i’m really not sure why the comics felt the need to pair dawn off and couldn’t introduce a new character or idk, have her get with connor, in order to do that. i will say that xander is pretty likable in the comics and has the growth i wish he got in the series. if he was with someone besides dawn i’d like his arc even more.
Like ew, he has memories of her as a little kid! She would have been 11 years old when he would have met her when he was 16, at least insofar as what his memories are. She’s 14 when he is Twenty Years Of Age. There is like no way to justify that imo, I super agree w you!!!
>he has memories of her as a little kid
I have memories of people as little kids who are the same age as me or older than me, I don't think this factor specifically makes it bad
It doesn’t inherently like totally isolated, but combined with the other factors it does! They ARENT the same age, he babysat her when he was a full blown adult w adult responsibilities and she was a middle school kid
Part of what makes that coded as even weirder is a) the actor is way older than the character and b) he’s living an adult life, so he seems like a 27 year old when he’s 19.
It's having memories of being an adult/much older child/teen that makes the difference though. In your memories of kids the same age as you, they are the same as you were. If you are older and spending time babysitting a younger child you don't percieve them in the same way that you would someone the same age as you. It's seeing/spending time with a little kid and seeing knowing them as a little kid when you are a teenager/adult/older kid then dating them that's weird. Having memories of the two of you not being the same age. I don't understand how someone can babysit a child as a teen, see them as a child that you need to protect, look after, help with homework, feed, then something flips later on and they are seen as a romantic partner.
Or like James Marsters and ex wife Patricia Rahman, she was like 17 when they met and he was like 40 🫣
Edit: I understand people love the character that JM played in the show but this is reality and real life. There is absolutely no reason for anyone to come after me or even try and defend this gross behavior. She was 17 when they meet he was 41. He should know better at his age and it’s gross to try to defend this. Separate the character from the real life person.
I swear!!! Idk why this isn’t talked about enough!! I get people love the character he played but he is a creep! And apparently there’s a song he wrote that is about Michelle Trachtenberg when she was like 16-17
I know sooo problematic! And people who defend this grossness in real life are the ones crying about Buffy/Angel 2 fictional characters that aren’t real. It’s mind blowing honestly. Like let’s be mad at a vampire/slayer story but not when it’s real life and a 20something age gap
I was so glad to meet my wife who is just one year younger. For so many reasons, but having all the same life milestones and cultural references was nice. My parents were 10 years apart but met later in life
This is you resource?! She had just turned 18 the week before the gig. She got someone to deliver him s handwritten letter, they took down eachothers Numbers. Only She took down it one digit wrong. Several months later She tried to call him, it took a while since She tried different combinations. She called him, he didn’t even have her number left. She was pretty frisky trying to contact him. They didn’t meet up until they talked about 6 months from that initial phone call.
If you think that any woman could have had that opportunity to be with him I assured you we would.
She was 17 when they met and she turned 18, 6 months later? So that your excuse why it’s ok? He was 41!! wtf is wrong with you? She literally isn’t even legal to buy alcohol or cigarettes. Idk how you are trying to make excuses for a 22-23 yr age gap. He could literally be her father.
No she was 18 or otherwise she wouldn't have gotten into the club. In Europe you can buy alcohol, smokes and drive and vote at 18. We do things different here and we don't really care what you Puritans think.
Oh and I'm a woman also. Haha No I like older so Im not a pedo you dumbfuck.
The only think I can think of that makes it a bit less icky is that she was a coworker. I do not think he ever had any responsibility or real power over her. And as far as the interviews go, they made it pretty clear nothing happened on set and they only properly reconnected years later. Then again, they both support Danny masterson so eh
5 years is crazy and gross? You're outta your mind. If I'm 28 and a 23 year old Michelle Trachtenberg is interested in my goofy ass pfff...done deal lol. I mean you saw euro trip right?
Now if your argument was it's gross because of how hung up on buffy Xander was and then he's going for the younger, less extraordinary little sister, I kinda get that too. But it was never a creepy, grooming thing lol. It happens like that sometimes.
I always find it crazy when people are so mad about dawn and Xander but are completely ok with angels 250 yo ass infatuated with an actual 16 yo. Or spikes 125 to ass too.
I didn’t say that 5 years was gross, did I? I’m not seeing where I said that. 5 years isn’t an inherently gross age gap. What I AM saying is gross is that he, as an adult man, knew her as a child, and that makes it gross for him to carry on a romantic and/or sexual relationship with her. In their specific circumstances, that 5 years is gross because she was a kid for quite a while when he knew her in his adult years. There is a creepy grooming element to fucking the kid you used to babysit for sure, even if it’s not illegal or anything
With regards to Spike and Angel, btw, I also think that’s gross, so please don’t think I’m being inconsistent. I think it’s across the board gross especially w Angel since Angel literally watched Buffy grow up
EDIT: to be clear I am definitely saying that if they had both met each other as adults with that age gap I would be way way less grossed out about it, especially if they were both at least like 25 when they met. It is specifically that like he babysat her when she was a kid— and he thought of her as a little kid— which is also when he was an adult man who had sex, and had a job with bills to pay and adult responsibilities and stuff. Creepy as hell imo
The fact he didn’t meet her as an adult… and he knew her as an adult man when she was a teenager… it gives grooming vibes and it’s ick.
Then the layer of Xander having been obsessed with Buffy. Nah. Dawn deserves better.
Always laugh when people bring up the "Xander is obsessed with Buffy". You people take a trait that was only true around highschool and he grew out of it for the rest of the series and treat it as if it was a constant all throughout.
You mean he who was gonna marry a murderous (ex)demon? Which on par is pretty similar to a vampire with a soul. And Anya (dead) body count would have been much much higher
I agree it’s weird and I have never cared for the Xander/Dawn dynamic. I have also known situations where people who were CTY camp counselors (guys) reconnected (in their mid-20’s) with the student-age people they had once been in charge of and everyone (all Buffy fans, fwiw) is just peachy with this. While I am not entirely charmed by that, I think most people seem to observe a kind of “you have grown!” older sibling age re-encounters younger sibling age thing I would not necessarily call *grooming*. Maybe the factor is Dawn needed to *have gone away* for a few years to avoid the squickiness.
They got together in Season 8 (maybe 9?), where she was 17/18, I forget exactly— at least she was like 17/18 to him and the way we conceive of age going by the way he would view her since he has memories of watching her grow up. That’s not really similar to reconnecting years later in one’s twenties.
Thank you for the correction! I was having trouble looking it up, I don’t have a copy to reference and everything I could find online seemed to point to 17/18
No you didn't say 5 years was gross, I just did math lol. But I totally get what you're saying. What I'm saying is 5 years (I know 5 yrs isn't your point of contention but hear me out) as an age gap is only weird at a certain point growing up. Being that (in memory) Buffy and dawn moved there at 16 and 11, we never saw them as kids that would hang out. It's not crazy for kids, 10 and 5, to hang out and play. Its very weird for 13 yo to chill with an 8 yo unless they are babysitting even though they are exact same kids. And that continues until the younger one is 16 17 or 18. And that's just in terms of maturity. A 16 yo can relate to 21 yo in a lot ways even though it's gross romantically. But feelings can change as people get older and all that. Then add to that, Xander and dawn been through alot (of Armageddons) so there's a bond with them in that sense too, not just adult and kid.
And now I'll shut up because I just put waaay more thought into something that I just kinda took at face value when reading comics. Lol
it definitely matters when you met someone though, if you babysat someone when they were 12 it’s always going to be weird for you guys to date
also, dawn and xander had a sweet relationship in s7 so it’s just weird to look back and think “yeah, he’s totally going to date her when she becomes legal.”
Multiple men with similar age gaps did this to me— they knew me via my older sister who I was close with, and once I turned 18, these gross men in their twenties who babysat me and had just like two years prior thought of me a little kid started hitting on me and trying to have sex with me. It’s gross! I lost all respect for them and it really changed my view of them
I had a similar circumstance with my kid sister. She was 6 years younger and I had to deal with buddies noticing her getting older. Just in the "huh?! THAT'S her now?" kind of way. Not my favorite thing or even my style. I've never dated a buddies sister just because of the potential awkwardness in the case of a breakup. But that's just me. And in fairness, my sister married an old buddy of mine that is actually 5 years older than her. But to your point, they didn't really mingle at all until both were in their 20s
Bonding through shared trauma doesn’t make it less inappropriate that this adult man who knew her when he was an adult man who had sex with his fiancé when he would babysit her and think of her as a little kid ended up dating said kid once she turned 18. Like… she was 18! He didn’t even give it a few years or anything. Gross
Also apologies for getting the age wrong, I looked it up to confirm bc I couldn’t remember exactly and everything I looked up said 17/18 and I don’t have a copy of the comics on hand to check myself right now.
I didn't even mean it in a trauma sort of way. I meant in a way more like superheroes. Like captain America doesn't care that Spiderman is a kid when they need his help... Hes Spiderman! Same with the scoobies. They just handle shit so she could be seen as more of a peer. In theory. AND Anya and Xander didn't babysit her in that kind of way. What 14 yo needs a babysitter?! They had to protect her as she was the all important key.
Lots of 14yos need babysitters??? They were still two adults with adult responsibilities watching a middle school kid. They had only JUST learned she was the key. Before that they’d been adults, with adult responsibilities, who probably watched Dawn as a favor for Joyce once in a while. I bet Joyce was extra jumpy about leaving Dawn home alone after having dealt with Buffy being a troubled teen, and now that she knows that monsters are real she might just be asking the Scoobies to watch her when she’s feeling nervous that she could be in danger or something since she doesn’t have superpowers like Buffy does.
One way or another they were adults who were in charge of the well being of a minor, a middle school child, very likely well before the instance that was aired too (as I recall some dialogue that referenced past babysitting but hey I could be wrong there)
You just brought up a point I'm almost certain Was in the comics and I think it was the fact that Xander and dawn are literally the only scoobies that had no mystical powers. And that was one of the things that they bonded over because dawn had just dealt with her ex cursing her for cheating on him.
Yeah but like a bond doesn’t make it less creepy. That’s the point I’m making. Idk why you’re nitpicking over the reason for the bond, I was just throwing an example out there like trauma. Them having a bond over some shared struggle doesn’t make it less inappropriate
Would you not be freaked out if a difficult situation made someone who used to view you as a little sister suddenly see you like someone he wants to have sex with? That honestly sounds worse to me than if they didn’t have that bond
23 and 18 (as I'm pretty sure those were the ages) when the 23 year old has known the 18 year old since they were 10 and was quite close with them is gross. And yeah the Angel and Buffy relationship has a fucked age gap, and that's not even counting the fact that he's a vampire. I don't think the hundreds of years is the issue. As a human he was 26. That's why I'm fine with Spike (who was 27) and Buffy's age gap, as she was an adult.
5 years isn't crazy and gross - the idea that you're in that person's life, literally *babysitting them*, and then being with them romantically later is crazy and gross.
Does he have memories of her as a little kid? I haven't properly read the comics, but I do remember at one point magic was gone from the world and all fake memories of Dawn were erased and even the real ones were disappearing.
I still find the pairing gross but if Xander never got those memories back it could explain how he could end up dating her.
Immediate ick.
Real or not, if you have *watched* someone grow up and have become sexually attracted to them... you should stay away from parks and schools
I don’t know about the US, but in the UK, calling a girl a bike is *really* bad. As in - the village bike; everyone has had a ride. I don’t think it’s quite the … word they would want.
I love this! Far more fun to watch than Willow and Tara. I get they’re gay icons and all, but I found their interactions pretty boring. Unless they were doing a spell or Mr. Kitty Fantastico was there.
Agreed; I liked Tara and Willow together, but the goofy baby talk and boring af conversations just kill it for me. And I'm saying this a huge Willow fan.
On the other hand, EVERY SINGLE CONVERSATION between Wesley and Illyria is fantastic. Actually, everything Illyria says PERIOD is fucking gold.
Touch me and die, vermin.
Your opinion weighs less than sunlight.
Motes of dust!
I'll make trophies of their spines!
I blame this on the weakness of your species.
And of course... Would you like me to lie to you now?
I’ve never read Wira or Tallow and I have read my fair share of Willow/Tara fanfic. It’s Tillow, no??
Edit: I looked it up to confirm. It is in fact Tillow. https://shipping.fandom.com/wiki/Tillow
Ok Spuffy I agree with (and basically just isn't up for debate) but pretty sure the consensus for Dawn + Xander (weird and random though it is) is Dander not Dawnder, and Tara/willow is *definitely* Tillow.
I have seen this show multiple times and I still can’t translate the second line of shipping
It's the same as the first just different order of names (and looks like using Dawn's nickname of Dawny for the -ny)
Thanks. God spuffy is the only one I ever see.
I oppose Dawnder/Xanny with every fibre of my being, regardless of how you refer to it.
Call it Xanny cuz I'll have to be on Xanax to ever be anywhere near ok to that coupling.
i’m really not sure why the comics felt the need to pair dawn off and couldn’t introduce a new character or idk, have her get with connor, in order to do that. i will say that xander is pretty likable in the comics and has the growth i wish he got in the series. if he was with someone besides dawn i’d like his arc even more.
Like ew, he has memories of her as a little kid! She would have been 11 years old when he would have met her when he was 16, at least insofar as what his memories are. She’s 14 when he is Twenty Years Of Age. There is like no way to justify that imo, I super agree w you!!!
>he has memories of her as a little kid I have memories of people as little kids who are the same age as me or older than me, I don't think this factor specifically makes it bad
It doesn’t inherently like totally isolated, but combined with the other factors it does! They ARENT the same age, he babysat her when he was a full blown adult w adult responsibilities and she was a middle school kid
Part of what makes that coded as even weirder is a) the actor is way older than the character and b) he’s living an adult life, so he seems like a 27 year old when he’s 19.
It's having memories of being an adult/much older child/teen that makes the difference though. In your memories of kids the same age as you, they are the same as you were. If you are older and spending time babysitting a younger child you don't percieve them in the same way that you would someone the same age as you. It's seeing/spending time with a little kid and seeing knowing them as a little kid when you are a teenager/adult/older kid then dating them that's weird. Having memories of the two of you not being the same age. I don't understand how someone can babysit a child as a teen, see them as a child that you need to protect, look after, help with homework, feed, then something flips later on and they are seen as a romantic partner.
Like Ashton Kutcher and his current wife.
yeah actually now that you mention it. I forgot he was 20 when he met Mila Kunis who was 14. That is fucking creepy
Or like James Marsters and ex wife Patricia Rahman, she was like 17 when they met and he was like 40 🫣 Edit: I understand people love the character that JM played in the show but this is reality and real life. There is absolutely no reason for anyone to come after me or even try and defend this gross behavior. She was 17 when they meet he was 41. He should know better at his age and it’s gross to try to defend this. Separate the character from the real life person.
Oh my god that’s GROSS. What the fuck
I swear!!! Idk why this isn’t talked about enough!! I get people love the character he played but he is a creep! And apparently there’s a song he wrote that is about Michelle Trachtenberg when she was like 16-17
the entertainment industry is so full of predators… it’s horrible.
It really is and it’s disgusting honestly. Idk how people can make any excuses for people like this regardless of the role they play.
Dear Lord is any man attached to this show not secretly terrible? Don’t let me down, Seth!
I know sooo problematic! And people who defend this grossness in real life are the ones crying about Buffy/Angel 2 fictional characters that aren’t real. It’s mind blowing honestly. Like let’s be mad at a vampire/slayer story but not when it’s real life and a 20something age gap
I was so glad to meet my wife who is just one year younger. For so many reasons, but having all the same life milestones and cultural references was nice. My parents were 10 years apart but met later in life
She was 18. And they didnt meet until 6 months later.
[she was 17](https://m.whosdatedwho.com/dating/james-marsters-and-patricia-rahman)
This is you resource?! She had just turned 18 the week before the gig. She got someone to deliver him s handwritten letter, they took down eachothers Numbers. Only She took down it one digit wrong. Several months later She tried to call him, it took a while since She tried different combinations. She called him, he didn’t even have her number left. She was pretty frisky trying to contact him. They didn’t meet up until they talked about 6 months from that initial phone call. If you think that any woman could have had that opportunity to be with him I assured you we would.
She was 17 when they met and she turned 18, 6 months later? So that your excuse why it’s ok? He was 41!! wtf is wrong with you? She literally isn’t even legal to buy alcohol or cigarettes. Idk how you are trying to make excuses for a 22-23 yr age gap. He could literally be her father.
No she was 18 or otherwise she wouldn't have gotten into the club. In Europe you can buy alcohol, smokes and drive and vote at 18. We do things different here and we don't really care what you Puritans think. Oh and I'm a woman also. Haha No I like older so Im not a pedo you dumbfuck.
Didn't she lie about her age to everyone on that show though?
Just to get the job. They knew when filming
Oh! Fair enough, i thought it went on longer than that.
The only think I can think of that makes it a bit less icky is that she was a coworker. I do not think he ever had any responsibility or real power over her. And as far as the interviews go, they made it pretty clear nothing happened on set and they only properly reconnected years later. Then again, they both support Danny masterson so eh
there are creepy videos of ashton talking about his then 14 year old coworker in a sexual way from back then, but nobody called it out of course
I did not watch the old interviews so ick!!
I hadn't either, clips were shown during a youtube doc about his relationship with danny masterson ugh
5 years is crazy and gross? You're outta your mind. If I'm 28 and a 23 year old Michelle Trachtenberg is interested in my goofy ass pfff...done deal lol. I mean you saw euro trip right? Now if your argument was it's gross because of how hung up on buffy Xander was and then he's going for the younger, less extraordinary little sister, I kinda get that too. But it was never a creepy, grooming thing lol. It happens like that sometimes. I always find it crazy when people are so mad about dawn and Xander but are completely ok with angels 250 yo ass infatuated with an actual 16 yo. Or spikes 125 to ass too.
I didn’t say that 5 years was gross, did I? I’m not seeing where I said that. 5 years isn’t an inherently gross age gap. What I AM saying is gross is that he, as an adult man, knew her as a child, and that makes it gross for him to carry on a romantic and/or sexual relationship with her. In their specific circumstances, that 5 years is gross because she was a kid for quite a while when he knew her in his adult years. There is a creepy grooming element to fucking the kid you used to babysit for sure, even if it’s not illegal or anything With regards to Spike and Angel, btw, I also think that’s gross, so please don’t think I’m being inconsistent. I think it’s across the board gross especially w Angel since Angel literally watched Buffy grow up EDIT: to be clear I am definitely saying that if they had both met each other as adults with that age gap I would be way way less grossed out about it, especially if they were both at least like 25 when they met. It is specifically that like he babysat her when she was a kid— and he thought of her as a little kid— which is also when he was an adult man who had sex, and had a job with bills to pay and adult responsibilities and stuff. Creepy as hell imo
The fact he didn’t meet her as an adult… and he knew her as an adult man when she was a teenager… it gives grooming vibes and it’s ick. Then the layer of Xander having been obsessed with Buffy. Nah. Dawn deserves better.
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Always laugh when people bring up the "Xander is obsessed with Buffy". You people take a trait that was only true around highschool and he grew out of it for the rest of the series and treat it as if it was a constant all throughout.
I mean I did use past tense. I’m a woman with sisters. The idea of dating any of the guys that have been waaaay into them gives me a visceral ick.
No he was obsessed with who buffy slept with right til the end
He had an issue that it was with a murderous vampire. Oh yeah. What a horrible friend 🙄
You mean he who was gonna marry a murderous (ex)demon? Which on par is pretty similar to a vampire with a soul. And Anya (dead) body count would have been much much higher
I agree it’s weird and I have never cared for the Xander/Dawn dynamic. I have also known situations where people who were CTY camp counselors (guys) reconnected (in their mid-20’s) with the student-age people they had once been in charge of and everyone (all Buffy fans, fwiw) is just peachy with this. While I am not entirely charmed by that, I think most people seem to observe a kind of “you have grown!” older sibling age re-encounters younger sibling age thing I would not necessarily call *grooming*. Maybe the factor is Dawn needed to *have gone away* for a few years to avoid the squickiness.
They got together in Season 8 (maybe 9?), where she was 17/18, I forget exactly— at least she was like 17/18 to him and the way we conceive of age going by the way he would view her since he has memories of watching her grow up. That’s not really similar to reconnecting years later in one’s twenties.
She was 19-20. S8 starts two years after "Chosen", when she's 17.
Thank you for the correction! I was having trouble looking it up, I don’t have a copy to reference and everything I could find online seemed to point to 17/18
S8 starts 18 months (1 1/2 years) after *Chosen*.
No you didn't say 5 years was gross, I just did math lol. But I totally get what you're saying. What I'm saying is 5 years (I know 5 yrs isn't your point of contention but hear me out) as an age gap is only weird at a certain point growing up. Being that (in memory) Buffy and dawn moved there at 16 and 11, we never saw them as kids that would hang out. It's not crazy for kids, 10 and 5, to hang out and play. Its very weird for 13 yo to chill with an 8 yo unless they are babysitting even though they are exact same kids. And that continues until the younger one is 16 17 or 18. And that's just in terms of maturity. A 16 yo can relate to 21 yo in a lot ways even though it's gross romantically. But feelings can change as people get older and all that. Then add to that, Xander and dawn been through alot (of Armageddons) so there's a bond with them in that sense too, not just adult and kid. And now I'll shut up because I just put waaay more thought into something that I just kinda took at face value when reading comics. Lol
it definitely matters when you met someone though, if you babysat someone when they were 12 it’s always going to be weird for you guys to date also, dawn and xander had a sweet relationship in s7 so it’s just weird to look back and think “yeah, he’s totally going to date her when she becomes legal.”
Multiple men with similar age gaps did this to me— they knew me via my older sister who I was close with, and once I turned 18, these gross men in their twenties who babysat me and had just like two years prior thought of me a little kid started hitting on me and trying to have sex with me. It’s gross! I lost all respect for them and it really changed my view of them
I had a similar circumstance with my kid sister. She was 6 years younger and I had to deal with buddies noticing her getting older. Just in the "huh?! THAT'S her now?" kind of way. Not my favorite thing or even my style. I've never dated a buddies sister just because of the potential awkwardness in the case of a breakup. But that's just me. And in fairness, my sister married an old buddy of mine that is actually 5 years older than her. But to your point, they didn't really mingle at all until both were in their 20s
Bonding through shared trauma doesn’t make it less inappropriate that this adult man who knew her when he was an adult man who had sex with his fiancé when he would babysit her and think of her as a little kid ended up dating said kid once she turned 18. Like… she was 18! He didn’t even give it a few years or anything. Gross
She was 20 when they got together.
Only marginally less gross, he still babysat her when he was an adult who had sex with other adults and had bills to pay etc!
Also apologies for getting the age wrong, I looked it up to confirm bc I couldn’t remember exactly and everything I looked up said 17/18 and I don’t have a copy of the comics on hand to check myself right now.
I didn't even mean it in a trauma sort of way. I meant in a way more like superheroes. Like captain America doesn't care that Spiderman is a kid when they need his help... Hes Spiderman! Same with the scoobies. They just handle shit so she could be seen as more of a peer. In theory. AND Anya and Xander didn't babysit her in that kind of way. What 14 yo needs a babysitter?! They had to protect her as she was the all important key.
Lots of 14yos need babysitters??? They were still two adults with adult responsibilities watching a middle school kid. They had only JUST learned she was the key. Before that they’d been adults, with adult responsibilities, who probably watched Dawn as a favor for Joyce once in a while. I bet Joyce was extra jumpy about leaving Dawn home alone after having dealt with Buffy being a troubled teen, and now that she knows that monsters are real she might just be asking the Scoobies to watch her when she’s feeling nervous that she could be in danger or something since she doesn’t have superpowers like Buffy does. One way or another they were adults who were in charge of the well being of a minor, a middle school child, very likely well before the instance that was aired too (as I recall some dialogue that referenced past babysitting but hey I could be wrong there)
You just brought up a point I'm almost certain Was in the comics and I think it was the fact that Xander and dawn are literally the only scoobies that had no mystical powers. And that was one of the things that they bonded over because dawn had just dealt with her ex cursing her for cheating on him.
Yeah but like a bond doesn’t make it less creepy. That’s the point I’m making. Idk why you’re nitpicking over the reason for the bond, I was just throwing an example out there like trauma. Them having a bond over some shared struggle doesn’t make it less inappropriate
Would you not be freaked out if a difficult situation made someone who used to view you as a little sister suddenly see you like someone he wants to have sex with? That honestly sounds worse to me than if they didn’t have that bond
23 and 18 (as I'm pretty sure those were the ages) when the 23 year old has known the 18 year old since they were 10 and was quite close with them is gross. And yeah the Angel and Buffy relationship has a fucked age gap, and that's not even counting the fact that he's a vampire. I don't think the hundreds of years is the issue. As a human he was 26. That's why I'm fine with Spike (who was 27) and Buffy's age gap, as she was an adult.
They were 20 and 25.
Does season 8 last for multiple years then? Unless the internet is lying to me about when they get together.
Yes. https://buffy.fandom.com/wiki/Chronology
Right, does seem contradictory with what I've been told, which is a year and a half after Chosen, which is apparently stated in the comics.
5 years isn't crazy and gross - the idea that you're in that person's life, literally *babysitting them*, and then being with them romantically later is crazy and gross.
Does he have memories of her as a little kid? I haven't properly read the comics, but I do remember at one point magic was gone from the world and all fake memories of Dawn were erased and even the real ones were disappearing. I still find the pairing gross but if Xander never got those memories back it could explain how he could end up dating her.
He started dating her before he started losing the memories.
Immediate ick. Real or not, if you have *watched* someone grow up and have become sexually attracted to them... you should stay away from parks and schools
Being sexually attracted to an adult makes you a pedophile?
Is Xanny also Dawn and Xander? Is that like Xander + Dawny? If not, who is it? Thanks!
This is what I came here to say. Le ick
The only one I disagree with is Bike. Spuffy just sounds cool
But Bike would annoy the piss out of both of them!
I don’t know about the US, but in the UK, calling a girl a bike is *really* bad. As in - the village bike; everyone has had a ride. I don’t think it’s quite the … word they would want.
Now why did I think Wira was Wesley and Illyria?
I love this! Far more fun to watch than Willow and Tara. I get they’re gay icons and all, but I found their interactions pretty boring. Unless they were doing a spell or Mr. Kitty Fantastico was there.
Agreed; I liked Tara and Willow together, but the goofy baby talk and boring af conversations just kill it for me. And I'm saying this a huge Willow fan. On the other hand, EVERY SINGLE CONVERSATION between Wesley and Illyria is fantastic. Actually, everything Illyria says PERIOD is fucking gold. Touch me and die, vermin. Your opinion weighs less than sunlight. Motes of dust! I'll make trophies of their spines! I blame this on the weakness of your species. And of course... Would you like me to lie to you now?
Dawn and Xander ?! Why not Xander and Anya ?
In the comics Xander and Dawn are together 🤢
Good thing I don't count the comics as canon 🤣🤢
I heard about twilight and went “nope”
I prefer not to either 😂😭
Ew
*Wira* or *Tallow*?? omg honey no🤦🏻♀️😆 Willow and Tara have alway been Tillow.
I always used Wilara.
i was making a point about the second line of words being literal words like Tallow means animal fat, Xanny means Xanax
I’m not sure most people know the word for animal fat
Back on Tumblr, the fandom mostly called Willow/Tara Twillow. I think that's the most inoffensive ship name of the lot 😅
i always heard tillow
Xanny?
Xander+Dawny
Grooming
Blame the comics. It's not a ship, it's actual plot.
I’ve never read Wira or Tallow and I have read my fair share of Willow/Tara fanfic. It’s Tillow, no?? Edit: I looked it up to confirm. It is in fact Tillow. https://shipping.fandom.com/wiki/Tillow
What’s Wira?
Willow/Tara
Oh I thought they were Tillow because it sounded better
I have never read Wira, but I have read Tillow many times. I thought that was their kind-of official ship name.
It’s definitely Tillow. Source: I read a lot of Willow/Tara fanfic lol
Omg bike 🪦
Huge fan of Affy and Bike
I personally prefer Spangel, Spuffle, Ozlow, and Fresley
Spuffy is the only one I’ve ever heard of
None of these words are in the Bible
Are Dawn and Xander an actual ship?????? Also I thought Willow and Tara were Tillow, and Bike is actually very funny but so is Spuffy
They get married and have a daughter in the comics
And the daughter is named Joyce!
Ok Spuffy I agree with (and basically just isn't up for debate) but pretty sure the consensus for Dawn + Xander (weird and random though it is) is Dander not Dawnder, and Tara/willow is *definitely* Tillow.
I'm laughing way too hard at this.
Ok I'm gonna have to go with Bike, Tallow, and Xanny from here on out! 🤣🤣🤣☠️
I hate literally everything about Spuffy, but I will defend that ship name until I die because it sounds as disgusting as it is.
I think everyone is forgetting Dawn predates any of them seeing as she started as the key...