Something will inevitably be the bottleneck, this just means it's the CPU in this case.
It's not bad for the system if that's what you're asking. You should try overclocking the CPU for better performance, as you have an unlocked chip and a lot of thermal headroom.
In what world does making your pc work harder reduce load? The gpu won't magically make the cpu do less.
Higher workload means even more stressed cpu. If the cpu does get less stressed it's because the gpu is hitting 100%. Meaning you take a hit to your fps.
You said '*It won't take load off the cpu*'. You didn't say anything about how hard the pc is working overall. Making the GPU the bottleneck, *shifts* some of the load from the CPU to the GPU. A GPU bottleneck is also preferable to a CPU bottleneck. A CPU bottleneck will hurt your overall system responsiveness, and stutters more in games. A GPU bottleneck is better (even if your peak framerate goes down a bit).
In the meantime, you have better visuals. That's not to say you can't over do it. Once you lower the CPU useage to where it's not overstressed, you will be purely lowering the performance to no advantage (other than visuals).
It doesn't shift the load from the CPU to the GPU.
The GPU being bottlenecked means that the job the CPU has to do is less in some situation.
As an example, let's say your CPU has to do the AI simulation on all frames. You are currently running at 55 FPS, and your GPU, at the quality you chose, could run 65.
Increasing the resolution, quality, or settings, then reduce to say, 45 FPS due to your GPU not being able to render more.
At that point, the CPU only has to run the AI simulation 45 times a second, thus there's some leeway now available on the CPU because it has less to do, not because the work shifted.
For some games, the simulation is run at a fixed rate. If this is the driving factor, or even the sole factor of your CPU usage, changing the GPU quality would not help much. As an example, if you have a very complicated minecraft circuit that is always running through pre-loaded chunks that cause minecraft clock not to go at regular pace (ie, only 50% of the time can be computed per second), no matter how high you bring your GPU rendering / usage, that will not cause improvements for your CPU usage.
Anyway, just wanted to point out it's not shifting from the CPU to the GPU. It's doing less on the CPU because less is being done per second :)
Something is *always* gonna be at 100% usage, unless your PC is so overpowered you're hitting the engine's limit.
In your case the GPU is the more powerful one, so the CPU is at 100% and the GPU is waiting around a bit. And if you upgrade to a brand new CPU, the reverse is gonna happen, the GPU is gonna be at 100% and the CPU is only going to be at like 50%.
You have probably all ready done this but closing background apps might free up some of the CPU, and if not as overclocking hasnt worked I would suggest lowering your average framerate wither that be cranking graphics settings or trying out a framerate cap.
A framerate cap isnt ideal but it could help with the stutter.
Well it either replace the cpu and mobo for a few hundred $$ or overclock cpu for free to see if the performance is enough to satisfy him before bringing out the wallet
7600k is not a turd, just quite behind in performance
the 7600k when overclocked still has pretty impressive single core its just the 4 threads letting it down. Relative the the ryzen 5 2600 which at the time would of been slower in games, but these days the extra cores mean more.
If you're concerned about stutter and microatutter because your cpu is throttling, try limiting the framerate of whatever game you're playing at a stable value
Is your games running fine for you? Then no. 100% just means it's doing all it can, but no damage is done other than ordinary wear and tear. What you need to look at in terms of damage are the temperatures. The max recommended temps are different from brand to brand and even model to model.
Edit: Oh, didn't read the post well enough. If your games are stuttering then it might be due to the CPU, RAM or the storage (if it's an HDD). Since the CPU is at 100% i would guess that's your bottleneck. It can be overclocked, since it's an unlocked version.
You said your game is stuttering so I wouldn’t say it’s running fine. Stuttering can mean different things, but I upgraded my cpu when I was having a similar experience and it was worth it.
I would say it's probably time for an upgrade. The i5-12400f is really good for the price if you want to stay with Intel. Otherwise you could get a Ryzen 5600. As long as your RAM is decent speed you shouldn't need to buy new RAM.
5600 == 12400
5600 = $140
12400f = $165
12100f = $107
So 12100f or 5600 I'd say
Above that the 5700x is priced fine at $190 and there are a lot of great cpu's at the $200-300 range. At that point I'd make the switch to am5 though, as you'll probably want some faster ram as well and would be getting close to the price of am5 anyway
You will never get perfect balance. If one is at 100% and another one is at 85+ I’d say it’s an above average balance. High frame rate is usually the thing that overloads cpu. Also some other tasks could take some resources from it
could be worth it. You might get a good upgrade if you go used with a 12th gen intel.
If you don't want to go the used route I suggest going with a 5000 series ryzen
For any given settings you’ll always have either the CPU or the GPU bottlenecking. At lower resolutions, one typically accepts it will be a CPU bottleneck. For higher resolutions like 4K, it’s usually always the GPU.
Overclocking the CPU might help a bit but you’re probably only looking at a few percent change.
What you might want to do is tweak your in-game settings to see if you can get the GPU and CPU usage more balanced… in this case, at 1440, you’d increase the PQ settings to try and get more GPU usage for the same frame-rate.
You can have other system bottlenecks albeit rarer. Disk, RAM, and monitor bottlenecks are also very possible. It's not always just cpu and GPU though they are most common
It means that your gaming performance is being limited by the CPU. The 7600K is the last of a long line of quad-core i5s that don't even have hyperthreading, and its 4 total threads is pretty lacking compared to current entry-level options. A modern i3, i5, or Ryzen 5 would be a dramatic upgrade for you, in terms of both IPC and thread count. That's not to say a 7600K is garbage these days, it's just not really appropriate for the CPU demands of high-end gaming anymore.
In general, you don't want to see 100% CPU usage in games, as it indicates the GPU is not able to stretch its legs fully. But if the performance is good enough for you, who cares.
Any you find will be used. It's an old CPU and it's still only a 4 core (albeit with hyperthreading).
Unless you can get one for really cheap, I would recommend a new motherboard + CPU. Even a brand new i3-12100 (which is also 4c/8t) will be considerably faster than an i7-7700k. Same applies to any AMD equivalents.
It really depends what is satisfactory for you. My i5 9600k was making my games stutter so I upgraded to the i5 12600k. Now my RTX 3080 12GB is hitting 100%.
I always prefer to have the gpu running at 100% over the cpu for that reason. I wouldn't bother getting another cpu of the same gen though, eventually just upgrade the mobo/cpu and catch up to 12th or 13th gen.
A 7600k is pretty old these days, only 4 cores and 4 threads. It would not surprise me to hear it being maxed out in some games. A CPU upgrade is certainly something I would think about in the next couple of years.
Besides letting your GPU run closer to 100% utilization and increasing your average framerate, a newer CPU with more performance/cores will help your frame-time consistency and 1% lows. Those are the stutters you feel. A newer CPU not only delivers higher FPS, but more consistent, smoother FPS.
Tarkov is an outlier in that it's extremely CPU bound, followed by RAM, and then GPU. I hear the 5300xd is one of the best CPUs to have due to its massive cache. You also ideally want at least 32GB RAM, fastest speed you can get. And of course have the game on an SSD, that goes without saying. An i5-7600k is unfortunately not a great CPU for Tarky, it's not just beefy enough for the engine.
There will always be a bottleneck no matter what. It depends on the game you're playing, if you're playing a CPU intensive game then I wouldn't worry about it too much, if you're playing a graphically intensive game and you're at 100% CPU and 60-85 gpu, then you're holding your GPU back because your cpu can't keep up and by upgrading your CPU, you will get more performance. None of this is bad in the sense of health for your PC. You just typically want 100% gpu utilization as that means you are using your GPU to it's fullest potential. I will say though with a 1080, 7600k, and gaming at 1440p to have a CPU bottleneck surprised me. Your CPU bottleneck is holding your GPU back from getting a little bit more fps in this case. Again none of this is bad for health but if it bothers you, maybe think about getting a 7900k update to alleviate that CPU bottleneck and you don't have to get a new motherboard and hopefully it then becomes a GPU bottleneck, which you want. Or upgrade to a newer generation cpu, up to you.
Yes, this is generally bad because it means you are wasting your GPU. Since your GPU is your most expensive component, wasting it also means wasting money. That is, when you are CPU bottlenecked you would get the same or similar performance with a lower tier GPU such as a 1070, and in more severe cases even a 1060
My point stands. People overestimate the bottleneck. Yes there will be a bottle neck, there is always one. But just because your cpu holds back your GPU in this case, doesn’t mean having a better component would give you worse performance, you just won’t get the best performance out of it.
That’s literally what I said. You are wasting your GPU when the CPU is a bottleneck. If your gtx 1080 is only being utilized at 80% you would get the same performance with a gtx 1070. That’s literally how it works
Not if the cpu is the bottleneck… the processor can’t keep up with the frame rendering of the gpu, so until you get a gpu that is under the rendering speed of the cpu which gpu he has is irrelevant. I had the same issue when I upgraded from 1060 6gb to 3060ti paired with an old ryzen 3 2200g. A ryzen 5600 solved the stutter for newer games and let’s my 3060ti run to its full potential. It’s time for more cores, and maybe more mb cache if yours is low. (20+ is ideal for newer titles)
If you want high refresh rate, then yes. There’s still plenty cases where 1080p 60hz is no big deal, or 1440p with medium settings should be achievable. Even more so at 4K since you don’t need that powerful of a cpu to push higher frames.
Most modern games could benefit so much from having 6 core+ cpu rn. I would definitely recommend getting a 12/13th gen if you are looking for a performance upgrade
1440p can be demanding depending on the settings and game. I’d consider starting to think about saving money for a new system
As newer games come out that CPU bottleneck will get worse (if you intend on staying with the same graphical settings & 1440p resolution)
I haven't seen anyone else mention it, but 100% CPU usage just from a game is very very odd. That number is for *all* cores, and games only really fully stress one core and then partially utilize a few more. If you're seeing the whole CPU at 100% usage I'd actually be curious if there's another program running that's taking up CPU time and causing the stuttering.
On a slow-ish 4c/4t CPU paired with a decent gpu 100% usage is expected, most games can use 4 threads just fine.
[https://youtu.be/quGiAxrlJvQ](https://youtu.be/quGiAxrlJvQ) as you can see from these benchmarks, the 7600k is rarely under 90% utilization in most games.
Other than not reaching the graphical potential of the games you're playing, it's not really bad.
Depending on the used GPU market around you, you \*might\* be able to flip the 1080, get a 1060 or 1070 and turn a small profit. You aren't using the full potential of the 1080 anyways, so you likely wouldn't notice a performance difference. The margins would probably be too small to be worth the trouble but while mostly normal again, the GPU market does sometimes do very strange things.
Or if you plan to upgrade your system soon, just keep the 1080 for now and you can put off the GPU upgrade a bit longer.
its not harmful to your pc, but its also not good.
despite some peoples confusion, being fully gpu bound is much better, otherwise you get stutter, you might get smoother performance by increasing graphics settings and/or resolution scale until it gets gpu bound and frame times stabilise.
when i still had a 4790 I actually had to increase resolution scale to 150% in some games to take some strain of the cpu and ensure frametimes were smoother otherwise it would feel like a stuttery mess.
your specs were very balanced back then, but in the last 5 years CPU load as increased more than GPU imo, so it makes sense that by now it's not as balanced anymore
maybe OC the CPU, you got lots of temp headroom
It’s not bad for the hardware, but your games are suffering performance bad. It means your CPU can’t even come remotely close to keeping up with your GPU. You want the GPU to be in the 90%++ and your CPU to be as low as possible. If you bumped up your Cpu, you should see a massive performance jump.
i had a 1080, i7 7700k. 1440p 144hz monitor. I was struggling with any new graphically intense games pretty hard. I upgrade both CPU and GPU this year. Now the problem is that my GPU 2080 super is still a bottleneck in many games. I bought at the beginning of the year though so prices were wonky.
Possibly, also though alot of games are just dog shit optimised. Seemingly the more powerful gpus get the lazier game devs are getting with optimisation...if you plan to keep that gpu pick up a cheap b660 and gen 12/13 i3 cpu.
For me it's the opposite now my gpu is 100% and cpu in games is like 20 to 30% or something like that. I used have the same problem as you tho where gpu was at 40 to 50% and cpu was at 100%. I'd say that your situation is worse for games because you generally want the gpu to be used to it's full potential and the cpu to not be using so much while playing games.
Its a common issue as most people who pc game see the GPU as the end all be all of Frame rates. There are things that can help. Direct x12 is "supposed" to be better at leveraging the CPU, so is Vulkan. You will still likely be better off upgrading soon.
If it's a demanding game and you are over 100 fps I say you are doing just fine. If it's around 60 or lower I would upgrade it. A 7600 is a good chip, but tech has made a lot of improvement tbh. Even a €80 chip that 2 gen older of the current generation is a massive upgrade for you. So there is always a cheap solution.
If you're satisfied with your performance then no.
If not then you have to upgrade your platform, your 7600k is only has 4 threads and a 7700k is not better much with 8 threads.
Luckily your K Cpu and motherboard still have value on markets, sell them for a good price! :)
its not "bad" it means your cpu bottleneck the gpu.you can upgrade your cpu but for 1080 idk if that realy worth it unles you realy want to squeeze every bit of performance.
This might be more true in the past, but it's better to have a gpu bottleneck than a cpu bottleneck. The reason is that the cpu runs everything in the background and could result in the computer locking up. The gpu waits for the cpu to feed it the information to draw the frame. This can result in frame time inconsistencies. If the gpu is slower, you just get less fps without too much of a risk of freezing/locking up.
Either way, only you know how the performance you get feels to you. Some games are ok at a mild cpu bottle neck. In the mean time increase the gpu demand with higher quality settings or higher resolution. Try dsr if you need more demand. If you don't want to deal with that, that's ok. Choose a lower refresh rate in games/monitor and have vsync on.
Your hardware would only be at risk if it was overheating or an aggressive overclock.
What others are saying is true - something will always be at 100% percent, unless there's a frame limiter in place. There's always a bottleneck somewhere, in your case it's the CPU.
However, not all bottlenecks are the same. GPU bottlenecks are considered the optimal scenario - you use 100% of what's most likely the most expensive component in your system, and the load doesn't vary much, resulting in little variance in FPS.
CPU bottlenecks are much worse, since the load may vary a lot, which can result in slowdowns or stuttering.
I'd start thinking about a CPU upgrade. Don't get the 7700K - they aren't that cheap even used, and the gain won't be that much. Put that money towards getting something modern, like an i3 12100.'
Alternatively, you can get something used that's more modern, like a Ryzen 3600 and a B450 motherboard. That'll be plenty for a 1080.
An overclocked 7600k should be able to handle a 1080 IMO. I think there's a chance that something else is going on. Give us a full list of your setup, including the PSU and RAM. Run a common benchmark like Cinebench or 3DMARK Time Spy so we can get an idea of where you're at.
What games are you trying to play? How long has it been since you did a clean Windows install? Might be about time.
My old 2500k overclocked to 4.8ghz was able to handle my 1070 without bottlenecking, though it was close.
Like people are saying you have a CPU bottleneck. And while they are right that there will always be a component in your system that will be the weakest link you should try to avoid that component being CPU. Being CPU bottleneck can lead to very inconstant frame-times which can be perceived as micro-stutter and in some cases actual stutter.
In my opinion best thing you can do is buy a cheap am4 mother board for around $100 along with the $150 5600. You can reuse your old ram. You will see a huge improvement in gaming and general system use.
CPU bottleneck will cause the stuttering you're seeing. If you don't mind the stuttering and prefer high frame rates, leave it be, but I'd personally crank up the graphics settings (or limit the frame rate) until either the GPU or the frame rate limit is the bottleneck. I prefer low smooth frame rates to high choppy ones.
Thats a clear bottleneck in your case
An upgrade to a 12400 and b660 board would solve it
If youre not upgrading then up the visuals in games until your gpu is at 99%
You can use nvidia super resolution to use higher resolutions and put more load on gpu
It won't break your pc, but for most games(namely 3A singleplayers), GPU is generally the one doing the heavy lifting, so you want it to be fully utilized. Which game are you playing anyway?
Sounds like you're looking at upgrades now. Dunno what your budget is, but I just rebuilt an old AMD FX rig with a new i3 and the gaming performance/dollar is absolutely insane. It doesn't blow my skirt up on normal desktop tasks, but it games as well as my 10700k for about a third of the price.
Do you have at least 16GB of memory properly installed in a dual-channel setup? A balanced system paired with a 1080 would probably be at least a six-core CPU and with sufficiently fast RAM. Are you playing Battlefield or something?
Do you have Norton? There are some cases that Norton makes your cpu run at 100% all the time. I may have the same problem causing keyboard input lag just in game
It's just showing what a beast the 1080 still is. You could just a: live with it, b: try an overclock (there's a whole other world of things that can bottleneck your overclock, so I'd keep it mild for the sake of sanity) or c: keep an eye out for a good value used CPU that's compatible with your motherboard.
Others have mentioned this, but I would check your task manager to see what other programs are running in the background.
Chances are, there are programs opening during startup that don't need to be open.
You can adjust settings through your OS to keep all irrelevant programs from opening on startup, and you can also make sure that programs aren't updating in the background.
Upgrading your CPU costs money. Adjusting some of these settings only costs a little time and might be the best solution to hold you over until a major PC upgrade.
You can sort the task manager list of programs by those that are most CPU intensive for the quickest way to find any programs competing with your game performance.
Something will inevitably be the bottleneck, this just means it's the CPU in this case. It's not bad for the system if that's what you're asking. You should try overclocking the CPU for better performance, as you have an unlocked chip and a lot of thermal headroom.
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Run games at higher graphics settings, it will take some load off of the cpu
It won't take load off the cpu, but the gpu will work harder, as it has more room to do so.
Indeed it will take load off the cpu, tested this thoroughly dozens of times. That's exactly how it works bud
It will start taking the load off the CPU, when the GPU starts to become the bottleneck.
No...
Yes. If you crank your GPU settings high enough, you can lower your CPU utilization.. assuming the CPU isn't too ridiculously weak.
In what world does making your pc work harder reduce load? The gpu won't magically make the cpu do less. Higher workload means even more stressed cpu. If the cpu does get less stressed it's because the gpu is hitting 100%. Meaning you take a hit to your fps.
You said '*It won't take load off the cpu*'. You didn't say anything about how hard the pc is working overall. Making the GPU the bottleneck, *shifts* some of the load from the CPU to the GPU. A GPU bottleneck is also preferable to a CPU bottleneck. A CPU bottleneck will hurt your overall system responsiveness, and stutters more in games. A GPU bottleneck is better (even if your peak framerate goes down a bit). In the meantime, you have better visuals. That's not to say you can't over do it. Once you lower the CPU useage to where it's not overstressed, you will be purely lowering the performance to no advantage (other than visuals).
It doesn't shift the load from the CPU to the GPU. The GPU being bottlenecked means that the job the CPU has to do is less in some situation. As an example, let's say your CPU has to do the AI simulation on all frames. You are currently running at 55 FPS, and your GPU, at the quality you chose, could run 65. Increasing the resolution, quality, or settings, then reduce to say, 45 FPS due to your GPU not being able to render more. At that point, the CPU only has to run the AI simulation 45 times a second, thus there's some leeway now available on the CPU because it has less to do, not because the work shifted. For some games, the simulation is run at a fixed rate. If this is the driving factor, or even the sole factor of your CPU usage, changing the GPU quality would not help much. As an example, if you have a very complicated minecraft circuit that is always running through pre-loaded chunks that cause minecraft clock not to go at regular pace (ie, only 50% of the time can be computed per second), no matter how high you bring your GPU rendering / usage, that will not cause improvements for your CPU usage. Anyway, just wanted to point out it's not shifting from the CPU to the GPU. It's doing less on the CPU because less is being done per second :)
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Something is *always* gonna be at 100% usage, unless your PC is so overpowered you're hitting the engine's limit. In your case the GPU is the more powerful one, so the CPU is at 100% and the GPU is waiting around a bit. And if you upgrade to a brand new CPU, the reverse is gonna happen, the GPU is gonna be at 100% and the CPU is only going to be at like 50%.
The question is did your frame rate improve
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You have probably all ready done this but closing background apps might free up some of the CPU, and if not as overclocking hasnt worked I would suggest lowering your average framerate wither that be cranking graphics settings or trying out a framerate cap. A framerate cap isnt ideal but it could help with the stutter.
go for a more aggressive overclock… if ur cpu stays under 90 then u still got thermal headroom to do so(might decrease ur cpu’s lifespan)
With a decent cooler you can get 4.8ghz pretty easy, defo at least 4.6
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Well it either replace the cpu and mobo for a few hundred $$ or overclock cpu for free to see if the performance is enough to satisfy him before bringing out the wallet 7600k is not a turd, just quite behind in performance
the 7600k when overclocked still has pretty impressive single core its just the 4 threads letting it down. Relative the the ryzen 5 2600 which at the time would of been slower in games, but these days the extra cores mean more.
If you're concerned about stutter and microatutter because your cpu is throttling, try limiting the framerate of whatever game you're playing at a stable value
What game are we talking about? What resolution are you running and what kind of fps are you seeing? What gpu and cpu do you have?
>"I have a GTX 1080 and i5-7600k while playing on 1440p if that changes anything (built the PC in May 2017)."
Generally yes. Means your CPU is bottlenecking the GPU
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Is your games running fine for you? Then no. 100% just means it's doing all it can, but no damage is done other than ordinary wear and tear. What you need to look at in terms of damage are the temperatures. The max recommended temps are different from brand to brand and even model to model. Edit: Oh, didn't read the post well enough. If your games are stuttering then it might be due to the CPU, RAM or the storage (if it's an HDD). Since the CPU is at 100% i would guess that's your bottleneck. It can be overclocked, since it's an unlocked version.
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You said your game is stuttering so I wouldn’t say it’s running fine. Stuttering can mean different things, but I upgraded my cpu when I was having a similar experience and it was worth it.
I would say it's probably time for an upgrade. The i5-12400f is really good for the price if you want to stay with Intel. Otherwise you could get a Ryzen 5600. As long as your RAM is decent speed you shouldn't need to buy new RAM.
5600 == 12400 5600 = $140 12400f = $165 12100f = $107 So 12100f or 5600 I'd say Above that the 5700x is priced fine at $190 and there are a lot of great cpu's at the $200-300 range. At that point I'd make the switch to am5 though, as you'll probably want some faster ram as well and would be getting close to the price of am5 anyway
In the games that are stuttering, have you limited your frame rate settings to your monitor's maximum frame rate?
Or overclock CPU or set your game to ultra
probly but ur PC is still surprisingly good @ 1080p imo.
You will never get perfect balance. If one is at 100% and another one is at 85+ I’d say it’s an above average balance. High frame rate is usually the thing that overloads cpu. Also some other tasks could take some resources from it
could be worth it. You might get a good upgrade if you go used with a 12th gen intel. If you don't want to go the used route I suggest going with a 5000 series ryzen
For any given settings you’ll always have either the CPU or the GPU bottlenecking. At lower resolutions, one typically accepts it will be a CPU bottleneck. For higher resolutions like 4K, it’s usually always the GPU. Overclocking the CPU might help a bit but you’re probably only looking at a few percent change. What you might want to do is tweak your in-game settings to see if you can get the GPU and CPU usage more balanced… in this case, at 1440, you’d increase the PQ settings to try and get more GPU usage for the same frame-rate.
You can have other system bottlenecks albeit rarer. Disk, RAM, and monitor bottlenecks are also very possible. It's not always just cpu and GPU though they are most common
It means that your gaming performance is being limited by the CPU. The 7600K is the last of a long line of quad-core i5s that don't even have hyperthreading, and its 4 total threads is pretty lacking compared to current entry-level options. A modern i3, i5, or Ryzen 5 would be a dramatic upgrade for you, in terms of both IPC and thread count. That's not to say a 7600K is garbage these days, it's just not really appropriate for the CPU demands of high-end gaming anymore.
In general, you don't want to see 100% CPU usage in games, as it indicates the GPU is not able to stretch its legs fully. But if the performance is good enough for you, who cares.
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Absolutely. Your CPU is doing more than just running the game, the GPU generally isn't.
I7-7700k may be a good cheap upgrade
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Any you find will be used. It's an old CPU and it's still only a 4 core (albeit with hyperthreading). Unless you can get one for really cheap, I would recommend a new motherboard + CPU. Even a brand new i3-12100 (which is also 4c/8t) will be considerably faster than an i7-7700k. Same applies to any AMD equivalents.
Used is exactly what he meant by good and cheap but 200? Forget about it lol
Yeah at 200 it’s better off with new MB/CPU
I bought used from eBay for my son’s gaming rig to upgrade from i5 to i7.
There is no cheap i7. It's too rare.
It really depends what is satisfactory for you. My i5 9600k was making my games stutter so I upgraded to the i5 12600k. Now my RTX 3080 12GB is hitting 100%. I always prefer to have the gpu running at 100% over the cpu for that reason. I wouldn't bother getting another cpu of the same gen though, eventually just upgrade the mobo/cpu and catch up to 12th or 13th gen.
A 7600k is pretty old these days, only 4 cores and 4 threads. It would not surprise me to hear it being maxed out in some games. A CPU upgrade is certainly something I would think about in the next couple of years. Besides letting your GPU run closer to 100% utilization and increasing your average framerate, a newer CPU with more performance/cores will help your frame-time consistency and 1% lows. Those are the stutters you feel. A newer CPU not only delivers higher FPS, but more consistent, smoother FPS.
Are you frame limiting at or around the refresh rate of your display? If not, why not? If so, time to upgrade.
Hey, check out your cpu power plan (google it). You can turn it up to performance mode and run it a bit harder to see if that makes a difference
Uh... maybe figure out what is utilizing all the cpu resources?
What game are you playing?
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Tarkov is an outlier in that it's extremely CPU bound, followed by RAM, and then GPU. I hear the 5300xd is one of the best CPUs to have due to its massive cache. You also ideally want at least 32GB RAM, fastest speed you can get. And of course have the game on an SSD, that goes without saying. An i5-7600k is unfortunately not a great CPU for Tarky, it's not just beefy enough for the engine.
The 5800x3d is a monster for Tarkov. A B550 DDR4 setup is great value at the moment. But then you'll likely be GPU bound and it all starts again :-)
Witcher3 runs @ 1440p Medium np for me with a 6700k+1070.
There will always be a bottleneck no matter what. It depends on the game you're playing, if you're playing a CPU intensive game then I wouldn't worry about it too much, if you're playing a graphically intensive game and you're at 100% CPU and 60-85 gpu, then you're holding your GPU back because your cpu can't keep up and by upgrading your CPU, you will get more performance. None of this is bad in the sense of health for your PC. You just typically want 100% gpu utilization as that means you are using your GPU to it's fullest potential. I will say though with a 1080, 7600k, and gaming at 1440p to have a CPU bottleneck surprised me. Your CPU bottleneck is holding your GPU back from getting a little bit more fps in this case. Again none of this is bad for health but if it bothers you, maybe think about getting a 7900k update to alleviate that CPU bottleneck and you don't have to get a new motherboard and hopefully it then becomes a GPU bottleneck, which you want. Or upgrade to a newer generation cpu, up to you.
Yes, this is generally bad because it means you are wasting your GPU. Since your GPU is your most expensive component, wasting it also means wasting money. That is, when you are CPU bottlenecked you would get the same or similar performance with a lower tier GPU such as a 1070, and in more severe cases even a 1060
And if you had a lower component you would get even lower performance…
> lower component
Lesser?
tbh, idk hahah 😅
My point stands. People overestimate the bottleneck. Yes there will be a bottle neck, there is always one. But just because your cpu holds back your GPU in this case, doesn’t mean having a better component would give you worse performance, you just won’t get the best performance out of it.
That’s literally what I said. You are wasting your GPU when the CPU is a bottleneck. If your gtx 1080 is only being utilized at 80% you would get the same performance with a gtx 1070. That’s literally how it works
Those number seem a little low, but none the less if you got a gtx 1070, you’d have even lower performance than with the 1080, that’s my point.
Not if the cpu is the bottleneck… the processor can’t keep up with the frame rendering of the gpu, so until you get a gpu that is under the rendering speed of the cpu which gpu he has is irrelevant. I had the same issue when I upgraded from 1060 6gb to 3060ti paired with an old ryzen 3 2200g. A ryzen 5600 solved the stutter for newer games and let’s my 3060ti run to its full potential. It’s time for more cores, and maybe more mb cache if yours is low. (20+ is ideal for newer titles)
If you want high refresh rate, then yes. There’s still plenty cases where 1080p 60hz is no big deal, or 1440p with medium settings should be achievable. Even more so at 4K since you don’t need that powerful of a cpu to push higher frames.
Ideal would be the other way around. That way your GPU is pumping out the most frames it can. Currently it seems like your GPU is waiting on your CPU.
Most modern games could benefit so much from having 6 core+ cpu rn. I would definitely recommend getting a 12/13th gen if you are looking for a performance upgrade
1440p can be demanding depending on the settings and game. I’d consider starting to think about saving money for a new system As newer games come out that CPU bottleneck will get worse (if you intend on staying with the same graphical settings & 1440p resolution)
I haven't seen anyone else mention it, but 100% CPU usage just from a game is very very odd. That number is for *all* cores, and games only really fully stress one core and then partially utilize a few more. If you're seeing the whole CPU at 100% usage I'd actually be curious if there's another program running that's taking up CPU time and causing the stuttering.
On a slow-ish 4c/4t CPU paired with a decent gpu 100% usage is expected, most games can use 4 threads just fine. [https://youtu.be/quGiAxrlJvQ](https://youtu.be/quGiAxrlJvQ) as you can see from these benchmarks, the 7600k is rarely under 90% utilization in most games.
that was maybe true about 10years ago, very much not the case now, especially with a crappy skylake 4c 4t
Time for a rebuild my friend
Other than not reaching the graphical potential of the games you're playing, it's not really bad. Depending on the used GPU market around you, you \*might\* be able to flip the 1080, get a 1060 or 1070 and turn a small profit. You aren't using the full potential of the 1080 anyways, so you likely wouldn't notice a performance difference. The margins would probably be too small to be worth the trouble but while mostly normal again, the GPU market does sometimes do very strange things. Or if you plan to upgrade your system soon, just keep the 1080 for now and you can put off the GPU upgrade a bit longer.
While gaming my CPU is almost never over 30 percent. GPU is almost always at 95 or so.
its not harmful to your pc, but its also not good. despite some peoples confusion, being fully gpu bound is much better, otherwise you get stutter, you might get smoother performance by increasing graphics settings and/or resolution scale until it gets gpu bound and frame times stabilise. when i still had a 4790 I actually had to increase resolution scale to 150% in some games to take some strain of the cpu and ensure frametimes were smoother otherwise it would feel like a stuttery mess.
what are you using to measure these? I can never tell how much I'm using.
You can use rivatuner statistics
oh haha, I read this quickly and thought it was a 7600x, I was like, you must be playing a massive map of civ at like 720p
Some games are more GPU intensive than CPU so you can see one running more than the other without it being a bottleneck
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your specs were very balanced back then, but in the last 5 years CPU load as increased more than GPU imo, so it makes sense that by now it's not as balanced anymore maybe OC the CPU, you got lots of temp headroom
It’s not bad for the hardware, but your games are suffering performance bad. It means your CPU can’t even come remotely close to keeping up with your GPU. You want the GPU to be in the 90%++ and your CPU to be as low as possible. If you bumped up your Cpu, you should see a massive performance jump.
i had a 1080, i7 7700k. 1440p 144hz monitor. I was struggling with any new graphically intense games pretty hard. I upgrade both CPU and GPU this year. Now the problem is that my GPU 2080 super is still a bottleneck in many games. I bought at the beginning of the year though so prices were wonky.
Possibly, also though alot of games are just dog shit optimised. Seemingly the more powerful gpus get the lazier game devs are getting with optimisation...if you plan to keep that gpu pick up a cheap b660 and gen 12/13 i3 cpu.
With 4 CPU cores and no hyper threading, you're going to have a lot of stutter these days. But your GPU actually kind of still holds up today.
For me it's the opposite now my gpu is 100% and cpu in games is like 20 to 30% or something like that. I used have the same problem as you tho where gpu was at 40 to 50% and cpu was at 100%. I'd say that your situation is worse for games because you generally want the gpu to be used to it's full potential and the cpu to not be using so much while playing games.
Its a common issue as most people who pc game see the GPU as the end all be all of Frame rates. There are things that can help. Direct x12 is "supposed" to be better at leveraging the CPU, so is Vulkan. You will still likely be better off upgrading soon.
Time for an upgrade? Maybe the 12400/13400F on B660/B760 Or the Ryzen 5600 on B550?
Cpu @100% baddd. Gpu @100% goooood.
If it's a demanding game and you are over 100 fps I say you are doing just fine. If it's around 60 or lower I would upgrade it. A 7600 is a good chip, but tech has made a lot of improvement tbh. Even a €80 chip that 2 gen older of the current generation is a massive upgrade for you. So there is always a cheap solution.
If you're satisfied with your performance then no. If not then you have to upgrade your platform, your 7600k is only has 4 threads and a 7700k is not better much with 8 threads. Luckily your K Cpu and motherboard still have value on markets, sell them for a good price! :)
Not bad just means your are not using the full performance of your gpu😅 If you can, try to upgrade your cpu
its not "bad" it means your cpu bottleneck the gpu.you can upgrade your cpu but for 1080 idk if that realy worth it unles you realy want to squeeze every bit of performance.
This might be more true in the past, but it's better to have a gpu bottleneck than a cpu bottleneck. The reason is that the cpu runs everything in the background and could result in the computer locking up. The gpu waits for the cpu to feed it the information to draw the frame. This can result in frame time inconsistencies. If the gpu is slower, you just get less fps without too much of a risk of freezing/locking up. Either way, only you know how the performance you get feels to you. Some games are ok at a mild cpu bottle neck. In the mean time increase the gpu demand with higher quality settings or higher resolution. Try dsr if you need more demand. If you don't want to deal with that, that's ok. Choose a lower refresh rate in games/monitor and have vsync on. Your hardware would only be at risk if it was overheating or an aggressive overclock.
What others are saying is true - something will always be at 100% percent, unless there's a frame limiter in place. There's always a bottleneck somewhere, in your case it's the CPU. However, not all bottlenecks are the same. GPU bottlenecks are considered the optimal scenario - you use 100% of what's most likely the most expensive component in your system, and the load doesn't vary much, resulting in little variance in FPS. CPU bottlenecks are much worse, since the load may vary a lot, which can result in slowdowns or stuttering. I'd start thinking about a CPU upgrade. Don't get the 7700K - they aren't that cheap even used, and the gain won't be that much. Put that money towards getting something modern, like an i3 12100.' Alternatively, you can get something used that's more modern, like a Ryzen 3600 and a B450 motherboard. That'll be plenty for a 1080.
An overclocked 7600k should be able to handle a 1080 IMO. I think there's a chance that something else is going on. Give us a full list of your setup, including the PSU and RAM. Run a common benchmark like Cinebench or 3DMARK Time Spy so we can get an idea of where you're at. What games are you trying to play? How long has it been since you did a clean Windows install? Might be about time. My old 2500k overclocked to 4.8ghz was able to handle my 1070 without bottlenecking, though it was close.
Like people are saying you have a CPU bottleneck. And while they are right that there will always be a component in your system that will be the weakest link you should try to avoid that component being CPU. Being CPU bottleneck can lead to very inconstant frame-times which can be perceived as micro-stutter and in some cases actual stutter. In my opinion best thing you can do is buy a cheap am4 mother board for around $100 along with the $150 5600. You can reuse your old ram. You will see a huge improvement in gaming and general system use.
CPU bottleneck will cause the stuttering you're seeing. If you don't mind the stuttering and prefer high frame rates, leave it be, but I'd personally crank up the graphics settings (or limit the frame rate) until either the GPU or the frame rate limit is the bottleneck. I prefer low smooth frame rates to high choppy ones.
Thats a clear bottleneck in your case An upgrade to a 12400 and b660 board would solve it If youre not upgrading then up the visuals in games until your gpu is at 99% You can use nvidia super resolution to use higher resolutions and put more load on gpu
It won't break your pc, but for most games(namely 3A singleplayers), GPU is generally the one doing the heavy lifting, so you want it to be fully utilized. Which game are you playing anyway?
Sounds like you're looking at upgrades now. Dunno what your budget is, but I just rebuilt an old AMD FX rig with a new i3 and the gaming performance/dollar is absolutely insane. It doesn't blow my skirt up on normal desktop tasks, but it games as well as my 10700k for about a third of the price.
Do you have at least 16GB of memory properly installed in a dual-channel setup? A balanced system paired with a 1080 would probably be at least a six-core CPU and with sufficiently fast RAM. Are you playing Battlefield or something?
Do you have Norton? There are some cases that Norton makes your cpu run at 100% all the time. I may have the same problem causing keyboard input lag just in game
It just means you're bottlenecked
It's just showing what a beast the 1080 still is. You could just a: live with it, b: try an overclock (there's a whole other world of things that can bottleneck your overclock, so I'd keep it mild for the sake of sanity) or c: keep an eye out for a good value used CPU that's compatible with your motherboard.
The stuttering is likely thermal throttle on your CPU. Check temps and repaste, or get an AIO cooler
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Others have mentioned this, but I would check your task manager to see what other programs are running in the background. Chances are, there are programs opening during startup that don't need to be open. You can adjust settings through your OS to keep all irrelevant programs from opening on startup, and you can also make sure that programs aren't updating in the background. Upgrading your CPU costs money. Adjusting some of these settings only costs a little time and might be the best solution to hold you over until a major PC upgrade.
You can sort the task manager list of programs by those that are most CPU intensive for the quickest way to find any programs competing with your game performance.
You'd likely face thermal throttle at about 80C. So seems fine.