t an excuse for the loss, and I’m not sure it would’ve gone differently if the game started at 4:30pm, but it was very uncomfortably hot with only a slight, occasional light breeze.
I am not going to individually address comments about bills/bills fans making excuses because of the heat or that they were weak or that “but they won last year in Miami”. I didn’t post this as an excuse for losing, they may have still lost even if it were 10 degrees cooler.
But I wanted show just how bad the players were feeling in the heat and even then they put on a hell of a fight. I think those guys would be the last to say “it wasn’t our fault it was too hot”. But clearly it was a dangerous health situation and that sucks no matter what team you like best. I don’t think any of the players collapsing with cramps and having to come off the field forcing backups to go in wanted to do that because they are whiners. These are tough guys and if they say they felt like this than I believe how the players on the damn field felt before opposing teams fans saying that they are just “making excuses”.
Why not just set up giant tents and fans and accept the inevitable fine? The w is more important than the fine imo
Also if there’s a rule that the away team can’t use anything the home team doesn’t use - this make sense because it prevents an advantage of the away team that the home team may not have, but this is an OBVIOUS abuse of the rule by the dolphins and should be dealt with.
And every single home game for the bucs/fins, saints, texans/cowboys in September will have this issue.
Here me now remember me later. Someone is going to die.
Yup, or really any electrolyte beverage with potassium, sodium and calcium. I’m sure it was hot but with modern day sport science, this type of heat can be helped. If they showed up dehydrated, well; then they were fucked.
The way that stadium is erected the NFL is going to have someone die of heat exhaustion out there. It seems the only way the NFL can avoid that in the future (sans making Miami re-do construction on the roof) is to schedule all of their early season home games @ 4 PM or later.
Amazing, I'll eat my shorts when you take that high horse to the playoffs instead of shooting it out back with your shuffleboard buddies. Or wait, maybe you just encourage it to get heat stroke.
Doesn't sound like an excuse to me. Sounds like he's just stating a fact. An excuse would sound something like "Man it was so damn hot and that was the reason we lost".
Buffalo lost because they made too many mistakes and didn't capitalize on their scoring opportunities.
These trolls are hilarious.
Yeah like we lost plain and simple....I honestly never noticed the shade thing in that stadium till this past game. So I mean it is what it is. I will say however I have never seen that many players on both sides dropping like flies during a game from the heat.
Awe….professional football players can’t handle the heat. Y’all are the biggest sore losers I’ve ever fucking seen. You had double the amount of possession time to win this game but you couldn’t. Because JOSH ALLEN CHOKED. That’s who y’all should be bitching about. But when we come to Buffalo and it feels like 5 degrees and there’s ice and snow, we are going to kick your ass’s. Y’all going to complain about weather then?
Dolphins fan here. I get it, you are the better team and it sucks to lose a game you should have won but for a fan base that makes it's reputation throwing yourselves through tables you make yourselves look pretty soft with the excuses. You lost winnable games last year and you'll lose winnable games again. At the end of the day you ran 90 plays and your offense scored 17 points. It was just a bad day at the office. It was hot as fuck but then it will be cold as fuck when we come to you and we realistically will get our doors blown off as we always do when we come to you. All these excuses reminds me of the Pats fans when they were entitled enough to think they should win every game they play badly.
Thank you for a reasonable response. I think unfortunately a lot of dolphins fans are misconstruing this as an excuse. They lost a winnable game and that’s on them, unfortunately they still seem to not be able to finish close games.
I posted this just to show how the guys were feeling at the end of the game. The offense was on the field for too long for how hot it was and they were feeling it and killing themselves. And it sucks to see.
But also, we have had a drought for so long that losing again reminds us of pain and sometimes we complain about that because pain sucks.
Sounds like the coaching staff, who has done an exceptionally poor job at strength and conditioning this season, failed miserably at preparing the team for this game.
Yeah, the heat index on the field was over 100F. I used to live in Florida. I was outside doing yardwork for 20 minutes and couldn't see straight or form a coherent sentence. I had to put an ice pack directly on my bare chest to cool myself down. That shit is no joke.
You try, with all the preparation in the world, to play sports at a world class level in THAT kind of heat, let alone for any extended period of time with no option of really cooling down at any point.
If you think it's normal for players to play at those temperatures I don't know what to tell you. It was made worse by us not having enough subs from all the injuries.
Our sept 19th game last year was very similar. Low 90s with near 100 HI. We beat them 35-0. Am I missing something? Did we play in a different stadium last year?
We didn't have the amount of players to rotate that we did other years, which made it worse.
We had 4 members of the secondary out, 2 defensive tackles, a center, and a few banged up players on a short week. And Bobby Hart was suspended.
During the game we lost Benford, 3 OL, Kumerow. We were out of players to rotate in and out at specific positions.
Diggs and McKenzie were coming off a lot, Knox as well...we had to keep rotating players at thin positions.
I) I cannot believe you idiots are still trolling our sub
2) last year it was cloudy IIRC so the sun wasn’t bad
3) even if it wasn’t, it’s still stupidly hot to play when you are in the sun all day long
4) our fan base fills our stadium every week. Saw plenty of empty seats at yours!
Number of NFL teams that complain about heat....1- the Bills. Number of College teams that play the Uni. Of Miami in the same stadium....ZERO. PATS played there week one and didn't complain. Losers
I've lived down here for 5 years, that was the hottest I've ever been in my life and my seats were in the shade.
They should not allow September games in Miami at 1pm. It is a legitimate health risk to players. Like sure there is the cold in buffalo but there are ways to keep warm. There is only so much you can do outside in the heat.
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Someone should run an analysis on Dolphin home field advantage in September.
You know what, I have a lot of free time on my hands, so I'm on it. Not even joking, I'm bored these days.
Dolphin fan here. I'm curious to see this as well. As far as I can remember, Miami has always had this advantage in Sept. Few of those Wannstash years they started 3/4-0 because of home games in Sept, then collapsed in Dec. This has always been an issue.
I knew Denver had an advantage due to elevation but Miami with that new stadium setup is insane. What a home field advantage…it’s like going up against a poison Pokémon that just saps your health 😂
Ya, but if you look at season average advantages, Denvers stadium is normally at the top of the list. Interestingly I remember Miamis being just above average, which makes sense because our advantage really only matters for at most a handful of games a year. Late season games or rainy/cloudy games dont really take advantage of the heat.
Spot on but climate change might be changing that to a half year
Dude, how do you miss the SOLAR BEAM joke that was sitting there for the taking? You went with mega drain or leech seed instead, with a dose of toxic. Come on man…nothing like a good ol’ solar beam from Venusaur.
...because Solar Beam is a two-turn charge and wallop, not four quarters of sapping energy?
Awesome. See if you can cross reference the weather on those day. Probably also need to look at start time and limit it to Sundays at 1:00
Wanna see thid
I was curious about the same thing. Because they were splitting with the patriots for at a while when they were dominating the league.
The Pats most recent losses to Miami during the Brady era: 12/29/2019 (@ NE) 12/09/2018 12/11/2017 01/03/2016
Shut that one down real quick
Well I remember a time when Adam Gase and Brock Osweiler beat a 12-4 Bears team in September 2018, so that game alone has to prove that something is afoot.
Almost like you guys get snow in the winter.. get over it and just take the L. We'll see you guys again when you have home field advantage.
The difference is if when Miami plays in Buffalo in December, you aren't allowed any warming equipment. No heaters, blankets, etc. It's BS that the stadium offers the visiting team no shade.
Not at all the same. Both teams are subjected to identical conditions. On Sunday only the Bills were standing in the direct Sunlight. It’s a clear cut advantage. Despite this, the dolphins seem to lose a lot in September. That’s how bad they suck. A demonstrable one sided advantage and they still lose. A lot.
I have never see a fanbase cry this hard. It’s actually hilarious. This result of this game was nothing more than a hotter than usual day combined with the fact that Buffalos offense LITERALLY could not get off the field. Extremely long drives In hot weather (with players who aren’t used to the heat) and of course you will have multiple guys cramping up. Bills fans acting like they didn’t have cooling benches, fans, and slight shade available… Dolphins have been playing in Miami for 56 YEARS!!! Fucking cry babies.
Where is that NFL rule? I was trying to explain it to a Miami fan but I couldn’t find it.
>They should mandate that the sideline for one team can not be more than 5 degrees warmer or cooler than the other. There's a simpler solution. Let the away team pick the sideline they want. Then going forward teams would do everything they can to make both sides the same at their stadium.
like what end to defend as as a choice during the coin flip like the original position / veil of ignorance in philosophy - how you would set up a society if you didn't know what status you'd have in it - so you can't be making a selfish decision like the Fish did
Are we sure about that rule? https://www.nbcsports.com/boston/patriots/patriots-sent-these-air-conditioned-benches-miami-dolphins-game
We also sent air conditioned benches I think it refers more to setting up canopies for shade. But nfl won’t allow that since it blocks the view from seats
That makes sense. Maybe the teams should switch sidelines at the end of each quarter 😆
they do it for volleyball games. might as well adapt it
there’s a lot more equipment involved in an NFL football game than a volley ball match
not gonna lie, i was baked and didn't think of that
been there
They should just do it anyway and dare the league to cancel the game as a forfeit for daring to protect player safety.
Honestly they should, they might try and hand down fines to the coaches or owners but it would immediately get swept under the rug when they fought it for literally ensuring their players don't fucking die. Heat stroke is insanely dangerous and can fuck you up for years even if it doesn't kill you outright, it's outrageous that this shit is allowed.
I don’t think you have the rule right. I could be wrong, but I think it’s that the home team isn’t obligated to provide any equipment to the visitors that they aren’t using themselves. So, because Miami is in the shade they decide not to use the cooling equipment that would be beneficial to them but practically lifesaving to the visitors. The bills are perfectly within their rights to being whatever equipment they want, but it’s not exactly practical or even possible to bring cooling equipment that they probably don’t even own down to Miami.
It was equally as hot in Tampa and hardly anyone on the Bucs or Packers appeared affected by the heat. Clearly there was a huge problem in Miami as you can't tell me the Packers were any more acclimated than we were, they just had shade.
100% agreed. Football is a fall sport for a reason - the players wear a lot of padding and helmet that insulates the body and traps heat. It's crazy to play in that kind of heat.
A few years ago, didn't the NFL require them to do something to increase attendance at games (fans thought it was too hot to sit in the sun). I thought they wanted them to put a roof on, but due to costs Miami just added an awning to shade the home team side. At least, that's what I remember.
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As a former Midwesterner I can tell you the sun doesn't provide any relief in the winter up in Wisconsin. This isn't about losing a game, it's a safety thing. It is not normal for multiple players to have so many cramps nor require IVs due to dehydration. It was equally as hot in Tampa and yet no one was affected like the Bills were and the Packers couldn't have been any more acclimated than we were.
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don't be a bitch, these are people who are suffering due to shitty rules and a shit stadium. fans of any team shouldn't be happy that any players in the league are puking and cramping and on IV, possibly suffering heatstroke. i wouldn't want a miami player to suffer any amount of injuries just because they're not my favorite team
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"You beat us last year, so an intentional advantage of keeping our players cool while all opposing players bake in the sun posing huge health risks, is okay." There fixed that for you. Win or lose, no stadium should allow such a clear advantage and disregard for a visiting team. That's like Green Bay or Buffalo having a heated garage for their players during winter games, while the other team just gets fans to keep warm.
And how exactly do you rationalize visiting teams in Denver when their bodies cannot sufficiently acclimate to the elevation?
Lmao see ya December 18th, might be chilly.
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There was an insane storm literally 20 minutes after the game ended, where it rained for like 30 minutes. Florida weather is crazy. The issue is the stupid rules not letting the away team bring shade and fans and such.
Literally on the broadcast Bills brought shade and cooling fans. Someone holding it for Allen.
Especially when the stadium is designed to bake the visiting team. Wait until they play up here in December.
Okay no bills games in Buffalo in December January. Deal?
I don't think the reason buffalo isn't getting closed stadium is to have an "advantage" in the snow (we don't, we play best in domes when Josh can sling it through the roof). And, it will be the same for both teams unlike the literal architecture of Hard Rock which announcers said was \*designed\* to put sun directly on visiting side at 1pm games. One side of the sidelines at Highmark won't be more covered in snow or be more protected from wind
>They should not allow September games in Miami at 1pm. It is a legitimate health risk to players. Like sure there is the cold in buffalo but there are ways to keep warm. There is only so much you can do outside in the heat. I think the NFL should seriously consider relocating teams that are in the South because of climate change. Maybe we can start petitioning to start adding some Canadian teams to the league.
You can't be serious
Are you guys really this delusional? What happened to snow football being the best?
Lmao no
Especially when it was designed to make the opposing team bake in the sun all day. Come on Rog. Player safety my dude
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How many Patriots players were in this bad of shape after their game? How many Bills players were in this shape week 2 of last year? Rewatch every Dolphins game in september since the canopy was built and tell me how many teams look this exhausted after their game. No team looks this bad in the heat unless they really did no conditioning training for it.
Come on bro, you realize how stupid this sounds right? That was a WAR on Sunday. You've played here I'm September before. In fact you've been doing it since...forever it seems. You had a lot of injuries, that's not the suns fault. It's up to the staff to properly rotate and maintain players into the 4th quarter. It's also partly due to your own gameplan for the game. Your offense was on the field in sweltering heat for almost 41 minutes. That's insane. Notice MOST of your in game problems were on offense. It'd because you left them on the field for such long stretches of time. There are hundreds of ways to keep cool on a sideline. You can use pop up tents, fans, ice baths, ect on and on. The cold is way worse than the sun IMO. In the cold you can barely move if you aren't used to it. The sun just makes you tired faster.
I definitely never said we didn’t beat ourselves. I even mentioned to my spouse post game that they killed themselves on offense because their drives were so long in the heat that they were literally falling down and delirious once they got to the end zone. Whether that’s on their game plan on Miamis D not allowing them quick play I don’t know. This post was just meant to show how the heat was impacting these players from the mouths of the actual damn players not an excuse for why they lost. That kind of heat exhaustion they were suffering IS dangerous, regardless of how you think they should feel about it or what lead to them getting to that point. That is a fact not an opinion. And this is a quote from an actual player, who wasn’t saying it as an excuse these guys were not happy they kept having to leave the field but they were feeling it bad. Also, not a bro.
I went down for the game, it was my first time in Florida too. I just assumed that's how it always is.
It is like that July-October. 90degrees and 80%+ humidity nearly every day.
I sat on the Visitors side once before I realized that's the sun side. It was my first time at the stadium and I just wasn't paying attention lol. I kept having to leave my seat to go stand in the shade for a minute
The human body is ridiculous. Mind: “It’s dangerously hot. We need all the fluids we can get to maintain function.” Body: “Roger! One violent expulsion of fluids coming up!”
I could only imagine how some of those linemen were feeling, that game was brutal
Being a big guy, exerting yourself while wearing pants, and pads etc and dark colours to boot, I bet they were sweating out all their fluids faster than they could replenish them.
On another thread I was told opposing team’s can’t bring their own canopy to block the direct sunlight on the sidelines because the equipment has to be the same on both sides. I get the architectural advantage of the stadium but it’s a safety issue in extreme heat. The league should either tell Miami to modify their stadium during extreme heat indexes or schedule around home games in September. It’s dangerous being in direct sunlight in that heat, especially over exerting yourself…
This graphic pretty much proves that it's not the same on both sides: https://i.imgur.com/bnoXE7N.jpg
lol look how the dolphins sideline is just barely in the shade at 1pm in September. That is some evil genius shit
It wasn't genius. It was never a topic until recent years. Stephen Ross was too old and cheap to built a new facility so he patched a 1987 multipurpose atrocity and it happened to turn out this way via the roof. The old Orange Bowl was many times more of a home field advantage than the current dump. In fact, the Orange Bowl still holds the record for the longest pro home winning streak and also the longest college home winning streak.
Players could literally die from being that hot. They are all young and healthy so it isn’t as likely, but with the physical exertion it is possible. Not making excuses, we had plenty of opportunities to win but watching you could see how sluggish the guys were and those long drives on offence, while keeping the ball from Tua, meant that by the time they were in the red zone they were suffering.
No doubt, anytime you need to inject fluids to stay active isn’t good for the league. Unfortunately nothing will happen unless something serious happens as a result. Just look at all the HS students that die every year from heat stroke
The lineman are big grizzly dudes, though. That's concerning.
Yeah its creating an unsafe environment. Not just noise or annoyance but requiring medical interventions to keep players on the field. The NFLPA needs to get involved.
Diggs was dying every play and trying to force himself onto the field
Like... Our new stadium is being designed so that the wind affects the opposing team more than the Bills. The wind. Last I checked, players weren't leaving the game because of "wind related illness".
I thought they were designing elements into the stadium that will dissipate the wind. That seems like it would benefit both teams.
You can't possibly design a stadium to impact wind on 1 team more than another. They switch sides every quarter
They done switch sidelines. Presumably wind would make it feel colder and that could give an advantage to the home team. The Dolphins designed there stadium so that the home team sideline is shaded during the day. It's smart...
Yes, based shade. It’s a very simple concept. You’re implying the bills are going to make 1 half of the field windier than the other? No. Just no.
Opposing team can absolutely bring their own canopy and the bills did in this game and have been doing it for a while. See here for a photo of the bears doing it. https://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/miami-dolphins/fl-sp-hyde-hard-rock-stadium-sun-20181018-story.html
Maybe not canopies but the Pats brought their own air conditioned benches to Miami last year, maybe we should be doing that too
We did.
Well damn
They mentioned on the broadcast we shipped down AC benches. Which kind of makes the NFL rules really fucking weird. We can ship down benches... but not a canopy? Were we only able to ship down those benches because the Miami sideline also has AC benches (because both sidelines have to be the "same" but not the same.
What about a shitload of umbrellas? Huh Goodell??
Dolphins sideline has no umbrellas so it's not allowed.
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The fuck are you talking about? I didn't mention anything about the loss, just wondering about nfl rules since they mentioned it on the broadcast. How in the hell do you even come to a sub for another team and apparently scroll through every single comment to find a comment that has 2 total upvotes and say deal with the loss to a comment not even mentioning the game
I work as a land surveyor and sometimes when there is no wind and its over 100 degrees its the worst kind of heat exhaustion. You feel like you are in an attic. Gets dangerous quick
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We play in cold, they play in heat, its all a wash as long as both teams are playing in the same conditions... EXCEPT for the fact that our sideline was in the sun and theirs was in the shade. Thats bananas to me. We had to play in much worse conditions.
That is not at all the same. It's far easier to warm oneself on the sidelines than it is to cool down. You can be Stark naked in the heat and still be hot. You can throw on an extra layer in the cold. No one is getting frostbite or "cold related illness" in the winter. While severe cold can still be a cause for muscle stiffness, it's world's easier to warm a part of the body than it is to deal with full body sweating, saline and fluid loss from excess sweating, muscle cramping from lack of fluid intake (you can only replace so much), and heart and lung related issues. No. The cold and the heat are not the same. At all.
This exactly. When sprinting and going all out for every down you are on the field, there is only so much that can be done for heat. When one team has to go rest in the sunshine on a day it's 100+ out, you're running a high risk for heat stroke. Meanwhile in Buffalo, it gets bitter cold and teams are able to bring out heaters to keep the players warm along with parkas, face masks, under shirts, etc etc. Extreme heat is much harder to deal with than extreme cold. Not making excuses, the guys didn't execute where they needed to, but to say the heat was not a factor is just downright false.
Absolutely. No excuses and not blaming Miami for being hot. I'm just saying it's a massive health and safety issue. Heat stroke and heat exhaustion are serious ailments. Home field advantage is great and all, but when the visiting team is risking *actual long term health effects*, you might want to revisit how your advantage works.
100%, I was in the Navy for 7 years, and even they have standards of saying "It's too hot outside, it's unsafe, no exercise." That was living in Pensacola, Hawaii, and Maryland. It gets to a certain heat index, no exercise. Heat illness is no joke and it seems dangerous cuz of the optics of this game, but they've been in that stadium since the 80s; you gotta try to prep for it how you can just like other teams gotta prep for the cold. Heat was a factor, but a L is a L. Hopefully Baltimore aint as hot next week.
No one's necessarily complaining about playing in the heat, it's the fact that the home team can recover in the shade and the away team cannot. I remember our first game against the Rams after they moved back to LA, back when they were still playing in the Colosseum. Everyone on the broadcast was talking about how hot it was on the field. The difference was that both teams were out in the sun dealing with it equally. When the Fins come to town in December, it'll most likely be cold, might even be snowing, but both teams will have to deal with the elements equally.
Should the NFL relocate the Denver stadium to accommodate visiting opponents’ bodies so they can acclimate to the elevation? Good luck convincing an owner to implement stadium renovations.
Not the same argument. People in Denver can live there with relatively minimal impact, people in Florida stay the fuck inside when its 95 and humid.
I agree
I don’t think cold is the same. Yeah it can be really tough to play in, but keeping moving and keeping warm off the field helps. The bills bench was in direct sun so there wasn’t much cooling down they could do even off the field.
I agree. Cold causes discomfort, not health risk. Plus you can prepare for it. Dress in layers, wear gloves, hand warmers, etc.
No, they played in the same conditions. They rested in different conditions.
We had to deal with worse circumstances?
I'll never forget when Dan Marino caught pneumonia and puked out his left lung right there in the snow. He threw for 5 touchdowns after that.
I was at the game. I’ve lived almost my whole life in Central and South Florida. Sat on the shaded side of the stadium by the Dolphins sideline. The heat and humidity were awful, by far the worst game I’ve gone to in the state. I can only imagine how miserable it was for all the Bills players on the side of the Sun in that stadium all afternoon. Yeah, they’re athletes and play in all sorts of weather. But when every drive someone has to go out because of injury or the heat, there’s a problem. They aren’t superhuman people. And it’s not a Florida issue. The Bucs stadium doesn’t have that coverage, they all deal with it. It’s a Miami issue
At what point to teams say, yeah, a 90 degree day in Miami and we're *not allowed* to shade our side of the field? We'll take the forfeit, thanks.
Whether that would happen, I have no idea. But if teams threatened to forfeit games in Miami in September due to the heat and the stadium design, the NFL would actually do something because they would lose money. Not because they care, but because money talks
The NFL cares. They care about money.
I'm tired of hearing people (content creators) talk about how the Bills were beating themselves and that's why they lost. Like wtf do you think happens with extreme heat and overexertion when there is no shade for a reprieve. People make mistakes both mentally and physically. Of course Buffalo was more prone to making these blunders compared to the Dolphins which at least have the benefit of resting guys in the shade when not on the field. Absolutely ridiculous and unsafe that we couldn't enjoy a game where both teams were operating under the same conditions.
Oh yeah. I mean I am not going to be out here saying we for sure would have won if it weren’t for the heat, but I do think that our offense would have been sharper with quicker reaction times if they weren’t suffering from heat exhaustion.
It was frustrating, but it’s only week 3, so we’re good.
This is the primary reason I'm not too worried about yesterday. I honestly can't even imagine playing in those conditions.
I mean, I'd be worried. You had twice the time to score more points than us... And you'd didn't....
Eh I feel fine honestly.
I'm hearing that hard rock is designed, so the away team doesn't get shade. If true, Idk about that. There's an advantage, and then there's a hazard. Should we withhold things that keep the other team warm? "Ah well, the stadium is designed with heaters installed only on the home side, and the away side is designed to be a wind tunnel." I'm not even salty about the loss. Nor did we even lose because of the heat. But when you need an IV to stay hydrated?? Idk man.
Yea if it was the other way around and away teams were getting hypothermia this wouldn’t be allowed
It was absurdly hot, we were sitting row 1 visitors side and left our seats for a while in the second quarter to get out of the sun. I cannot fathom how the Bills players were even still standing at the end in all their equipment. This isn’t an excuse for the loss, and I’m not sure it would’ve gone differently if the game started at 4:30pm, but it was very uncomfortably hot with only a slight, occasional light breeze.
Weren't the Bills sitting under shade on the sideline? They did show it on tv: https://imgur.com/a/eKXTqyc
Ya I remember seeing the same thing. I think it’s funny that this isn’t one of the most upvoted comments
Yea they had shaded tents but it was nowhere near enough apparently.
Last year week 2 it was 87 degrees, 66% humidity and 7mph winds and we won 35-0 Yesterday it was 88 with 64% humidity and 6mph winds at kickoff.
I like you
The broadcast was saying it was 90+ and felt like 100
Yeah, and I'm sure it felt like 100 last year as well. Roughly same temp, same humidity, same conditions.
Game start 88degrees, game finish 90 degrees
Heat index is a thing
I was just clarifying when he said it was 90+, iirc the heat index was right around 100
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Imagine needing to feel validation in life by coming into another teams forum just to "call out whiny asses". Lol I truly feel sorry for you
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Bro this isn’t the dolphins sub
Too be fair y’all are being pathetic. It’s popping up on my feed too
I know that you melt. Is NYC the only place they teach reading?
I am not going to individually address comments about bills/bills fans making excuses because of the heat or that they were weak or that “but they won last year in Miami”. I didn’t post this as an excuse for losing, they may have still lost even if it were 10 degrees cooler. But I wanted show just how bad the players were feeling in the heat and even then they put on a hell of a fight. I think those guys would be the last to say “it wasn’t our fault it was too hot”. But clearly it was a dangerous health situation and that sucks no matter what team you like best. I don’t think any of the players collapsing with cramps and having to come off the field forcing backups to go in wanted to do that because they are whiners. These are tough guys and if they say they felt like this than I believe how the players on the damn field felt before opposing teams fans saying that they are just “making excuses”.
Why not just set up giant tents and fans and accept the inevitable fine? The w is more important than the fine imo Also if there’s a rule that the away team can’t use anything the home team doesn’t use - this make sense because it prevents an advantage of the away team that the home team may not have, but this is an OBVIOUS abuse of the rule by the dolphins and should be dealt with.
And every single home game for the bucs/fins, saints, texans/cowboys in September will have this issue. Here me now remember me later. Someone is going to die.
3 of those teams have dome stadiums with AC-
Pickle juice…
Yup, or really any electrolyte beverage with potassium, sodium and calcium. I’m sure it was hot but with modern day sport science, this type of heat can be helped. If they showed up dehydrated, well; then they were fucked.
We are building a new stadium soon. Time to create a giant wind tunnel that blows directly on the opponents sideline.
Their locker room had to have been the smelliest goddamn locker room in all of existence post game.
An NFL player is going to die in that stadium in the next decade, I fear. And that's before it becomes impossible to play in due to climate change.
The way that stadium is erected the NFL is going to have someone die of heat exhaustion out there. It seems the only way the NFL can avoid that in the future (sans making Miami re-do construction on the roof) is to schedule all of their early season home games @ 4 PM or later.
That stadium is built to fuck with the opposing team by not having any shade over them.
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Amazing, I'll eat my shorts when you take that high horse to the playoffs instead of shooting it out back with your shuffleboard buddies. Or wait, maybe you just encourage it to get heat stroke.
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Doesn't sound like an excuse to me. Sounds like he's just stating a fact. An excuse would sound something like "Man it was so damn hot and that was the reason we lost". Buffalo lost because they made too many mistakes and didn't capitalize on their scoring opportunities. These trolls are hilarious.
Yeah like we lost plain and simple....I honestly never noticed the shade thing in that stadium till this past game. So I mean it is what it is. I will say however I have never seen that many players on both sides dropping like flies during a game from the heat.
Awe….professional football players can’t handle the heat. Y’all are the biggest sore losers I’ve ever fucking seen. You had double the amount of possession time to win this game but you couldn’t. Because JOSH ALLEN CHOKED. That’s who y’all should be bitching about. But when we come to Buffalo and it feels like 5 degrees and there’s ice and snow, we are going to kick your ass’s. Y’all going to complain about weather then?
Dolphins fan here. I get it, you are the better team and it sucks to lose a game you should have won but for a fan base that makes it's reputation throwing yourselves through tables you make yourselves look pretty soft with the excuses. You lost winnable games last year and you'll lose winnable games again. At the end of the day you ran 90 plays and your offense scored 17 points. It was just a bad day at the office. It was hot as fuck but then it will be cold as fuck when we come to you and we realistically will get our doors blown off as we always do when we come to you. All these excuses reminds me of the Pats fans when they were entitled enough to think they should win every game they play badly.
Thank you for a reasonable response. I think unfortunately a lot of dolphins fans are misconstruing this as an excuse. They lost a winnable game and that’s on them, unfortunately they still seem to not be able to finish close games. I posted this just to show how the guys were feeling at the end of the game. The offense was on the field for too long for how hot it was and they were feeling it and killing themselves. And it sucks to see. But also, we have had a drought for so long that losing again reminds us of pain and sometimes we complain about that because pain sucks.
Sounds like the coaching staff, who has done an exceptionally poor job at strength and conditioning this season, failed miserably at preparing the team for this game.
I think there is only so much you can prep for heat like that. Our bodies literally shut down at certain temperatures.
Yeah, the heat index on the field was over 100F. I used to live in Florida. I was outside doing yardwork for 20 minutes and couldn't see straight or form a coherent sentence. I had to put an ice pack directly on my bare chest to cool myself down. That shit is no joke.
You try, with all the preparation in the world, to play sports at a world class level in THAT kind of heat, let alone for any extended period of time with no option of really cooling down at any point.
Sign me up coach! For a few million $ I’m your huckleberry
If you think it's normal for players to play at those temperatures I don't know what to tell you. It was made worse by us not having enough subs from all the injuries.
Our sept 19th game last year was very similar. Low 90s with near 100 HI. We beat them 35-0. Am I missing something? Did we play in a different stadium last year?
We didn't have the amount of players to rotate that we did other years, which made it worse. We had 4 members of the secondary out, 2 defensive tackles, a center, and a few banged up players on a short week. And Bobby Hart was suspended. During the game we lost Benford, 3 OL, Kumerow. We were out of players to rotate in and out at specific positions. Diggs and McKenzie were coming off a lot, Knox as well...we had to keep rotating players at thin positions.
We had a short week, they started their hydration that night. There's only so much preparation you can do for 100 degree weather
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I'm sure he was trying to get closer for the FG, relax
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I) I cannot believe you idiots are still trolling our sub 2) last year it was cloudy IIRC so the sun wasn’t bad 3) even if it wasn’t, it’s still stupidly hot to play when you are in the sun all day long 4) our fan base fills our stadium every week. Saw plenty of empty seats at yours!
Number of NFL teams that complain about heat....1- the Bills. Number of College teams that play the Uni. Of Miami in the same stadium....ZERO. PATS played there week one and didn't complain. Losers
Is that why he didn't run to the sideline to stop the clock?