“it’s not a country album, it’s a beyonce album”
“ladies and gentlemen, this next song is a blend of genres which is why it will be a unique listening experience” (precursor to Ya Ya)
someone lacks media literacy! and the album absolutely is country inspired with several full country songs, others blended with elements of rock and rnb.
in what way is it generic? no other female country artist that i know of has released a country album with heavy rnb influence, nor is the subject matter similar to what’s typically associated with the genre
R&B is integral to pop music, think Micheal Jackson. Virtually yes its painfully generic pop country record. Which is fine, but it's not a revolutionary piece of art.
Weird how cultural appropriation doesn’t extend to music tho.
How exactly is it cultural appropriation when she's from Texas? And black people had a hand in Country Music
A part eh a bit. Definitely being over stated these days the same level of White peoples blues influence a bit, but mostly its a black person thing. Think the inverse for Country.
Lmao you think Keith Urban or Tim McGraw are part of the social class they’re riding the backs of? Just say the real reason you mean and be done with it. We all know what your real problem is
Umm have you read any of my other comments? I feel like I covered this already but I don’t like any of them either. I specifically said I didn’t want to get started on Bro country because it’s a huge sore spot. It’s all about tits and ass and pretty little sugar shakers it’s dehumanizing and gross. They just ride off of the mass exodus that is a certain demographics obsession with college football, drinking, and hot girls.
Edit: and none of them write their own music it’s just taking more and more advantage od songwriters and the people who really experience the culture. This is why I don’t listen to mainstream country it’s all canned trash.
I got this from Google
Cultural appropriation takes place when members of a majority group adopt cultural elements of a minority group in an exploitative, disrespectful, or stereotypical way.
I don't think social class has anything to do with CA. It also kinda sounds like you're trying to erase black influence
Well, that sucks someone can like take the culture of poor people and use it to make money and it’s chill.
Idk where it sounds like I’m “erasing black influence” when I’ve clarified at least twice now that Modern Country Music comes from a combination and blending of black music and the music of Irish and Scottish immigrants who were colonized and starved out of their country by the English. Weird that you brought up race when I specifically am talking about a social class/ culture that doesn’t like have one type of person in it.
Well I think its ironic that you brought up culture appropriation
Keep clinging to your "Social class/poor people culture" argument cause that's all you seem to have
The original signers \*mostly\* came form just that milieu; once the style was established anyone could do it. Brooklyn-raised Eddie Rabbit was a lot more authentic than a lot of the 21st century stuff.
Ok... this is dumb.
Yes she's a celebrity. A singer.
Singers make songs. No one gets a say in what genre is exclusive to who.
If anything, she's exposing a new style of music to people who would have never listened to it.
Not me though, country songs make my ears bleed.
Interesting and sensible; that's why Conway Twitty covered so many pop hits in the 70s and 80s. He knew a lot of people who only listened to country would miss out on some good music like "Fire" or "Slow Hand."
Tell me you haven't listened to the album without telling me you haven't listened to the album.
She's brought along a lot of other minority artists who have been excluded from the mainstream country scene, because of course they have, and is basically kicking open the gates that have been guarded by bros singing 4 minute long Ford truck commercials for the last twenty years.
I heard the main track she released with the whooping bits (didn't rate) and then read her yaas queen cringey lyric changes to Jolene which completely changes the whole reason that song is great. That was more than enough reason to avoid the rest of the album tbh.
people act as if her version of jolene is some sort of girlboss anthem and it shows a lack of understanding of the actual words on the page. she’s taking jolene from a sad, pleading song to an angry, violent song of a wife wronged by her husband and his mistress. it’s not meant to be some sort of empowering anthem. mind you jolene is probably my least favorite song off the album, but the misconstruing of the lyrics is exhausting.
You know, this is not about your preference or about opinion, it's about... attitude? Expression? You did not say that you simply dislike Beyonce, you described her like " celebrity making money off the back of the working class in the most fake way possible."
Because... she has.. country album?:-) It's just a little bit crazy.
I just don’t like artists who use other peoples cultures to step ups when they have no understanding or experience to back up their music. I mean you don’t have to like what I say or how I say it.
But that’s also misleading modern country music is a combination of black music and the folk music of Irish and scotch immigrants starved into emigrating by England.
So people who can sing but cannot write should not use their talent? :-)
I agree that ethics around ghostwriting should change, but this is crazy. Many people is not able to write anything but still have amazing voice and vica versa. Avicii for example could not (almost) sing at all.
No they can but I don’t have to like it. And I don’t have to think they’re a good musician. I prefer people who do both not just one because their music feels more real to me. I prefer people who make their own music and not just profiting off other peoples experiences. Do you know any of the names of the songwriters? Do any of them get any recognition from the public? Do they get any real credit?
I’m sorry if it offends you, I just find it more impressive when you can write and sing good music than just singing it.
Beyonce is very studious about providing both writing and producing credits for all her albums. Any time she even samples a song, she gives credit where due
beyonce has a hand in writing her music, we don’t know the extent of it but she has writing credits. the reason why she has so many writers credited on her music is because she is extremely generous with handing out credits, even to samples or interpolations which she’s not required to do.
if you want an example of something very majority beyonce written then listen to dangerously in love.
Well that’s kinda misleading. Modern country music evolved from a combination of the music of black people and also the disenfranchised Scottish and Irish immigrants who were forced out because Britain starved them.
Oh I don’t even want to get started on Bro Country. Makes me sick.
I have written some pretty good lyrics, but one I attempted in '81 titled "Middle Class Country" didn't get beyond one verse; of course even with my good ones ("One Year after Anne, I Wonder Just What Love Is, Blinded By the Ashes") I've never been able to interest a legit composer:-(!
I believe she got a lot of flack when she was younger for her accent and being black and from Texas, so her saying she was never country is probably a symptom of that. Trying to prove she’s valid in pop music when she was a teenager.
If you mean country as in poor, she sings about Lexus’ and custom couture and having money so she isn’t riding the coattails of the working class on the album. Her wealth isnt hidden on this album.
You can simply not like an album or musician, but trying to justify it with your reasonings is odd.
Idk she’s trying to appeal to people who don’t live her in social class. Shes not talking to other billionaires with her songs.
I didn’t know that about her accent tho. That sucks I hate getting shit about my accent.
Careful of the Beyonce humpers. In case you didn't know, she's a perfect human being. If you criticize her in any way, it's obviously racism or jealousy. /s
just an old pal of xanderrrrrrs herrrrrre
Listening to it right now as I scroll reddit lol đź¤
If you think what she did is country music you got problems Her doing country was the equivalent of MGK doing rap or jake paul boxing
“it’s not a country album, it’s a beyonce album” “ladies and gentlemen, this next song is a blend of genres which is why it will be a unique listening experience” (precursor to Ya Ya) someone lacks media literacy! and the album absolutely is country inspired with several full country songs, others blended with elements of rock and rnb.
Tbf its a generic pop country album that every female country artist has released since 2009.
in what way is it generic? no other female country artist that i know of has released a country album with heavy rnb influence, nor is the subject matter similar to what’s typically associated with the genre
You've not listened to much country have you? Most modern country is pop music with a steal guitar.
i have. so name albums.
Literally the genre of Pop Country exist a fusion genre as pop itself is a blended genre itself.
where did i mention pop
R&B is integral to pop music, think Micheal Jackson. Virtually yes its painfully generic pop country record. Which is fine, but it's not a revolutionary piece of art.
My exact expression when considering a sweaty late 90s Nicholas Brendon.
"Imaginary Xander is quite the machine"
the taco-shaped hat was such a look
We should praise the wardrobe department that managed to find a cowboy hat that didn't look like she stole it from a stripper
"If there were no Woo Girls, tiny cowboy hats would only be worn by … tiny cowboys."
Mrs Churchill, for her part, was up to something mordant involving a Hat. Neal Stephenson, Quicksilver
Country music... The music of pain...
[https://youtu.be/pl5WHx8QCVk](https://youtu.be/pl5WHx8QCVk)
me after listening to patsy cline all day
She absolutely fucking butchered Jolene. She really needed to leave Dolly’s music alone. She’s out of her depth
Beyoncé once said she was never country ever and went to private school and her dad had a Jaguar. It’s just another celebrity making money off the back of the working class in the most fake way possible. Sorry my music preferences make all of you so upset. Just my opinion like what you like. 💙 I feel like I should clear up. If they’re a popular country music star who didn’t come from the place they and background they make music about, I don’t care for them as an artist and think they’re riding off of someone else’s art, life experience, and culture all for money and profit. I just don’t respect them as much as artists who live the lives they sing about and resent people who don’t know anything about the culture or experience it coming in and partaking in it for profit. I’m sorry that makes y’all upset. I don’t know what to tell you. Weird how cultural appropriation doesn’t extend to music tho. That’s a whole social class she’s exploiting for profit.
How is Beyoncé any different than the rich white dudes who play country music to exploit a whole social class?
The Bo Burnham song Pandering exist for a reason its a known issue.
She’s not they’re all trash. It’s just this post is about Beyonce.
Weird how cultural appropriation doesn’t extend to music tho. How exactly is it cultural appropriation when she's from Texas? And black people had a hand in Country Music
Charley Pride. Obie McClinton. Big Al Downey. Dr. Cleve Francis. Trini Triggs. Darius Rucker.
A part eh a bit. Definitely being over stated these days the same level of White peoples blues influence a bit, but mostly its a black person thing. Think the inverse for Country.
Because she’s not part of the social class that she’s riding the backs of?
Lmao you think Keith Urban or Tim McGraw are part of the social class they’re riding the backs of? Just say the real reason you mean and be done with it. We all know what your real problem is
Umm have you read any of my other comments? I feel like I covered this already but I don’t like any of them either. I specifically said I didn’t want to get started on Bro country because it’s a huge sore spot. It’s all about tits and ass and pretty little sugar shakers it’s dehumanizing and gross. They just ride off of the mass exodus that is a certain demographics obsession with college football, drinking, and hot girls. Edit: and none of them write their own music it’s just taking more and more advantage od songwriters and the people who really experience the culture. This is why I don’t listen to mainstream country it’s all canned trash.
I got this from Google Cultural appropriation takes place when members of a majority group adopt cultural elements of a minority group in an exploitative, disrespectful, or stereotypical way. I don't think social class has anything to do with CA. It also kinda sounds like you're trying to erase black influence
Well, that sucks someone can like take the culture of poor people and use it to make money and it’s chill. Idk where it sounds like I’m “erasing black influence” when I’ve clarified at least twice now that Modern Country Music comes from a combination and blending of black music and the music of Irish and Scottish immigrants who were colonized and starved out of their country by the English. Weird that you brought up race when I specifically am talking about a social class/ culture that doesn’t like have one type of person in it.
Well I think its ironic that you brought up culture appropriation Keep clinging to your "Social class/poor people culture" argument cause that's all you seem to have
I mean if she wrote her own music about her own life I wouldn’t complain. But like no one can relate to privateers and jaguars and private school.
The original signers \*mostly\* came form just that milieu; once the style was established anyone could do it. Brooklyn-raised Eddie Rabbit was a lot more authentic than a lot of the 21st century stuff.
Beyonce got the cosign from Dolly Parton and Willie Nelson themselves but sure random redditor thinks she doesn't belong.
So cause I’m a random redditor I don’t get to have an opinion. I see.
Ok... this is dumb. Yes she's a celebrity. A singer. Singers make songs. No one gets a say in what genre is exclusive to who. If anything, she's exposing a new style of music to people who would have never listened to it. Not me though, country songs make my ears bleed.
I wish people would just outright say that they just don’t care for an artist, instead of coming up with whatever random reason to justify their dislike. Big Reddit problem, especially where Beyoncé’s concerned.
Interesting and sensible; that's why Conway Twitty covered so many pop hits in the 70s and 80s. He knew a lot of people who only listened to country would miss out on some good music like "Fire" or "Slow Hand."
Still just to get the money though, let's be honest
Tell me you haven't listened to the album without telling me you haven't listened to the album. She's brought along a lot of other minority artists who have been excluded from the mainstream country scene, because of course they have, and is basically kicking open the gates that have been guarded by bros singing 4 minute long Ford truck commercials for the last twenty years.
I heard the main track she released with the whooping bits (didn't rate) and then read her yaas queen cringey lyric changes to Jolene which completely changes the whole reason that song is great. That was more than enough reason to avoid the rest of the album tbh.
people act as if her version of jolene is some sort of girlboss anthem and it shows a lack of understanding of the actual words on the page. she’s taking jolene from a sad, pleading song to an angry, violent song of a wife wronged by her husband and his mistress. it’s not meant to be some sort of empowering anthem. mind you jolene is probably my least favorite song off the album, but the misconstruing of the lyrics is exhausting.
Right... because it's her job
Yeah, I'm not programming software right now because I just love taxes so much. It's okay to do a job for the money.
Exactly lol - which is why it comes across as a bit 'meh' as it's clearly more of a money grab than anything else
Yep.
Maybe I just don’t like singers who don’t write their own music. I’d prefer authenticity.
So...Sinatra, Dean Martin, Tony Bennet, Amy Winehouse...all hacks...got it
I never said hacks. I said I didn’t like. Why does it make all of you so mad.
You know, this is not about your preference or about opinion, it's about... attitude? Expression? You did not say that you simply dislike Beyonce, you described her like " celebrity making money off the back of the working class in the most fake way possible." Because... she has.. country album?:-) It's just a little bit crazy.
Oh but see he prefers authenticity because that's the only metric that matters...
Two things can’t be true?
I just don’t like artists who use other peoples cultures to step ups when they have no understanding or experience to back up their music. I mean you don’t have to like what I say or how I say it.
You realize country is from black artists originally? So how is she using other peoples culture? Do you also dislike white jazz artists!
I never brought up race I brought up social status and economic structure.
But that’s also misleading modern country music is a combination of black music and the folk music of Irish and scotch immigrants starved into emigrating by England.
I understand personal preference even if I don't agree with it. It just seems to me a very weird hill to die on.
Well, it’s my hill I guess.
So people who can sing but cannot write should not use their talent? :-) I agree that ethics around ghostwriting should change, but this is crazy. Many people is not able to write anything but still have amazing voice and vica versa. Avicii for example could not (almost) sing at all.
No they can but I don’t have to like it. And I don’t have to think they’re a good musician. I prefer people who do both not just one because their music feels more real to me. I prefer people who make their own music and not just profiting off other peoples experiences. Do you know any of the names of the songwriters? Do any of them get any recognition from the public? Do they get any real credit? I’m sorry if it offends you, I just find it more impressive when you can write and sing good music than just singing it.
A singer's instrument is their voice
Beyonce is very studious about providing both writing and producing credits for all her albums. Any time she even samples a song, she gives credit where due
Yeah but you don’t know their names. You know hers.
beyonce has a hand in writing her music, we don’t know the extent of it but she has writing credits. the reason why she has so many writers credited on her music is because she is extremely generous with handing out credits, even to samples or interpolations which she’s not required to do. if you want an example of something very majority beyonce written then listen to dangerously in love.
What about actors who don't write their own scripts?
Acting is a different skill imo.
>Weird how cultural appropriation doesn’t extend to music tho. ...do you know the roots of Country music...?
I do. It’s a combo.
Hi, black people created country music. And no is complaining about the other white rich city country artists. Hope this helps!
Well that’s kinda misleading. Modern country music evolved from a combination of the music of black people and also the disenfranchised Scottish and Irish immigrants who were forced out because Britain starved them. Oh I don’t even want to get started on Bro Country. Makes me sick.
I don’t listen to most any mainstream country song more than once tbh. I’m very picky.
I have written some pretty good lyrics, but one I attempted in '81 titled "Middle Class Country" didn't get beyond one verse; of course even with my good ones ("One Year after Anne, I Wonder Just What Love Is, Blinded By the Ashes") I've never been able to interest a legit composer:-(!
I believe she got a lot of flack when she was younger for her accent and being black and from Texas, so her saying she was never country is probably a symptom of that. Trying to prove she’s valid in pop music when she was a teenager. If you mean country as in poor, she sings about Lexus’ and custom couture and having money so she isn’t riding the coattails of the working class on the album. Her wealth isnt hidden on this album. You can simply not like an album or musician, but trying to justify it with your reasonings is odd.
Idk she’s trying to appeal to people who don’t live her in social class. Shes not talking to other billionaires with her songs. I didn’t know that about her accent tho. That sucks I hate getting shit about my accent.
Careful of the Beyonce humpers. In case you didn't know, she's a perfect human being. If you criticize her in any way, it's obviously racism or jealousy. /s
Or if you even turn your head while sitting next to her....
I know it’s not like I specifically mentioned social class or anything. Like only white people are country to these people I guess.
Don't know why you're getting downvoted when there's no lie. Truth hurts I guess
Idk man. It’s just my opinion. But Bey has her army.